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| Started by | Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> |
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| First post | 2025-04-01 12:19 -0700 |
| Last post | 2025-04-06 13:29 +0200 |
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RCS messaging Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-01 12:19 -0700
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-01 20:37 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-01 14:33 -0700
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-01 22:49 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-02 11:23 -0700
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-02 19:43 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-02 19:17 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:44 +0000
Re: RCS messaging "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-04-02 22:54 -0400
Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-03 06:13 +0000
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 03:16 -0400
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:11 -0400
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:19 -0400
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:49 -0400
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 13:02 +0200
Re: RCS messaging sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-04-02 20:52 -0700
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-03 08:37 +0200
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:26 -0400
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-03 12:31 +0200
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:45 -0400
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 13:10 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-03 12:00 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-03 15:12 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-03 14:20 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-03 18:08 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 20:57 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-04 10:21 +0100
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 13:00 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-04 16:13 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 19:12 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-04 23:22 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-04 01:20 +0000
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 13:00 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-04 12:00 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-04 13:20 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-04 13:12 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-04 16:17 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-04 20:01 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-04 09:52 +0200
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 07:20 -0400
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-03 15:13 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 13:26 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-03 15:14 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 20:58 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-03 22:18 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 22:22 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 13:22 +0200
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 08:55 -0400
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-03 12:00 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-03 13:12 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-03 12:26 +0000
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 14:35 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-03 13:47 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-03 13:05 +0000
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 15:27 +0200
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 09:03 -0400
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-03 15:47 +0000
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 21:01 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-04 12:02 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-03 09:11 +0100
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 13:34 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-03 12:38 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-03 13:05 +0100
Re: RCS messaging micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-04-03 06:32 -0400
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-03 12:58 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-01 23:32 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-01 23:36 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-18 11:48 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-18 13:37 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-19 09:38 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-22 03:34 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-02 09:32 +0100
Re: RCS messaging sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-04-05 10:49 -0700
Re: RCS messaging "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-05 20:56 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2025-04-05 21:41 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-05 23:08 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-06 18:33 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-07 18:36 +0100
Re: RCS messaging Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:47 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-06 08:56 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-06 09:39 +0200
Re: RCS messaging extra extra <extraextra@mailbox.org> - 2025-04-14 23:11 +0000
Re: RCS messaging Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-04-15 08:43 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-04 09:02 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-04 13:02 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-06 13:26 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-06 13:28 +0200
Re: RCS messaging "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:47 +0200
Re: RCS messaging Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-04 09:08 -0700
Re: RCS messaging Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-06 13:29 +0200
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 15:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vsm1hb$nm3q$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #147552 |
On 03.04.25 13:20, micky wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 12:31:44 +0200, Jörg Lorenz > <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > >> MMS is turned off >> in a majority of countries in the world for years. > > I'll give you another example of technology that most of the world has > abandoned, when they should not have. > > And that is Usenet. Bullshit. The market decides what is needed. -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 13:26 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <cr72clxlup.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147544 |
On 2025-04-03 12:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > This crap is super-old-style and in no way advanced. MMS is turned off > in a majority of countries in the world for years. This crap never > gained traction outside the US. And this is 20 years back. I asked chatgpt. Is it true that MMS service has been disabled in most countries? Yes, it's true that MMS (Multimedia Messaging Service) has been gradually disabled or limited in some countries, particularly in regions where newer technologies and messaging apps have become more widely adopted. While MMS was once popular for sending images, videos, and audio via mobile networks, many users now rely on internet-based services like WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, and other messaging apps. These apps often offer better quality and more features, which has led to a decline in MMS usage. Some mobile carriers in certain countries have either reduced support for MMS or completely phased it out, especially with the rise of 4G, 5G, and Wi-Fi-based communication methods. However, in many regions, MMS is still available but may be less commonly used. In short, while MMS isn't entirely gone, its use has dropped significantly in many places due to the popularity of internet-based alternatives. So, not the majority of countries. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 15:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vsm1k8$nm3q$3@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #147554 |
On 03.04.25 13:26, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-04-03 12:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >> This crap is super-old-style and in no way advanced. MMS is turned off >> in a majority of countries in the world for years. This crap never >> gained traction outside the US. And this is 20 years back. > > I asked chatgpt. > > Is it true that MMS service has been disabled in most countries? Stop this ridiculous use of AI which you are not able to put into perspective. You are like a little kid. -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 20:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jc23clxirc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147579 |
On 2025-04-03 15:14, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > On 03.04.25 13:26, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-04-03 12:31, Jörg Lorenz wrote: >>> This crap is super-old-style and in no way advanced. MMS is turned off >>> in a majority of countries in the world for years. This crap never >>> gained traction outside the US. And this is 20 years back. >> >> I asked chatgpt. >> >> Is it true that MMS service has been disabled in most countries? > > Stop this ridiculous use of AI which you are not able to put into > perspective. You are like a little kid. LOL. Then you provide reliable sources that backup your ridiculous claims. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 22:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vsmqfc$o5t6$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #147593 |
On 03.04.25 20:58, Carlos E.R. wrote: > provide reliable sources ChatGPT is certainly not a reliable source. -- "Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 22:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7973clxsr9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147594 |
On 2025-04-03 22:18, Jörg Lorenz wrote: > On 03.04.25 20:58, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> provide reliable sources > > ChatGPT is certainly not a reliable source. > Then you provide reliable sources. YOU claim that RCS is minor. I provided links in the past proving my point, without AI. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 13:22 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mk72clxlup.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147543 |
On 2025-04-03 12:26, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 08:37:04 +0200, Jörg Lorenz
> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 03.04.25 05:52, sms wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2025 11:23 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> You do know that pretty much every carrier maintains a way to send an
>>>> email to a particular phone number?(*) It's not just Verizon. (I
>>>> have Visible, but the email-to-phone thing is the same because
>>>> Visible uses its corporate parent Verizon's network.)
>>>
>>> The e-mail to SMS and e-mail to MMS gateways are very useful. I didn't
>>> think that there would be an e-mail to RCS gateway.
>>
>> Is it really? In other parts of the world where mobile communication is
>> more advanced than in the US such a service is completely unknown
>
> Then in this regard, the communication outside the US and Canada (and
> the rest of Latin America, I suspect) is less advanced.
>
>> and I
>> cannot see how that could be useful.
>
> Let's say you are using your computer and you want to send a message to
> a cellphone.
You can't, not here. Maybe you can find a gateway, but they may require
payment, or at least registration. So there are privacy issues.
I asked google, in Spanish, and got an answer, which I translated:
Send text messages
1 On a computer, go to voice.google.com.
2 Open the Messages tab.
3 At the top, click Send a message.
4 Enter a contact's name or phone number. ...
5 At the bottom, type your message and click Send .
https://support.google.com/voice/answer/115116?hl=es&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop
The full text of the site says it is USA only.
Another answer says to use WhatsAPP or iMessages on the computer. You
need a phone for that to work. I think there is another web interface
for google messages.
Another answer says using mysms, which connects to your phone.
Here
<https://www.cloudtalk.io/es/blog/8-formas-sencillas-de-enviar-mensajes-de-texto-del-ordenador-al-movil/>
they list 8 ways, and some of them are using web sites that offer the
service. But the information is not correct for my country.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 08:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <o01tuj195h7pb5f9s0l5i2g2b4fq31ma42@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #147553 |
In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 13:22:30 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >On 2025-04-03 12:26, micky wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 08:37:04 +0200, Jörg Lorenz >> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >> >>> On 03.04.25 05:52, sms wrote: >>>> On 4/2/2025 11:23 AM, Stan Brown wrote: >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>>> You do know that pretty much every carrier maintains a way to send an >>>>> email to a particular phone number?(*) It's not just Verizon. (I >>>>> have Visible, but the email-to-phone thing is the same because >>>>> Visible uses its corporate parent Verizon's network.) >>>> >>>> The e-mail to SMS and e-mail to MMS gateways are very useful. I didn't >>>> think that there would be an e-mail to RCS gateway. >>> >>> Is it really? In other parts of the world where mobile communication is >>> more advanced than in the US such a service is completely unknown >> >> Then in this regard, the communication outside the US and Canada (and >> the rest of Latin America, I suspect) is less advanced. >> >>> and I >>> cannot see how that could be useful. >> >> Let's say you are using your computer and you want to send a message to >> a cellphone. > >You can't, not here. Maybe you can find a gateway, but they may require >payment, or at least registration. So there are privacy issues. > >I asked google, in Spanish, and got an answer, which I translated: > >Send text messages > > 1 On a computer, go to voice.google.com. > 2 Open the Messages tab. > 3 At the top, click Send a message. > 4 Enter a contact's name or phone number. ... > 5 At the bottom, type your message and click Send . It looks like this owuld work but it says, To call and text get a Google Voice number. I know they're free, I think, and i've thought it would useful, but I don't have one and so far I haven't needed it. >https://support.google.com/voice/answer/115116?hl=es&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop > >The full text of the site says it is USA only. > > >Another answer says to use WhatsAPP or iMessages on the computer. You I put whatsapp on my PC taskbar, but so far havent' used it. Aha, it's still there. There are only two people I'want to email a text to, and I see no need to change, but if I were someplace where email to text didn't work, your ideas are very good. >need a phone for that to work. Not for whatsapp. I don't remember where I dl'd it but I think it's there. ;-) > I think there is another web interface >for google messages. > >Another answer says using mysms, which connects to your phone. > >Here ><https://www.cloudtalk.io/es/blog/8-formas-sencillas-de-enviar-mensajes-de-texto-del-ordenador-al-movil/> >they list 8 ways, and some of them are using web sites that offer the >service. But the information is not correct for my country.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 12:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsm4a5.mpc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147543 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: > In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 08:37:04 +0200, Jörg Lorenz > <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: > > >On 03.04.25 05:52, sms wrote: [...] > >> The e-mail to SMS and e-mail to MMS gateways are very useful. I didn't > >> think that there would be an e-mail to RCS gateway. > > > >Is it really? In other parts of the world where mobile communication is > >more advanced than in the US such a service is completely unknown > > Then in this regard, the communication outside the US and Canada (and > the rest of Latin America, I suspect) is less advanced. As said many times before, in the rest of the world, it's not needed, because better methods - Instant Messaging (WhatsApp, Signal, etc.) have been available for a long time. Because - for some weird 'reason' - IM has not been widely adapted in the US - at least not on Android -, USAsians still settle for the old SMS/MMS method. So the US is indeed less advanced, and by their own choice. > > and I > >cannot see how that could be useful. > > Let's say you are using your computer and you want to send a message to > a cellphone. Just use Skype ... Oops! :-) Or the Windows 'My Phone' app or any of the multitude of control-your-phone-from-your-computer solutions. As I use WhatsApp - yes, also on my computer - and have absolutely no need to *send* SMS messages, I don't need that stuff.
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| From | Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 13:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <867c41igv9.fsf@example.com> |
| In reply to | #147558 |
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes: > micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 3 Apr 2025 08:37:04 +0200, Jörg Lorenz >> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote: >> >> >On 03.04.25 05:52, sms wrote: > [...] >> >> The e-mail to SMS and e-mail to MMS gateways are very useful. I didn't >> >> think that there would be an e-mail to RCS gateway. >> > >> >Is it really? In other parts of the world where mobile communication is >> >more advanced than in the US such a service is completely unknown >> >> Then in this regard, the communication outside the US and Canada (and >> the rest of Latin America, I suspect) is less advanced. > > As said many times before, in the rest of the world, it's not needed, > because better methods - Instant Messaging (WhatsApp, Signal, etc.) have > been available for a long time. > > Because - for some weird 'reason' - IM has not been widely adapted in > the US - at least not on Android -, USAsians still settle for the old > SMS/MMS method. So the US is indeed less advanced, and by their own > choice. > >> > and I >> >cannot see how that could be useful. >> >> Let's say you are using your computer and you want to send a message to >> a cellphone. > > Just use Skype ... Oops! :-) Or the Windows 'My Phone' app or any of > the multitude of control-your-phone-from-your-computer solutions. > > As I use WhatsApp - yes, also on my computer - and have absolutely no > need to *send* SMS messages, I don't need that stuff. Reading the click send website suggests the point is reach: === Some benefits of sending email to SMS include: • Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message will be seen. • Have your message read faster, with a much faster open rate than email. • All your email and SMS communication in the one place. === You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 12:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsm5q1.u8k.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147561 |
Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes: [...] > > As I use WhatsApp - yes, also on my computer - and have absolutely no > > need to *send* SMS messages, I don't need that stuff. > > Reading the click send website suggests the point is reach: Yes, that's a valid point, SMS as a *fallback*. As another poster (Andy?) said, we don't want SMS to go away, because it's heavily used to *receive* messages (2SV and informational). > === > > Some benefits of sending email to SMS include: > > ? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message > will be seen. > > ? Have your message read faster, with a much faster open rate than > email. > > ? All your email and SMS communication in the one place. > > === > > You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it. When I would try to reach you (assuming I know your mobile number), WhatsApp would tell me you don't have WhatsApp, so I would use SMS. No problem! :-) Bottom line: SMS (sending) is the exception, not the rule.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 14:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2ub2clx7i7.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147567 |
On 2025-04-03 14:26, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: >> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes: > [...] >> You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it. > > When I would try to reach you (assuming I know your mobile number), > WhatsApp would tell me you don't have WhatsApp, so I would use SMS. No > problem! :-) > > Bottom line: SMS (sending) is the exception, not the rule. In Europe. In NA (USA and Canada) it is the reverse. The reason is historical: SMS require payment in Europe, not over there. Currently that reason doesn't hold much, because many phone plans include things like a thousand sms for free, or unlimited. Not everybody, though. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 13:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m57eb6Fa4g6U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147571 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > The reason is historical: SMS require payment in Europe, not over there. > > Currently that reason doesn't hold much, because many phone plans > include things like a thousand sms for free, or unlimited. Not > everybody, though. Even the cheapest SIM deals (under £3/month) nw include unlimited texts, but notionally it's still sender-pays. Are there any USA SIMs where it's not charged per text to receive? Or do they have deals like the first 1,000 messages sent to you each month are free?
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 13:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsm844.45g.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147572 |
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > > > The reason is historical: SMS require payment in Europe, not over there. > > > > Currently that reason doesn't hold much, because many phone plans > > include things like a thousand sms for free, or unlimited. Not > > everybody, though. > > Even the cheapest SIM deals (under £3/month) nw include unlimited texts, > but notionally it's still sender-pays. My 30cents/*year* SIM deal [1] doesn't include any 'texts'! Wonder why *that* is!? :-) [...] [1] Vodafone Pre-Paid PAYG
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 15:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <2ve2clx2il.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147572 |
On 2025-04-03 14:47, Andy Burns wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> The reason is historical: SMS require payment in Europe, not over there. >> >> Currently that reason doesn't hold much, because many phone plans >> include things like a thousand sms for free, or unlimited. Not >> everybody, though. > > Even the cheapest SIM deals (under £3/month) nw include unlimited texts, > but notionally it's still sender-pays. I pay 30 cents/sms on my second phone: - Unlimited data with 5 GB ultrafast. - Calls at 0 cts/min with call establishment at 55 cts. - SMS at 30 cts. - Roaming in Europe with a limit of 8 GB/month. You will be able to surf, call and send SMS if you travel to the EU, UK, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein, with the same conditions as in Spain. I use this phone only to receive redirected calls from the landline. On the first phone: Línea Móvil Fusión Inicia - Unlimited data with 100 GB ultrafast - Unlimited calls - Unlimited SMS - Roaming in Europe with a limit of 50 GB/month. You will be able to surf, call and send SMS if you travel to the EU, UK, Norway, Iceland or Liechtenstein, with the same conditions as in Spain. > Are there any USA SIMs where it's not charged per text to receive? Or do > they have deals like the first 1,000 messages sent to you each month are > free? When I travelled there, my prepaid t-mobile sim did not charge for anything. It just refused whatever service was not included. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 09:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1f1tuj5b8nlu911i5aj8qorqo337d1sjqf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #147567 |
In comp.mobile.android, on 3 Apr 2025 12:26:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: >> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> writes: >[...] >> > As I use WhatsApp - yes, also on my computer - and have absolutely no >> > need to *send* SMS messages, I don't need that stuff. >> >> Reading the click send website suggests the point is reach: > > Yes, that's a valid point, SMS as a *fallback*. As another poster >(Andy?) said, we don't want SMS to go away, because it's heavily used to >*receive* messages (2SV and informational). > >> === >> >> Some benefits of sending email to SMS include: >> >> ? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message >> will be seen. yes, I sometimes get something on Whatsapp and don't know I've gotten it for days or longer, even when I've had the phone on. >> ? Have your message read faster, with a much faster open rate than >> email. Yes, the golden age of email seems to have ended, almost as soon as it began. >> ? All your email and SMS communication in the one place. Yes, that's important. When I have to write someone using a webform, I usually copy what I write and put it in my email program, with a note abo ut what url I used to send it, because I want all my communication in one place. >> >> === >> >> You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it. > > When I would try to reach you (assuming I know your mobile number), >WhatsApp would tell me you don't have WhatsApp, so I would use SMS. No >problem! :-) When I was trrying to whatsapp someone who didn't have whatsapp, the only indication was that in my contact list, it didn't have a whatsapp entry, but at the time, I didn't know if that meant anything or not. I don't know how those entries get there. Certainly nothing "told me" that he didn't have whatsapp. Maybe I'd be quicker with a second person but it took me quite a while to give up on this guy, and call him on the phone, but I coudlnt'make a video call from Guatemala. > Bottom line: SMS (sending) is the exception, not the rule.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 15:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsmhid.46s.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147574 |
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on 3 Apr 2025 12:26:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
[...]
> >> Some benefits of sending email to SMS include:
> >>
> >> ? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message
> >> will be seen.
>
> yes, I sometimes get something on Whatsapp and don't know I've gotten it
> for days or longer, even when I've had the phone on.
If you get a WhatsApp message, you should get a 'ringtone' and a
notification in the notification area of your phone, i.e. similar to
what you would get for a SMS/'text' message. So if you don't get these
for WhatsApp messages, you have disabled/silenced these notifications in
some way.
[...]
> >> You might have trouble sending Whatsapps to me, as I am not on it.
> >
> > When I would try to reach you (assuming I know your mobile number),
> >WhatsApp would tell me you don't have WhatsApp, so I would use SMS. No
> >problem! :-)
>
> When I was trrying to whatsapp someone who didn't have whatsapp, the
> only indication was that in my contact list, it didn't have a whatsapp
> entry, but at the time, I didn't know if that meant anything or not. I
> don't know how those entries get there. Certainly nothing "told me"
> that he didn't have whatsapp.
I said "When I would try to reach you ... WhatsApp would tell me you
don't have WhatsApp", so you get this notification when you actually
*try*, obviously not before.
It happens when you try to add a new 'Chat' ('+' icon on white and
green background). Because it's a new contact (for WhatsApp), you go to
'New contact' (in *WhatsApp*, *not* in the Contacts app). As soon as you
enter the phone number of the intended contact, WhatsApp will say "This
person is not on WhatsApp". So you either do a 'Invite to WhatsApp' or
in this/Richmond's case, use SMS instead.
Elementary, dear Watson!
[...]
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 21:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ug23clxirc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147584 |
On 2025-04-03 17:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: > micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote: >> In comp.mobile.android, on 3 Apr 2025 12:26:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote: > [...] >>>> Some benefits of sending email to SMS include: >>>> >>>> ? Better reach: thanks to a 98% open rate, you know that your message >>>> will be seen. >> >> yes, I sometimes get something on Whatsapp and don't know I've gotten it >> for days or longer, even when I've had the phone on. > > If you get a WhatsApp message, you should get a 'ringtone' and a > notification in the notification area of your phone, i.e. similar to > what you would get for a SMS/'text' message. So if you don't get these > for WhatsApp messages, you have disabled/silenced these notifications in > some way. When I send messages to my relatives across the pond on WhatsApp, some times weeks can pass before they notice. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 12:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsooof.1018.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147592 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-04-03 17:47, Frank Slootweg wrote: [...] > > If you get a WhatsApp message, you should get a 'ringtone' and a > > notification in the notification area of your phone, i.e. similar to > > what you would get for a SMS/'text' message. So if you don't get these > > for WhatsApp messages, you have disabled/silenced these notifications in > > some way. > > When I send messages to my relatives across the pond on WhatsApp, some > times weeks can pass before they notice. Yes, I have friends/relatives like that as well! :-)
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 09:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m56u59F86hbU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147527 |
sms wrote: > The e-mail to SMS and e-mail to MMS gateways are very useful. Yes, if they still existed here, I could see me using them to send alerts from scripts etc.
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