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  Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-26 20:13 -0700
    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-26 23:56 -0400
      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-29 21:16 +0000
        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 01:44 +0000
    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 03:56 +0000
      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 04:04 +0000
        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-27 08:09 -0700
          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-27 11:33 -0400
            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 16:12 +0000
              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-27 11:03 -0700
                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-27 14:19 -0400
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 19:24 +0000
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-27 13:24 -0700
                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-27 16:34 -0400
                        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 22:24 +0000
            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2018-08-27 22:03 +0100
              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-27 14:10 -0700
                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-27 14:27 -0700
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-27 17:53 -0400
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 22:24 +0000
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2018-08-27 17:33 -0500
                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 23:02 +0000
                        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-27 19:19 -0400
                          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-28 23:16 +0000
                        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2018-08-27 19:46 -0500
                          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-28 23:16 +0000
                            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) joe <none@domain.invalid> - 2018-08-28 18:56 -0500
                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 00:38 +0000
                            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-29 21:32 +0000
                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 22:11 +0000
                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2018-09-03 16:13 +0000
                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-29 16:06 -0700
                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-29 23:06 -0400
                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 01:52 +0000
                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 02:02 +0000
                                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-29 23:06 -0400
                                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 04:41 +0000
                                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 00:55 -0400
                                        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 12:22 +0000
                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-27 19:19 -0400
                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2018-08-27 22:52 +0100
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-27 15:00 -0700
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 22:24 +0000
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-28 07:18 -0700
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-28 23:16 +0000
                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-28 20:34 -0700
                        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 12:56 +0000
                          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 13:30 +0000
                            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-29 08:29 -0700
                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-29 11:41 -0400
                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 16:04 +0000
                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 16:16 +0000
                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 16:05 +0000
                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-29 10:45 -0700
                                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-29 14:09 -0400
                                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-08-29 18:52 +0000
                                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 22:01 +0000
                                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 22:01 +0000
                                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 23:02 +0000
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-09-03 04:01 +0000
              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 12:49 +0000
                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 09:36 -0400
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:53 +0000
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-30 22:57 -0400
                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 12:45 +0000
          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 16:12 +0000
            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-27 10:52 -0700
              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-27 13:59 -0400
                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 22:08 +0000
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-29 15:13 -0700
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-29 22:58 +0000
                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-29 19:32 -0700
                        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 02:48 +0000
                          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-29 20:02 -0700
                            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 04:15 +0000
                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-29 21:26 -0700
                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 04:43 +0000
                                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-29 21:54 -0700
                                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 12:22 +0000
                                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-30 08:44 -0700
                                        Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) BK@Onramp.net - 2018-08-30 11:03 -0500
                                          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-30 09:09 -0700
                                            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) BK@Onramp.net - 2018-08-30 12:47 -0500
                                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:59 +0000
                                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-30 19:10 -0700
                                          Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 01:55 +0000
                                            Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-30 19:08 -0700
                                              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-31 02:46 +0000
                                                Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-08-30 20:11 -0700
                  Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-29 18:18 -0700
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 02:29 +0000
                    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-29 23:06 -0400
                      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-30 04:15 +0000
              Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) Arlen Holder <arlenholder@nospam.net> - 2018-08-27 19:24 +0000
    Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> - 2018-08-27 08:51 -0400
      Re: Moto X4 on Sale at Newegg for $199.99 ($100 off). Closest Android Phone to an iPhone 8 (non-plus) sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2018-08-27 08:12 -0700

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#55189

In message <pm1pc9$a1b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
          Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:

>On 2018-08-27 2:03 PM, David Higton wrote:
>> In message <270820181133002452%nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>            nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <pm146v$ral$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flash works fine on Android devices.
>>>
>>> flash has never worked fine on android.
>> 
>> Wrong, as is usual for nospam.
>> 
>>> flash is dead.
>> 
>> Wrong, as is usual for nospam.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>
>Odd then that Adobe agrees that Flash is dead:
>
>'Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our 
>technology partners – including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and 
>Mozilla – Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will 
>stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020'

So it's not dead yet.

I wish it were, and it will be at some point, just not yet.

Dave

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#55191

On 2018-08-27 2:52 PM, David Higton wrote:
> In message <pm1pc9$a1b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
>            Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-08-27 2:03 PM, David Higton wrote:
>>> In message <270820181133002452%nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>             nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <pm146v$ral$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flash works fine on Android devices.
>>>>
>>>> flash has never worked fine on android.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as is usual for nospam.
>>>
>>>> flash is dead.
>>>
>>> Wrong, as is usual for nospam.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> Odd then that Adobe agrees that Flash is dead:
>>
>> 'Given this progress, and in collaboration with several of our
>> technology partners – including Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft and
>> Mozilla – Adobe is planning to end-of-life Flash. Specifically, we will
>> stop updating and distributing the Flash Player at the end of 2020'
> 
> So it's not dead yet.
> 
> I wish it were, and it will be at some point, just not yet.
> 
> Dave
> 

It's effectively dead already.

Lots of tech products are dead long before they finally go completely EOL.

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#55192

On 27 Aug 2018 15:00:15 GMT, Alan Baker wrote:

> Lots of tech products are dead long before they finally go completely EOL.

Notice how the Apple Apologists Alan Baker & nospam can't dispute that you
can buy from two to five far more capable in most respects Android phones
for the price of a single far less capable in most respects iPhone.

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#55205

On 8/27/2018 2:52 PM, David Higton wrote:

<snip>

> So it's not dead yet.
> 
> I wish it were, and it will be at some point, just not yet.
> 
> Dave

Exactly. Still very widely used, and a pain when a device is unable to 
display valid web content.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

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#55215

On 28 Aug 2018 07:18:28 GMT, sms wrote:

> Exactly. Still very widely used, and a pain when a device is unable to 
> display valid web content.
> 
> ´The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.¡

Any reasonable adult who isn't driven insane by an inordinate fear would
agree with your logical assessments, as do I.

I don't like Flash. I'm glad it's on its way out.
But it still exists in droves (despite the denials by the apologists).

And, what I'm for is freedom of choice and functionality.
Being able to use a chainsaw when I need a chainsaw is a good thing.

Power and flexibility are always going to involve a bit of danger.

What's interesting is that the Apple Apologists are so scared of power and
flexibility that they deny actual facts such as the obvious fact that Flash
is still widely used. 

The fact that the Apple Apologists have no room in their belief system for
obvious facts is one of the strange traits of the Apple Apologists all.

They're driven by:
a. Fear
b. Style

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#55219

On 8/28/2018 4:16 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 28 Aug 2018 07:18:28 GMT, sms wrote:
> 
>> Exactly. Still very widely used, and a pain when a device is unable to
>> display valid web content.
>>
>> ´The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.¡
> 
> Any reasonable adult who isn't driven insane by an inordinate fear would
> agree with your logical assessments, as do I.
> 
> I don't like Flash. I'm glad it's on its way out.
> But it still exists in droves (despite the denials by the apologists).

Workarounds for Flash on iOS devices: 
<https://www.wondershare.com/convert-apple-device/flash-player-for-iphone-ipad.html>

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#55224

On 28 Aug 2018 20:34:13 GMT, sms wrote:

> Workarounds for Flash on iOS devices: 
> <https://www.wondershare.com/convert-apple-device/flash-player-for-iphone-ipad.html>

Thanks for that useful information on how to play Flash on iOS!

What's great about sentient logical adults like you, is that you don't
subject us to the silly games that the Apple Apologist incessantly play.

However, when you look at the next level of the list, it isn't as great as
it seems.
A. Some are apparently dead already, which is common with powerful Apple
Apps (look what happened to the initial screen recorders for example)
B. And some are crippleware (which I have found to be far more common on
iOS than on Android since choices tend to abound on Android so you can very
easily shun crippleware)
C. And some are payware (which is ridiculous for a browser, where I posit
that there's nothing that I want to do that isn't free on Android but there
are plenty of those same things I want to do that don't exist on iOS (e.g.,
Youtube Red clones) or that aren't free on iOS (e.g., Youtube Red Clones).

But that list is still a good start toward adding flexibility &
functionality to iOS.

Browsers:
a) Play (FLV, F4V, SWF) on iOS using any Flash compatible browser:
1. Puffin Browser supports the latest Flash & has full-page display.
   <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/puffin-web-browser-free/id472937654?mt=8>
b. Photon Safari Alternative (has a special flash mode button)
   <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/photon-flash-player-for-iphone/id453546382?mt=8>
c. Skyfire Web Browser (for watching flash video only) [Is it dead?]
   <http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/skyfire-web-browser-for-ipad/id409153623?mt=8>
   <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7350113>
   <https://www.macrumors.com/2010/11/03/skyfire-web-browser-now-available-in-app-store/>
d. iSwifter browser (not a free app) [Is it dead?]
   <http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iswifter/id388857173?mt=8>
   <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7350113>
   <https://9to5mac.com/2011/03/10/iswifter-puts-flash-videos-apps-and-games-on-your-ipad-ads-too/>
e. CloudBrowse (seems to only give 10 minutes for free?)
   <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cloud-browse-web-browser-for/id394418635?mt=8>
f. Browse2go (Is it dead?]
   <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/browse2go-web-browser/id458627018?mt=8>
   <http://browse2go.net/en/Support.aspx>
g. VirtualBrowser for Firefox (not free)
   <https://itunes.apple.com/app/id609289360?mt=8>

Realistically, that list boils down to these effective apps:
1. Puffin
2. Photon

This is getting long so I'll cover the next set of "Downloaders/Converters"
separately.

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#55225

On 29 Aug 2018 12:56:02 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> I'll cover the next set of "Downloaders/Converters" separately.

The second option on iOS is to download & convert flash into something that
iOS can play.

Again, logical sentient adults can discuss logically the merits of this
approach, where I posit that the authors chose to describe a payware
solution (supposedly for the Mac and Windows) where I currently do easily
with freeware on Windows & Linux (there's apparently much less freeware for
the Mac - at least not this freeware as shown below).

The authors described:
a. Video Converter Ultimate for Mac [Is it dead?]
   <https://www.wondershare.com/mac-video-converter-ultimate/>
b. Video Converter Ultimate for Windows
   <https://videoconverter.wondershare.com/>
The authors also suggested (but did not elaborate upon)
b. Youtube downloader (there are many - beware - I have entire threads on
which are the best ones for Windows - where the only one I recommend is
this command-line tool):
 <https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl.exe>
Which requires FFMPEG to do the conversion of "some" audio formats:
 <http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/win64/static/ffmpeg-20170711-0780ad9-win64-static.zip>

Use model on Windows/Linux for downloading the entire video:
  youtube-dl.exe https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw
Use model on Windows/Linux for downloading & stripping out just the audio:
  youtube-dl.exe -f 140 https://youtu.be/VuNIsY6JdUw

What the authors didn't suggest was an iOS-based free open-source
downloader/converter that works directly on iOS such as what New Pipe Open
Source freeware provides for Android (where, for those who don't know,
NewPipe is basically the mobile YouTube app on steroids):
   <https://newpipe.schabi.org/>

As always, the functionality, power, and flexibility on all platforms not
Apple utterly dwarfs that on Apple products - which is one easy proof that
Apple users arguably don't buy Apple products for sheer functionality.

Apple users arguably buy the Orwellian restricted Apple products due to
a. Inordinately mind-bending all-consuming fear of the real world, and, 
b. Slavish adherence to style or to their walled garden conveniences

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#55226

On 8/29/2018 6:30 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2018 12:56:02 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:
> 
>> I'll cover the next set of "Downloaders/Converters" separately.
> 
> The second option on iOS is to download & convert flash into something that
> iOS can play.

Actually, the option I see the most, if the user really has a compelling 
need to view Flash content, is for them to view it on their Windows PC 
or Mac.

I doubt if many iOS users are going to install these other apps, which 
apparently don't work perfectly, to view Flash content. Nor are they 
aware that Flash works fine on Android devices by installing a Flash 
capable browser, and even if they were aware they are not likely to move 
to the dark side just to get Flash.

In five years or so this won't even be an issue anymore, but for now, 
there's still a tremendous amount of content that requires Flash.

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#55227

In article <pm6e58$tlj$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> 
> I doubt if many iOS users are going to install these other apps, which 
> apparently don't work perfectly, to view Flash content. Nor are they 
> aware that Flash works fine on Android devices by installing a Flash 
> capable browser, and even if they were aware they are not likely to move 
> to the dark side just to get Flash.

flash does *not* work fine on android.

*both* platforms require installing an app, some of which are from the
same developers. 

the two android apps you linked had *horrible* reviews, particularly
this one:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.browser.flashfox>
  An app that is so slow that it almost seems to go backwards. Does a
  great job of heating up a computer tablet before crashing. Heck, I
  could just start up this FlashFox app and then use my tablet as a
  deep muscle heater, no hot water bottle needed. An incredibly rare
  one star review from me.

  Janky, buggy mess, crashes constantly and has a flashing, potentially
  seizure-inducing bar at the bottom for some reason. Does play Flash
  to its credit, but is slower than molasses at simple page loading.
  
  Works as a normal browser but the whole purpose of downloading this
  app instead of just Firefox is to look at flash content and whenever
  I open a page with flash content the whole thing just crashes. If you
  want a browser that actually works try the Puffin Web Browser. That's 
  what I have switched to...

so no, it doesn't 'work fine'.

> In five years or so this won't even be an issue anymore, but for now, 
> there's still a tremendous amount of content that requires Flash.

nonsense.

you're trolling, as usual.

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#55231

On 29 Aug 2018 08:41:28 GMT, nospam wrote:

> flash does *not* work fine on android.

Despite the Apple Apologist's attempt to derail the thread, the fact is
that Flash exists in the real world - and no amount of Apple Apologist
incantations that the real world doesn't exist will wish that fact away.

Facts are funny that way.

Meanwhile, this thread isn't about Flash.

This thread is about the facts in this chart kindly compiled by sms:
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HI-ejgQF5-OfJdS7yj-YL_we-v1PiMG0_JM8nGAlN38>

Where it appears that the Moto X4 vs iPhone 8 hardware comparison is thus:
 *MotoX4 wins* on Resolution functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on Screen Size functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on Pixels Per Inch functionality
 iPhone wins on Geekbench functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on Battery functionality (even with the "courageous" jack)
 *MotoX4 wins* on RAM functionality (with 3 or 4GB being the two options)
 *MotoX4 wins* on Front Camera Pixels functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on Front Flash functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on NFC functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on SDcard functionality (up to 2TB storage)
 *MotoX4 wins* on "courageous" headphone jack functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on FM radio functionality 
 *MotoX4 wins* on USB OTG functionality
 *MotoX4 wins* on Waterproofing (even with the "courageous" headphone jack)
 *MotoX4 wins* on Price (by a whopping 100%)

Do the Apple Apologists have *any* adult comments about *those facts*?

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#55233

On 29 Aug 2018 08:41:28 GMT, nospam wrote:

>  If you want a browser that actually works try the Puffin Web Browser.
...
> so no, it doesn't 'work fine'.

Hehhehheh.... 

Does anyone else notice that the Apple Apologist nospam relied on a
verbatim quote, which said, literally, that the Puffin Browser works to
display flash content.

And then, nospam concludes that flash doesn't work fine on Android.

The funny thing about Apple Apologists is that they use a child's logic.

The Apple Apologist quotes first that flash works fine.
And then the Apple Apologist guesses that flash doesn't work fine.

These Apple Apologists are not like normal sentient logical adults.

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#55232

On 29 Aug 2018 08:29:40 GMT, sms wrote:

> Actually, the option I see the most, if the user really has a compelling 
> need to view Flash content, is for them to view it on their Windows PC 
> or Mac.

Again, you're speaking like a logical sentient adult, where it's clear that
on iOS, the user is forced daily to "just give up".

The iOS user "just gives up" so often, it's basically a habit at this time.
They "just give up" so often that they don't even realize it.

The ones who realize it are those who have Android, where the simplest
things on Android are either miserable, expensive, or impossible on iOS.

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#55234

On 8/29/2018 9:05 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:

> The iOS user "just gives up" so often, it's basically a habit at this time.
> They "just give up" so often that they don't even realize it.

Sometimes they will ask in a forum "how do I do XYZ?" and perhaps 
someone will point out that it is not possible, and several others will 
insist that no one would ever want to do what the original poster 
clearly DOES want to do.

What I have run into personally are the following:

1. Displaying GPS satellite locations. Not possible on iOS because there 
is no way for an app to access the NMEA data in iOS. Not sure why there 
is this limitation. The workaround is to use an external GPS device. See 
<https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46550131/is-it-possible-to-obtain-nmea-data-from-ios>.

2. Aoos that require the Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP). Torque 
(popular Andriod app) is one such app. iOS does not support the 
Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP) which is required for Torque to work 
with a Bluetooth ELM327 transceiver. There is no real workaround. There 
are some similar OBD-II apps on the App Store, but they are not nearly 
as good as Torque, plus they require either a BLE ELM327, which is too 
slow, or a Wi-Fi ELM327. Not sure why there is this limitation, since 
iOS does support the BT LE profile.

3. Flash video. Flash is available on Android devices by using a browser 
that supports Flash. Ironically, the reason Google removed Flash from 
shipping with Android, is no longer applicable. On old devices, with 
slow CPUs, low amounts of RAM, and smaller batteries, Flash had the 
issue of not running well. But ever since Jelly Bean, Flash has run just 
fine except on the lowest end devices. While it's true that the amount 
of Flash content has been decreasing, there is still a tremendous amount 
of Flash content on the web. The workaround to view Flash video on iOS 
is imperfect and hokey. See 
<http://www.androidtipsandhacks.com/android/still-need-flash-android-device-heres-install/>.

4. Audio profiles. Ran into this one just a couple of months ago. On the 
iPhone, there is no straightforward way to have different volume 
settings for ringtones and notifications. The Genius Bar knows the 
workaround, since the question comes up frequently, but it's a bit hokey 
(create a very low volume or silent ringtone so even when notification 
volume is at the max the ring volume is low or silent). Android supports 
different audio profiles

5. SMS Forwarding. Apple does not allow this type of App for security 
reasons. You can forward SMS only to another Apple device on the same 
Apple account. This is a common question on forums, since you CAN 
forward calls (a feature of the carrier) but not SMS. Android supports 
SMS forwarding. 
<http://supportz.com/5-sms-forwarding-apps-for-your-android-device/> 
lists five such Android apps, but there are many more. There is no real 
workaround for iOS. But for the times that you need SMS forwarding you 
can stick your SIM card into a cheap Android phone.

6. Data transfer. Other than a very few file formats, transferring data 
into an iOS device via the Lightning port, is difficult. There is a 
rather clever workaround that someone came up with, but it's not 
straightforward. It requires zipping the files to transfer, changing the 
file name extension of the ZIP file to NEF (Nikon Raw Format) so the iOS 
device thinks that it's a Nikon raw file, importing the file into the 
iOS device, renaming .NEF to .ZIP, and unzipping it on the iOS device. 
See <https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3422226>.

Despite these issues, I still prefer my iPad to my Android tablet. I 
like the Apple Pencil, and I like the keyboard connection which doesn't 
require the use of Bluetooth. there are just some things that aren't 
possible on the iPad.

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#55235

In article <pm6m4n$lrg$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> 2. Aoos that require the Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP). Torque 
> (popular Andriod app) is one such app. iOS does not support the 
> Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP) which is required for Torque to work 
> with a Bluetooth ELM327 transceiver. There is no real workaround. 

no workaround needed.

there are shitloads of ios obd apps that do not use spp, many of which
use bluetooth le, which is even easier to use than outdated spp.

> There 
> are some similar OBD-II apps on the App Store, but they are not nearly 
> as good as Torque, 

some might not be, however, there are numerous ios obd apps that are as
good and even better than torque.

> plus they require either a BLE ELM327, which is too 
> slow, or a Wi-Fi ELM327. Not sure why there is this limitation, since 
> iOS does support the BT LE profile.

nonsense. bluetooth le is not a profile. it's an entirely new protocol
which is *far* more reliable and much easier to use than spp. it's also
much faster than obd, so no issues whatsoever with speed.

the btle obd adapters work exceptionally well.


> 6. Data transfer. Other than a very few file formats, transferring data 
> into an iOS device via the Lightning port, is difficult. 

more nonsense. *anything* the user wants to transfer can *easily* be
done via via the lightning port or more easily via wifi. 

just because *you* can't figure out how doesn't mean it's impossible.

> There is a 
> rather clever workaround that someone came up with, but it's not 
> straightforward. It requires zipping the files to transfer, changing the 
> file name extension of the ZIP file to NEF (Nikon Raw Format) so the iOS 
> device thinks that it's a Nikon raw file, importing the file into the 
> iOS device, renaming .NEF to .ZIP, and unzipping it on the iOS device. 

that's not clever at all. in fact, that's so ridiculously convoluted
that it's almost funny that someone would even consider it a solution.

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#55236

On 2018-08-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> there are shitloads of ios obd apps that do not use spp, many of which
> use bluetooth le, which is even easier to use than outdated spp.

Yep. There are tons of them. Here's just one that gets really good
reviews, and even comes with an Apple Watch companion app:

<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/obd-fusion/id650684932?mt=8>

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#55244

On 29 Aug 2018 11:09:40 GMT, nospam wrote:

>> 6. Data transfer. Other than a very few file formats, transferring data 
>> into an iOS device via the Lightning port, is difficult. 
> 
> more nonsense. *anything* the user wants to transfer can *easily* be
> done via via the lightning port or more easily via wifi. 
> 
> just because *you* can't figure out how doesn't mean it's impossible.

The Apple Apologist nospam has yet again brazenly fabricated wholly
imaginary functionality that only exists inside his head (and also,
perhaps, in big glossy Apple M-A-R-K-E-T-I-N-G brochures).

There's an entire thread which nospam himself was on that disproves every
single word nospam said above.
 Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/WjeGznahZwc>

*Why do Apple Apologists brazenly fabricate imaginary functionality?*
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K_yBNZiPFYo/yekUPvIXAwAJ>

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#55243

On 29 Aug 2018 10:45:56 GMT, sms wrote:

> Despite these issues, I still prefer my iPad to my Android tablet. I 
> like the Apple Pencil, and I like the keyboard connection which doesn't 
> require the use of Bluetooth. there are just some things that aren't 
> possible on the iPad.

I have plenty of iPads and I have jailbroken an iPhone and I give iOS and
Android dvices as gifts all the time, where we proved long ago there isn't
a single app functionality on iOS that isn't already on Android, while
there is plenty of app functionality on Android that is not on iOS,

To flesh out your list to an even dozen, here are ones I do all the time
which can't be done on iOS by anyone (except nospam and Jolly Roger and
Lewis and Alan Baker and BK@ONRamp, etc., all of whom spout imaginary
functionality that doesn't ever come with any timely referenced proof.)

7. WiFi debugging. I have more than a dozen access points on my rather
large property of two-digit acres, and I use WISP since cable doesn't come
to our mountain even though we're essentially only a few miles as the crow
flies from Silicon Valley. Android apps abound for WiFi debugging. There
are too many freeware great apps to even enumerate them all. Yet, there are
*zero* apps on iOS, payware, freeware, or otherwise, that can do something
as simple as graph the WiFi signal strength over time for all access points
in range.
  It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time 
 <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0>

8. Automatic phone recording. Despite the mind-boggling inordinate fear
that nospam incessantly spews whenever we discuss iOS' lack of abilities to
do the simplest of things, it's a fact that iOS can't even automatically
record phone calls which Android does easily with freeware.
  Android automatic call recording for free on Apple iOS iPhones sans jailbreaking
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/wtm8DFXuz20/IoGmkjsABwAJ> 

9. Powerful utilities like the freeware open source NewPipe, which, the
Apple Apologists can only deflect with their incessant claims of imaginary
app functionality on iOS that always seems to be without any valid URLs.
  What free iOS app downloads video & rips audio from YouTube? 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Sa27Y5JRvLE/jBAAk-7mCAAJ>

10. Sideloading apps from anywhere you like. (nuff said).

11. Choosing a powerful functional free app launcher. (nuff said).

12. Storage of large files (e.g., map databases) to sdcard. (nuff said).

I'll stop there, but the list "can" go on for up to 100 items, but this
list is very old so I will simply cite it and note that nospam and Jolly
Roger played their silly games on that thread as they always do.
  How hard would it be to name a hundred functional things Android apps do that iOS apps just can't do? 
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/OAls8ZO1dCI/L2xeT4ktBQAJ>

In short, it's a well-documented fact that there is zero app functionality
on iOS that isn't already on Android, while there is plenty of app
functionality on Android that isn't on iOS.

-- 
Cue claims of imaginary functionality that never has a valid reference!

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#55250

On 29 Aug 2018 22:01:25 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> 11. Choosing a powerful functional free app launcher. (nuff said).
> 
> 12. Storage of large files (e.g., map databases) to sdcard. (nuff said).

For a recent example of what is trivial on Android is *impossible* on iOS
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5724716mapapps.jpg>

In addition, I will be moving those map app databases to a new sdcard:
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9757754sdcard01.jpg>

*None of this basic power & flexibility is ever available to iOS users.*

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#55475

In message <pm3ljl$v76$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 8/27/2018 2:52 PM, David Higton wrote:

> <snip>

>> So it's not dead yet.
>> 
>> I wish it were, and it will be at some point, just not yet.
>> 
>> Dave

> Exactly. Still very widely used, and a pain when a device is unable to 
> display valid web content.

You can claim this, but the actual numbers are against you. Use has
dropped significantly at is now under 5%, and the vast majority of that
is ancient pages that are not being maintained or sites that are
actively lying about requiring Flash from Desktop users because it is a
simple malware injection path.

> “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

Flash is dead, deal with it, It's been feature-frozen for awhile and the
only updates it gets is critical security patches (and these are still
coming fast and furious).


-- 
If I were you boys, I wouldn't talk or even think about women. 'T'ain't
good for your health.

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