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| First post | 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000 |
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Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:53 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 18:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 07:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 11:14 -0600
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 18:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 02:05 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-04 01:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 07:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-02 22:47 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 21:22 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 11:21 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 15:27 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 19:31 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 17:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 20:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-15 02:01 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 16:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-17 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 20:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-18 01:34 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-19 21:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 01:16 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 04:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 15:45 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 16:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 19:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-21 17:36 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-21 17:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 11:34 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 09:00 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-22 07:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 10:59 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 17:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 19:33 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 15:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 19:49 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-12 02:20 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 04:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <t828dlx84h.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147896 |
On 2025-04-17 15:01, Paul wrote: > On Thu, 4/17/2025 5:08 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-04-17 07:15, Paul wrote: >>> On Wed, 4/16/2025 9:52 PM, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2025-04-16 14:24, Paul wrote: >> >> >>> This is one of the reasons, in the current computer room, *the* most popular >>> computer, is the one with a flat door panel with a handle on it. I used to have >>> computer cases, where the silly drives used to slide into front mount >>> tray holes (it would take like ten minutes to change a drive), >>> but the machine with the nice door, the trays face the user >>> and are immediately accessible. I have "enjoyed the hell" out of the >>> two of those I own. The trays for the disks are steel, so you don't have >>> to worry about the competitor cases that use plastic trays. That's >>> the Antec Sonata case. It's amazing, what a few convenience features >>> makes to your opinion of a thing. >> >> I have the Antec P101. Way too big, I can not figure out the sizes when shopping on a web page like Amazon. Of course I can see the specs, but then I'm surprised when I actually have it on my hands. It is a pleasure to work inside, but I had to modify the computer rack to hold it. >> > > Dimensions 527x232x506mm (DWH) EATX > 20.7 9.1 19.9 > > That's about the same size as the one I got (Phanteks). > They don't have to get too large, before > they're hard to cool. I've blocked some > of the vents in mine, to try to get more > air velocity in other places, but it's > really a losing battle. It's got five fans > in it at the moment. 3 in the front, covering the hard disks (I have four), a big one in the back, another on the power supply, and I think there is one on the video card, and then the cpu fan. The outgoing air is not warm. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtp3n4$2ua90$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147844 |
On 2025-04-16 03:53, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 15/04/2025 6:01 am, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-04-14 17:48, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>>>> Arno Welzel, 2025-04-14 13:18:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-13 15:57:
>>>> [...]
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, I agree, that Android has the flexibility to user other methods as
>>>> well, like backup apps, ADB and so on - but this needs enough
>>>> experience
>>>> by the user like how to set up ADB on a computer or how to transfer the
>>>> backup to another device using USB and so on.
>>>
>>> The methods I mentioned do not require the user to setup ADB. The
>>> Smart Switch Android-to-Windows backup does use a USB-cable, but no ADB.
>>> The Smart Switch Android app can transfer to another phone by Wi-Fi or
>>> USB and can backup to cloud, SD-card or USB-stick.
>>
>> That's a Samsung app, I understand. What about a generic full backup
>> app, non adb? For any operating system, not Windows only?
>
> Don't know about a Samsung App but, in Linux, I can use a 'dd'
> commandline command to back up both my Windows and Linux installations.
>
> Is there a similar commandline command for Android and/or Apple Mac??
Straight from the macOS Terminal app:
"DD(1)
General Commands Manual
DD(1)
NAME
dd - convert and copy a file
SYNOPSIS
dd [operands ...]
DESCRIPTION
The dd utility copies the standard input to the standard output. Input
data is read and written in 512-byte blocks. If input reads are short,
input from multiple reads are aggregated to form the output block. When
finished, dd displays the number of complete and partial input and
output blocks and truncated input records to the standard error output."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <bs50dlxeo9.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147793 |
On 2025-04-14 13:18, Arno Welzel wrote: > Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-13 15:57: > >> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > [...] >>> Theat's irrelevant. Not everybody uses Samsung devices. So we MUST ONLY >>> talk about the default backup provided by Android itself which is also >>> implemented by LineageOS BTW. >> >> Nope, we must not. As I said, and you again 'conveniently' dishonestly >> snipped: >> >> <unsnip> >> Also there are many other backup apps for Android, which can also >> backup/restore APKs. >> </unsnip> > > That's irrelevant in the context "what does the operating system provide". > >> That's the beauty about a platform like Android, choice. > > Sure - but "using a backup app" is not using what Android itself is > providing. > > Google also provides a backup feature in Android itself which also > allows to transfer data from one device to another when you switch > devices. But as I also explained: APK files are not included, because > not every APK file will work on every device, since APK files are device > specific packages and not universal installers. Most of the time it > works, but there is no guarantee for it and it is much safer to > reinstall apps on a new device by downloading it again, so always the > correct version will be used. Well... I remember once that I did a factory reset on an old phone, intending to install the same things for another account. I could not install again some of the apps because the Android version was old, and they no longer had those apps in G Play. > >> As this is the second time you try to make your point by lying by >> omission, it's EOD. > > I did not try to make anything. I just explained, how ANDROID ITSELF works. Not always. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtk93d$2h0n$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147802 |
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:56:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > I remember once that I did a factory reset on an old phone, intending to > install the same things for another account. I could not install again > some of the apps because the Android version was old, and they no longer > had those apps in G Play. I can concur with Carlos, and pretty much everyone in the world, in that we've all, at times, reset a PC or mobile device w/o having EVERYTHING backed up prior. We've learned from all those mistakes over time. For example, on Windows, I save every install where it belongs. (e.g., c:\installers\shells\android\adb) I then install each & every program where it belongs. (e.g., c:\apps\shells\android\adb) And of course, I add a shortcut to the taskbar menu where it belongs. (e.g., menus > shells > android > adb.lnk And, for some programs, I keep data where it belongs, but that's harder. (e.g., c:\data\shells\android\adb) To back up the installers is as simply as copying "installers". It's the same with most operating systems not designed by Apple. With Android, the google play store replacement app saves the installer. Even Android saves the installer (so it's actually auto-saved twice). That allows plenty of backup & restore strategies for the user. The main point of this offshoot though is that if you *want* to back up your Android APKs, you can (and in fact, it's mostly done already for you). Same with Linux & Windows. But on iOS, you can't. And that's bad.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtkbmk$2hf21$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147807 |
On 2025-04-14 17:26, Marion wrote: > On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:56:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >> I remember once that I did a factory reset on an old phone, intending to >> install the same things for another account. I could not install again >> some of the apps because the Android version was old, and they no longer >> had those apps in G Play. > > I can concur with Carlos, and pretty much everyone in the world, in that > we've all, at times, reset a PC or mobile device w/o having EVERYTHING > backed up prior. We've learned from all those mistakes over time. > > For example, on Windows, I save every install where it belongs. > (e.g., c:\installers\shells\android\adb) > > I then install each & every program where it belongs. > (e.g., c:\apps\shells\android\adb) > > And of course, I add a shortcut to the taskbar menu where it belongs. > (e.g., menus > shells > android > adb.lnk > > And, for some programs, I keep data where it belongs, but that's harder. > (e.g., c:\data\shells\android\adb) > > To back up the installers is as simply as copying "installers". > It's the same with most operating systems not designed by Apple. > > With Android, the google play store replacement app saves the installer. > Even Android saves the installer (so it's actually auto-saved twice). > > That allows plenty of backup & restore strategies for the user. > > The main point of this offshoot though is that if you *want* to back up > your Android APKs, you can (and in fact, it's mostly done already for you). > > Same with Linux & Windows. > > But on iOS, you can't. > And that's bad. And you never once mention the importance of backing up one's DATA. Apps can be (usually) be installed from the same source you got them in the first place, but the data you create, accumulate and store in those apps can't be recovered from anywhere.
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| From | Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtkftt$2p1td$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147808 |
Alan wrote: > On 2025-04-14 17:26, Marion wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:56:27 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> >> >>> I remember once that I did a factory reset on an old phone, intending to >>> install the same things for another account. I could not install again >>> some of the apps because the Android version was old, and they no longer >>> had those apps in G Play. >> >> I can concur with Carlos, and pretty much everyone in the world, in that >> we've all, at times, reset a PC or mobile device w/o having EVERYTHING >> backed up prior. We've learned from all those mistakes over time. >> >> For example, on Windows, I save every install where it belongs. >> (e.g., c:\installers\shells\android\adb) >> >> I then install each & every program where it belongs. >> (e.g., c:\apps\shells\android\adb) >> >> And of course, I add a shortcut to the taskbar menu where it belongs. >> (e.g., menus > shells > android > adb.lnk >> >> And, for some programs, I keep data where it belongs, but that's harder. >> (e.g., c:\data\shells\android\adb) >> >> To back up the installers is as simply as copying "installers". >> It's the same with most operating systems not designed by Apple. >> >> With Android, the google play store replacement app saves the installer. >> Even Android saves the installer (so it's actually auto-saved twice). >> >> That allows plenty of backup & restore strategies for the user. >> >> The main point of this offshoot though is that if you *want* to back up >> your Android APKs, you can (and in fact, it's mostly done already for >> you). >> >> Same with Linux & Windows. >> >> But on iOS, you can't. >> And that's bad. > > And you never once mention the importance of backing up one's DATA. > > Apps can be (usually) be installed from the same source you got them in > the first place, but the data you create, accumulate and store in those > apps can't be recovered from anywhere. Sure it can, if you bother to do regular backups to icloud and/or your coumputer (using itunes or whatever apple has for your computer type). The program code is downloaded fresh from the "app store", and you may end up with a later version, possibly unwanted, but it's data and settings are in your normal backups. I'm surprised you didn't know this!
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtm0ep$1u0v$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147809 |
On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:22:45 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote : > I'm surprised you didn't know this! EDIT: (There's a plan for backing up data in the 2nd half of this missive.) It's no longer shocking what Alan Baker will insist can't be, when everyone but Alan Baker knows it (see a perfect example in my own header above). Alan Baker has owned a bimmer for years and yet disputed what they're commonly called in technical circles; and Alan Baker claims to 'teach racing' and yet clearly has never studied the physics involved in navigating differently various basic curves. Alan Baker insists Apple has never done wrong (simply because, to him, paying a half a billion dollars so that they don't have to admit guilt is proof that Apple cannot do wrong because Apple has too much money to do so). Even the fact that Apple was charged with crimes and that Apple paid the French prosecutor for those crimes, means, to Alan, that it never happened. Moving on ... we're here to improve our technical knowledge, where I have (what I think is) sage advice for how to plan on backing up all your data. As for the technical aspect of backing up data, I've been doing that for as many decades as the rest of you have, starting back in the 1960's on magtape and punched cards (sorry, I never learned how to use punched tape). It's my opinion, based on experience, that on Linux/Windows, you have to plan for your data backup the day you set up your system. This is why I have a directory for data on Windows that exactly mirrors the app dir. installers: C:\software\editors\text\gvim\. apps: C:\apps\editors\text\gvim\. Taskbar menu: menu > editors > text > gvim.lnk data: C:\data\editors\text\gvim\. (e.g., tmp files & settings) Your plan banks on being able to set the data directory of each program at the time you install that program. Fat chance getting Adobe products to respect that plan; but there are programs out there which allow you to set the data directory (e.g., OSMAnd~ on Android allows you a map directory). However, executing the strategic plan of backing up data is sort of like what happens during war the moment there is contact with the enemy. The enemy gets a vote. Hence, no plan survives intact after contact with the enemy. It's the same with backing up your data. The only plan that works all the time is to plan how you're going to back up your system the day you set up that system - and then - you modify that plan upon contact with each app or program. Consider the program installation your first contact with the enemy. And change the plan accordingly - since the program gets a vote. -- I never use plurals in dirs or files but added it here for readability.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtm1li$3uq49$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147813 |
On 2025-04-15 09:11, Marion wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2025 21:22:45 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote :
>
>
>> I'm surprised you didn't know this!
>
> EDIT: (There's a plan for backing up data in the 2nd half of this missive.)
>
> It's no longer shocking what Alan Baker will insist can't be, when everyone
> but Alan Baker knows it (see a perfect example in my own header above).
>
> Alan Baker has owned a bimmer for years and yet disputed what they're
> commonly called in technical circles; and Alan Baker claims to 'teach
> racing' and yet clearly has never studied the physics involved in
> navigating differently various basic curves.
And now you make up a new lie.
Your original lie was that my not happening to know which term was used
for BMW cars versus their bikes ("Bimmers" vs "Beemers"—I still don't
care which is used for which) meant I couldn't possibly own one.
>
> Alan Baker insists Apple has never done wrong (simply because, to him,
> paying a half a billion dollars so that they don't have to admit guilt is
> proof that Apple cannot do wrong because Apple has too much money to do
> so).
Another lie.
>
> Even the fact that Apple was charged with crimes and that Apple paid the
> French prosecutor for those crimes, means, to Alan, that it never happened.
"Charged"? Yes.
Found guilty of them? No.
>
> Moving on ... we're here to improve our technical knowledge, where I have
> (what I think is) sage advice for how to plan on backing up all your data.
>
> As for the technical aspect of backing up data, I've been doing that for as
> many decades as the rest of you have, starting back in the 1960's on
> magtape and punched cards (sorry, I never learned how to use punched tape).
> > It's my opinion, based on experience, that on Linux/Windows, you
have to
> plan for your data backup the day you set up your system. This is why I
> have a directory for data on Windows that exactly mirrors the app dir.
> installers: C:\software\editors\text\gvim\.
> apps: C:\apps\editors\text\gvim\.
> Taskbar menu: menu > editors > text > gvim.lnk
> data: C:\data\editors\text\gvim\. (e.g., tmp files & settings)
>
> Your plan banks on being able to set the data directory of each program at
> the time you install that program. Fat chance getting Adobe products to
> respect that plan; but there are programs out there which allow you to set
> the data directory (e.g., OSMAnd~ on Android allows you a map directory).
>
> However, executing the strategic plan of backing up data is sort of like
> what happens during war the moment there is contact with the enemy.
>
> The enemy gets a vote.
> Hence, no plan survives intact after contact with the enemy.
>
> It's the same with backing up your data.
>
> The only plan that works all the time is to plan how you're going to back
> up your system the day you set up that system - and then - you modify that
> plan upon contact with each app or program.
>
> Consider the program installation your first contact with the enemy.
> And change the plan accordingly - since the program gets a vote.
My plan is to use appropriate backup software to deal with the entire
system.
In days past, that was most often an application called "Retrospect"
which I set up for clients both on individual systems, or using a backup
server. Now I only use it for my Windows clients.
For those using Macs (including myself), I simply use the excellent
built-in backup software, "Time Machine".
:-)
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtm6g3$ime$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147813 |
On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:26:01 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote : >>Actions speak louder than words, little boy. And you always side with >>Arlen - religiously (you even forgave him for impersonating you lol). > > I will agree with anyone who speaks the truth or makes a rational > statement, even you on occasion. But I learned my lesson the last time > I agreed with you when I realized you were lying. Hi badgolferman, Logic. And sense. Equals reason. Like you, and like any logically sensible adult, I will agree with anyone who makes a claim that is logically and sensibly sound, and you know that. I will even openly & willingly apologize publicly if I say something that turns out to be incorrect - and you know that also. These Apple trolls? Hmmm.... they never do either. Their only goal is to defend Apple's honor... to the death. No matter what. With respect to the technical problem of copying files off of iOS to any other platform without using the cloud, the Apple trolls claim that iTunes can do it and that SMB can do it. And yet, Apple publicly disavows any support whatsoever of Linux. And Android. So how do these Apple trolls copy files from iOS to Android? (HINT: They don't. They lied.) When the Apple trolls claim to copy from iOS to Android using the Files SMB capability, they're lying because it's not possible (to my knowledge). If it is possible to copy from iOS to Android using SMB, let them tell me how they did it because Frank Slootweg taught me years ago that an unrooted Android can't set up an SMB server (due to the SMB ports being below 1024). And how do these Apple trolls use iTunes on Windows safely & securely? (HINT: They don't. They lied.) The Apple trolls are banking on us not knowing the facts about iTunes. It has been *many* years since the iTunes bloatware abomination had the capability of copying the IPA to the Windows platform (and even then, iTunes grabbed that IPA from the App Store - not from the iOS device!) So the only way they're doing it, today, is that they're not. They lied. Not only does that many years old iTunes bloatware abomination have known zero-day exploit which Apple has not fixed in those deprecated versions, but if the Apple trolls were to initiate that backup today using that old software, it *still* grabs the IPA from the *current* iOS App Store. So they lied doubly so (since what they claim is impossible to do). They can NOT get older IPAs. They can only get the *current* IPA. Not only do these Apple trolls have to use known exploited bloatware to do that, but that bloatware doesn't work on Android nor on Linux (which Apple says they will never support). In summary, I think I make a logically sensible reasonable case against using iTunes to copy files between iOS and every other platform we use. The Apple trolls vehemently (actually viciously) disagree. By lying. (HINT: That's what Apple trolls do.) Apple trolls think nothing of lying to defend Apple's honor to the death. -- This lack of logic & sense has been what the Apple Trolls have been doing for decades on any newsgroup which contains any other operating system.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtm7db$2kaj$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147821 |
On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 18:50:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote : >> Then use the far simpler method of connecting to your Windows machine via >> the Files app. Make sure you have Sharing enabled in Windows first. Simple >> and new apps required. > > Thanks, but I use Linux, and I already stated I'm fine with just using > ifuse and a usb cable. Or KDE Connect. I will agree with anyone who says something sensible that is logically defensible, where I agree with candycane that Linux iFuse is the way to go. What AFC/iFuse allows on Linux is bidirectional iOS transfers over USB! When I used to dual boot my Windows desktop to Ubuntu, I was initially shocked at how *easy* it was to attain USB read access to iOS' file system! <https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Linux, win10 & iOS together <https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS? <https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail <https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks to copy <https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS is only DCIM & only 1-way <https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is a dumb brick on Windows <https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything <https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu iFuse is just magical <https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB <https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything <https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything <https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is nothing useful <https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only That's USB. Not SMB. Not anything else. It's USB file transfers with iOS! Since all that USB magic was done by iFuse, I desperately searched for a Windows implementation of iFuse - but alas - it doesn't appear to exist. That's sad because with tricks using Apple File Conduit (AFC) over USB that only one in a million people are aware of, you can write to iOS' filesys. Yes. Write. To much of the iOS filesys. Not just to DCIM! <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios180.jpg> Read & write all! <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios170.jpg> Anywhere you want <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios160.jpg> Any file you want <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios150.jpg> Copy Win10 to iOS <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios140.jpg> read & write iOS <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios130.jpg> iFuse mounts all! <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios120.jpg> iFuse mounts iOS <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios110.jpg> iFuse Windows mnt <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios100.jpg> iFuse is native <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios090.jpg> Nobody knows this <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios080.jpg> The trick! <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios070.jpg> Look closely <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios060.jpg> Both read & write <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios050.jpg> Including DCIM <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios040.jpg> View iOS filesys <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios030.jpg> iOS mounts <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios020.jpg> Allow access? <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios010.jpg> Trust Computer? <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios000.jpg> Ubuntu before iOS Notice I copied huge feature-length films from Ubuntu to iOS sandboxes! Alas, iFuse & AFC do not exist (AFAIK) on either Windows and Android. If anyone knows of an AFC/iFuse implementation on Android/Windows, please let me know as being able to do USB bidirectional file xfer is fantastic!
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtm8c6$57tg$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147821 |
On 2025-04-15 10:54, Marion wrote: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:26:01 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote : > > >>> Actions speak louder than words, little boy. And you always side with >>> Arlen - religiously (you even forgave him for impersonating you lol). >> >> I will agree with anyone who speaks the truth or makes a rational >> statement, even you on occasion. But I learned my lesson the last time >> I agreed with you when I realized you were lying. > > Hi badgolferman, > > Logic. And sense. Equals reason. > > Like you, and like any logically sensible adult, I will agree with anyone > who makes a claim that is logically and sensibly sound, and you know that. > > I will even openly & willingly apologize publicly if I say something that > turns out to be incorrect - and you know that also. You claimed I could own a BMW 135i because I didn't know how "bimmer" and "beemer" were used... ...yet you said just today: "Alan Baker has owned a bimmer for years and yet disputed what they're commonly called in technical circles; and Alan Baker claims to 'teach racing' and yet clearly has never studied the physics involved in navigating differently various basic curves." And given that I can prove beyond any doubt that I am a member (and past chairman) of the Race Drivers Committee of the Sports Car Club of British Columbia, and have SHOWN the proof, the last part of that sentence is clearly false as well. 'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers Training Program page. Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia. Most committee members have won championships in their class while others have done consistently well over the years and have proven themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.' <https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/> 'SCCBC Race Drivers Committee Race Drivers Committee Chairman Alan Baker Driver Training Registrar Keith Robinson' <https://web.archive.org/web/20230209055254/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/> > > These Apple trolls? Hmmm.... they never do either. > Their only goal is to defend Apple's honor... to the death. No matter what. > > With respect to the technical problem of copying files off of iOS to any > other platform without using the cloud, the Apple trolls claim that iTunes > can do it and that SMB can do it. > > And yet, Apple publicly disavows any support whatsoever of Linux. Another factual claim without any supporting evidence... > And Android. > > So how do these Apple trolls copy files from iOS to Android? > (HINT: They don't. They lied.) No one I saw claimed that files can be copied from iOS to Android. > > When the Apple trolls claim to copy from iOS to Android using the Files SMB > capability, they're lying because it's not possible (to my knowledge). No one I saw claimed that. The rest of your straw man argument snipped.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <m681q3Fir6bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147821 |
On 2025-04-15, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2025 17:26:01 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote : > > >>>Actions speak louder than words, little boy. And you always side with >>>Arlen - religiously (you even forgave him for impersonating you lol). >> >> I will agree with anyone who speaks the truth or makes a rational >> statement, even you on occasion. But I learned my lesson the last >> time I agreed with you when I realized you were lying. You *regularly* side with Arlen, who *constantly* lies. So your judgement there is laughably questionable at best, and a fucking joke at worst. But I'll indulge you anyway: Go ahead and point out this supposed "lie" you claim I made, badgolferman. Absent of that, it's you who are lying. 🙂 -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fjcfclx76k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147687 |
On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote: > On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: >> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> >>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. >>>> >>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >>>> Only Apple. >>> >>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >>> >>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You >>> claim to be clever. Be it. >>> >>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it. >>> >>> I don't care who does it. >> >> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no >> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. >> >> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every >> type. >> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple >> does. >> >> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. >> >> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. >> And that's what's bad. >> > Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? > > Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple > locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not > locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. > > Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any Apple. What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With variants in the details by the licensing. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vt3jmb$2kvf6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147691 |
On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: >>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>> >>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple >>>>> ID. >>>>> >>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >>>>> Only Apple. >>>> >>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >>>> >>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. >>>> You >>>> claim to be clever. Be it. >>>> >>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> I don't care who does it. >>> >>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no >>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. >>> >>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every >>> type. >>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple >>> does. >>> >>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. >>> >>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. >>> And that's what's bad. >>> >> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? >> >> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple >> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not >> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. >> >> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? > > No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any > Apple. > > What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be gratis, > but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the > source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With > variants in the details by the licensing. > Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word "free" means. Sorry to burst your bubble on this.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <3qegclxei2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147695 |
On 2025-04-08 18:42, Alan wrote: > On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: >>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>>> >>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >>>>>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific >>>>>> Apple ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >>>>>> Only Apple. >>>>> >>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >>>>> >>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it >>>>> up. You >>>>> claim to be clever. Be it. >>>>> >>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does >>>>>> to it. >>>>> >>>>> I don't care who does it. >>>> >>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software >>>> that no >>>> other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. >>>> >>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every >>>> type. >>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only >>>> Apple does. >>>> >>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. >>>> >>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. >>>> And that's what's bad. >>>> >>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? >>> >>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple >>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not >>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. >>> >>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? >> >> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any >> Apple. >> >> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be >> gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to >> take the source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. >> With variants in the details by the licensing. >> > > Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word > "free" means. It is not my definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software *Free software* Free software, libre software, libreware[1][2] sometimes known as freedom-respecting software is computer software distributed under terms that allow users to run the software for any purpose as well as to study, change, distribute it and any adapted versions.[3][4][5][6] Free software is a matter of liberty, not price; all users are legally free to do what they want with their copies of a free software (including profiting from them) regardless of how much is paid to obtain the program.[7][2] Computer programs are deemed "free" if they give end-users (not just the developer) ultimate control over the software and, subsequently, over their devices.[5][8] The right to study and modify a computer program entails that the source code—the preferred format for making changes—be made available to users of that program. While this is often called "access to source code" or "public availability", the Free Software Foundation (FSF) recommends against thinking in those terms,[9] because it might give the impression that users have an obligation (as opposed to a right) to give non-users a copy of the program. Although the term "free software" had already been used loosely in the past and other permissive software like the Berkeley Software Distribution released in 1978 existed,[10] Richard Stallman is credited with tying it to the sense under discussion and starting the free software movement in 1983, when he launched the GNU Project: a collaborative effort to create a freedom-respecting operating system, and to revive the spirit of cooperation once prevalent among hackers during the early days of computing.[11][12] > > Sorry to burst your bubble on this. Sorry to burst yours. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m5lnuqFgsdrU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147701 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 22:50:43 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in <3qegclxei2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>: > On 2025-04-08 18:42, Alan wrote: >> On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote: >>>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>>>> >>>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but >>>>>>> when distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific >>>>>>> Apple ID. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is >>>>>>> free. >>>>>>> Only Apple. >>>>>> >>>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it >>>>>> up. You claim to be clever. Be it. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does >>>>>>> to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't care who does it. >>>>> >>>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software >>>>> that no other operating system locks is the technical point that >>>>> matters here. >>>>> >>>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every >>>>> type. >>>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only >>>>> Apple does. >>>>> >>>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does >>>>> that. >>>>> >>>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. >>>>> And that's what's bad. >>>>> >>>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? >>>> >>>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple >>>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not >>>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. >>>> >>>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? >>> >>> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any >>> Apple. >>> >>> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be >>> gratis, but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to >>> take the source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. >>> With variants in the details by the licensing. >>> >>> >> Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word >> "free" means. > > It is not my definition. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software > > *Free software* > > Free software, libre software, libreware[1][2] sometimes known as > freedom-respecting software is computer software distributed under terms > that allow users to run the software for any purpose as well as to > study, change, distribute it and any adapted versions.[3][4][5][6] Free > software is a matter of liberty, not price; all users are legally free > to do what they want with their copies of a free software (including > profiting from them) regardless of how much is paid to obtain the > program.[7][2] Computer programs are deemed "free" if they give > end-users (not just the developer) ultimate control over the software > and, subsequently, over their devices.[5][8] > > The right to study and modify a computer program entails that the source > code—the preferred format for making changes—be made available to users > of that program. While this is often called "access to source code" or > "public availability", the Free Software Foundation (FSF) recommends > against thinking in those terms,[9] because it might give the impression > that users have an obligation (as opposed to a right) to give non-users > a copy of the program. > > Although the term "free software" had already been used loosely in the > past and other permissive software like the Berkeley Software > Distribution released in 1978 existed,[10] Richard Stallman is credited > with tying it to the sense under discussion and starting the free > software movement in 1983, when he launched the GNU Project: a > collaborative effort to create a freedom-respecting operating system, > and to revive the spirit of cooperation once prevalent among hackers > during the early days of computing.[11][12] > > >> Sorry to burst your bubble on this. > > Sorry to burst yours. Aw, you beat me to it. You are correct, of course -- it's free as in "free speech", not "free beer". -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.1 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Mothers are the necessity of invention -- Calvin"
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| From | vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m5lnr2FgsdrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147695 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 09:42:51 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <vt3jmb$2kvf6$1@dont-email.me>: > On 2025-04-08 04:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-04-08 11:19, Daniel70 wrote: >>> On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: >>>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>>> >>>>>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but >>>>>> when distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific >>>>>> Apple ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is >>>>>> free. >>>>>> Only Apple. >>>>> >>>>> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >>>>> >>>>> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. >>>>> You claim to be clever. Be it. >>>>> >>>>>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to >>>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> I don't care who does it. >>>> >>>> The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that >>>> no other operating system locks is the technical point that matters >>>> here. >>>> >>>> That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every >>>> type. >>>> No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple >>>> does. >>>> >>>> That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. >>>> >>>> That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. >>>> And that's what's bad. >>>> >>> Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? >>> >>> Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple >>> locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not >>> locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. >>> >>> Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? >> >> No, I am saying nothing about the lock. I don't care, I don't have any >> Apple. >> >> What I say is that if there is a lock, the Apple software may be >> gratis, >> but it is not Free (as in Freedom). Free means I am free to take the >> source code, remove the lock, recompile, and sell it myself. With >> variants in the details by the licensing. >> >> > Carlos, you personally don't get to decide for the world what the word > "free" means. > > Sorry to burst your bubble on this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.1 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "Let's organize this thing and take all the fun out of it."
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt4huj$2soq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147704 |
On 8 Apr 2025 22:55:30 GMT, vallor wrote : > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software Since you and Carlos are the ones who know more than I do about this... "LocalSend is fundamentally free and open-source software (FOSS). This means its source code is publicly available, allowing anyone to inspect, modify, and distribute it. This core principle remains regardless of how it's distributed." I aim for software that is akin to free beer, where I don't generally modify that beer and then redistribute it, but, Apple seems to be doing that in a way that is sanctioned by the provider of that free beer. <https://github.com/localsend/localsend/> That is, if we go to the web page for LocalSend, it has a privacy policy. <https://localsend.org/> Then, that LocalSend site has a link to an iOS section. <https://localsend.org/download?os=ios> Which then takes us to the suggested iOS IPA on the Apple App Store. <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/localsend/id1661733229> When you download that IPA, you can only do so with a valid Apple ID. And then Apple unilaterally inserts not only a lock to that Apple ID, but Apple also invasively tracks your every use of that software, outside of the original privacy policy of the LocalSend web page. Given those facts, now what would you call this software knowing that?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jivhclxjdo.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147706 |
On 2025-04-09 03:19, Marion wrote: > On 8 Apr 2025 22:55:30 GMT, vallor wrote : > > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software > > Since you and Carlos are the ones who know more than I do about this... > "LocalSend is fundamentally free and open-source software (FOSS). > This means its source code is publicly available, allowing anyone > to inspect, modify, and distribute it. This core principle > remains regardless of how it's distributed." > > I aim for software that is akin to free beer, where I don't generally > modify that beer and then redistribute it, but, Apple seems to be doing > that in a way that is sanctioned by the provider of that free beer. > <https://github.com/localsend/localsend/> > > That is, if we go to the web page for LocalSend, it has a privacy policy. > <https://localsend.org/> > > Then, that LocalSend site has a link to an iOS section. > <https://localsend.org/download?os=ios> > > Which then takes us to the suggested iOS IPA on the Apple App Store. > <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/localsend/id1661733229> > > When you download that IPA, you can only do so with a valid Apple ID. > > And then Apple unilaterally inserts not only a lock to that Apple ID, > but Apple also invasively tracks your every use of that software, > outside of the original privacy policy of the LocalSend web page. > > Given those facts, now what would you call this software knowing that? I don't know. I don't know the Apple ecosystem. This may be akin to using software with key certificates. The verification of the certificate is open, but once there whatever the key opens is there. Like sending an email encrypted or signed by PGP. The software itself is open, but it can not falsely claim encryption. Some programmer could take, say Thunderbird, and create a fork that falsely claims to encrypt but the mail is also using a key that the NSA can open. This does exist, I worked for a company which allowed PGP in their corporate email, but using a doctored version that added a key owned by the company, so that they could read any email. Is that Free Software? Well, their PGP version was published, license unchanged, AFAIK. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <104s9lf$1p3b8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147717 |
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 12:42:59 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > This does exist, I worked for a company which allowed PGP in their > corporate email, but using a doctored version that added a key owned by > the company, so that they could read any email. > > Is that Free Software? Well, their PGP version was published, license > unchanged, AFAIK. Did they prevent you from substituting your own version?
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