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  Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 16:45 +0000
    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-23 12:35 -0700
      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-23 23:47 +0200
        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 00:04 +0000
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 00:10 +0000
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-24 03:49 +0200
      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 00:04 +0000
        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-23 18:03 -0700
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-23 18:09 -0700
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 01:23 +0000
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-23 18:58 -0700
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 22:02 -0400
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 02:41 +0000
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 01:42 +0000
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-24 04:00 +0200
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 02:41 +0000
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-24 04:57 +0200
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 15:24 +0000
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 11:38 -0700
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-25 20:13 +0100
                        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-25 22:44 +0200
                        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 20:39 -0700
                          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 04:00 +0000
                            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 21:34 -0700
                              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 16:24 +0200
                                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-26 08:43 -0700
                                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-26 18:17 +0000
                                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-28 00:22 +0200
                                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2016-09-28 14:17 +0100
                                        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-10-01 16:28 +0200
                                          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2016-10-01 20:56 +0100
                                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-26 11:51 -0400
                                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-09-26 10:15 -0600
                                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-26 09:48 -0700
                              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-26 12:55 -0400
                                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-26 11:12 -0700
                                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-26 18:23 +0000
                            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 16:27 +0200
                          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-29 07:38 -0700
                            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2016-09-29 15:16 +0000
                              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-29 09:07 -0700
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 00:22 +0000
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-24 02:12 -0400
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-24 16:15 +0200
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 +0000
        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-24 03:58 +0200
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 10:02 -0700
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 10:31 -0700
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 00:22 +0000
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 04:14 +0200
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 02:23 +0000
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 16:01 +0200
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-26 08:51 -0700
                        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-28 00:30 +0200
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-09-26 18:19 +0200
                        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-27 04:08 -0400
                          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-09-27 18:35 +0200
                          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-09-27 17:22 +0000
                            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-27 20:39 +0200
                            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-28 02:40 -0400
                              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-10-01 16:34 +0200
                            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-09-29 11:40 +0200
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 19:56 -0700
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 16:05 +0200
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-25 20:38 +0200
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 00:22 +0000
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 00:22 +0000
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 04:17 +0200
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 02:35 +0000
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 16:07 +0200
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 00:23 +0000
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 04:18 +0200
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 02:38 +0000
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 16:12 +0200
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-26 10:23 +0100
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-26 16:13 +0200
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-26 15:50 +0100
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-28 00:35 +0200
        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-23 20:20 -0700
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-23 22:42 -0700
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-23 23:49 -0700
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-24 16:24 +0200
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2016-09-25 10:52 +0100
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-25 12:13 +0200
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2016-09-25 15:46 +0100
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-25 10:26 -0700
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-25 20:47 +0200
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-25 20:22 -0400
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 +0000
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-24 10:58 -0700
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 21:31 +0000
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-24 18:28 -0400
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:53 -0700
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-25 01:15 -0400
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-24 16:19 +0200
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 +0000
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 11:05 -0700
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 11:23 -0700
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 00:23 +0000
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 20:46 -0700
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:30 +0000
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-26 00:23 +0000
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-25 21:27 -0700
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:30 +0000
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:30 +0000
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:30 +0000
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:30 +0000
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-28 10:16 -0700
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:30 +0000
                      Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-28 10:44 -0700
                        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 17:52 +0000
                          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-28 11:25 -0700
                            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 20:41 +0000
                  Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2016-09-26 14:21 -0500
                    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:30 +0000
            Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-24 18:26 -0400
              Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-09-25 02:45 +0200
                Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-25 01:20 -0400
          Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 +0000
        Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-25 17:34 +0200
    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-09-24 11:24 +0200
    Re: Do you turn off "location access" in all the apps that don't need it? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-24 19:31 +0200

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#34976

On 2016-09-28 08:40, tlvp wrote:
> On 27 Sep 2016 17:22:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> 
>> tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:19:01 +0200, Piet wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> Spain. Didn't you notice the ".es" in my faked email? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Why does one have to assume it's fake? The fact that it *currently*
>>>> isn't registered does *not* mean it never will be registered.
>>>> So you're assuming the identity of a future owner of the domain. ...
>>>
>>> "invalid" will never become part of a registered domain name until the RFC
>>> according to which it will never be part of a registered domain name is
>>> superceded. Same for "example". In detail:
>>
>>   You apparently didn't notice the "<www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid>"
>> bit in Piet's 'From:' line! :-)
>>
>>   Piet is the 'creator' (hence "godfather") of the Dutch part of the
>> Internet and his 'From:' line shows that the ".invalid" part is only
>> acceptable as the *last*/right-hand part of the domain name, i.e. the
>> *T*LD, *Top* Level Domain. (For another example, see my 'From:' line.)
>>
>>   So if anyone does *not* needs lessons in this stuff, it's Piet! :-)
>>
>>   But Piet is a nice guy, so no worries! :-)
> 
> Well Frank, Dank U wel for the introduction; and Piet: pleased to meet you. 
> While I now stand (abashed and) corrected, I still believe it's safe to say
> *I* certainly thought "invalid.es" had to be the sort of fake domain that
> would never be registered because of my overly loose understanding of the
> RFC prohibitions against use of the text-string "invalid". 
> 
> Treat my post, then, not as any "lessons in this stuff" but as an insight
> into my psychology :-) ... and perhaps that of Carlos E.R., as well. FWiW.
> 
> Cheers, and thanks again, -- tlvp

Well, I did not investigate that much when I concocted my faked address.
I simply saw that some were using that style, so I imitated it. Perhaps
I should change to es.invalid instead.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34919

Frank Slootweg wrote:
> tlvp wrote:
>> "invalid" will never become part of a registered domain name until
>> the RFC according to which it will never be part of a registered
>> domain name is superceded. Same for "example". In detail:
> 
> You apparently didn't notice the "<www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid>"
> bit in Piet's 'From:' line! :-)

And as far as I can tell it's still the only invalid that is valid. ;-)

> But Piet is a nice guy, so no worries! :-)

I wouldn't be too sure about that. :-)

-p

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#34804

On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:14:29 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@invalid.es> wrote:

>On 2016-09-26 02:22, Horace Algiers wrote:
>
>> It would be nice if some of our European friends on this ng would install
>> and test that WiFi analyzer to tell us how it works with the European
>> 2.4GHz channels.

>I see 1 to 14, 15 is out. But the list is manually configurable. And
>second but, 15 is not an option to enable.
>
>The 5 GHz band enables 36 40 44 48 149 153 157 161, but it does not
>appear to work.

There are far more channels available in Europe.

Go to 
  Settings -> Channel Settings -> Available Channels -> 5GHz
and see if all your local wi-fi channels are enabled, or if they have
defaulted to US standards.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels>

For the US, the 5GHz band would be:
 36 -  68  even numbered channels
100 - 144  even numbered channels
149 - 165  odd numbered channels

For Europe, the 5GHz band would be:
 36 -  64  every other even numbered channel
100 - 140  every other even numbered channel
149 - 165  odd numbered channels (SRD)



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#34814

On 2016-09-26 04:56, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:14:29 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@invalid.es> wrote:
> 
>> On 2016-09-26 02:22, Horace Algiers wrote:
>>
>>> It would be nice if some of our European friends on this ng would install
>>> and test that WiFi analyzer to tell us how it works with the European
>>> 2.4GHz channels.
> 
>> I see 1 to 14, 15 is out. But the list is manually configurable. And
>> second but, 15 is not an option to enable.
>>
>> The 5 GHz band enables 36 40 44 48 149 153 157 161, but it does not
>> appear to work.
> 
> There are far more channels available in Europe.
> 
> Go to 
>   Settings -> Channel Settings -> Available Channels -> 5GHz
> and see if all your local wi-fi channels are enabled, or if they have
> defaulted to US standards.

I have those I listed above.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels>
> 
> For the US, the 5GHz band would be:
>  36 -  68  even numbered channels
> 100 - 144  even numbered channels
> 149 - 165  odd numbered channels
> 
> For Europe, the 5GHz band would be:
>  36 -  64  every other even numbered channel
> 100 - 140  every other even numbered channel
> 149 - 165  odd numbered channels (SRD)

My list matches neither.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34784

On 2016-09-25 19:02, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 03:58:27 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@invalid.es> wrote:
> 
>>
>>> Thanks for that input. In my case, location is asked by the map apps, but
>>> not necessarily by the clock app or ES File Explorer, or the WiFi Analyzer. 
>>
>> The WiFi analyzer may need to know what country it is in, because the
>> law changes, and with it the channels that are available. The
>> application may thus autoconfigure to only listen in the legal channels
>> for the current country.
>>
>> Just one reason it occurred to me.
> 
> Nope.  WiFi Analyzer is a receive only (passive) sniffer/monitor
> program.  It doesn't transmit.

I know. But the interesting channels to listen on vary depending on the
country. Whether the application really knows and uses this information
I haven't verified.


>> Depending on the Android version, permissions are requested at install
>> time or at runtime.
> 
> That's changing.
> <https://inthecheesefactory.com/blog/things-you-need-to-know-about-android-m-permission-developer-edition/en>
>   "In Android 6.0 Marshmallow, application will not be granted any
>   permission at installation time. Instead, application has to 
>   ask user for a permission one-by-one at runtime."

That's exactly what I said.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34791

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:38:52 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> That's changing.
>> <https://inthecheesefactory.com/blog/things-you-need-to-know-about-android-m-permission-developer-edition/en>
>>   "In Android 6.0 Marshmallow, application will not be granted any
>>   permission at installation time. Instead, application has to 
>>   ask user for a permission one-by-one at runtime."
> 
> That's exactly what I said.

It was interesting to see in that article that Jeff recommended that these
permissions are not possible for the user to revoke from the app!

android.permission.ACCESS_LOCATION_EXTRA_COMMANDS
android.permission.ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE
android.permission.ACCESS_NOTIFICATION_POLICY
android.permission.ACCESS_WIFI_STATE
android.permission.ACCESS_WIMAX_STATE
android.permission.BLUETOOTH
android.permission.BLUETOOTH_ADMIN
android.permission.BROADCAST_STICKY
android.permission.CHANGE_NETWORK_STATE
android.permission.CHANGE_WIFI_MULTICAST_STATE
android.permission.CHANGE_WIFI_STATE
android.permission.CHANGE_WIMAX_STATE
android.permission.DISABLE_KEYGUARD
android.permission.EXPAND_STATUS_BAR
android.permission.FLASHLIGHT
android.permission.GET_ACCOUNTS
android.permission.GET_PACKAGE_SIZE
android.permission.INTERNET
android.permission.KILL_BACKGROUND_PROCESSES
android.permission.MODIFY_AUDIO_SETTINGS
android.permission.NFC
android.permission.READ_SYNC_SETTINGS
android.permission.READ_SYNC_STATS
android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED
android.permission.REORDER_TASKS
android.permission.REQUEST_INSTALL_PACKAGES
android.permission.SET_TIME_ZONE
android.permission.SET_WALLPAPER
android.permission.SET_WALLPAPER_HINTS
android.permission.SUBSCRIBED_FEEDS_READ
android.permission.TRANSMIT_IR
android.permission.USE_FINGERPRINT
android.permission.VIBRATE
android.permission.WAKE_LOCK
android.permission.WRITE_SYNC_SETTINGS
com.android.alarm.permission.SET_ALARM
com.android.launcher.permission.INSTALL_SHORTCUT
com.android.launcher.permission.UNINSTALL_SHORTCUT

More interesting, perhaps, are these location permissions:
https://inthecheesefactory.com/uploads/source/blog/mpermission/permgroup.png

Where it seems that there are two location permissions, as we might
imagine:
android.permission.ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION
android.permission.ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION

Unfortunately, the caption of that screenshot says that if either one is
granted, the other is also granted, automatically!
   "If any permission in a Permission Group is granted. \
    Another permission in the same group will be automatically \
    granted as well."

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#34792

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:02:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

>  WiFi Analyzer is a receive only (passive) sniffer/monitor
> program.  It doesn't transmit.  The various rules and regulatations
> are for transmit power and frequencies, and would not apply to a
> receiver.  As long as the receiver meets incidental radiation (FCC
> Part 15) requirements which is handled by the maker of the tablet or
> cellphone.  If someone wants to use WiFi Analyzer as a connection
> manager, the available transmit channels will be automagically limited
> by the tablet or smartphone firmware, not the application.
> 
> Looking at WiFi Analyzer, it will receive from Ch 1 to 14, which is
> well outside the US range of Ch 1 to 11.  There is no country setting
> in the app settings.

Thanks for checking up on this for us Jeff.

Given that it just "passively" scans for frequencies which include Europe
and US channels, the WiFi analyzer basically shouldn't need location
access, and, what's worse, the fact that it *asks* for location access,
probably means that they "do something" with it (e.g., maybe they transmit
it back to the mother ship?).

Why else would it ask if they didn't do something with it?

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#34799

On 2016-09-26 02:22, Horace Algiers wrote:

> Given that it just "passively" scans for frequencies which include Europe
> and US channels, the WiFi analyzer basically shouldn't need location
> access, and, what's worse, the fact that it *asks* for location access,
> probably means that they "do something" with it (e.g., maybe they transmit
> it back to the mother ship?).

I doubt it.

> Why else would it ask if they didn't do something with it?

Well... for instance, to show adds for my location.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34802

On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:17:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Well... for instance, to show adds for my location.

Ah. I never see the ads. 
Maybe they are there, but I never look.
So I forgot about that.

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#34815

On 2016-09-26 04:35, Horace Algiers wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:17:10 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> Well... for instance, to show adds for my location.
> 
> Ah. I never see the ads. 
> Maybe they are there, but I never look.
> So I forgot about that.

They disappear if you pay. Or maybe if it thinks there are no suitable
adds. They display as a banner on the bottom (big tablet) and some times
as popups when going out of the setup menu.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34793

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:02:48 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> That's changing.
> <https://inthecheesefactory.com/blog/things-you-need-to-know-about-android-m-permission-developer-edition/en>
>   "In Android 6.0 Marshmallow, application will not be granted any
>   permission at installation time. Instead, application has to 
>   ask user for a permission one-by-one at runtime."

That will be a welcome sight when the apps have to ask *us* for "runtime
permission" *when* they want them, and that we can say "no" for spurious
permissions.

   "In Android 6.0 Marshmallow, an application will not be granted any
permission at installation time. Instead, an application has to ask user
for a permission one-by-one at runtime."

Apparently, the developer has to *force* the dialog box to ask the user,
otherwise, the app will just *not* get the requested information, and may
crash (depending on how the app handles errors).

Apparently, from reading Jeff's recommended article, developers have two
choices, depending on whether they "set" their targetSdkVersion to 23 and
above, or 22 and lower.

If targetSdkVersion = 22 and lower, then the app will request permissions
at install time; if targetSdkVersion = 23 and above, the app will get no
permission at install time, and, instead, it has to ask for permissions at
run time.

I suspect most developers will set it to target 22; but I would be
pleasantly surprised if they set it to target 23!

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#34800

On 2016-09-26 02:23, Horace Algiers wrote:
> I suspect most developers will set it to target 22; but I would be
> pleasantly surprised if they set it to target 23!

I have seen several apps ask at runtime.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34803

On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:18:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>> I suspect most developers will set it to target 22; but I would be
>> pleasantly surprised if they set it to target 23!
> 
> I have seen several apps ask at runtime.

That's good information to know.
I have only seen, I think, map apps ask for location access at runtime (as
I recall). 

But, overall, other than *map* apps and perhaps the "convenience" apps such
as weather and local news, is there anyone who sees a danger or problem
with simply turning off all apps' location access, and then, just turning
on the location access *when* and *if* it's actually needed by you?

What apps *need* location access?
- maps
- customized apps for your location (e.g., weather & news & prices)
- anything else?

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#34816

On 2016-09-26 04:38, Horace Algiers wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:18:23 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>>> I suspect most developers will set it to target 22; but I would be
>>> pleasantly surprised if they set it to target 23!
>>
>> I have seen several apps ask at runtime.
> 
> That's good information to know.
> I have only seen, I think, map apps ask for location access at runtime (as
> I recall). 

I think there are two options at that time: ask for permission, or ask
you to enable location, if it is disabled at the time.


> But, overall, other than *map* apps and perhaps the "convenience" apps such
> as weather and local news, is there anyone who sees a danger or problem
> with simply turning off all apps' location access, and then, just turning
> on the location access *when* and *if* it's actually needed by you?

I leave on the coarse location. I do not activate the GPS because it
draws the battery, and because no app really needs that precision except
a map.

And I leave on the coarse location because I use some apps that need at
least some location info. I have one for a supermarket that wants fine
location and I refused. With the coarse location it can know good enough
if I am at the supermarket and which one. So I blocked it from starting,
it was using too much battery.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34812

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Horace Algiers wrote:
>
>> I suspect most developers will set it to target 22; but I would be
>> pleasantly surprised if they set it to target 23!
>
> I have seen several apps ask at runtime.

Me too.

And even for apps build to the lower API, you can remove perms that were 
granted at install time (app behaviour is undefined if you do that, they 
might crash or just shrug and carry on) WiFi Analyzer only shows storage 
permission for me.

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#34817

On 2016-09-26 11:23, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> Horace Algiers wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect most developers will set it to target 22; but I would be
>>> pleasantly surprised if they set it to target 23!
>>
>> I have seen several apps ask at runtime.
> 
> Me too.
> 
> And even for apps build to the lower API, you can remove perms that were
> granted at install time (app behaviour is undefined if you do that, they
> might crash or just shrug and carry on) WiFi Analyzer only shows storage
> permission for me.

Please remind me, where do you adjust permissions? Is it an applet to do
it, or a menu of android settings?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34821

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> where do you adjust permissions? Is it an applet to do
> it, or a menu of android settings?

Assuming Marshmallow or Nougat ...

settings, apps, click a particular app, click permissions, and use the 
sliders to enable/disable individual permissions.

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#34876

On 2016-09-26 16:50, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> where do you adjust permissions? Is it an applet to do
>> it, or a menu of android settings?
> 
> Assuming Marshmallow or Nougat ...
> 
> settings, apps, click a particular app, click permissions, and use the
> sliders to enable/disable individual permissions.

I see, thanks. :-)

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#34700

On 9/23/2016 5:04 PM, Horace Algiers wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 12:35:54 -0700, AL wrote:

> I'm on Android 4.3 which allows App Ops Starter to control permissions.

>and that it's not needed in 5.0 and above.

It would still be needed in 5. But not in 6 and above which allow you to 
deny permissions in settings, no app required.

> In my case, location is asked by the map apps,

My Maps app (version 9.36.2) wants access to contacts, location, phone, 
and storage. I leave them all off. So far no app complaints for just 
bringing up a map. If I want turn by turn directions then I'd of course 
need location on.

> it makes sense that if an app truly
> *needs* the location, that it should simply *ask* for the location access
> at the time it needs it.

IMO that would be a hassle for people who aren't as paranoid as we are.

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#34708

On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 20:20:22 -0700, AL <noemail@none.invalid.com>
wrote:

>My Maps app (version 9.36.2) wants access to contacts, location, phone, 
>and storage. I leave them all off. So far no app complaints for just 
>bringing up a map. If I want turn by turn directions then I'd of course 
>need location on.

My map app is My Trails (Pro):
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.frogsparks.mytrails&hl=en>
It wants to use GPS, modify SD card, add|find|use accounts, full
network access, run at startup, prevent phone from sleeping, and
vibrator.  I'm not so sure about the accounts stuff, but the rest
doesn't look too horrible.

No turn by turn needed or wanted.  I rarely listen to instructions
from anyone and certainly don't plan to start doing so with
instructions from a machine.  Incidentally, anyone trying to use a GPS
map device to find a usable route to my house is sure to get lost.
There are roads on the maps that don't exist which the mapping
programs never fail to use as the preferred route.

-- 
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150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
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