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How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free

Started byYanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr>
First post2017-01-01 12:12 +0100
Last post2017-01-10 23:53 -0500
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  How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 12:12 +0100
    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-01 11:35 -0500
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 18:49 +0100
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-01 14:51 -0500
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-02 02:21 +0100
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-01 20:56 +0000
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-01 16:52 -0500
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-02 02:30 +0100
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-02 03:01 -0500
              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 03:48 -0500
              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-02 15:26 +0000
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 16:18 -0500
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2017-01-02 15:08 +0700
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-02 14:28 -0500
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2017-01-03 12:28 +0700
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-03 01:22 -0500
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-03 02:00 -0500
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 03:49 -0500
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-01-02 03:59 -0600
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2017-01-02 18:16 +0700
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-01-02 05:47 -0600
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-02 12:25 -0700
              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 02:48 +0100
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-02 18:55 -0700
                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 16:07 +0100
                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-03 11:09 -0700
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-03 18:55 +0000
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-04 06:05 +0100
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-04 08:48 -0700
                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-03 15:39 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-03 23:05 -0500
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-03 23:31 -0500
                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-05 05:49 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-04 06:05 +0100
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 01:51 -0500
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-04 11:51 -0500
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-03 16:32 +0000
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 03:50 -0500
                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-04 10:05 +0000
                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 05:38 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-04 11:39 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-04 10:19 -0700
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 17:36 -0500
                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-04 19:11 -0700
                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-05 23:18 -0500
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                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 11:50 -0500
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-04 17:46 +0000
                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 13:04 -0500
                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-04 13:43 -0500
                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 14:12 -0500
                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-04 22:41 +0100
                                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 17:01 -0500
                                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-04 22:36 +0000
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                                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-05 05:12 +0000
                                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-05 00:20 -0500
                                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-05 05:54 +0000
                                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-06 20:28 -0500
                                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-05 07:42 +0000
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                                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 00:15 +0000
                                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-05 19:39 -0500
                                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 00:13 +0000
                                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-05 18:46 -0700
                                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 04:37 +0000
                                                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-05 23:47 -0700
                                                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 09:09 +0000
                                                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-06 17:40 -0500
                                                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-07 01:28 +0000
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#37476

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2017-01-06 17:55 -0500
Message-ID<58702051$0$29511$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#37464
On 2017-01-06 15:21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>   Why is an "adapter that plugs into the seat power outlet" needed to
> "charge off of usb"?
> 
>   What makes such an adapter an "airline adapter", instead of just
> an adapter, period?


In the early days, there were EmPower adaptors installed by some
airlines. Limited power at low DC voltage. It was a "proprietary" plug
to ensure you had the right approved hardware to plug into it.
(remember, everything that plugs into an aircraft has to be approved).
Can't remember if it was 12 or 18VDC.


Use of any electronics in the aircraft has to be validated as safe by
each airline before they allow its use. EmPower provided that validation
that the consumer device wouldn't consume too much power etc.

 Remember that use of laptops could bring down an airraft, cause it to
miss the runway, interfere with navigation and all those fears. (simply
because the airline had not made tests so it had to provide excuses to
not allow them). Same for phones later on.

Ironinally: Swissair 111 was downed by fancy electronics that had been
approved for flight and installed into the airplane. (so even that
approval process failed in this case as the system drew more power than
the wiring could handle, and hot wiring, combined with kapton insultaion
caused faire that downed the aircraft.



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#37477

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-01-06 18:01 -0500
Message-ID<060120171801578570%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#37476
In article <58702051$0$29511$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> In the early days, there were EmPower adaptors installed by some
> airlines. Limited power at low DC voltage. It was a "proprietary" plug
> to ensure you had the right approved hardware to plug into it.
> (remember, everything that plugs into an aircraft has to be approved).
> Can't remember if it was 12 or 18VDC.

neither. it's 15vdc, the same voltage as the cigarette style socket on
some airlines. 

> Use of any electronics in the aircraft has to be validated as safe by
> each airline before they allow its use. EmPower provided that validation
> that the consumer device wouldn't consume too much power etc.

nope. all empower does is provide power. there is still a list of
devices that can't be used and the user doesn't have to plug into the
plane anyway. many of the prohibited devices have their own batteries.

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#37533

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2017-01-07 21:54 +0000
Message-ID<edd6cqFud98U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37476
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-01-06 15:21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >
> >   Why is an "adapter that plugs into the seat power outlet" needed to
> > "charge off of usb"?
> > 
> >   What makes such an adapter an "airline adapter", instead of just
> > an adapter, period?
> 
> In the early days, there were EmPower adaptors installed by some
> airlines. Limited power at low DC voltage. It was a "proprietary" plug
> to ensure you had the right approved hardware to plug into it.
> (remember, everything that plugs into an aircraft has to be approved).
> Can't remember if it was 12 or 18VDC.

  Sorry you fell for this.
  
  I know full well what's meant. It's just about nospam back-pedaling
from "seat power" being 110VAC/12DC [1] and now suddenly including a USB
socket as "seat power". Not that there's anything wrong with the latter,
but it makes the (non-)'discussion' about seat power being uncommon in
below-business class a moot one.

[1] Or there abouts.

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#37425

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-01-06 00:25 +0000
Message-ID<slrno6tp23.1m3i.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#37412
In message <ed7qo6Fkn0iU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <cYCdnbaV87i5PfPFnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@giganews.com>, Savageduck
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Just to clarify, my KLM flight from Cape Town to AMS will be in a 777-200ER
>> > (V1) and on that flight none of the economy seats have power outlets other
>> > than USB, they are to be found in business class. 
>> 
>> usb counts as seat power.

>   <boggle!>

>   Back-pedal much?

You new around here?

Nospam will *never* admit he was wrong, no matter how clearly wrong he
was.

-- 
And she was looking at herself
And things were looking like a movie
She had a pleasant elevation
She's moving out in all directions

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#37430

FromLacopo Ferrari <FerrariLacopoooooooooooospam@acantho.it>
Date2017-01-06 03:18 +0000
Message-ID<o4n2ae$be3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#37425
Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:25:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis responded:

> Nospam will *never* admit he was wrong, no matter how clearly wrong he
> was.

This is true that nospam can't admit he's wrong, so he moves not only the
goalposts, but the bleachers and the lime marks on the playing field until
you're so confused that you just give up.

While this is a fact, what I wonder is what kind of person does that?
What's the psychological issue he has called?

How do you deal with this unhelpful trait (other than to just ignore it)?

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#37434

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-01-06 04:46 +0000
Message-ID<slrno6u8bn.o5a.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#37430
In message <o4n2ae$be3$1@gioia.aioe.org> 
  Lacopo Ferrari <FerrariLacopoooooooooooospam@acantho.it> wrote:
> Fri, 6 Jan 2017 00:25:11 -0000 (UTC), Lewis responded:

>> Nospam will *never* admit he was wrong, no matter how clearly wrong he
>> was.

> This is true that nospam can't admit he's wrong, so he moves not only the
> goalposts, but the bleachers and the lime marks on the playing field until
> you're so confused that you just give up.

> While this is a fact, what I wonder is what kind of person does that?
> What's the psychological issue he has called?

> How do you deal with this unhelpful trait (other than to just ignore it)?

As soon as he starts weaseling his way around to try to be right, I stop
reading the thread.


-- 
"If I only had a little humility, I'd be perfect."

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#37498

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-07 14:39 +1100
Message-ID<edb68eFf1enU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37430
Lacopo Ferrari <FerrariLacopoooooooooooospam@acantho.it> wrote 
> Lewis wrote

>> Nospam will *never* admit he was wrong, 
>> no matter how clearly wrong he was.

> This is true that nospam can't admit he's wrong, so he moves 
> not only the goalposts, but the bleachers and the lime marks on 
> the playing field until you're so confused that you just give up.
 
> While this is a fact, what I wonder is what kind of person does that?
> What's the psychological issue he has called?

Pathetic excuse for a lying bullshit artist. 

Just as true of you. 
 
> How do you deal with this unhelpful 
> trait (other than to just ignore it)?

Point out when he is doing that. 

Just as true of you too. 
 

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#37405

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2017-01-05 15:16 -0500
Message-ID<586ea9bc$0$8223$c3e8da3$cc4fe22d@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#37396
On 2017-01-05 13:10, Savageduck wrote:

> I fly enough to know what is available to me in business class and two
> levels of economy in local commuter flights from SLO, flights to and from
> SFO and LAX to ORD, JFK, DTW, MSP, YVR, RHI, CLT, EWR, LHR, ZRH, AMS, CPT,
> JNB, & WND, all in the age of the power hungry traveler. Those fights were
> on United, Northwestern, Delta, Canadian, Alaska, KLM, BA, & SAA. All flown
> in commuter planes, short haul, & long haul with flights as long as 11-12
> hours, and as short as 45 minutes.

Canadian Airlines never had in-seat power in economy. (Or in-seat video
for that matter).

(But it ceased to exist before in-seat power became common/expected).

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#37397

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2017-01-05 18:55 +0000
Message-ID<ed7j5aFipo3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37392
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <ed78sgFg6hnU1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > > Seat power outlets are normally only available
> > > > in (real) business (or higher) class.
> > > 
> > > seat power is available in all cabins on most airlines and has been for
> > > years. the only difference is f/j will have one outlet per seat while
> > > in y, it's shared per aisle/row, which is normally not a problem but
> > > every once in a while can be.
> > 
> >   Your experience must be the odd one out or/and US-centric.
> 
> nope.
> 
> <https://www.seatguru.com/charts/shorthaul_economy.php>
> <https://www.seatguru.com/charts/longhaul_economy.php>
> 
> there are a shitload of airlines with seat power, most of which are
> *not* usa-centric (and the usa-centric airlines fly international
> anyway, so they count either way). 

  Duh! US-centric obviously refers to US *airlines* and their planes,
not just to flights in the US..

  And - as usual - you interpret the data in your typical "I'm right, so
the data must confirm my stance, so the data confirms my stance!". *I*
OTOH see 'shitloads' of (non-US) high(er) quality airlines which do NOT
have seat power on longhaul economy!

> it's true that *short* haul routes are less likely to have seat power,
> but it also doesn't matter since they're short flights. nobody cares if
> a 1 hour flight doesn't have seat power.

  I'm sure that shorthaul covers more than just an hour, but don't let
facts spoil your dilusions.

> it's the long haul flights where it matters, and with laptops lasting
> 8-10 hours or more, it's not a big deal anymore. the days of 3-5 hour
> run time are long, long gone.

  So what you're saying is that - in your parallel universe - there *is*
seat power, but it's not *needed*? Are you sure you actually have some
point somewhere?

> >   As I said - and both Savageduck and Yanis Bernard confirmed, seat/row
> > power outlets are *very* uncommon - to put it mildly - in classes below
> > business class.
> 
> they don't fly very much. nor do you.

  Indeed, we never fly with Pompous Twats R Us!

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#37398

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-01-05 14:13 -0500
Message-ID<050120171413011724%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#37397
In article <ed7j5aFipo3U1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > > > > Seat power outlets are normally only available
> > > > > in (real) business (or higher) class.
> > > > 
> > > > seat power is available in all cabins on most airlines and has been for
> > > > years. the only difference is f/j will have one outlet per seat while
> > > > in y, it's shared per aisle/row, which is normally not a problem but
> > > > every once in a while can be.
> > > 
> > >   Your experience must be the odd one out or/and US-centric.
> > 
> > nope.
> > 
> > <https://www.seatguru.com/charts/shorthaul_economy.php>
> > <https://www.seatguru.com/charts/longhaul_economy.php>
> > 
> > there are a shitload of airlines with seat power, most of which are
> > *not* usa-centric (and the usa-centric airlines fly international
> > anyway, so they count either way). 
> 
>   Duh! US-centric obviously refers to US *airlines* and their planes,
> not just to flights in the US..

you don't say!

>   And - as usual - you interpret the data in your typical "I'm right, so
> the data must confirm my stance, so the data confirms my stance!". *I*
> OTOH see 'shitloads' of (non-US) high(er) quality airlines which do NOT
> have seat power on longhaul economy!

projection.

had you checked the list, you'd see that delta, american and united,
all us-centric and the three largest, have seat power in economy on
most planes.

alaska airlines, also us-centric, doesn't have seat power, but they
aren't a long haul carrier. most of their routes are short haul (mostly 
the west coast & alaska), with a few long haul transcons. on the other
hand, they offer handheld video players, fully charged prior to flight,
so the need for seat power is less than with the majors.

the fact is that seat power is quite common in economy, far more than
you claim it to be.

> > it's true that *short* haul routes are less likely to have seat power,
> > but it also doesn't matter since they're short flights. nobody cares if
> > a 1 hour flight doesn't have seat power.
> 
>   I'm sure that shorthaul covers more than just an hour, but don't let
> facts spoil your dilusions.

completely missing the point.

even if it's 2-3 hours, seat power is not needed when laptops, tablets
and phones that last 10+ hours.

> > it's the long haul flights where it matters, and with laptops lasting
> > 8-10 hours or more, it's not a big deal anymore. the days of 3-5 hour
> > run time are long, long gone.
> 
>   So what you're saying is that - in your parallel universe - there *is*
> seat power, but it's not *needed*? Are you sure you actually have some
> point somewhere?

it was needed far more when laptops could barely manage 3-4 hours per
charge.

these days, with run times of 10-15 hours per charge, it doesn't matter
anymore. 

i suppose it could on a transpac, but even then, it's not as critical
as it once was because part of the flight will be taken up by sleep and
meals. nobody is going to be actually *using* a laptop for 12 hours
straight on a 12 hour flight (and given that some laptops can last 15+
hours, they could still do that). 

> > >   As I said - and both Savageduck and Yanis Bernard confirmed, seat/row
> > > power outlets are *very* uncommon - to put it mildly - in classes below
> > > business class.
> > 
> > they don't fly very much. nor do you.
> 
>   Indeed, we never fly with Pompous Twats R Us!

comments like that show just how much you're grasping.

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#37400

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2017-01-05 19:40 +0000
Message-ID<ed7lq8FjfeeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#37398
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <ed7j5aFipo3U1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > > > > > Seat power outlets are normally only available
> > > > > > in (real) business (or higher) class.
> > > > > 
> > > > > seat power is available in all cabins on most airlines and has been for
> > > > > years. the only difference is f/j will have one outlet per seat while
> > > > > in y, it's shared per aisle/row, which is normally not a problem but
> > > > > every once in a while can be.
> > > > 
> > > >   Your experience must be the odd one out or/and US-centric.
> > > 
> > > nope.
> > > 
> > > <https://www.seatguru.com/charts/shorthaul_economy.php>
> > > <https://www.seatguru.com/charts/longhaul_economy.php>
> > > 
> > > there are a shitload of airlines with seat power, most of which are
> > > *not* usa-centric (and the usa-centric airlines fly international
> > > anyway, so they count either way). 
> > 
> >   Duh! US-centric obviously refers to US *airlines* and their planes,
> > not just to flights in the US..
> 
> you don't say!

  <whoosh>

> >   And - as usual - you interpret the data in your typical "I'm right, so
> > the data must confirm my stance, so the data confirms my stance!". *I*
> > OTOH see 'shitloads' of (non-US) high(er) quality airlines which do NOT
> > have seat power on longhaul economy!
> 
> projection.
> 
> had you checked the list, you'd see that delta, american and united,
> all us-centric and the three largest, have seat power in economy on
> most planes.

  Which proves *my* point (which is that your stance was/is US-centric).

> alaska airlines, also us-centric, doesn't have seat power, but they
> aren't a long haul carrier. most of their routes are short haul (mostly 
> the west coast & alaska), with a few long haul transcons. on the other
> hand, they offer handheld video players, fully charged prior to flight,
> so the need for seat power is less than with the majors.

  Yawn! (Translation: One gigantic red-herring.)

> the fact is that seat power is quite common in economy, far more than
> you claim it to be.

  Sorry pal, but it's plural "you" and you're outnumbered.

> > > it's true that *short* haul routes are less likely to have seat power,
> > > but it also doesn't matter since they're short flights. nobody cares if
> > > a 1 hour flight doesn't have seat power.
> > 
> >   I'm sure that shorthaul covers more than just an hour, but don't let
> > facts spoil your dilusions.
> 
> completely missing the point.

  You wish.

> even if it's 2-3 hours, seat power is not needed when laptops, tablets
> and phones that last 10+ hours.

  Exactly, and that's why - as we said - somewhat modern(ized) planes
doesn't have it (in economy).

> > > it's the long haul flights where it matters, and with laptops lasting
> > > 8-10 hours or more, it's not a big deal anymore. the days of 3-5 hour
> > > run time are long, long gone.
> > 
> >   So what you're saying is that - in your parallel universe - there *is*
> > seat power, but it's not *needed*? Are you sure you actually have some
> > point somewhere?
> 
> it was needed far more when laptops could barely manage 3-4 hours per
> charge.

  You don't say!

[...]

> > > >   As I said - and both Savageduck and Yanis Bernard confirmed, seat/row
> > > > power outlets are *very* uncommon - to put it mildly - in classes below
> > > > business class.
> > > 
> > > they don't fly very much. nor do you.
> > 
> >   Indeed, we never fly with Pompous Twats R Us!
> 
> comments like that show just how much you're grasping.

  Well, "they don't fly very much. nor do you" is clearly your usual
baseless pompous twat speak, so if anyone is grasping, it's clearly you.

  QED. HTH. HAND. EOD. NT.

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#37402

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-01-05 14:55 -0500
Message-ID<050120171455324796%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#37400
In article <ed7lq8FjfeeU1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> 
> > >   And - as usual - you interpret the data in your typical "I'm right, so
> > > the data must confirm my stance, so the data confirms my stance!". *I*
> > > OTOH see 'shitloads' of (non-US) high(er) quality airlines which do NOT
> > > have seat power on longhaul economy!
> > 
> > projection.
> > 
> > had you checked the list, you'd see that delta, american and united,
> > all us-centric and the three largest, have seat power in economy on
> > most planes.
> 
>   Which proves *my* point (which is that your stance was/is US-centric).

it's not, but it doesn't matter.

any time anyone says something contrary to your stubborn beliefs, you
spew the us-centric bullshit.

the reality is that both us and non-us airlines have seat power in
economy. not every single plane, but i never said every single plane,
every airline, guaranteed on all flights.

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#37409

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2017-01-05 15:32 -0500
Message-ID<586ead67$0$40980$b1db1813$e2fc9064@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#37402
On 2017-01-05 14:55, nospam wrote:

> the reality is that both us and non-us airlines have seat power in
> economy. not every single plane, but i never said every single plane,
> every airline, guaranteed on all flights.


The US is or was different. There was a large number of very old
aircraft such as DC9s, MD80s and early 737s which airlines which
remainied in operation for much longer than they should have and
airlines didn't upgrade interiors because they knew those planes were on
their way out. It took longer than expected to replace them due to all
the big airlines wasting a couple years in bankrupctcy protection, and
then going through mergers.

Note that Southwest does not offer in seat power, even on planes
equipped with Wi-Fi internet.

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#37411

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-01-05 16:00 -0500
Message-ID<050120171600439484%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#37409
In article <586ead67$0$40980$b1db1813$e2fc9064@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> > the reality is that both us and non-us airlines have seat power in
> > economy. not every single plane, but i never said every single plane,
> > every airline, guaranteed on all flights.
> 
> The US is or was different. There was a large number of very old
> aircraft such as DC9s, MD80s and early 737s which airlines which
> remainied in operation for much longer than they should have and
> airlines didn't upgrade interiors because they knew those planes were on
> their way out. It took longer than expected to replace them due to all
> the big airlines wasting a couple years in bankrupctcy protection, and
> then going through mergers.

all of aa's md80s and 737s have seat power and have for *years*. 

there was a brief time about fifteen years ago when just after aa
bought twa, aa coded flights on previously twa planes didn't have seat
power. after a year or two, those old planes were refurbed to aa-level
interiors and gained seat power along with other amenities (those twa
planes were *awful*). savvy travelers could tell in advance which plane
they'd get.

> Note that Southwest does not offer in seat power, even on planes
> equipped with Wi-Fi internet.

they don't offer advance seat selection either.

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#37414

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2017-01-05 16:43 -0500
Message-ID<586ebe03$0$25246$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#37411
On 2017-01-05 16:00, nospam wrote:

> all of aa's md80s and 737s have seat power and have for *years*. 

The 737s are new to American. (and 320s either from parent US Airways,
or from its most recent order for both 737s and 320s).

Thought it had finished getting rid of its DC-9s (aka: MD80s) but it
appears they still have some.

(Interesting that they list the Dash-8s are "de-Havilland" as that
company has been part fo Bombardier sicne last century.


On its older aircraft, iun seat power not availabe on every row, only
select rows have them
> https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/experience/entertainment/wi-fi-and-connectivity.jsp

##
So you can stay productive in the air, you'll find power outlets at
every First and Business Class seat, and on our new planes, power at
every seat in the Main Cabin. Other aircraft have power in select rows
of the Main Cabin - just look for the lightning bolt symbol on the
overhead bins. You’ll also find USB ports on select aircraft and all new
planes include USB ports and power outlets at every seat.
Type of power you can expect

Most of our planes feature AC power outlets and those that offer DC
power are in the process of being converted. In the meantime, you can
use a DC-to-AC adaptor on select flights if you’re in First or Business
Class. Simply ask your flight attendant for an adaptor.
##

Looks like they still have some EmPower junk in older planes.

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#37417

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-01-05 16:59 -0500
Message-ID<050120171659351396%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#37414
In article <586ebe03$0$25246$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Thought it had finished getting rid of its DC-9s (aka: MD80s) but it
> appears they still have some.

dc9 and md80 are not the same.

> (Interesting that they list the Dash-8s are "de-Havilland" as that
> company has been part fo Bombardier sicne last century.

not really.

> On its older aircraft, iun seat power not availabe on every row, only
> select rows have them

for aa, it was every row ahead of the exit row and alternating rows
behind it. it was also easy to choose one's seat accordingly.

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#37419

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2017-01-05 18:10 -0500
Message-ID<586ed258$0$34615$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#37417
On 2017-01-05 16:59, nospam wrote:

> dc9 and md80 are not the same.

Actually the same type rating.  MD80 was a new version of DC9 produced
after McDonnell merged with Douglas and wanted name change.

Uses a variant of the original JT8D engine, with more power and less
noise. And has longer fuselage as a result of the more powerful engines.

(The same type rating was maintained for the MD90 and the MD95 which was
renamed Boeing 717 after Boeing bought McDonell Douglas, and kept
production to fulfil the order book then shut it down).

McD did similar thing with DC-10, creating the MD-11, but did not keep
same type rating because of the change from 3 to 2 crew cockpit.
(keeping type rating requires cockpit be functionally maintained (glass
displays can replace analogue ones, but must show same stuff for instance).

MD80s basically have very early generation jet engines that burn 20%
more fuel than current jets. (and even more than new generation such as
C Series with geared turbofan).

I am guessing drop in oil price gace AA more time to retire these fuel
guzzlers. Also, as I recall, during its Chapter 11 and subquent purchase
by America West/US Airways, it delayed deliveries for its 737s meant to
replace the MD80s.


I woudl not expect updated interiors on those aircraft as they are most
liekly next in line to disappear.

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#37420

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2017-01-05 18:17 -0500
Message-ID<050120171817472903%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#37419
In article <586ed258$0$34615$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> > dc9 and md80 are not the same.
> 
> Actually the same type rating.  MD80 was a new version of DC9 produced
> after McDonnell merged with Douglas and wanted name change.

still different planes.

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#37426

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2017-01-05 19:35 -0500
Message-ID<586ee671$0$57950$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#37420
On 2017-01-05 18:17, nospam wrote:

>> Actually the same type rating.  MD80 was a new version of DC9 produced
>> after McDonnell merged with Douglas and wanted name change.
> 
> still different planes.

At regulatory level, not different, just a variant of the DC-9. This
means it inherits grandfatered regulations from the 1960s instead of
more stringent 1980s ones.

As an example, the A321, being born in late 1980s has had to have 2
overwing exits (or a full door) to meet the then current standards,
while the 737-800/900 didn't because they could keep the 1960s
regulations that required fewer exits per passenger.

(Until Europe stepped in and forced Boeing to implement the new exit
regulations ifr it wanted to be approved in europe).

The MD80 was also a DC-9 from a pilot certification point of view. If
you were trained on DC-9, you can switch to MD80 with minor "variant"
traning, whereeas switching from 737 to MD80 requires full type training.

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#37408

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2017-01-05 12:24 -0800
Message-ID<o4ma1k$193$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37398
On 1/5/2017 11:13 AM, nospam wrote:

> the fact is that seat power is quite common in economy, far more than
> you claim it to be.

Yeah, it's quite common now in economy. I remember when I was flying a 
lot for business and they let us fly business class for international 
flights, and I had to have an EmPower adapter. Now there's 120V outlets 
even in economy on most planes, except for the budget airlines like 
Spirit (if they could figure out how to charge for it, no pun intended, 
they might add it!). Even Wow Air has some sort of power outlet but they 
don't describe it very well, calling it "universal."


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