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| Started by | "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> |
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| First post | 2016-12-31 13:01 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-01-04 15:14 -0500 |
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Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2016-12-31 13:01 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-31 13:08 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2016-12-31 13:27 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-31 13:47 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2016-12-31 12:15 -0700
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 17:01 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 00:54 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 22:03 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-31 20:58 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-12-31 21:02 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-01 00:07 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2017-01-01 20:21 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-01 20:57 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 03:01 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 03:08 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-03 04:37 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 13:10 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-03 14:02 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 14:42 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 05:02 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2016-12-31 14:21 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2016-12-31 19:57 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2016-12-31 14:20 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2016-12-31 23:29 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 18:02 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-12-31 15:49 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 01:00 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-12-31 20:26 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 00:54 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-01 14:30 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 18:50 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2017-01-01 19:47 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-01 20:20 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2017-01-01 20:59 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-01 21:34 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 03:18 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 18:51 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 11:56 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 03:06 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-01 14:14 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 18:49 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-01 20:43 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 03:23 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:47 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 14:23 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 12:02 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 16:15 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 02:48 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 03:04 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 02:48 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 16:00 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-04 06:05 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 01:51 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-05 01:54 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-05 09:49 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 00:06 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 00:23 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-06 19:48 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-06 20:51 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-07 13:36 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 13:47 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-07 13:37 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 13:47 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 20:50 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-07 13:49 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 14:05 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 20:37 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 15:40 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-07 21:40 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 18:23 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-08 17:03 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2017-01-07 23:23 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-07 18:45 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-08 00:59 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-08 22:32 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2017-01-09 15:23 +0000
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-09 10:30 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 04:33 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 02:48 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 18:14 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 20:55 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-03 21:00 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 02:48 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 18:05 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-03 08:41 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 06:01 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 21:04 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 20:57 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-03 21:00 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 04:19 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 10:03 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 21:09 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-03 21:18 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 04:26 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 10:03 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2017-01-03 05:54 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 20:48 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2017-01-03 05:48 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 04:30 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2017-01-07 22:06 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Ken1943 <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-31 11:27 -0700
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2016-12-31 19:57 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2016-12-31 14:36 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2016-12-31 23:29 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 18:12 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 00:54 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2017-01-03 16:09 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-31 19:38 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 12:37 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2016-12-31 23:29 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-31 20:58 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 14:02 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2016-12-31 14:53 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 03:46 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2016-12-31 23:29 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 18:25 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 00:54 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 22:20 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 12:12 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 02:34 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-12-31 14:08 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 04:17 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 08:30 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 13:23 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-03 18:18 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 17:58 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 03:59 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-04 20:28 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 23:29 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-03 21:56 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2016-12-31 16:11 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2016-12-31 23:29 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-12-31 19:58 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 02:35 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 10:35 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-02 12:28 -0700
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2017-01-02 12:05 -0800
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 16:16 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2017-01-03 11:24 +0100
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2016-12-31 17:02 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2017-01-03 03:37 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-03 13:27 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2017-01-03 16:21 -0500
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-03 19:04 -0600
Re: Free texting and calling via WiFi? "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> - 2017-01-04 15:14 -0500
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| From | M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 03:37 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <4vrm6c9l7csirssfjrimimmch20o8jgh59@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #37105 |
>Get a free Google Voice account. That gives you an actual phone number >to which you can receive calls and also make them. > >Install the Google Voice app on the smartphone and configure it. If you >want every callee to see your Google Voice number (instead of the >Voice2Go number mentioned below) then configure the Google Voice app to >handle all outbound calls. > >Then install the Google Hangouts Dialer app. The Google Voice app is used to cloak the caller ID of your cellular number. No need to use the Google Voice app in conjunction with Hangouts since Hangouts will always display your GV number as caller ID.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 13:27 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ed2c8hF9qj9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #37214 |
"M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>Get a free Google Voice account. That gives you an actual phone number
>>to which you can receive calls and also make them.
>>
>>Install the Google Voice app on the smartphone and configure it. If you
>>want every callee to see your Google Voice number (instead of the
>>Voice2Go number mentioned below) then configure the Google Voice app to
>>handle all outbound calls.
>>
>>Then install the Google Hangouts Dialer app.
>
> The Google Voice app is used to cloak the caller ID of your cellular
> number. No need to use the Google Voice app in conjunction with
> Hangouts since Hangouts will always display your GV number as caller
> ID.
You are correct regarding wifi-only calls (through Hangouts). Any call
made using a wi-fi dialer will not involve the Google Voice app. When I
use the Hangouts Dialer app to make a wi-fi call, the callee sees my
Google Voice phone number. When I use Comcast's Connect app to make a
wi-fi call, the callee sees my Comcast Voice2Go phone number. I'm using
those apps to directly connect to an Internet-based service. The Google
Voice app will not be involved in those calls so, yes, the Google Voice
app is not required when making wi-fi calls plus it will not mask my
caller ID for those wi-fi calls.
Unlike the son of the OP's friend, I do have cellular service and that
is where Google Voice is helpful. Google does its Caller ID magic (to
make the callee see my Google Voice number) by having its Google Voice
app connect to a Google POP (Point of Presence) at a telco. The Google
Voice app does not directly call the callee. Instead it calls the
Google POP which then calls the callee. That is how Google masks my
real phone number with the one in my Google Voice account so the callee
sees my Google Voice phone number in the CID data instead of my real
phone number on my end of the call. You can see this when using the
Google Voice app. I will call, say, Mark at xxx-xxx-xxxx who is in
Maine but the Google Voice app shows that I am calling mmm-mmm-mmmm to
some Google POP over in Alabama. Unless my telco or cellular provider
has an option to alter my CID data (not likely unless I go hunting for
such a provider), the CID data has to be modified at the POP for the
callee to see what I want them to see. There are such CID altering
services available, at a fee, that you can find online. Since I'm using
a free Google Voice service with free apps, I'm not wasting money for an
online service to utilize their POP to alter my CID data. I'm not
trying to hide or lie, just have callees see my 40-year old phone number
that has been transferred to each phone company and cellular provider
that I've had and then transfered it to Google Voice so it could call
all my phones regardless of what are their current numbers. So I use
the Google Voice because I do have cellular service. The son of the
OP's friend won't need that app since, as you mentioned, using a wi-fi
dialer (any of them) will exclude using the Google Voice app.
Another reason I use the Google Voice app is that it returns a prompt
that Google took away as of Android 4.3 (although there is some info
pointing at 4.2.2). Each dialer can register itself and get presented
in an intervening prompt dialog asking which dialer you want to use. As
long as you never click Always (to always use the same dialer), you will
get the prompt asking for the dialer of several that you want to use for
each call. I want that prompt because I have 3 wi-fi dialers: Hangouts
Dialer (with it reporting my Google Voice phone number), Comcast Connect
(with it using my Voice2Go phone number), and Skype (which actually has
a phone number for 60 minutes/month as part of the Office 365
subscription). I also do have cellular service, so Phone appears in the
prompt as an option when making an outbound call. For each call, I get
a choice on how to make that call: one of 3 choices for wi-fi calling or
1 choice for cellular. If I happen to have wi-fi available (and only if
it is free) then I'll probably use wi-fi to make an outbound call.
However, coverage for wi-fi is a hell of lot less than for cellular
coverage so wi-fi won't always be available wherever I happen to be to
make or receive calls. As of Android 4.3, I won't get a prompt asking
which dialer to use. That sucks. Google took it away. Peculiarly,
adding the Google Voice app to intervene with outbound calls gives me
back that prompt. Until I make a choice, Google Voice won't know which
dialer I will be using.
For more info on the multi-dialer prompt ("Complete action using"
dialog), see:
Issue 58097: Calling from a contact always uses system dialer,
doesn't offer to choose 3rd-party app like Skype
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=58097
While the bug was closed as Obsolete, it was never fixed. Google
decided to make a behavioral change and they aren't going back nor are
they saying why they won't return the prior functionality. This is
hardly the first time that Google has taken away a function in the next
version of Android. Another was for call blocking on texts. I have
apps, like Hiya (was Whitepages Caller ID) that can block text sources
but not after Android version 4.4.4 Kitkat. Android took away the
function needed to do that. You get other such apps, like TrueCaller,
claiming they can do both blocking on calls and texts but they neglect
to warn you that blocking on text source became undoable as of Android
4.4.4. For a short blurb exposing Google's choice to remove the
function, see:
https://hiya.com/faq/android
"Why can't I block messages?"
Google's Voice app un-did what Google did in Android 4.3 (where I first
noticed it but looks like 4.2.2 was when the screwed up change first
appeared) regarding removal of the multi-dialer prompt. Some
suggestions were to install the ExDialer app or an Xposed module; i.e.,
add something that was taken away by Google in their Android OS. I
didn't want another contact manager. I had a Google Voice account and
had not yet used Hangouts (because its Dialer companion app wasn't
available back then) so it made sense to use the Google Voice app with a
Google Voice account which coincidentally re-added the missing
multi-dialer prompt. Writing apps that depend on a critical Android
function is coding for a moving target.
One user (rene) in the above bug thread said clearing defaults gave him
back the multi-dialer prompt. However, that means he selected Always at
some time to pick a default. I have never clicked Always so none of the
multiple dialers is selected as the default dialer. Rene never bothered
to give details on his smartphone and its Android version. It looks
like Google decided later to correct the missing multi-dialer prompt but
there are several versions of Android that exhibit the bug.
Of course, if the son of the OP's friend is only going to do wi-fi
calling (which means the son must be in range of a wi-fi hotspot), never
has or uses more than one dialer, and never gets cellular service then
the son doesn't need a prompt asking which dialer to use and won't need
CID masking for cellular calls the son can never make.
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| From | "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 16:21 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o4h4ij$tvq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #37105 |
"VanguardLH" wrote in message news:ecqrohFesq0U1@mid.individual.net... > >TomR <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> wrote: > >> My friend has a young son with an Android phone, but with no paid phone >> service on the phone. My friend also has Cable Internet with a WiFi >> modem >> at home. >You should also check who is the ISP at his home. If Comcast, they have >their own wi-fi app to make calls (to and from phone numbers, not just >VOIP users). The problem is that a phone number has to be assigned to >his member account at Comcast. Since he is not paying for Comcast, get >his parent(s) to create a Comcast member account for him (if he does not >yet have one) which lets him have his own e-mail account there. Once he >has a member account, have the owner go under voice settings in their >account to create a new Voice2Go phone number. This is free. An owner >can create up to 6 Voice2Go numbers. You have to wait after issuing the >request for it to change from Pend status to Assigned status. Then the >owner can assign one, or more, of the available non-pending Voice2Go >numbers to the owner account or to any of the member accounts. If that >account is ever deleted, the Voice2Go number assigned to it is lost, >too. > >After getting the Comcast/Xfinity account configured to add to it a >Voice2Go number, install Comcast's Connect app where you can do texting. >When making an outbound phone call, a prompt will appear asking which >dialer you want to use to actually make the call. Select the Connect >app to make a wi-fi call. Incoming calls to the Voice2Go number will >ring the app. Voice2Go includes voicemail, too. > >If you are never going to add cellular voice service to the phone, when >the prompt appears asking which dialer to use then select the Connect >app and tap on the Always button. That will eliminate seeing the prompt >each time; however, you will have to clear the app's data (and have to >reenter your account login) if you ever want the prompt to reappear. > >When I make a call, I get an intervening prompt asking if I want to use >Phone (built-in cellular phone service), Connect (Comcast's wi-fi), or >Google Voice (wi-fi calling). I do NOT click on Always because instead >I always want to see the prompt of which dialer and access method to >use. Even if I have cellular phone service and get a good signal >wherever I happen to be, I might want to save on my cellular call >minutes by using wi-fi if available. I don't bother with overpriced >unlimited calling plans. I use Tracfone whose unused minutes rollover >(as long as I keep an account open with them). I don't make that many >calls so I always have lots of unused minutes to rollover into the next >subscription. So the parents could get a Tracfone account for their kid >and not pay much but the kid could save those limited minutes for more >important calls and use wi-fi calling to make/receive calls - but that >only works if he is in range of a wi-fi hotspot. He has a hotspot at >home but when away from home there are lots of free wi-fi hotspots. >They are not as pervasive as cellular coverage and why having some >cellular call time would still help, like when the kid has an emergency >and needs to call home or anytime he is not in wi-fi range. > >With wi-fi calling (not VOIPing), I use little of my cellular call >minutes, so I get a lot of rollover with Tracfone. In fact, at my home, >I have to use wi-fi calling. Signal strength at home for cellular voice >is way too weak. I don't get incoming calls and outbound calls are >unreliable (might not be able to start a call or it cuts up or >disconnects during the call). So wi-fi calling using Google Voice and >Hangouts Dialer is how I do cell phone calling via wi-fi from home. I'd >have to install a tall antenna and amplifer costing several hundred >dollars to maybe get a better cellular signal at home. Don't need to >waste the money and instead use free Google Voice service with the >Google Voice and Hangouts Dialer apps on the smartphone and, as a >backup, also have a Voice2Go number assigned to my Comcast account and >use their Connect app on the smartphone. I have 2 means of wi-fi >calling (in and out) which connects to phone numbers. > >VOIP limits me to other users with VOIP apps. I did have the Skype app >installed along with a Microsoft (Outlook.com) account. The number of >folks that also had Skype that I wanted to talk with was a very small >community (less than the fingers on one hand) so it got little use. >Because it got used so little meant I was clumsy at using it. I did buy >3 years of Office 365 subscription which gives me something like 60 >minutes of free calling (to phone numbers, not just VOIP) per month but >I never ended up using it. The other above mentioned wi-fi calling >setups were easier to use. Without the included phone minutes, all I'd >get with Skype is VOIP and that doesn't interest me nor do I know many >folks (that I want to talk with) that have Skype. I used to leave Skype >installed as yet another backup wi-fi phone calling setup; however, I >grew weary of it always crashing soon after powering up the smartphone >(I'd get a message that com.<something>.skype had stopped which meant it >was useless), so I uninstalled it. I really didn't need a 3rd wi-fi >calling option, especially one with limited minutes per month, when I >had 2 free and unlimited wi-fi calling options (Google Voice, Comcast). Thanks. I'll have to check that out. The kid's father does have Comcast/Xfinity Internet service and WiFi. But, the Comcast account does not have a phone number associated with it. So, I am not sure if Comcast will allow them to add a "Voice2Go" phone number if they don't already have a primary Comcast phone number. But, sometime, I may try that anyway and see what happens. -- I found this free and safe Windows Live Mail Newsreader QuoteFix program: WLMail QuoteFix -> http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2017-01-03 19:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <ed300jFej2oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #37243 |
TomR <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> wrote: > The kid's father does have > Comcast/Xfinity Internet service and WiFi. But, the Comcast account does > not have a phone number associated with it. From what I understand, you do not need to subscribe to Comcast's Voice (VOIP) service. You just need an account with them. Voice2Go phone numbers are independent of any phone number, if any, already on the Comcast account. First you need to submit a request to get a Voice2Go phone number. Then you wait. Supposedly they send an e-mail notifying you the status of the request has changed from Pending to Assigned (or maybe it's Assignable since it still has been assigned to a particular admin/owner or member account yet). You can check on status of the Voice2Go request. Once it is Assign(ed|able) then you can assign it to an account within your Comcast account. The admin or owner account has to issue the Voice2Go request and the owner account has to assign the Voice2Go number to the owner or member account. Once you assign the Voice2Go number to an account, you then have to install their Connect app and go through the setup there. No actual phone gets called for inbound calls to the Voice2Go app. It's a pseudo phone number. Incoming calls from any source will connect to the member account having that Voice2Go number. Only by having their Connect app installed and connecting to your account will Comcast ring the Connect app via Internet (and to your smartphone via wi-fi). If you don't install their Connect app, the Voice2Go number has no purpose (unless you want to configure it as a voicemail-only service and have e-mail alerts tell you there are new voicemail messages). You can use any wi-fi hotspot with Comcast's Connect app; however, it will go over the Internet to connect to your Comcast account. Voice2Go phone numbers can be assigned to member accounts. Presumably the kid's parents created a member (secondary) account for their kid to use to keep his e-mail separate from theirs. If the kid has not been assigned a member account, the parents will have to do so. Then after their request to get a Voice2Go number changes from Pending to Assigned is when they can assign the new Voice2Go number to their kid's member account. https://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/phone/voice-2go-faqs/ https://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/phone/create-voice2go-numbers/ https://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/phone/activate-voice-2go/ I did not check that the web navigation mentioned in their help pages matches their new and changed "My Account" web pages. If you can't figure it out, use their Chat line to get them to guide you through the process or do it for you. Just remember that wi-fi hotspots have no where the same geographical coverage as does cellular service. If the kid isn't near a wi-fi hotspot then he cannot make wi-fi based calls (and also not receive them). Not all wi-fi hotspots are free. There are apps to tell you where are the wi-fi hotspots and which are free and which are paid (or private). The parent might want to reconsider not paying for their kid's cellular service. What if the kid needs to call home but there are no free wi-fi hotspots around? They could use Tracfone to limit their costs. If the kid consumed the quota then the kid is shit out of luck until the parents buy some more quota. If the parents add a cellular service to the kid's phone, make sure the kid knows not to eat up his data minutes with Internet-facing apps. Something like Google Maps, especially when used for verbalized directions, can quickly eat up minutes, and anything video related will suck up the limited data minutes. Some apps can be configured to NOT allow cellular data access; i.e., they can be forced into wifi-only mode. In the Android's Settings -> Application Manager -> Data Usage, change the setting to show both Mobile and Wi-Fi usage. When Mobile is selected for view, scroll down to each app and tap on it to show its configurable properties. One of them is "Restrict background data". If enabled, that app cannot use cellular data access to the Internet. It can only use a wi-fi connection to get to the Internet. As an example, I had enabled the "Restrict backgkround data" on the weather widget. I was only looking at the weather info when I was at home or at work both of which had wi-fi hotspots defined so the smartphone automatically connect to them. I didn't see the need to waste cellular data minutes on weather when wi-fi was available. Then I went on a 300-mile trip to attend a wedding. I was wondering why I wasn't seeing any weather info in the widget. It was a November wedding so knowing the weather was important since it was to be an outdoor wedding. We got lucky that the day of the wedding got sunny and much warmer. Eventually I realized that I had disabled cellular data access to the weather app. I disabled that option and, voila, the weather app updated - but it had to use cellular data minutes to do that. The resort was in the boonies and there definitely wasn't any wi-fi hotspots around (closest was about 12 miles away). So you can restrict apps to be wi-fi only. That way, the kid having a limited quota of cellular time paid by his parents wouldn't be wasting the data minutes. Of course, maybe his parents already pay for cellular service on a cheap dumb flip/bar phone that they expect the kid to use when away from home.
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| From | "TomR" <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> |
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| Date | 2017-01-04 15:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o4jl12$phr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #37253 |
"VanguardLH" wrote in message news:ed300jFej2oU1@mid.individual.net... > >TomR <TomR@TomRhjghgl.ncm> wrote: > >> The kid's father does have >> Comcast/Xfinity Internet service and WiFi. But, the Comcast account does >> not have a phone number associated with it. > >From what I understand, you do not need to subscribe to Comcast's Voice >(VOIP) service. You just need an account with them. Voice2Go phone >numbers are independent of any phone number, if any, already on the >Comcast account. > >First you need to submit a request to get a Voice2Go phone number. Then >you wait. Supposedly they send an e-mail notifying you the status of >the request has changed from Pending to Assigned (or maybe it's >Assignable since it still has been assigned to a particular admin/owner >or member account yet). You can check on status of the Voice2Go >request. Once it is Assign(ed|able) then you can assign it to an >account within your Comcast account. The admin or owner account has to >issue the Voice2Go request and the owner account has to assign the >Voice2Go number to the owner or member account. Once you assign the >Voice2Go number to an account, you then have to install their Connect >app and go through the setup there. > >No actual phone gets called for inbound calls to the Voice2Go app. It's >a pseudo phone number. Incoming calls from any source will connect to >the member account having that Voice2Go number. Only by having their >Connect app installed and connecting to your account will Comcast ring >the Connect app via Internet (and to your smartphone via wi-fi). If you >don't install their Connect app, the Voice2Go number has no purpose >(unless you want to configure it as a voicemail-only service and have >e-mail alerts tell you there are new voicemail messages). > >You can use any wi-fi hotspot with Comcast's Connect app; however, it >will go over the Internet to connect to your Comcast account. Voice2Go >phone numbers can be assigned to member accounts. Presumably the kid's >parents created a member (secondary) account for their kid to use to >keep his e-mail separate from theirs. If the kid has not been assigned >a member account, the parents will have to do so. Then after their >request to get a Voice2Go number changes from Pending to Assigned is >when they can assign the new Voice2Go number to their kid's member >account. > >https://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/phone/voice-2go-faqs/ >https://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/phone/create-voice2go-numbers/ >https://customer.xfinity.com/help-and-support/phone/activate-voice-2go/ > >I did not check that the web navigation mentioned in their help pages >matches their new and changed "My Account" web pages. If you can't >figure it out, use their Chat line to get them to guide you through the >process or do it for you. > >Just remember that wi-fi hotspots have no where the same geographical >coverage as does cellular service. If the kid isn't near a wi-fi >hotspot then he cannot make wi-fi based calls (and also not receive >them). Not all wi-fi hotspots are free. There are apps to tell you >where are the wi-fi hotspots and which are free and which are paid (or >private). The parent might want to reconsider not paying for their >kid's cellular service. What if the kid needs to call home but there >are no free wi-fi hotspots around? They could use Tracfone to limit >their costs. If the kid consumed the quota then the kid is shit out of >luck until the parents buy some more quota. > >If the parents add a cellular service to the kid's phone, make sure the >kid knows not to eat up his data minutes with Internet-facing apps. >Something like Google Maps, especially when used for verbalized >directions, can quickly eat up minutes, and anything video related will >suck up the limited data minutes. Some apps can be configured to NOT >allow cellular data access; i.e., they can be forced into wifi-only >mode. In the Android's Settings -> Application Manager -> Data Usage, >change the setting to show both Mobile and Wi-Fi usage. When Mobile is >selected for view, scroll down to each app and tap on it to show its >configurable properties. One of them is "Restrict background data". If >enabled, that app cannot use cellular data access to the Internet. It >can only use a wi-fi connection to get to the Internet. > >As an example, I had enabled the "Restrict backgkround data" on the >weather widget. I was only looking at the weather info when I was at >home or at work both of which had wi-fi hotspots defined so the >smartphone automatically connect to them. I didn't see the need to >waste cellular data minutes on weather when wi-fi was available. Then I >went on a 300-mile trip to attend a wedding. I was wondering why I >wasn't seeing any weather info in the widget. It was a November wedding >so knowing the weather was important since it was to be an outdoor >wedding. We got lucky that the day of the wedding got sunny and much >warmer. Eventually I realized that I had disabled cellular data access >to the weather app. I disabled that option and, voila, the weather app >updated - but it had to use cellular data minutes to do that. The >resort was in the boonies and there definitely wasn't any wi-fi hotspots >around (closest was about 12 miles away). So you can restrict apps to >be wi-fi only. That way, the kid having a limited quota of cellular >time paid by his parents wouldn't be wasting the data minutes. Of >course, maybe his parents already pay for cellular service on a cheap >dumb flip/bar phone that they expect the kid to use when away from home. Thanks. I printed that out and I will try it when I get a chance and have access to their phones and Comcast account info etc. -- I found this free and safe Windows Live Mail Newsreader QuoteFix program: WLMail QuoteFix -> http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/
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