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  To root or not to root, that is my question micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-11-12 01:06 -0500
    Re: To root or not to root, that is my question Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2016-11-12 09:31 -0500
    Re: To root or not to root, that is my question "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-12 16:57 +0100
      Re: To root or not to root, that is my question M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-15 07:21 -0600
        Re: To root or not to root, that is my question Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-11-16 09:28 +0000
          Re: To root or not to root, that is my question M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-17 04:36 -0600
            Re: To root or not to root, that is my question "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-17 20:38 +0100
              Re: To root or not to root, that is my question M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-17 17:37 -0600
                Re: To root or not to root, that is my question "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-18 18:56 +0100
                  Re: To root or not to root, that is my question micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-11-18 22:33 -0500
            Re: To root or not to root, that is my question micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-11-17 16:58 -0500
              Re: To root or not to root, that is my question M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-17 17:32 -0600
                Re: To root or not to root, that is my question micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-11-18 22:34 -0500
    Re: To root or not to root, that is my question Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2016-11-12 18:50 +0000
      Re: To root or not to root, that is my question David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-11-13 10:02 +0000
        Re: To root or not to root, that is my question Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-13 11:43 +0100
        Re: To root or not to root, that is my question Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-11-13 10:49 +0000
          Re: To root or not to root, that is my question micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2016-11-13 16:25 -0500
      Re: To root or not to root, that is my question tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-11-14 02:54 -0500
        Re: To root or not to root, that is my question I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-17 17:18 +0000

#35844 — To root or not to root, that is my question

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but maybe my question is a
little different. 

To root or not to root. 

Even though I do a lor of things to the PC that others don't know how or
would be afraid to do, and I never caused myself a problem (until last
August), early on, something I read made rooting a phone seem very
dangerous, that one could slip and screw up the phone.  

Even the "Root Android without PC" app says bricking is possible. 

The author of that app gives disadvantages and advantages.  The
advantages include increasing battery pack, improvign performanc and
enhancing speed of the OS, enhancing the visual experience.   
     Now am I right that NONE of these things happen just because of
rooting?  Something added has to be done to get each of them,    Things
I almost surely won't do. 

He also lists removing inbuilt system apps to boost internal storage.
Iirc I have 1 gig internal and 64 gigs on SD.  The first root programs
were probably written when internal was much less, and getting rid of
internal programs to make space woudl be less important because of that,
right?  But OTOH it would be more important because  there are so many
more internal programs now, and they keep wanting to update themselves,
which I find annoying. (8 programs are pending now!)  Most of them I
will never, ever use.    So if I could figure out how to delete them,
would the updating also stop, or is that directed from some place
outside the app?  If so, if I can find the list after the appss are
deleted, maybe I can find the list without having to delete them, and
just stop the updating. 

The only real reason I wanted to root is that I was once stuck in an
airport all night and the airport wifi only worked for me for an hour.
I found someone else and to entertain ourselves, we used his laptop
together for another hour and then the wifi shut down for him too.  So
we tried to sleep.   I understand with a rooted computer I could go all
night if this happened again.    I guess it's not likely to happen
again, but if I had the chance to be prepared and I didnt' take it, I'd
be annoyed at myself. 

So should I root.  Is it that dangerous? 

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#35851

On 11/12/16 1:06 AM, micky wrote:
> I'm sure this has been discussed before, but maybe my question is a
> little different.
>
> To root or not to root.
>
> Even though I do a lor of things to the PC that others don't know how or
> would be afraid to do, and I never caused myself a problem (until last
> August), early on, something I read made rooting a phone seem very
> dangerous, that one could slip and screw up the phone.
>
> Even the "Root Android without PC" app says bricking is possible.
>
> The author of that app gives disadvantages and advantages.  The
> advantages include increasing battery pack, improvign performanc and
> enhancing speed of the OS, enhancing the visual experience.
>      Now am I right that NONE of these things happen just because of
> rooting?  Something added has to be done to get each of them,    Things
> I almost surely won't do.
>
> He also lists removing inbuilt system apps to boost internal storage.
> Iirc I have 1 gig internal and 64 gigs on SD.  The first root programs
> were probably written when internal was much less, and getting rid of
> internal programs to make space woudl be less important because of that,
> right?  But OTOH it would be more important because  there are so many
> more internal programs now, and they keep wanting to update themselves,
> which I find annoying. (8 programs are pending now!)  Most of them I
> will never, ever use.    So if I could figure out how to delete them,
> would the updating also stop, or is that directed from some place
> outside the app?  If so, if I can find the list after the appss are
> deleted, maybe I can find the list without having to delete them, and
> just stop the updating.
>
> The only real reason I wanted to root is that I was once stuck in an
> airport all night and the airport wifi only worked for me for an hour.
> I found someone else and to entertain ourselves, we used his laptop
> together for another hour and then the wifi shut down for him too.  So
> we tried to sleep.   I understand with a rooted computer I could go all
> night if this happened again.    I guess it's not likely to happen
> again, but if I had the chance to be prepared and I didnt' take it, I'd
> be annoyed at myself.
>
> So should I root.  Is it that dangerous?
>

Yeah, like the Nike slogan says, just do it.

Then you'll have plenty to post about here what with your phone not 
working like it was designed to, apps going screwy, and bye-bye warranty 
coverage.

-- 
Never slap a man who's chewing tobacco.

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#35852

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 01:06:23 -0500, micky wrote:

> So should I root. 

If you have to ask, don't do it.

-- 
s|b

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#35943

>> So should I root. 
>
>If you have to ask, don't do it.

Good advice in general. However, an Android without root is useless to
me.

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#35971

in 36144 20161115 132154 M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> So should I root.
>>
>>If you have to ask, don't do it.
>
>Good advice in general. However, an Android without root is useless to
>me.

Because?

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#35988

>>>> So should I root.
>>>
>>>If you have to ask, don't do it.
>>
>>Good advice in general. However, an Android without root is useless to
>>me.
>
>Because?

I want to browse and edit root folders (ES File Explorer)
I want to delete unneeded carrier apps (System App Safe Remover)
I want to backup, edit, add and delete APNs (APN Backup & Restore)
I want to install a system-wide AD blocker (ADAway)
I want to move ANY app to my SD card (Force2SD)
I want to install a robust firewall app (AFWall+)
I want to convert a user app to a System app (Offline SIM APN
Database)
I want to hibernate specified apps (Greenify)
I want to backup and restore with app data (Easy Backup)
I want to freeze ANY app (Ice Box)
I want to reboot to TWRP/Safe Mode/Download mode via app
(RebootManager)
I want a robust screenshot app (Screenshot Easy)

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#35993

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 04:36:01 -0600, M.L. wrote:

> I want to browse and edit root folders (ES File Explorer)

Is that the paid version? Because their ads have become pretty
aggressive. I've uninstalled it and replaced it with Total Commander.

-- 
s|b

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#36001

>> I want to browse and edit root folders (ES File Explorer)
>
>Is that the paid version? Because their ads have become pretty
>aggressive. I've uninstalled it and replaced it with Total Commander.

You can set your free ES File Explorer homepage to a directory
listing. That will get rid of a lot of the ad clutter seen on the
default homepage. However, I use AdAway to ensure that I don't see any
ads. 

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#36014

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:37:43 -0600, M.L. wrote:

> You can set your free ES File Explorer homepage to a directory
> listing. That will get rid of a lot of the ad clutter seen on the
> default homepage. However, I use AdAway to ensure that I don't see any
> ads. 

Apparently it needs root access. My phone is still under warranty, so
I'm not going to root it. Maybe later.

-- 
s|b

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#36033

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:56:13 +0100, "s|b"
<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:37:43 -0600, M.L. wrote:
>
>> You can set your free ES File Explorer homepage to a directory
>> listing. That will get rid of a lot of the ad clutter seen on the
>> default homepage. However, I use AdAway to ensure that I don't see any
>> ads. 
>
>Apparently it needs root access. My phone is still under warranty, so
>I'm not going to root it. Maybe later.

Aha.  Mine is probably under warranty too. 

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#35996

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 17 Nov 2016 04:36:01 -0600, M.L.
<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>
>
>>>>> So should I root.
>>>>
>>>>If you have to ask, don't do it.
>>>
>>>Good advice in general. However, an Android without root is useless to
>>>me.
>>
>>Because?
>
>I want to browse and edit root folders (ES File Explorer)
>I want to delete unneeded carrier apps (System App Safe Remover)
>I want to backup, edit, add and delete APNs (APN Backup & Restore)
>I want to install a system-wide AD blocker (ADAway)
>I want to move ANY app to my SD card (Force2SD)
>I want to install a robust firewall app (AFWall+)
>I want to convert a user app to a System app (Offline SIM APN
>Database)
>I want to hibernate specified apps (Greenify)
>I want to backup and restore with app data (Easy Backup)
>I want to freeze ANY app (Ice Box)
>I want to reboot to TWRP/Safe Mode/Download mode via app
>(RebootManager)
>I want a robust screenshot app (Screenshot Easy)

Actually, I knew about some of these and even sort of want to do some of
the those "some".  I might even want to do some of those I didn't know
about.   But it must a be a strange quirk of my nature that the only one
that greaty interested me will never come up again, stuck in an airport
all night.   Or even something similar.  

However I've saved your list to remind myself what I might do, when the
need to do them might arise.  For example, right now I'd like to delete
a dozen or more apps that came with the phone (or got installed later
without my asking) but because I have more space than I've used, I guess
they're not really interfering, iiuc????

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#36000

>right now I'd like to delete
>a dozen or more apps that came with the phone (or got installed later
>without my asking) but because I have more space than I've used, I guess
>they're not really interfering, iiuc????

Make sure those apps aren't taking up any CPU cycles in the
background.

If they're system apps you don't save any space by uninstalling them.
It's better to just freeze those. In fact, since you're not concerned
about space it might be best to just freeze all your unneeded apps.
Their icons won't display and you can restore them quickly if you
change your mind.

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#36034

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 17 Nov 2016 17:32:21 -0600, M.L.
<me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>
>>right now I'd like to delete
>>a dozen or more apps that came with the phone (or got installed later
>>without my asking) but because I have more space than I've used, I guess
>>they're not really interfering, iiuc????
>
>Make sure those apps aren't taking up any CPU cycles in the
>background.

Okay.  I've looked at the battery use chart and didn't see anything I
didn't actually use. 

>If they're system apps you don't save any space by uninstalling them.
>It's better to just freeze those. In fact, since you're not concerned
>about space it might be best to just freeze all your unneeded apps.
>Their icons won't display and you can restore them quickly if you
>change your mind.

Freezing sounds good.   Thanks. 

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#35853

On 12/11/16 06:06, micky wrote:
>
> So should I root.  Is it that dangerous?
>

Yes.

But folks habitually run Windows all the time with administrator 
privileges, dumb passwords and cancelled security updates.

So you might decide one more moment of idiocy won't hurt if your end 
game is oblivion. Just stay away from dodgy apps and dodgy wireless 
hotspots and you might be fine.

Personally, I don't think it's worth any gains you might achieve.

-- 
Adrian C

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#35873

On 12/11/2016 18:50, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 12/11/16 06:06, micky wrote:
>>
>> So should I root.  Is it that dangerous?
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> But folks habitually run Windows all the time with administrator
> privileges, dumb passwords and cancelled security updates.
>
> So you might decide one more moment of idiocy won't hurt if your end
> game is oblivion. Just stay away from dodgy apps and dodgy wireless
> hotspots and you might be fine.
>
> Personally, I don't think it's worth any gains you might achieve.

Since Windows 8/10 there's no need, and it's no longer the default, to 
"run Windows all the time with administrator privileges".

I agree that rooting a phone isn't worth it.  For some, it might be on 
an iOS device, though.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#35875

Dne 13/11/2016 v 11:02 David Taylor napsal(a):
> 
> Since Windows 8/10 there's no need, and it's no longer the default, to
> "run Windows all the time with administrator privileges".

It was not needed for NT based Windows, AFAIK,
it was only a wide spread custom.

Also, rooting the Android phone
may be potentially dangerous procedure by its own,
in contrary to logging in as Administrator/root
in Windows/Linux

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#35876

David Taylor wrote:

> I agree that rooting a phone isn't worth it.

Way back in the days of android 2.x on a Nexus One it seemed necessary 
to root my phone to get around various limitations, but I've not done so 
for any phones newer than that.

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#35892

In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:49:46 +0000, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>David Taylor wrote:
>
>> I agree that rooting a phone isn't worth it.
>
>Way back in the days of android 2.x on a Nexus One it seemed necessary 
>to root my phone to get around various limitations, but I've not done so 
>for any phones newer than that.

Well,thank you all.  You've more than convinced me not to. Earlier I did
dl a rooting app and a MAC changing app, so in case I'm ever again in an
airport all night and the only way to stay online is by changing the MAC
address, I'll have them. 

It doesn't seem likely to happen twice.   ;-)

I guess I wanted to be adventurous, but not doing this will save me
time. 

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#35902

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:50:53 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

> On 12/11/16 06:06, micky wrote:
>>
>> So should I root.  Is it that dangerous?
>>
> 
> Yes.

Sorry: is that "Yes" a "Yes, you should root", or a "Yes, it is that 
dangerous"?

Thanks for clarifying. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35991

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:54:26 -0500,
tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>, in
<10k5eitmozwbt.1b742k14yshuu.dlg@40tude.net> wrote:
>  On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:50:53 +0000, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> 
> > On 12/11/16 06:06, micky wrote:
> >>
> >> So should I root.  Is it that dangerous?
> >>
> > 
> > Yes.
> 
>  Sorry: is that "Yes" a "Yes, you should root", or a "Yes, it is that 
>  dangerous"?
> 
>  Thanks for clarifying. Cheers, -- tlvp

Yes.

Wut? it depends on why you want to root a phone. If you have no
compelling reason, then the answer is "no". If you have a reason, even
if that reason is "because I can", then read up on how to root your
particular device.

-- 
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

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