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  What's your favorite browser? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-11-08 13:40 -0800
    Re: What's your favorite browser? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-11-08 23:20 +0100
    Re: What's your favorite browser? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-11-08 23:51 +0100
      Re: What's your favorite browser? Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2016-11-09 03:17 +0400
        Re: What's your favorite browser? mike <ham789@netzero.net> - 2016-11-08 16:23 -0800
          Re: What's your favorite browser? Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2016-11-10 00:58 +0400
            Re: What's your favorite browser? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 03:14 +0100
              Re: What's your favorite browser? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2016-11-10 09:09 +0200
                Re: What's your favorite browser? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 08:23 +0100
                  Re: What's your favorite browser? Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2016-11-11 03:51 +0400
                Re: What's your favorite browser? Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2016-11-11 03:45 +0400
              Re: What's your favorite browser? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 21:10 +0000
                Re: What's your favorite browser? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 22:32 +0100
              Re: What's your favorite browser? Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2016-11-11 03:44 +0400
                Re: What's your favorite browser? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 08:08 +0100
                  Re: What's your favorite browser? Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2016-11-12 04:08 +0400
                    Re: What's your favorite browser? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 07:02 +0100
            Re: What's your favorite browser? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-11-10 13:15 +0100
              Re: What's your favorite browser? Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> - 2016-11-11 03:55 +0400
      Re: What's your favorite browser? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 06:29 +0100
        Re: What's your favorite browser? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2016-11-09 09:01 +0100
    Re: What's your favorite browser? Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 09:14 +0000
    Re: What's your favorite browser? Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-11-09 11:30 +0100
    Re: What's your favorite browser? Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2016-11-09 16:50 +0200
    Re: What's your favorite browser? Henry The Mole <henrythemole@mckenziesfarm.old> - 2016-11-09 15:55 +0100
    Re: What's your favorite browser? Stephen Chadfield <stephen@chadfield.com> - 2016-11-10 01:43 +0000
      Re: What's your favorite browser? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-11-10 07:31 +0000
        Re: What's your favorite browser? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-11-10 08:00 +0000

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#35726 — What's your favorite browser?

I'm a firefox fan.
Problem I have is that the android version locks up on my phones
and tablets.  Works fine on some pages, but, on others it just sits
there.  No data transfer, it just locks up and waits.

What's your favorite web browser for android?

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#35727

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 13:40:49 -0800, mike wrote:

> What's your favorite web browser for android?

Fx

No problems here.

-- 
s|b

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#35728

mike schrieb:

> I'm a firefox fan.
> Problem I have is that the android version locks up on my phones
> and tablets.  Works fine on some pages, but, on others it just sits
> there.  No data transfer, it just locks up and waits.
> 
> What's your favorite web browser for android?

Opera - it has a useful layout with all the navigation options at the
*bottom* and not the top, which is way easier to handle one-handed on a
smartphone. I also like the "speed dial" page with the favorites as big
icons which can easily be accessed by touching one button in the middle
at the bottom.


-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
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#35729

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 23:51:38 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:

>mike schrieb:
>
>> I'm a firefox fan.
>> Problem I have is that the android version locks up on my phones
>> and tablets.  Works fine on some pages, but, on others it just sits
>> there.  No data transfer, it just locks up and waits.
>> 
>> What's your favorite web browser for android?
>
>Opera - it has a useful layout with all the navigation options at the
>*bottom* and not the top, which is way easier to handle one-handed on a
>smartphone. I also like the "speed dial" page with the favorites as big
>icons which can easily be accessed by touching one button in the middle
>at the bottom.

Be careful. Opera is NOT the old Opera anymore. The company sold (most)
of their stuff to a rich Chinese consortium. 
-- 
Homöopathie ist nichts als Hütchenspielerbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm

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#35730

On 11/8/2016 3:17 PM, Happy Oyster wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 23:51:38 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
> wrote:
>
>> mike schrieb:
>>
>>> I'm a firefox fan.
>>> Problem I have is that the android version locks up on my phones
>>> and tablets.  Works fine on some pages, but, on others it just sits
>>> there.  No data transfer, it just locks up and waits.
>>>
>>> What's your favorite web browser for android?
>>
>> Opera - it has a useful layout with all the navigation options at the
>> *bottom* and not the top, which is way easier to handle one-handed on a
>> smartphone. I also like the "speed dial" page with the favorites as big
>> icons which can easily be accessed by touching one button in the middle
>> at the bottom.
>
> Be careful. Opera is NOT the old Opera anymore. The company sold (most)
> of their stuff to a rich Chinese consortium.
>
What actions describe the care I should take?

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#35755

On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:23:04 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:

>> Be careful. Opera is NOT the old Opera anymore. The company sold (most)
>> of their stuff to a rich Chinese consortium.
>>
>What actions describe the care I should take?

I simply would not use it anymore. Browsers send information about
whatever you do and type to companies (now in China). That must be
stopped.

That is one of the reasons why I search for a good proxy to observe and
block such fraud, be it from publishers, government agencies or other
spies. 
-- 
Homöopathie ist nichts als Hütchenspielerbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm

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#35759

Dne 09/11/2016 v 21:58 Happy Oyster napsal(a):
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:23:04 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
> 
>>> Be careful. Opera is NOT the old Opera anymore. The company sold (most)
>>> of their stuff to a rich Chinese consortium.
>>>
>> What actions describe the care I should take?
> 
> I simply would not use it anymore. Browsers send information about
> whatever you do and type to companies (now in China). That must be
> stopped.

For PC, what about Vivaldi, the fork based on older Opera version,
done by the original Opera team, some time before Opera was sold ?
As the team did not like the course
Opera development was bearing toward.

For Android, aside of big ones like chrome, opera and FF,
there are several interesting browsers,
like CM browser, UC browser or Dolphin.

But, perhaps users should avoid any browser at all,
as all of them eventually interact with the code of web pages,
with all that tracking JS and webbugs.

( A webbug is a very tiny image, usually 3rd party and transparent,
used for a page visit tracking purposes. The 3rd party passive resources
are seldom filtered, as such a general filtering would affect the web
experience, unless selective filtering is applied.
But such a filtering as AdBlock/uBlock, Request Policy
or NoScript-ABE is rare on Android platform.)


-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#35761

Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> writes:

> But, perhaps users should avoid any browser at all,
> as all of them eventually interact with the code of web pages,
> with all that tracking JS and webbugs.

I use a VPN service (Freedome) which claims to filter tracking but of
course I have no way of knowing how effective it is. Disconnect.me does
the same apparently.

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#35762

Dne 10/11/2016 v 08:09 Anssi Saari napsal(a):
> Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> But, perhaps users should avoid any browser at all,
>> as all of them eventually interact with the code of web pages,
>> with all that tracking JS and webbugs.
> 
> I use a VPN service (Freedome) which claims to filter tracking but of
> course I have no way of knowing how effective it is. Disconnect.me does
> the same apparently.
> 

I mean rather on web traffic level than on connection level.

Unless you always start with cleaned cookies and cache
and there is no way to identify you according browser patterns,
or other local data eventually available to web code.


-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#35811

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:23:22 +0100, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Unless you always start with cleaned cookies and cache
>and there is no way to identify you according browser patterns,
>or other local data eventually available to web code.

DAMNED WRONG !!!!! 

Look into the parameter files of the browsers. To do that install a
browser in a FRESH maschine, so there is not history of any kind.
Install the browser without a connection to the net. Look into the ini-
etc files. Then make connection to the net. 

Do the same with the PC being connected to the net when the browser is
installed. 

You will find that in the ini files there are long numbers. These are
written during installation and they do identify the machine. Whenever
data is exchanged with a server this number-stuff is used. 

Since there is not one but a bunch of companies involved, EACH OF THEM
gets your number, so the GANG of companies *BECAUSE OF THE IDENTICAL
TIME OF FIRST CONTACT* can identify your machine damned well.

I wonder what will happen if we change the numbers every 30 seconds. ;O)
-- 
Homöopathie ist nichts als Hütchenspielerbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm

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#35810

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 09:09:55 +0200, Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

>Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> But, perhaps users should avoid any browser at all,
>> as all of them eventually interact with the code of web pages,
>> with all that tracking JS and webbugs.
>
>I use a VPN service (Freedome) which claims to filter tracking but of
>course I have no way of knowing how effective it is. Disconnect.me does
>the same apparently.

How much do you pay for these?
-- 
Homöopathie ist nichts als Hütchenspielerbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm

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#35804

Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dne 09/11/2016 v 21:58 Happy Oyster napsal(a):
>> On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:23:04 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Be careful. Opera is NOT the old Opera anymore. The company sold (most)
>>>> of their stuff to a rich Chinese consortium.
>>>> 
>>> What actions describe the care I should take?
>> 
>> I simply would not use it anymore. Browsers send information about
>> whatever you do and type to companies (now in China). That must be
>> stopped.
> 
> For PC, what about Vivaldi, the fork based on older Opera version,
> done by the original Opera team, some time before Opera was sold ?

Nope. It's a new browser and uses the chrome/blink engine. Chrome plugins
work in vivaldi. 

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#35805

Dne 10/11/2016 v 22:10 Chris napsal(a):
> Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dne 09/11/2016 v 21:58 Happy Oyster napsal(a):
>>> On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:23:04 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Be careful. Opera is NOT the old Opera anymore. The company sold (most)
>>>>> of their stuff to a rich Chinese consortium.
>>>>>
>>>> What actions describe the care I should take?
>>>
>>> I simply would not use it anymore. Browsers send information about
>>> whatever you do and type to companies (now in China). That must be
>>> stopped.
>>
>> For PC, what about Vivaldi, the fork based on older Opera version,
>> done by the original Opera team, some time before Opera was sold ?
> 
> Nope. It's a new browser and uses the chrome/blink engine. Chrome plugins
> work in vivaldi. 
> 
I see, I can be wrong, as I do not use it.
They probably just ported some features.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#35809

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 03:14:36 +0100, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dne 09/11/2016 v 21:58 Happy Oyster napsal(a):
>> On Tue, 08 Nov 2016 16:23:04 -0800, mike <ham789@netzero.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Be careful. Opera is NOT the old Opera anymore. The company sold (most)
>>>> of their stuff to a rich Chinese consortium.
>>>>
>>> What actions describe the care I should take?
>> 
>> I simply would not use it anymore. Browsers send information about
>> whatever you do and type to companies (now in China). That must be
>> stopped.
>
>For PC, what about Vivaldi, the fork based on older Opera version,
>done by the original Opera team, some time before Opera was sold ?
>As the team did not like the course
>Opera development was bearing toward.

I use Vivaldi. It has some advantages over other browsers, but is a
severe loss of functions, compared with OLDER versions of Opera.
Somewhen Opera programmers began to cut off important functions. 


>For Android, aside of big ones like chrome, opera and FF,
>there are several interesting browsers,
>like CM browser, UC browser or Dolphin.

I think I saw Dolphin. I tried Android on a small machine. It was hell.
I HATE ANDROID!


>But, perhaps users should avoid any browser at all,
>as all of them eventually interact with the code of web pages,
>with all that tracking JS and webbugs.

Javascript must be banned by law.


>( A webbug is a very tiny image, usually 3rd party and transparent,
>used for a page visit tracking purposes. The 3rd party passive resources
>are seldom filtered, as such a general filtering would affect the web
>experience, unless selective filtering is applied.
>But such a filtering as AdBlock/uBlock, Request Policy
>or NoScript-ABE is rare on Android platform.)

Web-bugs are something different than Javascript. Switching off images
is an easy way to avoid them. But one of the drawbacks of the now
"modern" browsers is that the force people to load images. And MANY
web-sites force surfer to have images ON. Otherwise navigation does not
work there. 
-- 
Homöopathie ist nichts als Hütchenspielerbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm

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#35818

Dne 11/11/2016 v 00:44 Happy Oyster napsal(a):

> I think I saw Dolphin. I tried Android on a small machine. It was hell.
> I HATE ANDROID!

Do not use it.
Use iOS, Window, or avoid small smart devices.
> 
>> But, perhaps users should avoid any browser at all,
>> as all of them eventually interact with the code of web pages,
>> with all that tracking JS and webbugs.
> 
> Javascript must be banned by law.

All active code, programs and the best even computers.
As all are used no only for good, but also for evil.

> Web-bugs are something different than Javascript. 

It is obvious from what I have written, is not it ?


-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#35838

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:08:11 +0100, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dne 11/11/2016 v 00:44 Happy Oyster napsal(a):
>
>> I think I saw Dolphin. I tried Android on a small machine. It was hell.
>> I HATE ANDROID!
>
>Do not use it.
>Use iOS, Window, or avoid small smart devices.

Yikes! No. 


>>> But, perhaps users should avoid any browser at all,
>>> as all of them eventually interact with the code of web pages,
>>> with all that tracking JS and webbugs.
>> 
>> Javascript must be banned by law.
>
>All active code, programs and the best even computers.
>As all are used no only for good, but also for evil.

Satire is not your area, I see. 


>> Web-bugs are something different than Javascript. 
>
>It is obvious from what I have written, is not it ?

But you did not understand the consequences, I'm afraid.
-- 
Homöopathie ist nichts als Hütchenspielerbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm

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#35843

Dne 12/11/2016 v 01:08 Happy Oyster napsal(a):
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 08:08:11 +0100, Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> Javascript must be banned by law.
>>
>> All active code, programs and the best even computers.
>> As all are used no only for good, but also for evil.
> 
> Satire is not your area, I see. 

I am not sure you do..

>>> Web-bugs are something different than Javascript. 
>>
>> It is obvious from what I have written, is not it ?
> 
> But you did not understand the consequences, I'm afraid.
> 
You do not know what I understand.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#35768

Happy Oyster wrote:
> Browsers send information about whatever you do and type
> to companies (now in China). That must be stopped.

Any plans on how to do that?
Or just keep on daydreaming?

> That is one of the reasons why I search for a good proxy
> to observe and block such fraud

So you trust proxies? Cute.

-p

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#35813

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:15:06 +0100, Piet
<www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

>Happy Oyster wrote:
>> Browsers send information about whatever you do and type
>> to companies (now in China). That must be stopped.
>
>Any plans on how to do that?
>Or just keep on daydreaming?
>
>> That is one of the reasons why I search for a good proxy
>> to observe and block such fraud
>
>So you trust proxies? Cute.

A proxy is a tool on MY systems. So the traffic in and out is observed.
And unwanted traffic is blocked. 
-- 
Homöopathie ist nichts als Hütchenspielerbetrug und organisierte Kriminalität
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/565.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/570.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/585.htm http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/643.htm
http://ariplex.com/folia/archives/647.htm

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#35731

Dne 08/11/2016 v 23:51 Arno Welzel napsal(a):
> mike schrieb:
> 
>> I'm a firefox fan.
>> Problem I have is that the android version locks up on my phones
>> and tablets.  Works fine on some pages, but, on others it just sits
>> there.  No data transfer, it just locks up and waits.
>>
>> What's your favorite web browser for android?
> 
> Opera - it has a useful layout with all the navigation options at the
> *bottom* and not the top, which is way easier to handle one-handed on a
> smartphone. I also like the "speed dial" page with the favorites as big
> icons which can easily be accessed by touching one button in the middle
> at the bottom.
> 
> 
Note that there are 2 ( at least ) kinds of Opera.
One of them is Opera mini, especially focused
to minimize data and required resources.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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