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  Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-02 18:36 -0400
    Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-02 18:48 -0400
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-02 23:44 -0400
        Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 07:26 -0400
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-03 14:22 -0400
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-03 14:51 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-03 15:32 -0400
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 02:37 -0400
        Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-10-03 19:08 +0000
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 03:06 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 10:29 -0400
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 13:35 -0400
                Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-05 13:53 +0100
                  Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-05 23:53 -0400
    Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-10-03 10:12 +0100
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-03 14:26 -0400
    Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 15:02 -0700
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-10-04 03:16 -0400
        Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 10:24 -0700
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 13:48 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 12:26 -0700
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-04 22:15 -0400
                Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 22:35 -0700
                  Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-06 20:15 -0400
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2016-11-27 19:52 +0000
              Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-27 14:53 -0500
                Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2016-11-29 16:44 +0000
                  Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-29 12:23 -0500
          Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 18:50 +0000
            Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... AL <234nomail186@invalid.com> - 2016-10-04 16:50 -0700
      Re: Another advantage of removable batteries ... Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-10-04 19:11 +0100

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#34991 — Another advantage of removable batteries ...

An experience last night highlighting an advantage of having one's
cellphone battery be removable: a Sony Experia, frozen. No response to any
touch or keypress, long or short, nor to insertion or removal of chargecord
-- *but* -- pop off the back of the case, remove the battery, count to 10,
replace the battery, restore the back of the case, and -- *Presto!* --
holding in the *ON* button brings the phone back to life. (Almost as if I'd
run a System V /tty sane/ command :-0 .) And, unlike the factory reset some
others here might suggest for when batteries are unavailable, no data loss.

FWiW. Of course, YMMV. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34992

In article <1500emll5067t$.1ajw3op042rqc.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> An experience last night highlighting an advantage of having one's
> cellphone battery be removable: a Sony Experia, frozen. No response to any
> touch or keypress, long or short, nor to insertion or removal of chargecord
> -- *but* -- pop off the back of the case, remove the battery, count to 10,
> replace the battery, restore the back of the case, and -- *Presto!* --
> holding in the *ON* button brings the phone back to life. (Almost as if I'd
> run a System V /tty sane/ command :-0 .)  And, unlike the factory reset some
> others here might suggest for when batteries are unavailable, no data loss.

what was suggested was a *hardware* reset, *not* a factory reset.

there is no data loss with a hardware reset, which is much easier than
taking off the back and removing the battery, particularly if the phone
is in any type of case.

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#34993

On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 18:48:29 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <1500emll5067t$.1ajw3op042rqc.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> ...  And, unlike the factory reset some
>> others here might suggest for when batteries are unavailable, no data loss.
> 
> what was suggested was a *hardware* reset, *not* a factory reset.

not you, nospam -- "some others". 
 
> there is no data loss with a hardware reset, which is much easier than
> taking off the back and removing the battery, particularly if the phone
> is in any type of case.

Well, if the hardware reset instructions I've found are typical, they all
call for removing the back so as to take out SIM and microSD card first,
and it seems to me it's easier to take out the battery (instead) at that
point than to go through the hardware reset keypress shenanigans. YMMV.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34998

In article <1gz80rv6kbcj8.1wkk4wux65poz$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >> ...  And, unlike the factory reset some
> >> others here might suggest for when batteries are unavailable, no data loss.
> > 
> > what was suggested was a *hardware* reset, *not* a factory reset.
> 
> not you, nospam -- "some others". 

such as? i don't recall *anyone* suggesting a factory reset, which
erases everything, just to reset a non-responsive phone.

> > there is no data loss with a hardware reset, which is much easier than
> > taking off the back and removing the battery, particularly if the phone
> > is in any type of case.
> 
> Well, if the hardware reset instructions I've found are typical, they all
> call for removing the back so as to take out SIM and microSD card first,

no they don't. they simply require holding certain buttons.

> and it seems to me it's easier to take out the battery (instead) at that
> point than to go through the hardware reset keypress shenanigans. YMMV.

if the battery is internal, you don't have a choice.

the point is that there is a way to reset any phone if it's
non-responsive. there *has* to be.

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#35000

On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 07:26:52 -0400, nospam wrote:

> if the battery is internal, you don't have a choice.

No denying that. But my Sony's battery *does* give me the choice.
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35002

On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 07:26:52 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <1gz80rv6kbcj8.1wkk4wux65poz$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> ...  And, unlike the factory reset some
>>>> others here might suggest for when batteries are unavailable, no data loss.
>>> 
>>> what was suggested was a *hardware* reset, *not* a factory reset.
>> 
>> not you, nospam -- "some others". 
> 
> such as? i don't recall *anyone* suggesting a factory reset,

Did I write anyone *actually* suggested a factory reset? No: what I wrote
was "others here *might suggest* ... " (emphasis added for clarity's sake).

Meanwhile, be aware that all that google tried to show me when I fed it the
bait "hardware reset" (likewise "soft reset") were instructions how to
*hard reset" various handsets, where "hard reset" seems to be synonymous
with "factory reset." And instructions for that are numerous and plentiful:

: 1. Make sure the battery fully charged
: 2. Backup all your important data 
: 3. Power Off Your Sony Xperia tipo dual
: 4. Press And Hold Volume up Key + Power Key for few seconds
: 5. Release all keys when you see Service menu on screen

Alas, in my situation, steps 1-3 were not possible, only steps 4-5, and
having all data cleared was not a price I was willing to pay.

So please suggest a better term than "hardware reset" (or , for that
matter, "soft reset") to feed google. And thanks for further instructions. 

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35005

In article <1p6xl196tg52r$.2nkd48twrprl$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >>>> ...  And, unlike the factory reset some
> >>>> others here might suggest for when batteries are unavailable, no data
> >>>> loss.
> >>> 
> >>> what was suggested was a *hardware* reset, *not* a factory reset.
> >> 
> >> not you, nospam -- "some others". 
> > 
> > such as? i don't recall *anyone* suggesting a factory reset,
> 
> Did I write anyone *actually* suggested a factory reset? No: what I wrote
> was "others here *might suggest* ... " (emphasis added for clarity's sake).

in other words, nobody suggested any such thing and you're just
babbling.

> Meanwhile, be aware that all that google tried to show me when I fed it the
> bait "hardware reset" (likewise "soft reset") were instructions how to
> *hard reset" various handsets, where "hard reset" seems to be synonymous
> with "factory reset." And instructions for that are numerous and plentiful:

then you didn't search for the proper terms.

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#35011

On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 15:32:37 -0400, nospam wrote:

> then you didn't search for the proper terms.

Exactly. Your terms"hardware reset" are no good. So what are?

But I'm more inclined  to drop this. You do things your way, and I'll do
them mine. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35003

tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
[...]
> Well, if the hardware reset instructions I've found are typical, they all
> call for removing the back so as to take out SIM and microSD card first,
> and it seems to me it's easier to take out the battery (instead) at that
> point than to go through the hardware reset keypress shenanigans. YMMV.

  Have you checked *the* website which is dedicated to this very issue,
<http://www.hardreset.info>?

  Don't be misled by the first paragraphs on the homepage, because for
most devices, there are also other types of reset and modes. For example
for my tablet:

<http://www.hardreset.info/devices/samsung/samsung-t530-galaxy-tab-4-101>

  What does it say for your device? (You didn't specify a specific (Sony
Experia) model.)

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#35013

On 3 Oct 2016 19:08:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> Well, if the hardware reset instructions I've found are typical, they all
>> call for removing the back so as to take out SIM and microSD card first,
>> and it seems to me it's easier to take out the battery (instead) at that
>> point than to go through the hardware reset keypress shenanigans. YMMV.
> 
>   Have you checked *the* website which is dedicated to this very issue,
> <http://www.hardreset.info>?

Nope. Never knew it previously, and never turned it up with google. Thanks.
 
>   Don't be misled by the first paragraphs on the homepage, because for
> most devices, there are also other types of reset and modes. 

Thanks for the encouragement.

> ... For example
> for my tablet:
> 
> <http://www.hardreset.info/devices/samsung/samsung-t530-galaxy-tab-4-101>
> 
>   What does it say for your device? (You didn't specify a specific (Sony
> Experia) model.)

As I mentioned, it's an ST21a2.(aka Sony Xperia "tipo dual"). The site
covers the similar-but-for-trim-color ST21i2. Instructions all begin
something like "1. Press Power button until your phone is off. 2. Then
power on your device." Useless for a phone not responding to any button
presses. Just another vindiction for "pop the back, remove/replace battery,
restore back, restart device" as viable "stty sane" method, where feasible.

It *is* a lovely, useful, and well-organized site, though, bookmarked now,
thanks. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35016

In article <1unnwaufwr3bm.rg237kfkckaq$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >> Well, if the hardware reset instructions I've found are typical, they all
> >> call for removing the back so as to take out SIM and microSD card first,
> >> and it seems to me it's easier to take out the battery (instead) at that
> >> point than to go through the hardware reset keypress shenanigans. YMMV.
> > 
> >   Have you checked *the* website which is dedicated to this very issue,
> > <http://www.hardreset.info>?
> 
> Nope. Never knew it previously, and never turned it up with google. Thanks.

it's one of the first hits for searching for how to reset a phone.

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#35018

On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 10:29:23 -0400, nospam wrote:

>>> <http://www.hardreset.info>?
>> 
>> Nope. Never knew it previously, and never turned it up with google. Thanks.
> 
> it's one of the first hits for searching for how to reset a phone.

Right. But wrong sort of reset. Read the trailer? It says:

: Hard Reset SONY Xperia Tipo Dual ST21i2; Browse to Settings -> Backup &
: reset -> Factory Data Reset -> Reset Phone. Select option option "Erase
: everything" ...

Remember I only want what you call a "hardware reset", not a factory reset. 
So the cite of that trailer ruled that site out at first sight :-) . 

Thnx NEway. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35034

On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 18:35:03 +0100, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 10:29:23 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>>>> <http://www.hardreset.info>?
>>>
>>> Nope. Never knew it previously, and never turned it up with google.  
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> it's one of the first hits for searching for how to reset a phone.
>
> Right. But wrong sort of reset. Read the trailer? It says:
>
> : Hard Reset SONY Xperia Tipo Dual ST21i2; Browse to Settings -> Backup &
> : reset -> Factory Data Reset -> Reset Phone. Select option option "Erase
> : everything" ...
>
> Remember I only want what you call a "hardware reset", not a factory  
> reset.
> So the cite of that trailer ruled that site out at first sight :-) .
>
> Thnx NEway. Cheers, -- tlvp

It's tosh. I looked up Motorola F3 and it gives

Hard Reset MOTOROLA F3 MOTOFONE
Make sure that device is working on.
Then open Main menu and select Settings -> Security.
Type in lock code to open Security Menu. (The default code is 0000 or  
1234).
Select Erase/Reset -> Reset Phone.
Left Softkey will confirm operation.
Device has to restart, it may take around 30 seconds.
Success! device is ready now.


The only Settings ability is for the date & time!
-- 
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

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#35051

On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 13:53:23 +0100, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 18:35:03 +0100, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 04 Oct 2016 10:29:23 -0400, nospam wrote:
>>
>>>>> <http://www.hardreset.info>?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Never knew it previously, and never turned it up with google.  
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> it's one of the first hits for searching for how to reset a phone.
>>
>> Right. But wrong sort of reset. Read the trailer? It says:
>>
>>: Hard Reset SONY Xperia Tipo Dual ST21i2; Browse to Settings -> Backup &
>>: reset -> Factory Data Reset -> Reset Phone. Select option option "Erase
>>: everything" ...
>>
>> Remember I only want what you call a "hardware reset", not a factory  
>> reset.
>> So the cite of that trailer ruled that site out at first sight :-) .
>>
>> Thnx NEway. Cheers, -- tlvp
> 
> It's tosh. I looked up Motorola F3 and it gives
> 
> Hard Reset MOTOROLA F3 MOTOFONE
> Make sure that device is working on.
> Then open Main menu and select Settings -> Security.
> Type in lock code to open Security Menu. (The default code is 0000 or  
> 1234).
> Select Erase/Reset -> Reset Phone.
> Left Softkey will confirm operation.
> Device has to restart, it may take around 30 seconds.
> Success! device is ready now.
> 
> 
> The only Settings ability is for the date & time!

Can't even begin that when the phone ignores key- and button-presses.
Anyway, the goal was *not* to Erase/Reset -- it was to awaken from coma.
Pulling and replacing the battery was the simplest way I knew to do that.
But thanks for the sprinkles, one and all :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34997

tlvp wrote:

> An experience last night highlighting an advantage of having one's
> cellphone battery be removable: a Sony Experia, frozen. No response to any
> touch or keypress, long or short

How long is long?  Some of the nexus devices (without removable 
batteries) need a 30 second press of the power button for their deepest 
level of reset.

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#35001

On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 10:12:16 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> tlvp wrote:
> 
>> An experience last night highlighting an advantage of having one's
>> cellphone battery be removable: a Sony Experia, frozen. No response to any
>> touch or keypress, long or short
> 
> How long is long?  Some of the nexus devices (without removable 
> batteries) need a 30 second press of the power button for their deepest 
> level of reset.

I didn't give any keypress longer than 5-6 seconds. And within *30 seconds*
I had the back off and the battery out :-) . Problem gone. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35006

tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> An experience last night highlighting an advantage of having one's
> cellphone battery be removable: a Sony Experia, frozen. No
> response to any touch or keypress, long or short, nor to insertion
> or removal of chargecord -- *but* -- pop off the back of the case,
> remove the battery, count to 10, replace the battery, restore the
> back of the case, and -- *Presto!* -- holding in the *ON* button
> brings the phone back to life. (Almost as if I'd run a System V
> /tty sane/ command :-0 .) And, unlike the factory reset some 
> others here might suggest for when batteries are unavailable, no
> data loss. 
> 
> FWiW. Of course, YMMV. Cheers, -- tlvp

Many phones (or possibly all of 'em?) allow a 'virtual battery pull' 
such as my HTC M8 did.  You hold volume up and volume down and power 
all together for maybe 30 -45 seconds and phone will do exactly the 
same as removing and reinstalling the battery.

FWIW, it also works on my LG G5 which does have a removable battery but 
the "virtual battery pull' is much faster if the phone is in the 
Otterbox Defender case, removal of which requires at least one broken 
fingernail, several words not generally considered acceptable in polite 
company and 5 minutes or more accompanied by a dangerous rise in blood 
pressure! <G>  The Otterbox Defender offers amazing protection but it's 
a bugger to get off and on.

To me, the removable battery has one enormous advantage, my HTC M8 
battery was slowly decreasing in life after 2 years, replacement is 
pretty costly and my arthritic hands are no longer capable of replacing 
it myself, so..... LG L5.  I wanted a removable battery AND a removable 
SD card, I think the L5 is the only currant smartphone so equipped?  I 
just wish it could be rooted and the bootloader unlocked but maybe 
someday...
 

-- 
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

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#35014

On Mon, 03 Oct 2016 15:02:09 -0700, XS11E wrote:

> Many phones (or possibly all of 'em?) allow a 'virtual battery pull' 
> such as my HTC M8 did.  You hold volume up and volume down and power 
> all together for maybe 30 -45 seconds and phone will do exactly the 
> same as removing and reinstalling the battery.

Thanks for that. Alas, I've seen many minor variations on the procedure of
holding buttons pressed in all together -- buttons such as vol+, vol-,
power, home, back, search, etc. -- for factory reset, clear browser
history, soft reset, data wipe, and more. And different phones use
different combinations. 

I don't think I'd risk an inadvertent data wipe or factory reset just so I
can avoid popping the back so as to remove/replace the battery :-) .

But we all have our own unique 'drothers -- that one's mine. YMMV.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35017

On 10/4/2016 12:16 AM, tlvp wrote:

> I don't think I'd risk an inadvertent data wipe or factory reset just so I
> can avoid popping the back so as to remove/replace the battery :-) .

FWIW I liked my old phones with the pop out batteries. Though I never 
had to replace a defective battery I was once able to upgrade to a 
larger battery on a phone with poor battery life.

> But we all have our own unique 'drothers -- that one's mine. YMMV.

Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.

(Get ready to hear the whines from the iSpam crowd... ;)

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#35020

In article <nt0oj6$uk8$1@dont-email.me>, AL <234nomail186@invalid.com>
wrote:

> 
> Yup. Let's hope the earphone jack doesn't go away anytime soon.

kick and scream all you want but the 3.5mm analog jack is going away,
to be replaced with a digital version that offers greater reliability, 
higher quality audio, noise cancellation and much, much more. it can't
happen soon enough.

it's *already* gone on several android phones, including the moto z,
all of which were *before* apple released the iphone 7.

the usb-c audio spec was also just released this past week.

<http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/10/11900992/moto-z-specs-no-headphone-ja
ck>
  The Moto Z has no headphone jack
  The first major new flagship to launch in the US without one

<https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/01/usb-c-audio-specification/>
  Like it or not, the effort to get rid of the headphone jack is well
  underway. The USB Implementers Forum has published its long-expected
  Audio Device Class 3.0 specification, giving device makers the
  standard they need to pipe sound through USB-C ports on everything
  from phones to PCs

<http://www.anandtech.com/show/10719/usbif-publishes-audio-over-usb-type
c-specifications>
  The USB Implementers Forum this week published the USB Audio Device
  Class 3.0 specification, which standardizes audio over USB Type-C
  interface. The new spec enables hardware makers to eliminate
  traditional 3.5mm mini-jacks from their devices and use USB-C ports
  to connect headsets and other audio equipment.

<http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160927006252/en/USB-IF-Announce
s-USB-Audio-Device-Class-3.0>
  HOUSTON & BEAVERTON, Ore.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--USB Implementers Forum
  (USB-IF), the support organization for the advancement and adoption
  of USB technology, today announced the USB Audio Device Class 3.0
  specification to establish USB Audio over USB Type-C as the primary
  solution for all digital audio applications, including headsets,
  mobile devices, docking stations, gaming set-ups and VR solutions.

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