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  How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-27 22:35 +0000
    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:39 +1000
      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> - 2016-09-28 12:36 +0200
        Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 20:56 +1000
          Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-28 15:11 -0400
            Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-28 20:41 +0100
            Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 06:20 +1000
      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:00 +0000
        Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 06:00 +1000
          Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 07:31 +0000
            Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 22:48 +1000
              Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-29 17:51 +0000
                Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-29 13:56 -0400
                  Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-29 18:38 +0000
                    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-29 14:47 -0400
                    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-30 04:21 -0400
                      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-30 15:00 +0000
                        Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2016-09-30 17:36 -0400
                        Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-30 18:40 -0400
          Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-29 18:43 +0000
            Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-29 14:46 -0400
            Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 09:23 +1000
              Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-30 02:51 +0000
                Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:45 +1000
                  Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-30 15:24 +0000
                    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:58 +1000
              Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-30 02:51 +0000
                Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 14:50 +1000
                Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-29 23:58 -0700
                  Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-30 00:06 -0700
                    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-30 15:24 +0000
                      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 16:08 +1000
    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:00 +0000
      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-28 16:05 +0000
    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-30 03:01 +0000
      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-30 03:18 +0000
      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-30 08:56 -0700
    Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere> - 2016-09-30 11:49 -0400
      Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 16:10 +1000
        Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere> - 2016-10-01 10:39 -0400
          Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 07:49 +1100
            Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 07:09 +0000
              Re: How to create an EMERGENCY folder on a mobile device (and what to put inside) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 19:31 +1100

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#34936

In article <nsjnd9$fag$1@news.mixmin.net>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> I generally tackle all problems on both iOS and Android, particularly for
> emergencies, because you'll never know what you will have in your hands at
> the time of an emergency.

blood.

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#34940

"Horace Algier" <horatio@horatio.net> wrote in message 
news:nsjnd9$fag$1@news.mixmin.net...
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 06:00:48 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The iOS contacts system does allow an emergency category in the contacts.
>>
>> It also allows you to list those you want to be called if say you are 
>> found
>> unconscious or incapable and that is visible on the lock screen of your
>> idevice so anyone can get those details from there as long as your
>> phone is still working.
>
> I generally tackle all problems on both iOS and Android, particularly for
> emergencies, because you'll never know what you will have in your hands at
> the time of an emergency.
>
> On iOS 9.x, when I open contacts and search for "ice" or for "emergency", 
> I
> get nothing (not surprisingly, because I never set up anything).
>
> Looking about in iOS contacts, I don't see any overt mention of an
> "emergency" system.
>
> Googling, I find this article:
> 3 Features You Should Enable in iOS 8
> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2468891,00.asp
>
> In that article, they talk about a "Health" app that Apple supplied in iOS
> 8, which doesn't seem to be on my device in iOS9 (I skipped iOS 8
> altogether since I update the device as little as possible since all hell
> broke loose outside the walled garden the penultimate time I updated).
>
> Hmmmm... no "Health" app on this iPad. I only have one desktop screen, and
> there's no health app on it, nor in Settings General on the left column.
>
> So, scratch that method (maybe it works only on phones?).
>
> Moving on to another reference, I find this:
> https://snapguide.com/guides/add-ice-in-case-of-emergency-contacts-for-iphone/
> How to Add ICE (In Case of Emergency) Contacts for iPhone
>
> 1. Contacts > + > First = ICE 1 - Wife
> 2. Copy that to "Last" name also (if contacts are reverse sorted).
> 3. Company = Patty Winter, wife
> 4. Scroll down to "add field"
> 5. The article says scroll to the bottom of the popup to add "notes"
> but I don't see any notes. I just see:
> - Prefix
> - Phonetic first name
> - Pronunciation first name
> - Middle name
> - Phonetic middle name
> - Phonetic last name
> - Pronunciation last name
> - Maiden name
> - Suffix
> - Nickname
> - Job title
> - Department
> 6. So I put the phone number in the Company field instead (since there 
> were
> no notes fields).
> 7. Press "Done".
>
> Hmmm... I guess adding ICE is better than doing absolutely nothing, but
> it's not much better than doing absolutely nothing.
>
> Rod, can you elucidate a little bit on what you were alluding to when you
> mentioned there was some kind of emergency mechanism on iOS?

That bit of the health app that allows anyone to see that on the lock screen 
of your phone.

> Thanks!
> NOTE: iPad, with SIM data, iOS 9.3.2 (and staying on that until/unless
> there is a compelling reason to risk another release) 

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#34941

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:23:10 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

>> Rod, can you elucidate a little bit on what you were alluding to when you
>> mentioned there was some kind of emergency mechanism on iOS?
> 
> That bit of the health app that allows anyone to see that on the lock screen 
> of your phone.

OK. Now I get it.

It's sort of like this app:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ice-standard-er-smart911-official/id412786820?mt=8

If you're dead (or dying), and your iDevice (maybe just the phone and not
the iPad?) is still locked, the "bit of the health app" that you're talking
about, "tells" your good samartan whatever you wanted to tell them in the
ICE contacts.

Um, er ... ok. That's fine, I guess. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

But I'm looking for far-more proactive solutions for the emergency folder,
like, um, things that *prevent* you from being dead in the first place.

To that end, previously I found a ton of Android emergency apps (most of
which seemed to be SMS-related, and GPS location alert related). The
problem on Android is that there are so many, all the work is in selecting
and testing the few that you want to keep.

Googling for iOS emergency apps, the first hit is both Android/iOS:
7 essential personal safety apps for emergency situations
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/11/17/7-essential-personal-safety-apps-for-emergency-situations/#gref

Which lists these:
- Guardly (connects you with your security organization)
- LINE Messenger (disaster stuff)
- Disaster Alert (scare mongering disaster stuff)
- Life360 (tracks you and your family for the NSA)
- Red Panic Button (calls the cops when press the button)
- ICE app (same as iOS unlock screen stuff)

I only quickly skimmed that article, but they all seem scamm'ish to me, so
I'll move on to other apps (unless someone says otherwise).

This article lists five free apps "that can call for help":
5 Free Personal Safety Apps that Can Call For Help
http://www.techlicious.com/tip/free-personal-safety-apps/

1. bSafe (broadcasts video and beeps and calls people when you are scared)
2. Kitestring (keeps asking you if you're ok, and if not, it alerts others)
3. SafeTrek (alert police when you *lift* your thumb *off* the red button!)
4. Bugle (leave the phone at home & it calls the cops if you don't return)
5. Samsung Safety Assistance (notify a list of contacts)

As usual, if you read two articles that are supposedly on the same topic,
and *none* of the apps cross pollinate, that's a sign that the scammish
nature of the apps is predominant. (It's not proof - just a sign.)

Moving on to this (and noting the source), at least some apps finally cross
pollinate, which is a better sign that you're getting slightly closer to
the good stuff:
11 apps that can save your life in case of an emergency
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/10-apps-save-life-case-emergency-article-1.2438105

1. Medical ID (same as the ICE stuff above)
2. ICE Standard (same as ICE stuff above)
3. Bugle (calls the cops if you don't get back to your phone in time)
4. Kitestring (nags you and then alerts others if you don't respond)
5. Family Locator/Life360  (tracks you and your family for the NSA)
6. Red Panic Button (calls the cops when press the button)
7. Siren GPS (calls 911 and sends them your GPS location)
8. SafeTrek (alert police when you *lift* your thumb *off* the red button!)
9. Guardly (calls your company security team)
10. Disaster Alert (scare mongering disaster stuff)
11. Natural Disaster Monitor (less personal scare mongering disaster stuff)

There were plenty of other articles on the subject but this post is too
long already:

DISCLAIMER: I only *skimmed* the articles for the gist of what the apps do,
since the true measure of an app is how horrendous it is in setup and use,
not what the marketing guys "say" it will do.

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#34945

Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>>> Rod, can you elucidate a little bit on what you were alluding to when
>>> you mentioned there was some kind of emergency mechanism on iOS?

>> That bit of the health app that allows anyone
>> to see that on the lock screen of your phone.

> OK. Now I get it.

> It's sort of like this app:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ice-standard-er-smart911-official/id412786820?mt=8

> If you're dead (or dying), and your iDevice (maybe just the phone
> and not the iPad?) is still locked, the "bit of the health app" that
> you're talking about, "tells" your good samartan whatever you
> wanted to tell them in the ICE contacts.

Yep.

> Um, er ... ok. That's fine, I guess. Nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

But no need to put it in any emergency folder or anything similar,
because once its setup, it happens completely automatically. That's
why I meant to delete that bit that I first thought that you were talking
about when I realised that you meant something else, and forgot to
edit that out from my original response before I hit the send button.

> But I'm looking for far-more proactive solutions for the emergency folder,
> like, um, things that *prevent* you from being dead in the first place.

Sure.

> To that end, previously I found a ton of Android emergency apps
> (most of which seemed to be SMS-related, and GPS location alert
> related). The problem on Android is that there are so many, all the
> work is in selecting and testing the few that you want to keep.

Yeah, pretty similar on iOS and since much of what I want in that regard
isnt unique to emergency situations but are used all the time like google
maps and other stuff like that, no need to put them in an emergency
folder or anything like that, although I spose that might make some
sense when setting those up for someone else on their phone etc
particularly if they are the sort of person who might well end up
rather flustered in an emergency situation etc.

But IMO it makes more sense to have emergency phone numbers
in a group in the standard contacts because that is where it makes
rather more sense to have emergency phone numbers IMO. Or best
to have the numbers in both so wherever anyone looks, they will be
found immediately which would be useful in an emergency.

> Googling for iOS emergency apps, the first hit is both Android/iOS:
> 7 essential personal safety apps for emergency situations
> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/11/17/7-essential-personal-safety-apps-for-emergency-situations/#gref

> Which lists these:
> - Guardly (connects you with your security organization)
> - LINE Messenger (disaster stuff)
> - Disaster Alert (scare mongering disaster stuff)
> - Life360 (tracks you and your family for the NSA)
> - Red Panic Button (calls the cops when press the button)
> - ICE app (same as iOS unlock screen stuff)

> I only quickly skimmed that article, but they all seem scamm'ish to
> me, so I'll move on to other apps (unless someone says otherwise).

> This article lists five free apps "that can call for help":
> 5 Free Personal Safety Apps that Can Call For Help
> http://www.techlicious.com/tip/free-personal-safety-apps/

> 1. bSafe (broadcasts video and beeps and calls people when you are scared)
> 2. Kitestring (keeps asking you if you're ok, and if not, it alerts 
> others)
> 3. SafeTrek (alert police when you *lift* your thumb *off* the red 
> button!)
> 4. Bugle (leave the phone at home & it calls the cops if you don't return)
> 5. Samsung Safety Assistance (notify a list of contacts)

I think there is something to be said for an app that either works out when
you have got up and if you haven't, eventually asks if you are alright and
if you don’t respond, calls the numbers you specify. That would be useful
for those who live alone and would hopefully catch most of the situations
where you say fall and can't get up and don’t have your phone with you
at the time and so can't call for assistance yourself etc.

> As usual, if you read two articles that are supposedly on the same topic,
> and *none* of the apps cross pollinate, that's a sign that the scammish
> nature of the apps is predominant. (It's not proof - just a sign.)

> Moving on to this (and noting the source), at least some apps finally 
> cross
> pollinate, which is a better sign that you're getting slightly closer to
> the good stuff:
> 11 apps that can save your life in case of an emergency
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/10-apps-save-life-case-emergency-article-1.2438105

> 1. Medical ID (same as the ICE stuff above)
> 2. ICE Standard (same as ICE stuff above)
> 3. Bugle (calls the cops if you don't get back to your phone in time)
> 4. Kitestring (nags you and then alerts others if you don't respond)
> 5. Family Locator/Life360  (tracks you and your family for the NSA)
> 6. Red Panic Button (calls the cops when press the button)
> 7. Siren GPS (calls 911 and sends them your GPS location)
> 8. SafeTrek (alert police when you *lift* your thumb *off* the red 
> button!)
> 9. Guardly (calls your company security team)
> 10. Disaster Alert (scare mongering disaster stuff)
> 11. Natural Disaster Monitor (less personal scare mongering disaster 
> stuff)

> There were plenty of other articles on the subject but this post is too
> long already:

> DISCLAIMER: I only *skimmed* the articles for the gist of what the apps 
> do,
> since the true measure of an app is how horrendous it is in setup and use,
> not what the marketing guys "say" it will do. 

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#34956

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:45:35 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> I think there is something to be said for an app that either works out when
> you have got up and if you haven't, eventually asks if you are alright and
> if you don┤ respond, calls the numbers you specify. That would be useful
> for those who live alone and would hopefully catch most of the situations
> where you say fall and can't get up and don┤ have your phone with you
> at the time and so can't call for assistance yourself etc.

I was thinking about that old American commercial, a few decades ago, where
an old lady falls down the stairs and says "I've fallen and I can't get
up". 

It was perfectly tuned MARKETING fear mongering, and FUD worked as well
then as it does now.

Still, for those who *need* it, I can't possibly disagree with you, that it
will make them *feel* safe to have the app constantly nag them to ask if
they're OK.

I could even use it, I guess, when I go pot farmer hunting ... :)

Pssst.... it won't help me because *feeling* safe and *being* safe are two
totally different things ... but they might be able to locate the body for
a decent burial.

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#34964

"Horace Algier" <horatio@horatio.net> wrote in message 
news:nsm045$9vf$1@news.mixmin.net...
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 14:45:35 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> I think there is something to be said for an app that either works out 
>> when
>> you have got up and if you haven't, eventually asks if you are alright 
>> and
>> if you don¢t respond, calls the numbers you specify. That would be useful
>> for those who live alone and would hopefully catch most of the situations
>> where you say fall and can't get up and don¢t have your phone with you
>> at the time and so can't call for assistance yourself etc.
>
> I was thinking about that old American commercial, a few decades ago, 
> where
> an old lady falls down the stairs and says "I've fallen and I can't get
> up".
>
> It was perfectly tuned MARKETING fear mongering, and FUD worked as well
> then as it does now.
>
> Still, for those who *need* it, I can't possibly disagree with you, that 
> it
> will make them *feel* safe to have the app constantly nag them to ask if
> they're OK.
>
> I could even use it, I guess, when I go pot farmer hunting ... :)
>
> Pssst.... it won't help me because *feeling* safe and *being* safe are two
> totally different things ... but they might be able to locate the body for
> a decent burial.

It would help plenty who live alone who have a bad fall and
can't get up. There are a few of those on the reality TV series
and some found dead who didn’t manage to get any help too.

And it happened to a mate of mine too who was so obscenely
obese that he managed to fall down behind the bed and it took
a crew of at least 6 emergency personnel to get him up again.
In his case his wife could call them, but if he had been living
alone, it would have avoided him ending up dead. 

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#34942

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:23:10 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

>> Rod, can you elucidate a little bit on what you were alluding to when you
>> mentioned there was some kind of emergency mechanism on iOS?
> 
> That bit of the health app that allows anyone to see that on the lock screen 
> of your phone.

Oh. OK. Thanks. Maybe that health app is only on the phone, but still, it's
not a big deal (I like the emergency-SMS apps I outlined better, for
example, as they do what we'd need in an emergency before we're dead.)

That health app, which, I guess does its job *after* you're dead and your
screen is still locked, doesn't seem to exist on "my" iPad, at least not if
it's named "health.anything".

My iPad was, on purpose, kept on 7.x for as long as possible (since Apple
screws up things outside the walled garden) so when I was forced to move
(due to kids complaining games no longer would work on 7.x) it was to
9.something, thankfully skipping 8.whatever altogether.

Since the health app came with iOS 8, maybe that's why I don't have it?
Or do none of the iPads have that Health app by default?

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#34946

"Horace Algier" <horatio@horatio.net> wrote in message 
news:nskk08$51k$2@news.mixmin.net...
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:23:10 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>>> Rod, can you elucidate a little bit on what you were alluding to when 
>>> you
>>> mentioned there was some kind of emergency mechanism on iOS?
>>
>> That bit of the health app that allows anyone to see that on the lock 
>> screen
>> of your phone.
>
> Oh. OK. Thanks. Maybe that health app is only on the phone, but still, 
> it's
> not a big deal (I like the emergency-SMS apps I outlined better, for
> example, as they do what we'd need in an emergency before we're dead.)
>
> That health app, which, I guess does its job *after* you're dead and your
> screen is still locked, doesn't seem to exist on "my" iPad, at least not 
> if
> it's named "health.anything".
>
> My iPad was, on purpose, kept on 7.x for as long as possible (since Apple
> screws up things outside the walled garden) so when I was forced to move
> (due to kids complaining games no longer would work on 7.x) it was to
> 9.something, thankfully skipping 8.whatever altogether.
>
> Since the health app came with iOS 8, maybe that's why I don't have it?
> Or do none of the iPads have that Health app by default?

That's correct, its only on the iphones and ipod touchs. 

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#34947

On 2016-09-30 02:51:53 +0000, Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> said:

> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:23:10 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> 
>>> Rod, can you elucidate a little bit on what you were alluding to when you
>>> mentioned there was some kind of emergency mechanism on iOS?
>> 
>> That bit of the health app that allows anyone to see that on the lock screen
>> of your phone.
> 
> Oh. OK. Thanks. Maybe that health app is only on the phone, but still, it's
> not a big deal (I like the emergency-SMS apps I outlined better, for
> example, as they do what we'd need in an emergency before we're dead.)


<http://www.businessinsider.com/iphones-medical-id-could-save-your-life-2015-12>


-- 


Regards,

Savageduck

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#34948

On 2016-09-30 06:58:36 +0000, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

> On 2016-09-30 02:51:53 +0000, Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> said:
> 
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:23:10 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>> 
>>>> Rod, can you elucidate a little bit on what you were alluding to when you
>>>> mentioned there was some kind of emergency mechanism on iOS?
>>> 
>>> That bit of the health app that allows anyone to see that on the lock screen
>>> of your phone.
>> 
>> Oh. OK. Thanks. Maybe that health app is only on the phone, but still, it's
>> not a big deal (I like the emergency-SMS apps I outlined better, for
>> example, as they do what we'd need in an emergency before we're dead.)
> 
> 
> <http://www.businessinsider.com/iphones-medical-id-could-save-your-life-2015-12>

...but 
> 
it seems to no longer work that way in iOS 10.0.2.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#34957

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:06:10 -0700, Savageduck wrote:

>> <http://www.businessinsider.com/iphones-medical-id-could-save-your-life-2015-12>
> 
> ...but 
>> 
> it seems to no longer work that way in iOS 10.0.2.

Since iOS people buy the things primarily to *feel* safe, it's not
surprising that some people tout this rather minor and privacy invasive e
lock-screen ICE note as a "safety" feature.

I don't have an iPhone (I have iPads), so, if the Medical ID is *designed*
to *require* a log in to an Internet site, it's doubly bad (from a privacy
standpoint).

Even in iOS8 on an iPhone, others have made persuasive arguments *not* to
use this Medical ID "feature", as outlined in this article:
https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/iphone-medical-id/
How, Why, and Why Not to Use the iPhone Medical ID

Since you said something changed in iOS 10 with respect to this ICE
feature, I found this:
How to Access Medical ID from Lock Screen in iOS 10 on iPhone/iPad
https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-access-medical-id-from-lockscreen-in-ios-10/

It doesn't say anything about iOS 10.0.2, per se, and a quick search didn't
find anything related to the Medical ID in 10.0.2 specifically, so I'm not
sure what you're alluding to when you say it no longer works that way in
10.0.2 other than what the article says above.

In short though, Medical ID is exactly what I'd expect from Apple users who
merely want to *feel* safe, without actually *being* safe.

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#34965

"Horace Algier" <horatio@horatio.net> wrote in message 
news:nsm046$9vf$2@news.mixmin.net...
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:06:10 -0700, Savageduck wrote:
>
>>> <http://www.businessinsider.com/iphones-medical-id-could-save-your-life-2015-12>
>>
>> ...but
>>>
>> it seems to no longer work that way in iOS 10.0.2.
>
> Since iOS people buy the things primarily to *feel* safe,

Just another bare faced lie/pathetic excuse for a troll...

> it's not surprising that some people tout this rather minor and
> privacy invasive e lock-screen ICE note as a "safety" feature.

Corse it’s a safety feature when you are no longer capable
of telling the paramedics or hospital who you are etc.

> I don't have an iPhone (I have iPads), so, if the Medical ID
> is *designed* to *require* a log in to an Internet site,

It doesn’t. Its just a lock that prevents anyone who comes across
the phone from using it, no logon to any internet site involved.

> it's doubly bad (from a privacy standpoint).

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

> Even in iOS8 on an iPhone, others have made persuasive arguments
> *not* to use this Medical ID "feature", as outlined in this article:
> https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/iphone-medical-id/
> How, Why, and Why Not to Use the iPhone Medical ID

For other reasons, just privacy, because some fools
are mindlessly paranoid about their 'privacy' and
take stupid unnecessary risks to 'protect' it.

> Since you said something changed in iOS 10
> with respect to this ICE feature, I found this:
> How to Access Medical ID from Lock Screen in iOS 10 on iPhone/iPad
> https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-access-medical-id-from-lockscreen-in-ios-10/

> It doesn't say anything about iOS 10.0.2, per se, and a quick search
> didn't find anything related to the Medical ID in 10.0.2 specifically,
> so I'm not sure what you're alluding to when you say it no longer
> works that way in 10.0.2 other than what the article says above.

I haven't checked it myself. I do run 10.0.2 but haven't
setup the medical id because I don’t have any medical
conditions for which it would be useful and because if
I am ever found unconscious or completely out of it
so badly that I can't identify myself, it will be completely
trivial to work out who I am.

> In short though, Medical ID is exactly what I'd expect from Apple
> users who merely want to *feel* safe, without actually *being* safe.

Even sillier than you usually manage/even more of
a pathetic excuse for a troll than you usually manage. 

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#34884

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 22:35:52 -0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> a. 911
> b. Police/fire scanner
> c. What else?

Rod Speed brought up a point about having Google Traffic on a quick
push-button link, so that you don't waste time in a hectic situation.

Looking it up, these two articles show how easy it is to add a traffic link
to the desktop:
https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291823?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid
http://lifehacker.com/5426824/create-instant-navigation-shortcuts-from-androids-home-screen

Basically you simply long press on your desktop, and set it up from there.

Here are the simple steps, as I tried them on my phone just now:
1. http://i.cubeupload.com/PhtFyG.png (I long pressed on the desktop)
2. http://i.cubeupload.com/gkr0SO.png (I selected 'shortcuts')
3. http://i.cubeupload.com/JklWuv.png (I selected 'Maps')
4. http://i.cubeupload.com/yk0zXa.png (I entered my destination)
5. http://i.cubeupload.com/qUEtUb.png (Pressing 'save' created a link)
6. http://i.cubeupload.com/STiVuF.png (That link opens up Google Maps)

Of course, it won't work for me (since I don't have any google accounts),
but it should work for most of you (who do have google accounts).

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#34887

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 16:00:01 -0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> Here are the simple steps, as I tried them on my phone just now:
> 1. http://i.cubeupload.com/PhtFyG.png (I long pressed on the desktop)
> 2. http://i.cubeupload.com/gkr0SO.png (I selected 'shortcuts')
> 3. http://i.cubeupload.com/JklWuv.png (I selected 'Maps')
> 4. http://i.cubeupload.com/yk0zXa.png (I entered my destination)
> 5. http://i.cubeupload.com/qUEtUb.png (Pressing 'save' created a link)
> 6. http://i.cubeupload.com/STiVuF.png (That link opens up Google Maps)

Correction...

Here are the simple steps, as I tried them on my phone just now:
1. http://i.cubeupload.com/PhtFyG.png (I long pressed on the desktop)
2. http://i.cubeupload.com/gkr0SO.png (I selected 'shortcuts')
3. http://i.cubeupload.com/JklWuv.png (I selected *'Directions'*)
4. http://i.cubeupload.com/yk0zXa.png (I entered my destination)
5. http://i.cubeupload.com/qUEtUb.png (Pressing 'save' created a link)
6. http://i.cubeupload.com/STiVuF.png (It will do whatever you've set up)

If someone knows how to do the same thing on iOS, please advise so that the 
iOS users also benefit by having a traffic link in their emergency folder, 
if desired.

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#34943

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 22:35:52 -0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> Do you create an EMERGENCY folder on your mobile device (and what do you
> put inside)? 

Based on the response, people don't seem to create much of an emergency
folder nor do they do much about emergency apps.

Googling for apps, most found seem to be cross platform (as they should
be), so, it's not an iOS or Android-specific problem - but relates to all
mobile devices.

The plethora of supposed emergency apps is apparent from just the first few
Google hits, as everyone seems to want to get in on the bandwagon, so it
would take a *lot* of effort to come up with the best apps on my own.

Since others aren't adding much value, we'll probably get nowhere further
on this task, but to help out a bit, I'll review the next hit after briefly
skimming it for useful details...

iPhone/iPad Apps for emergencies
http://appadvice.com/applists/show/apps-for-emergencies

Here's just my first impression of the free ones, in order:
1. wikiHow: How to and DIY Survival Kit (jesus ... are they serious?)
2. RepairPal: Auto Repair Expert (omg ... they are serious?)
3. iWrecked - Auto accident assistant (jesus christ ... they're serious?)
4. Winter Survival Kit (omg ... more of the same)
5. iTriage (jesus ... more crap)
6. SPOT Connect (a satellite service - but how does it work?)

Other than the potential for "SPOT Connect" to be a potentially useful app,
the rest, based only on my initial inspection, defy any real definition
other than "jesus christ ... are they serious?".

Let's hope the next hit is better:
50 Emergency Apps: Turn Your Phone into a Life-Saving Device!
http://prepared-housewives.com/emergency-apps-that-might-just-save-your-life/

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#34944

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 03:01:46 -0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

> Let's hope the next hit is better:
> 50 Emergency Apps: Turn Your Phone into a Life-Saving Device!
> http://prepared-housewives.com/emergency-apps-that-might-just-save-your-life/

Looking at the list of 50 emergency apps that "turn your phone into a
life-saving device"...

50 Emergency Apps: Turn Your Phone into a Life-Saving Device!
http://prepared-housewives.com/emergency-apps-that-might-just-save-your-life/

Skimming the list, and eliminating all the "Diy emergency" apps out of
hand, at the beginning, there's the normal ICE stuff after the crap-DIY
stuff (both of which I find to be basically useless), and then there are
"organizational stuff" apps. 

For example...
Who know the Red Cross has emergency apps such as this:

Wildfire - American Red Cross By American Red Cross 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cube.arc.wfa

Interestingly, along with all the "disaster alert" apps, they do have the
scanner app we've been touting as KISS and unobtrusively free, namely 
5-0 Scanner for iOS and Scanner for Android.

The article touts an app called "Map Droyd" which claims it works without
cell service (duh, all offline maps work that way), so I don't know what
the big deal is, but I hadn't heard of "map droyd" before so I'll check it
out separately.

There's also "Google Sky Map" (which I didn't know existed either), which
maps the stars. Having grown up hiking and camping all the time, I can
navigate by the stars on my own in the northern hemisphere, but it's
probably useful for others who don't know how to tell direction from a
quick glance through clouds at the sky.

The isocline map they tout is "Back Country Navigator", and the OSM map
they list is "GPS Grid Reference". They tout MotionX GPS Drive for offline
use navigating on roads, and again we see the potentially useful "Spot
Connect" which purports to use satellite messaging (which I'm not sure how
exactly that works from a non-satellite phone when you have no signal
whatsoever).

After the map selection, there is a ton of cpr-related medical garbage, and
then we see "red panic button" again, which seems simple enough to be
somewhat useful if set up correctly.

After that, there were the inevitable scare mongering social networking
apps such as life360 and social alert...

And the article ends with a handful of completely unrelated apps that they
claim are useful, but in that list are "calculator" and "camera", so, it's
a waste of time to get that far into the article before it ends.

Overall, only two apps strike me as potentially worth a second look, which
are the satellite connection app (how the heck *can* it work?) and the
panic button app - which seems simple enough if it doesn't require logins
and idiotic marketing stuff to work).

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#34959

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 03:01:46 -0000 (UTC), Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

(...)

I like to carry *SEARCHABLE* documents instead of apps.  For example:

You might want to add in NIFOG (National Interoperability Field
Operations Guide) from our friends at the DHS.
<https://www.dhs.gov/publication/nifog-documents>
There quite a bit of useful info in
-- 
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

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#34958

On 9/27/2016 6:35 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
> Do you create an EMERGENCY folder on your mobile device (and what do you
> put inside)?
snip...

Simple answer is: if you've been sensible and put a strong passcode on your 
phone then anything in this EMERGENCY folder will be pretty much useless 
unless someone manages to break into your phone if they lay hands on it. 
All I do on my Android devices is to enter a 'lock screen message' which 
shows my name, mailing address (P.O. Box, not actual street address) and 
several emergency contact numbers.

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#34966

John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere> wrote
> Horace Algier wrote

>> Do you create an EMERGENCY folder on your mobile device (and what do you 
>> put inside)?

> Simple answer is: if you've been sensible and put a strong passcode on 
> your phone then anything in this EMERGENCY folder will be pretty much 
> useless unless someone manages to break into your phone if they lay hands 
> on it.

He's actually talking about what he uses himself in emergency situations.

> All I do on my Android devices is to enter a 'lock screen message' which 
> shows my name, mailing address (P.O. Box, not actual street address) and 
> several emergency contact numbers.

That’s not the sort of emergency he is talking about.
 

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#34977

On 10/1/2016 2:10 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere> wrote
>> Horace Algier wrote
>
>>> Do you create an EMERGENCY folder on your mobile device (and what do you
>>> put inside)?
>
>> Simple answer is: if you've been sensible and put a strong passcode on
>> your phone then anything in this EMERGENCY folder will be pretty much
>> useless unless someone manages to break into your phone if they lay hands
>> on it.
>
> He's actually talking about what he uses himself in emergency situations.
>
>> All I do on my Android devices is to enter a 'lock screen message' which
>> shows my name, mailing address (P.O. Box, not actual street address) and
>> several emergency contact numbers.
>
> That’s not the sort of emergency he is talking about.
>
>
Why a folder? There are multiple 'home' screens available and these 
theoretically useful apps can just be placed on, lets say, the last one. As 
one thinks of new possibilities they can be placed there and if they later 
seem to be of less use they can be removed. I can't actually think of too 
many apps that would be useful only in an emergency and only in an 
emergency since they come in an infinite number of forms. Personally I keep 
a 'daily' screen, a 'news and information' screen, a 'travel' screen, and 
an 'entertainment' screen. Guess I could move some stuff around and have 
'emergency' one at the end. Just me, I guess...

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