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  Nexus 7 (2013) Updates Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 00:17 -0500
    Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-24 14:57 +0200
      Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 10:09 -0500
        Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2016-09-24 16:22 +0000
          Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-24 19:35 +0200
        Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-09-24 17:31 +0100
    Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-09-24 14:42 +0100
      Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 10:14 -0500
        Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-24 11:53 -0400
          Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 16:14 -0500
            Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-24 17:56 -0400
            Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-25 17:23 +0200
              Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-25 20:28 -0400
                Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-25 20:33 -0400
                  Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-26 13:17 -0400
                    Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-26 13:43 -0400
      Re: Nexus 7 (2013) Updates nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-24 11:53 -0400

#34705 — Nexus 7 (2013) Updates

I noticed that I have not received the September security update on my 
Nexus 7 (2013). I am assuming that means that it has reached the end of its 
supported life as far as Google is concerned. Has anyone else with a Nexus 
7(2013) received that update?

If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going forward? 
Right now I am just staying with what I've got so far. I am thinking about 
moving to Cyanogenmod when they start integrating the new Android features 
into their build. Since I like the 7" form factor, and it continues to meet 
my needs, I am not planning on doing a hardware upgrade for a while. But it 
will be interesting to see if Google comes out with a Pixel 7 next month.

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#34714

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 00:17:10 -0500, Tim wrote:

> I noticed that I have not received the September security update on my 
> Nexus 7 (2013). I am assuming that means that it has reached the end of its 
> supported life as far as Google is concerned. Has anyone else with a Nexus 
> 7(2013) received that update?
> 
> If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going forward? 

<https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705#nexus_devices>

| Device		No guaranteed Android version updates after
| Nexus 7 (2013)	July 2015

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s|b

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#34720

"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in
news:e4nbgqFanolU1@mid.individual.net: 

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 00:17:10 -0500, Tim wrote:
> 
>> I noticed that I have not received the September security update on
>> my Nexus 7 (2013). I am assuming that means that it has reached the
>> end of its supported life as far as Google is concerned. Has anyone
>> else with a Nexus 7(2013) received that update?
>> 
>> If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going
>> forward? 
> 
> <https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705#nexus_devices>
> 
>| Device          No guaranteed Android version updates after
>| Nexus 7 (2013)     July 2015
> 
But if you look further, you will see that security updates will be 
provided for three years or 18 months after Google stops selling them. I 
guess my question is does anyone know when Google stopped selling them?

I also wanted to see if anyone else HAD received the update, which would 
mean a problem at my end.

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#34726

On 2016-09-24, Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in
> news:e4nbgqFanolU1@mid.individual.net: 
>
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 00:17:10 -0500, Tim wrote:
>> 
>>> I noticed that I have not received the September security update on
>>> my Nexus 7 (2013). I am assuming that means that it has reached the
>>> end of its supported life as far as Google is concerned. Has anyone
>>> else with a Nexus 7(2013) received that update?
>>> 
>>> If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going
>>> forward? 
>> 
>> <https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705#nexus_devices>
>> 
>>| Device          No guaranteed Android version updates after
>>| Nexus 7 (2013)     July 2015
>> 
> But if you look further, you will see that security updates will be 
> provided for three years or 18 months after Google stops selling them. I 
> guess my question is does anyone know when Google stopped selling them?
>
> I also wanted to see if anyone else HAD received the update, which would 
> mean a problem at my end.

The last security update was Aug 5, 2016.  Believe that may be the last
update for the Nexus 7, 2013.

Did read on the XDA forum for the Nexus 7 that the 2013 version got the
Marshmallow as a "freebie" as it was past support stage; something
about that it was just over the 2 year timeframe.

Someone has started/compiled a Nougat system (alpha) for the Nexus 7
but it wasn't Cyanogen & so I'll wait...

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#34739

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:22:24 -0000 (UTC), lew wrote:

> Someone has started/compiled a Nougat system (alpha) for the Nexus 7
> but it wasn't Cyanogen & so I'll wait...

I suggest you wait a little bit longer. Lots of users, myself included,
are having WiFi and Bluetooth problems after the update to Nougat. An
"issue" has been opened:
<https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=221056>

but it's set to 'Priority-Small'  and it looks like Google is doing f*ck
all to solve this problem.

-- 
s|b

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#34735

On 24/09/2016 16:09, Tim wrote:
[]
> I also wanted to see if anyone else HAD received the update, which would
> mean a problem at my end.

About, Android security patch level shows 5 August 2016 here.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#34715

On 24/09/2016 06:17, Tim wrote:
> I noticed that I have not received the September security update on my
> Nexus 7 (2013). I am assuming that means that it has reached the end of its
> supported life as far as Google is concerned. Has anyone else with a Nexus
> 7(2013) received that update?
>
> If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going forward?
> Right now I am just staying with what I've got so far. I am thinking about
> moving to Cyanogenmod when they start integrating the new Android features
> into their build. Since I like the 7" form factor, and it continues to meet
> my needs, I am not planning on doing a hardware upgrade for a while. But it
> will be interesting to see if Google comes out with a Pixel 7 next month.

If the iPad mini were a little smaller I might get one of those, but I'm 
now finding that my Moto G3 phone is enough, as it has a reasonable 
camera and I now have a reasonable data plan.  If I need something 
bigger and portable, a Linx 10-inch Windows tablet with real USB ports 
and removable keyboard might suffice.  The Linx is a fraction of the 
price of an iPad.

-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#34721

David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote in
news:ns5vs5$9js$1@dont-email.me: 

> On 24/09/2016 06:17, Tim wrote:
>> I noticed that I have not received the September security update on
>> my Nexus 7 (2013). I am assuming that means that it has reached the
>> end of its supported life as far as Google is concerned. Has anyone
>> else with a Nexus 7(2013) received that update?
>>
>> If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going
>> forward? Right now I am just staying with what I've got so far. I am
>> thinking about moving to Cyanogenmod when they start integrating the
>> new Android features into their build. Since I like the 7" form
>> factor, and it continues to meet my needs, I am not planning on doing
>> a hardware upgrade for a while. But it will be interesting to see if
>> Google comes out with a Pixel 7 next month. 
> 
> If the iPad mini were a little smaller I might get one of those, but
> I'm now finding that my Moto G3 phone is enough, as it has a
> reasonable camera and I now have a reasonable data plan.  If I need
> something bigger and portable, a Linx 10-inch Windows tablet with real
> USB ports and removable keyboard might suffice.  The Linx is a
> fraction of the price of an iPad.
> 
No thanks on Apple. I have had the experience of trying to host an Apple 
device on a Windows PC, and don't want to do that again. There is no 
doubt that Apple sells great gear, but to really use it to its full 
potential, one must drink the koolaid, and buy into the whole 
infrastructure. I have always liked the Mac GUI, and my first PC was a 
color Mac Plus, but I have too much invested in my current Windows system 
to want to switch now, even if I could afford it. If when the time comes 
there is not a good successor, I will look at the 6" and 10" devices to 
see what might work for me.

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#34725

In article <XnsA68D6828B8C37timothybilyahoocom@216.166.97.131>, Tim
<timothybil@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going
> >> forward? Right now I am just staying with what I've got so far. I am
> >> thinking about moving to Cyanogenmod when they start integrating the
> >> new Android features into their build. Since I like the 7" form
> >> factor, and it continues to meet my needs, I am not planning on doing
> >> a hardware upgrade for a while. But it will be interesting to see if
> >> Google comes out with a Pixel 7 next month. 
> > 
> > If the iPad mini were a little smaller I might get one of those, but
> > I'm now finding that my Moto G3 phone is enough, as it has a
> > reasonable camera and I now have a reasonable data plan.  If I need
> > something bigger and portable, a Linx 10-inch Windows tablet with real
> > USB ports and removable keyboard might suffice.  The Linx is a
> > fraction of the price of an iPad.
> > 
> No thanks on Apple. I have had the experience of trying to host an Apple 
> device on a Windows PC, and don't want to do that again.

what does that even mean? apple devices do not need to be 'hosted'.

> There is no 
> doubt that Apple sells great gear, but to really use it to its full 
> potential, one must drink the koolaid, and buy into the whole 
> infrastructure.

nonsense.

> I have always liked the Mac GUI, and my first PC was a 
> color Mac Plus, but I have too much invested in my current Windows system 
> to want to switch now, even if I could afford it. If when the time comes 
> there is not a good successor, I will look at the 6" and 10" devices to 
> see what might work for me.

nobody said anyone has to switch from windows.

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#34742

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:240920161153544014%nospam@nospam.invalid: 

>> > 
>> No thanks on Apple. I have had the experience of trying to host an
>> Apple device on a Windows PC, and don't want to do that again.
> 
> what does that even mean? apple devices do not need to be 'hosted'.

What do you back up to? Last I heard it was thru iTunes, and Apple no 
longer supports iTunes on Windows. If there is some other way to back it 
up please tell me.

> 
>> There is no 
>> doubt that Apple sells great gear, but to really use it to its full 
>> potential, one must drink the koolaid, and buy into the whole 
>> infrastructure.
> 
> nonsense.
> 
Steve Jobs himself said everything was designed around the Apple 
Experience, IOS on the iPhone and OSX on the Mac. Everything is designed 
to work together like an interlocking machine. Here is an example: To 
back up an iPhone one needed iTunes, yet iTunes is no longer supported on 
the Windows platform. What are those who were doing that supposed to do 
now?

>> I have always liked the Mac GUI, and my first PC was a 
>> color Mac Plus, but I have too much invested in my current Windows
>> system to want to switch now, even if I could afford it. If when the
>> time comes there is not a good successor, I will look at the 6" and
>> 10" devices to see what might work for me.
> 
> nobody said anyone has to switch from windows.
> 
No, you don't 'have' to, but it works a whole lot better, without a lot 
of aggravation if one does.

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#34747

In article <XnsA68DA5337E3B7timothybilyahoocom@216.166.97.131>, Tim
<timothybil@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >> > 
> >> No thanks on Apple. I have had the experience of trying to host an
> >> Apple device on a Windows PC, and don't want to do that again.
> > 
> > what does that even mean? apple devices do not need to be 'hosted'.
> 
> What do you back up to? Last I heard it was thru iTunes, and Apple no 
> longer supports iTunes on Windows. If there is some other way to back it 
> up please tell me.

where the world did you get that idea???? itunes is fully supported on
windows 7 and later.

as for backing up, ios devices can back up to icloud or itunes or both.
it's up to the user.

icloud backups are convenient while itunes backups are faster and with
a local copy. many people use both methods, as they each have
advantages for different reasons.

some apps also have their own backup options independent of the
underlying os, such as dropbox, google docs, etc. with such apps, you
can use any device, whether it's ios, android, mac or widows and access
the same data.

> >> There is no 
> >> doubt that Apple sells great gear, but to really use it to its full 
> >> potential, one must drink the koolaid, and buy into the whole 
> >> infrastructure.
> > 
> > nonsense.
> > 
> Steve Jobs himself said everything was designed around the Apple 
> Experience, IOS on the iPhone and OSX on the Mac. Everything is designed 
> to work together like an interlocking machine. 

they're obviously designed to work together because by doing so, they
can offer features that other companies can't. however, that doesn't
mean they don't interoperate with other systems. 

ios devices work perfectly fine with windows systems. 

other companies do the same thing. for instance, a samsung gear watch
works best with samsung phones, and originally, it *only* worked with
samsung phones.

nikon flashes work better with nikon cameras, versus sunpak or other
flashes, who have to reverse engineer the signaling and may not get
everything right. also, nikon is the only company who knows the exact
specs of their sensors, while adobe and others have to empirically
determine that and therefore the results are often considered to be not
as good. so while you can use any app you want to process images, the
'best' results are with nikon's own software (or canon for canon
cameras, sony for sony cameras, etc.).

> Here is an example: To 
> back up an iPhone one needed iTunes, yet iTunes is no longer supported on 
> the Windows platform. What are those who were doing that supposed to do 
> now?

they need to realize that they're grossly uninformed.

seriously, where in the world did you get the idea that itunes wasn't
supported on windows?

> >> I have always liked the Mac GUI, and my first PC was a 
> >> color Mac Plus, but I have too much invested in my current Windows
> >> system to want to switch now, even if I could afford it. If when the
> >> time comes there is not a good successor, I will look at the 6" and
> >> 10" devices to see what might work for me.
> > 
> > nobody said anyone has to switch from windows.
> > 
> No, you don't 'have' to, but it works a whole lot better, without a lot 
> of aggravation if one does.

of course.

obviously things work better when all products are from the same maker
because features can be added that aren't available from other makers.

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#34773

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 16:14:31 -0500, Tim wrote:

> What do you back up to? Last I heard it was thru iTunes, and Apple no 
> longer supports iTunes on Windows. If there is some other way to back it 
> up please tell me.

FYI Apple no longer supports _QuickTime_ on Windows, iTunes is still
still supported.

-- 
s|b

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#34796

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:23:47 +0200, s|b wrote:

> FYI Apple no longer supports _QuickTime_ on Windows

No longer supports the Safari browser on Windows, either. FWiW.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34797

In article <dpbk5kaytago$.c6h39111il42$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> No longer supports the Safari browser on Windows, either. FWiW.

so what. very few people used it. it was intended for developing web
apps for the iphone before there was an official iphone native app sdk.

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#34830

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 20:33:48 -0400, nospam wrote and/or omitted to write:

> In article <dpbk5kaytago$.c6h39111il42$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:23:47 +0200, s|b wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI Apple no longer supports _QuickTime_ on Windows
>>
>> No longer supports the Safari browser on Windows, either. FWiW.
> 
> so what. very few people used it. it was intended for developing web
> apps for the iphone before there was an official iphone native app sdk.

As I said: "FWiW." Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34831

In article <fyxi1e2c4dh5.8cbhc5e180o9$.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >>
> >> No longer supports the Safari browser on Windows, either. FWiW.
> > 
> > so what. very few people used it. it was intended for developing web
> > apps for the iphone before there was an official iphone native app sdk.
> 
> As I said: "FWiW." Cheers, -- tlvp

i.e. nothing

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#34724

In article <ns5vs5$9js$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor
<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> > I noticed that I have not received the September security update on my
> > Nexus 7 (2013). I am assuming that means that it has reached the end of its
> > supported life as far as Google is concerned. Has anyone else with a Nexus
> > 7(2013) received that update?
> >
> > If we are truely at end of support, what are your plans going forward?
> > Right now I am just staying with what I've got so far. I am thinking about
> > moving to Cyanogenmod when they start integrating the new Android features
> > into their build. Since I like the 7" form factor, and it continues to meet
> > my needs, I am not planning on doing a hardware upgrade for a while. But it
> > will be interesting to see if Google comes out with a Pixel 7 next month.
> 
> If the iPad mini were a little smaller I might get one of those, but I'm 
> now finding that my Moto G3 phone is enough, as it has a reasonable 
> camera and I now have a reasonable data plan.  If I need something 
> bigger and portable, a Linx 10-inch Windows tablet with real USB ports 
> and removable keyboard might suffice. 

you won't get an ipad mini because it's too big, so you get an even
bigger windows tablet?? clearly, size isn't the issue.

> The Linx is a fraction of the 
> price of an iPad.

it's also a fraction of the price of android tablets.

the reason it's so cheap is because it does a lot less, including
running 32 bit windows (not 64 bit) on a relatively slow processor with
a low resolution display.

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