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| Started by | Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> |
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| First post | 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000 |
| Last post | 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000 |
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Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 06:06 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:19 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:03 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 07:53 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 11:01 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:35 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:45 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:51 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:09 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 22:39 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 18:44 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:01 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:31 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:22 +1000
Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 23:32 +0000
Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:16 +1000
Re: OT change of topic by Rod Speed - iPhone versus Android security nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 22:22 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:10 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 11:59 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:34 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? AL <noemail@none.invalid.com> - 2016-09-21 09:27 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:32 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:12 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:02 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 03:25 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 07:47 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 21:50 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-09-21 11:09 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 17:14 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 13:35 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:04 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:27 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 03:59 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 18:11 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:33 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2016-09-21 16:49 -0500
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 08:29 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-21 23:32 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:04 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-21 21:58 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-21 19:51 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:51 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-22 18:54 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-22 16:19 -0700
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-23 00:20 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 16:08 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Graham Murray <newspost@gmurray.org.uk> - 2016-09-23 18:04 +0100
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:55 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:39 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 07:39 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-24 18:10 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 09:00 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 22:10 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 09:04 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:41 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 18:40 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:47 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 18:55 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 23:45 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 00:06 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 00:20 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-24 01:09 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 16:01 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-24 16:31 +0000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 07:35 +1000
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-09-30 12:22 +0100
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-23 13:04 -0400
Re: Do you disable carrier diagnostic software on your cell phone? Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> - 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 18:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nruiha$1gr$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34574 |
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 03:59:46 +1000, Rod Speed wrote: > But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone. Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS?
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 14:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <210920161415564412%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #34578 |
In article <nruiha$1gr$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote: > > Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS? you're *so* clueless.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 04:33 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4g237Fiq9sU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34578 |
Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone. > Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS? Apple does and they know a lot more about it than anyone in here, fuckwit troll. Nothing is sent to apple by default either.
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| From | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 16:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <TNSdnXNR2_r2nX7KnZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #34587 |
In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone.
> > Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS?
> Apple does and they know a lot more about it than anyone in here, fuckwit
> troll.
> Nothing is sent to apple by default either.
How do you clear/delete them? I have so many!
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 08:29 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4gfujFm3asU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34593 |
Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote >>> Rod Speed wrote >>>> But nothing gets sent to the carrier with an iphone. >>> Do others concur that *nothing* gets sent to the carrier in iOS? >> Apple does and they know a lot more >> about it than anyone in here, fuckwit troll. >> Nothing is sent to apple by default either. > How do you clear/delete them? I have so many! http://www.idownloadblog.com/2013/11/11/how-to-manage-ios-diagnostic-usage-data/
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 23:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nrv59q$utg$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34593 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 16:49:31 -0500, Ant wrote: > How do you clear/delete them? I have so many! What platform are you on? If you're on iOS, the platform settings are located at: Settings > Privacy > Diagnostics & Usage > Diagnostic & Usage Data If you're on Android, many of the related platform settings only occur when/if you actually create a Google Play account (which is optional, and which I have tested to work fine without). For just one example, there is no ADiD if you don't have a Google Play account. If you do have a Google Play account, then you just hit the "Google Settings" icon, and there will be a wealth of settings to customize for your needs. For example, you can opt in or out of: - Smart lock for passwords - Automatic sign in to apps - You can review security events of the past 28 days - You can review when and where devices have accessed your account - You can set your security alert settings - You can review apps connected to your account - You can turn on or off access to less-secure (older) apps - You can modify "Activity controls" (of which there are many) - You can delete Google services (like Gmail) from your account - You can wipe out the entire account - You can opt in or out of Google Location Services - You can allow remote lock or factory reset with ADM - You can scan for security threats - You can opt to send unknown apps to Google - You can delete or turn off your web search history - You can set safe search filters or turn on or off personal results - You can view and modify connected apps and devices - You can opt for a security checkup and review of security settings - You can turn on or off sync for (very many) options - etc.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 10:04 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4glfoFn8c8U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34597 |
Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote > Ant wrote >> How do you clear/delete them? I have so many! > What platform are you on? iOS > If you're on iOS, the platform settings are located at: > Settings > Privacy > Diagnostics & Usage > Diagnostic & Usage Data Can't delete them there.
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 21:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9921orfu9c7d.8gzmqmut7pmy.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #34564 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:14:44 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote: > As Savageduck and tlvp found out for Verizon "The IQ Agent software runs in > the background, and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless > the implementation includes an on-off switch". I beg to differ -- not on behalf of Savageduck, of course, who can speak for himself, but as regards me, tlvp: I've found out absolutely nothing regarding IQ Agent software in relation to my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2. I can confirm only that I am unaware of its being present -- but whether that's because it's in fact *not* present, or because it *is* present but hiding, I am in no position to know. Glad to be able to clarify the record. Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-21 19:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2016092119510040534-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #34604 |
On 2016-09-22 01:58:50 +0000, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> said: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:14:44 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote: > >> As Savageduck and tlvp found out for Verizon "The IQ Agent software runs in >> the background, and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless >> the implementation includes an on-off switch". > > I beg to differ -- not on behalf of Savageduck, of course, who can speak > for himself, but as regards me, tlvp: I've found out absolutely nothing > regarding IQ Agent software in relation to my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2. I > can confirm only that I am unaware of its being present -- but whether > that's because it's in fact *not* present, or because it *is* present but > hiding, I am in no position to know. Glad to be able to clarify the record. > > Cheers, -- tlvp Agreed. "He of Many Socks" has taken it upon himself to extrapolate what both of us wrote to something neither of us wrote, or implied. I only mentioned Verizon because my carrier is Verizon and my iPhones have been bought from them. What I said was it was Apple, not Verizon collecting the diagnostic & usage data, and what the settings options for the automatic sending, or not of that data to Apple. I found no reference to Verizon collecting any diagnostic & usage data at all. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns1mqg$rks$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34606 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:51:00 -0700, Savageduck wrote: > Agreed. > "He of Many Socks" has taken it upon himself to extrapolate what both > of us wrote to something neither of us wrote, or implied. I only > mentioned Verizon because my carrier is Verizon and my iPhones have > been bought from them. > What I said was it was Apple, not Verizon collecting the diagnostic & > usage data, and what the settings options for the automatic sending, or > not of that data to Apple. > I found no reference to Verizon collecting any diagnostic & usage data at all. Both of you seem to have jumped to conclusions that "I" never jumped to. What I said was "The IQ Agent software runs in the background, and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless the implementation includes an on-off switch". I *literally* said that. Verbatim. It's a verbatim quote from one of the references. It is a fact. You and tlvp can *assume* I said something else, but that's *exactly* what I said. I also said you and tlvp "found this out", which was wrong. So *that* part of my statement is incorrect. You found nothing out, other than you and he found nothing about Verizon collecting or not collecting the data. So you are welcome to repeat that you found nothing out, and you're welcome to call out my mistake of thinking you found something out, but the actual thing that I said is 100% verifiably true. You just didn't know it and I *though* you had figured it out - but you hadn't, and *that* was my only mistake, which I accept. This is Usenet, after all, and we don't vette our writing like we do our research papers, but at least *what* I said was 100% a fact which is... "The IQ Agent software runs in the background, and the user is not usually aware of its presence unless the implementation includes an on-off switch" In "my" case, T-Mobile included the on/off switch. Whether or not Verizon (or their resellers) included the on/off switch or even whether or not they included the software, you don't know. Anyone on Android could figure it out in a second though...just as I did.
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 22:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns1n9d$s61$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34606 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:51:00 -0700, Savageduck wrote: > "He of Many Socks" You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist. You *know* who I am, I don't hide it. (If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.) *Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.* In fact, you know more about me than I know about you, simply because I put it in my threads. However, while you are perhaps of one sock, I change my nym periodically expressly to foil mass aggregators. So, you use the coffee-shop model of Usenet, while I use the FAQ-model of USenet. That is, you apparently feel that one nym gains a personality that is shared among threads, where I feel that a thread stands alone in and of itself. So, in "my" threads, there is always enough information to answer the question, and that's usually a *lot* of information! In your model, you it up threads willy nilly, whereas I don't do that. Almost 99% of my posts are in threads that "I authored, whereas you're quite the opposite. Almost 99% of your posts are in threads someone else authored. So, you use a totally *different* model, and that's fine. But I don't deprecate your model because I don't understand it. You deprecate mine, only because you don't understand it. Think about that.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 18:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <220920161854524039%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #34615 |
In article <ns1n9d$s61$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote: > > > "He of Many Socks" > > You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist. it exists. > You *know* who I am, I don't hide it. > (If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.) you're not smart enough to hide it. > *Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.* no i don't. i have a rough idea where but not an exact address.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 16:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2016092216195620950-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #34615 |
On 2016-09-22 22:51:31 +0000, Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> said: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 19:51:00 -0700, Savageduck wrote: > >> "He of Many Socks" > > You say that implying some sort of insinsinserity which doesn't exist. > You *know* who I am, I don't hide it. > (If I wanted to, I could, but that's not the *purpose*.) I know who/what you try to present yourself as, but not who you are. Your posts ooze obsequious insincerity. > *Nospam even knows where I _live_, for heaven's sake.* All I know is, you live in the hills above San Jose, that much you have told us. However, that declaration of yours has as much validity as any statement of mine regarding my location in San Luis Obispo County, near Lake Nacimiento. > In fact, you know more about me than I know about you, simply because I put > it in my threads. There are details of your character which are easily diagnosed. As for me, I have revealed some of my personal life, education and employment history in several NGs. A number of individuals in some NGs know all the details of my identity and my real name, as well as my reasons for maintaining a single nym. > However, while you are perhaps of one sock, I change my nym periodically > expressly to foil mass aggregators. Strange, in all the time I have used my one "sock" it has never made me vulnerable to an aggregating/harvesting bot. > So, you use the coffee-shop model of Usenet, while I use the FAQ-model of > USenet. WTF is that supposed to mean? > That is, you apparently feel that one nym gains a personality that is > shared among threads, where I feel that a thread stands alone in and of > itself. Pick a nym and stick to it. I don't believe that any of us care to play your particular game. > So, in "my" threads, there is always enough information to answer the > question, and that's usually a *lot* of information! However, most of your threads live in a world of your agenda. > In your model, you it up threads willy nilly, whereas I don't do that. > Almost 99% of my posts are in threads that "I authored, whereas you're > quite the opposite. Almost 99% of your posts are in threads someone else > authored. In this NG perhaps. > So, you use a totally *different* model, and that's fine. > But I don't deprecate your model because I don't understand it. > You deprecate mine, only because you don't understand it. I believe I understand the mentality behind your "model" quite well. > Think about that. I have no reason to waste a moment on that futile exercise. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-22 22:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns1mqn$rks$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34604 |
On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:58:50 -0400, tlvp wrote: > I beg to differ -- not on behalf of Savageduck, of course, who can speak > for himself, but as regards me, tlvp: I've found out absolutely nothing > regarding IQ Agent software in relation to my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2. I > can confirm only that I am unaware of its being present -- but whether > that's because it's in fact *not* present, or because it *is* present but > hiding, I am in no position to know. Glad to be able to clarify the record. There is an *easy* way to tell, on Android because there is a free app which will tell you if you have it or not on your system. I used this app, which said Carrier IQ existed at some point: CarrierIQ Scanner & Protection by Lookout Labs https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lookout.carrieriqdetector A search shows other apps exist: Bitdefender Carrier IQ Finder, by Bitdefender https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bitdefender.ciqfinder Carrier IQ Scanner by Trend Micro https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.trendmicro.mobilelab.securetool.ciq Carrier IQ Red Pill by Sense8 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.sense8.android.ciqRedPill I stopped there as that's enough, since all the program does is give a yes/no answer. It would be interesting to see how many folks have carrier IQ running. And, to the point of this thread, how many of you disable it like I did.
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 00:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fdrlkszpzwn2$.wtz8a5klg2i$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #34611 |
On Thu, 22 Sep 2016 22:43:37 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algiers wrote: >> ... regarding IQ Agent software in relation to my VZW-branded Moto Droid X2. I >> can confirm only that I am unaware of its being present -- but whether >> that's because it's in fact *not* present, or because it *is* present but >> hiding, I am in no position to know. Glad to be able to clarify the record. > > There is an *easy* way to tell, on Android because there is a free app > which will tell you if you have it or not on your system ... :: ... [followed by a short list of such apps, presumably t be found in the :: Google Play Store or Google App Store or the like] ... None of those apps is on my system, as the store(s) won't recognize my antique 2.3.5 as worthy of being allowed to get apk files for installation. So I really *am* "in no position to know." HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 16:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns3k17$1n3c$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34633 |
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 00:20:28 -0400, tlvp wrote: > None of those apps is on my system, as the store(s) won't recognize my > antique 2.3.5 as worthy of being allowed to get apk files for installation. > So I really *am* "in no position to know." Ah, that's interesting. Gingerbread. I have a similar problem with iOS 7.1.1 on one of my iPads. I updated one of the iPads to 9.whatever but the kids deplored the move (youtube now gives *multiple* ads, they say, in their videos!). The same youtube link on the older operating system (which we kept on 7.1.1 because Apple kept breaking stuff with each new sub release) has only one advertisement per video. And, on Android, there are *never* any advertisements on youtube videos (but Android has so many options that it isn't even fair to compare to iOS when it comes to playing and downloading youtube data, particularly just stripping out the audio data - which is absolutely miserable on iOS and trivial to do on Andriod - like most things iOS versus Android).
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| From | Graham Murray <newspost@gmurray.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 18:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87r38acztf.fsf@gmurray.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #34659 |
Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> writes: > And, on Android, there are *never* any advertisements on youtube videos > (but Android has so many options that it isn't even fair to compare to iOS > when it comes to playing and downloading youtube data, particularly just > stripping out the audio data - which is absolutely miserable on iOS and > trivial to do on Andriod - like most things iOS versus Android). My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version 11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos.
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 22:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns4ato$s1q$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34663 |
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:04:44 +0100, Graham Murray wrote: > My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version > 11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos. I haven't ever seen ad ad on youtube on Android, and especially with New Pipe (which is a Youtube Red freeware replacement) on Android. Would you kindly list a URL that you say gives you ads, and I will try that URL on the two iPads and my Android phone and let you know if any ads arise, and how many. Thanks in advance.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 15:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <e4mj5oF537nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34672 |
"Horace Algiers" <horace@horacealgiers.com> wrote in message news:ns4ato$s1q$2@gioia.aioe.org... > On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 18:04:44 +0100, Graham Murray wrote: > >> My experience is otherwise. Using the Android YouTube app (version >> 11.35.60) I often get adverts before videos. > > I haven't ever seen ad ad on youtube on Android, and especially with New > Pipe (which is a Youtube Red freeware replacement) on Android. > Would you kindly list a URL that you say gives you ads, youtube appears to vary the ads it gives you based on something unspecified, so it isnt the url that matters. > and I will try that URL on the two iPads and my Android > phone and let you know if any ads arise, and how many. > Thanks in advance.
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| From | Horace Algiers <horace@horacealgiers.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 16:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns6a7u$1h3a$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #34709 |
On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:55:43 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
> youtube appears to vary the ads it gives you based on
> something unspecified, so it isnt the url that matters.
Ah, that's why I don't put you in my killfile.
You (and nospam) actually are intelligent.
So, you *have* value.
You're just too emotional to provide it, most of the time.
When you're not emotional, you're actually reasonable.
I agree with you that youtube seems to do *something* that nobody yet seems
to completely understand to *deliver* those ads.
Witness the technical thread on that topic alone:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/asxS4y6JA1Y
From: Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net>
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.mobile.android
Subject: What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms
have ads and some don't?
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 00:59:13 -0000 (UTC)
What determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms have ads
and some don't?
I have multiple platforms and multiple ways of playing youtube
videos, but, I've noticed some platforms and some apps nearly always
play an initial skippable ad, while others *never* play ads.
What is it that determines the fact that some youtube apps/platforms
have ads and some don't?
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