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  What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:02 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:10 -0400
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:34 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:37 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:56 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-09-18 14:10 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 10:20 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc6 <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 09:31 -0500
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc6 <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 09:22 -0500
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:31 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:34 -0400
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:54 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:54 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:08 +0000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:15 +0000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 21:34 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-18 05:50 +0100
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-09-18 14:12 +0000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-17 18:27 -0700
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:48 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 21:50 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 02:07 +0000
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 22:11 -0400
                    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 04:16 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:22 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2016-09-26 18:11 -0500
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-26 23:39 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-17 20:00 -0700
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 04:00 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:09 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 06:45 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 23:00 +0000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-18 23:55 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 16:22 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:38 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:57 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:57 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 06:31 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 07:11 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-09-18 18:41 +1000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-18 15:37 -0400
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 23:00 +0000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 23:00 +0000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 19:47 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-18 21:12 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-18 21:42 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 19:17 -0700
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 22:27 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-19 00:07 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 21:16 -0700
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 16:22 +0000
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-19 17:52 -0400
                    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-20 18:06 -0400
                      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-20 18:22 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 16:22 +0000
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-19 17:52 -0400
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-20 18:09 -0400
                    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000
                      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:10 +1000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-19 00:05 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-10-12 18:04 -0400
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:27 -0500
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-10-13 13:53 +0000
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:41 -0500
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-13 11:22 -0400

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#34520

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:52:06 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <df5vglp0f4gy$.82hdcjyn4o1t.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
> <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> You'd think 
>>>> somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than 
>>>> something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.
>>> 
>>> they did.
>> 
>> Who? How? Where? When? Or are you playing coy again? (Sheesh!)
> 
> there are plenty of plans where you pay for what you use, versus a
> monthly tiered rate.

And you're not about to tell anyone what any of them might be. Got it.
TYVM. Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34536

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:09:00 -0400, tlvp wrote:

> And you're not about to tell anyone what any of them might be. Got it.

Little girls like nospam love to be coy ... it's an attention thing with
them...

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#34547

"Horace Algier" <horatio@horatio.net> wrote in message 
news:nrt49i$1ioc$3@gioia.aioe.org...
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 18:09:00 -0400, tlvp wrote:
>
>> And you're not about to tell anyone what any of them might be. Got it.
>
> Little girls like nospam love to be coy ...
> it's an attention thing with them...

Even sillier and more flagrantly dishonest than you
usually manage, you pathetic excuse for a lying troll. 

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#34465

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:17:25 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> What I'd like is to buy, say, 1 GB of data for use as I see fit.  I'd 
> like to be able to use waze-like apps on the road, as well as just 
> googling for stuff when I'm not near a wifi hotspot.  You'd think 
> somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than 
> something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.

I find that my Page Plus $10-every-120-days plan rolls over enough unused
"minutes" (i.e., dimes) that I've never lacked for data on the rare
occasions that I absolutely must use Verizon cellular data when on the road
and far from an accessible wi-fi hotspot. And no I've never had to "top up"
except at the end of my 120-day intervals. HTH.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#35282

On 09/18/2016 09:42 PM, I wrote:

>>> Here, for the record, is my T-Mobile's current data charges for my plan:
>>> TABLET:
>>> - $0 for 200MB/month
>>> - $10 for 2GB/month
>>> - $20 for 6GB/month
>>> PHONE:
>>> - $100 for 4 phones unlim talk/text & 2.5GB/month per phone
>>> (They gave me a "special promo" from 9/22 to 2/19 of 4GB/month per
>>> phone)
>>> - $15 for 6GB/month
>>> - $30 for 10GB/month
>>> - $45 for unlimited data
>>
>> I forgot that you can add and cancel the T-Mobile data plans at any time,
>> so, effectively, you can use them whenever you think you'll *need* data.
>>
>> So that makes T-Mobile far *cheaper* than Google Fi for data (half the
>> price).
>>
>> Given that, I must ask: Is there *any* compelling reason to use Google
>> Fi?
>
> I've lost track: maybe you have an old plan that is no longer available.
> What I see on the T-Mobile Web site is a limited-time offer of a $20/mo.
> tablet-specific *add-on to an existing voice plan*.
>
> Our current two phones on the only postpaid T-Mobile plan I see on their
> Web site would cost $120/mo., including far more data than I can imagine
> us ever using. The cheapest prepaid family plan would cost $80/mo.,
> including more than twice as much data as we are currently using. Our
> Project Fi service is costing less than $60/mo. because we get
> rebates/credits for the data we don't use.
>
> And yes, an *extra* 1GB even on some expensive Verizon plans that
> already include data is less than the $10 each 1GB costs on Project Fi.
> But what is the *total* cost? How much is one already paying for the
> first xGB of data with Verizon before one gets those extra GB for less
> than $10/mo. each? (And the last time I checked out Verizon plans, I saw
> that each smart phone incurred an extra $20/mo. charge on top of the
> other charges.)
>
> And I have already agreed that Project Fi is not advantageous for
> everyone -- not even if comparing new plans rather than including old
> "grandfathered" plans -- especially if you have people using a lot of
> data. E.g., there is no built-in overall cap and no slow-down after xGB:
> if you had a teenager using multiple GB of data, you could end up with a
> huge bill. But there *may be* Project Fi group plans in the works with a
> "rationing" feature.

The Project Fi group plan was announced yesterday: $20/mo. for the first 
line, $15/mo. for each of up to five more. Still the same minimum 
$10/GB/mo. per line but with rebates for unused data. The plan "owner" 
and "managers" can cut off users who go over their data allowance.

Took ten minutes or less to switch my wife from her own separate plan to 
our new group plan. Total $55/mo. for the two lines, but with rebates 
for the unused data we should end up at $45/mo. or less.

Perce

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#35283

Percival P. Cassidy <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
> On 09/18/2016 09:42 PM, I wrote:
> 
>>>> Here, for the record, is my T-Mobile's current data charges for my plan:
>>>> TABLET:
>>>> - $0 for 200MB/month
>>>> - $10 for 2GB/month
>>>> - $20 for 6GB/month
>>>> PHONE:
>>>> - $100 for 4 phones unlim talk/text & 2.5GB/month per phone
>>>> (They gave me a "special promo" from 9/22 to 2/19 of 4GB/month per
>>>> phone)
>>>> - $15 for 6GB/month
>>>> - $30 for 10GB/month
>>>> - $45 for unlimited data
>>> 
>>> I forgot that you can add and cancel the T-Mobile data plans at any time,
>>> so, effectively, you can use them whenever you think you'll *need* data.
>>> 
>>> So that makes T-Mobile far *cheaper* than Google Fi for data (half the
>>> price).
>>> 
>>> Given that, I must ask: Is there *any* compelling reason to use Google
>>> Fi?
>> 
>> I've lost track: maybe you have an old plan that is no longer available.
>> What I see on the T-Mobile Web site is a limited-time offer of a $20/mo.
>> tablet-specific *add-on to an existing voice plan*.
>> 
>> Our current two phones on the only postpaid T-Mobile plan I see on their
>> Web site would cost $120/mo., including far more data than I can imagine
>> us ever using. The cheapest prepaid family plan would cost $80/mo.,
>> including more than twice as much data as we are currently using. Our
>> Project Fi service is costing less than $60/mo. because we get
>> rebates/credits for the data we don't use.
>> 
>> And yes, an *extra* 1GB even on some expensive Verizon plans that
>> already include data is less than the $10 each 1GB costs on Project Fi.
>> But what is the *total* cost? How much is one already paying for the
>> first xGB of data with Verizon before one gets those extra GB for less
>> than $10/mo. each? (And the last time I checked out Verizon plans, I saw
>> that each smart phone incurred an extra $20/mo. charge on top of the
>> other charges.)
>> 
>> And I have already agreed that Project Fi is not advantageous for
>> everyone -- not even if comparing new plans rather than including old
>> "grandfathered" plans -- especially if you have people using a lot of
>> data. E.g., there is no built-in overall cap and no slow-down after xGB:
>> if you had a teenager using multiple GB of data, you could end up with a
>> huge bill. But there *may be* Project Fi group plans in the works with a
>> "rationing" feature.
> 
> The Project Fi group plan was announced yesterday: $20/mo. for the first 
> line, $15/mo. for each of up to five more. Still the same minimum 
> $10/GB/mo. per line but with rebates for unused data. The plan "owner" 
> and "managers" can cut off users who go over their data allowance.
> 
> Took ten minutes or less to switch my wife from her own separate plan to 
> our new group plan. Total $55/mo. for the two lines, but with rebates 
> for the unused data we should end up at $45/mo. or less.
> 
I love the Project Fi concept and would be on it if it supported iPhones
and had either Verizon or AT&T as one of the providers.  But even with
Android they only support a small number of Google branded phones.  Leaves
out Samsung and all the other Android phone providers.  Pretty much tells
me that Google doesn't plan on it being a huge MVNO or they think the few
models they have to sell will be enough.  Should be interesting to see how
it all jells out going forward.

-- 
Elfin

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#35295

In
news:1506007867.498003871.902656.elfinarc6-gmail.com@news.individual.net
ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> wrote: 

> But even with Android they only support a small number of Google
> branded phones. Leaves out Samsung and all the other Android phone
> providers.  Pretty much tells me that Google doesn't plan on it being
> a huge MVNO or they think the few models they have to sell will be
> enough. 

As I understand it, the limitations on what phones it will support are
that it requires phones that can do both GSM and CDMA (lots of phones do
that today), support VoLTE and WiFi calling on all of the carriers it
currently operates on (T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular) as well as
operate on all the bands that the carriers use. 

The ability to dynamically switch among those carriers and WiFi is also
a requirement, but I don't know if that's a hardware task or software. 

-- 
bert@iphouse.com	St. Paul, MN

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#35297

Bert <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
> In
> news:1506007867.498003871.902656.elfinarc6-gmail.com@news.individual.net
> ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
>> But even with Android they only support a small number of Google
>> branded phones. Leaves out Samsung and all the other Android phone
>> providers.  Pretty much tells me that Google doesn't plan on it being
>> a huge MVNO or they think the few models they have to sell will be
>> enough. 
> 
> As I understand it, the limitations on what phones it will support are
> that it requires phones that can do both GSM and CDMA (lots of phones do
> that today), support VoLTE and WiFi calling on all of the carriers it
> currently operates on (T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular) as well as
> operate on all the bands that the carriers use. 
> 
> The ability to dynamically switch among those carriers and WiFi is also
> a requirement, but I don't know if that's a hardware task or software. 
> 
That last is the key issue to work with Project Fi and I think it is in the
firmware.  You can use almost any phone with Project Fi but only that
limited list will activate on Project Fi.  When I had it I stuck the SIM in
my iPhone 6+ and it worked fine but it is locked into T-Mobile only and no
wifi calling either.  Note that my iPhone 6+ had all the right radios for
GSM and CDMA.




-- 
Elfin

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#35299

In article <XnsA6A05A76BB8BCVeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1>, Bert
<bert@iphouse.com> wrote:

> > But even with Android they only support a small number of Google
> > branded phones. Leaves out Samsung and all the other Android phone
> > providers.  Pretty much tells me that Google doesn't plan on it being
> > a huge MVNO or they think the few models they have to sell will be
> > enough. 
> 
> As I understand it, the limitations on what phones it will support are
> that it requires phones that can do both GSM and CDMA (lots of phones do
> that today), support VoLTE and WiFi calling on all of the carriers it
> currently operates on (T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular) as well as
> operate on all the bands that the carriers use. 

most phones do.

> The ability to dynamically switch among those carriers and WiFi is also
> a requirement, but I don't know if that's a hardware task or software.

custom firmware.

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