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  There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 08:07 +0000
    Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-14 05:59 -0400
      Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> - 2016-09-14 18:58 +0100
        Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-14 14:10 -0400
        Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 19:53 +0000
          Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-14 15:59 -0400
        Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 18:11 +0000
          Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-16 14:46 -0400
            Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-16 19:30 +0000
              Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-16 15:40 -0400
                Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:10 +0000
                  Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-16 23:19 -0400
                    Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:57 +0000
                      Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 00:06 -0400
                      Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-09-20 11:42 -0400
                        Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-20 17:02 +0000
                          Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-20 13:32 -0400
                            Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000
                              Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:09 +1000
                          Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-09-20 14:06 -0400
                            Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000
                              Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:03 +1000
                          Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 04:19 +1000
                  Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:57 +1000
              Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 10:11 +1000
                Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:10 +0000
                  Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 15:27 +1000
                Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2016-09-17 10:09 -0400
                  Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 05:05 +1000
                    Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 22:35 +0000
                      Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 18:42 -0400
                        Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 02:06 +0000
                      Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:32 +1000
                        Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 02:06 +0000
                          Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 15:25 +1000
                            Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 07:11 +0000
                              Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 07:31 +0000
                              Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 19:21 +1000
                                Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 23:00 +0000
                                  Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:46 +1000
                                    Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 16:22 +0000
                                      Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 05:40 +1000
            Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 15:42 -0400
              Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-17 03:10 +0000
                Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 15:21 +1000
      Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-14 18:05 +0000
        Re: There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-14 14:10 -0400

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#34217 — There are now "unlock" apps on the app store (in addition to unlock emails)

This is just FYI as I just got off the phone with USA T-Mobile because they
lied (four times) telling me that they lock *all* their phones when there
is a balance due on the phone (which just isn't true).

However, if your phone from T-Mobile is carrier locked, and if 40 days have
passed (even if you owe money for the phone) but your service is paid up
and not past due and your account isn't suspended, then T-Mobile *will*
unlock your phone.

There are TWO ways to T-mobile suggests you unlock your phone:
1. Ask them to email you an unlock code email (which you knew about)
2. Use the App Store unlock app (which is news to me as of today)

HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011

HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en

This unlock topic came up when I asked T-Mobile (multiple times) if the new
"free" iPhone6-to-iPhone7 trade in will be locked, to which they said
(i.e., they lied) that "all T-mobile phones are carrier locked if you owe
money on the phone".

I knew that wasn't true, but they insisted it was true, so I told them to
just send me the unlock code for the Nexus 5 that I financed from them for
two years, and this came back during the phone call, proving the Nexus 5
device was unlocked from the start (even though I owed money on it for two
years):
http://i.cubeupload.com/HpZFzy.jpg

My main point of this message is just informative:

a. Not all phones (even from the carrier & even if you owe money on them)
are locked from the outset.

b. If they are locked, T-Mobile will unlock them after 40 days, even if you
owe money on them (as long as your *service* contract is paid up at the
time).

There are two ways to unlock that phone at the 40-day mark:
1. The old way (with the email)
2. The new way (with the app)

HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011

HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en

This is fyi.

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#34219

In article <nrb0f0$129i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> This is just FYI as I just got off the phone with USA T-Mobile because they
> lied (four times) telling me that they lock *all* their phones when there
> is a balance due on the phone (which just isn't true).

you're so in over your head.

> However, if your phone from T-Mobile is carrier locked, and if 40 days have
> passed (even if you owe money for the phone) but your service is paid up
> and not past due and your account isn't suspended, then T-Mobile *will*
> unlock your phone.
> 
> There are TWO ways to T-mobile suggests you unlock your phone:
> 1. Ask them to email you an unlock code email (which you knew about)
> 2. Use the App Store unlock app (which is news to me as of today)
> 
> HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011

did you even *read* what's on that page???

namely this part, which is at the *top*:
  Device Unlock is an Android app that allows you to request and apply
  a mobile device unlock directly from the device.

> HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en
> 
> This unlock topic came up when I asked T-Mobile (multiple times) if the new
> "free" iPhone6-to-iPhone7 trade in will be locked, to which they said
> (i.e., they lied) that "all T-mobile phones are carrier locked if you owe
> money on the phone".
> 
> I knew that wasn't true, but they insisted it was true, so I told them to
> just send me the unlock code for the Nexus 5 that I financed from them for
> two years, and this came back during the phone call, proving the Nexus 5
> device was unlocked from the start (even though I owed money on it for two
> years):
> http://i.cubeupload.com/HpZFzy.jpg
> 
> My main point of this message is just informative:

then you failed.

you're *so* fucking lost.

> a. Not all phones (even from the carrier & even if you owe money on them)
> are locked from the outset.
> 
> b. If they are locked, T-Mobile will unlock them after 40 days, even if you
> owe money on them (as long as your *service* contract is paid up at the
> time).
> 
> There are two ways to unlock that phone at the 40-day mark:
> 1. The old way (with the email)
> 2. The new way (with the app)
> 
> HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011
> 
> HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en
> 
> This is fyi.

and wrong.

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#34230

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:59:21 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <nrb0f0$129i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
> <horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
>
>> This is just FYI as I just got off the phone with USA T-Mobile because they
>> lied (four times) telling me that they lock *all* their phones when there
>> is a balance due on the phone (which just isn't true).
>
> you're so in over your head.
>
>> However, if your phone from T-Mobile is carrier locked, and if 40 days have
>> passed (even if you owe money for the phone) but your service is paid up
>> and not past due and your account isn't suspended, then T-Mobile *will*
>> unlock your phone.
>>
>> There are TWO ways to T-mobile suggests you unlock your phone:
>> 1. Ask them to email you an unlock code email (which you knew about)
>> 2. Use the App Store unlock app (which is news to me as of today)
>>
>> HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
>> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011
>
> did you even *read* what's on that page???
>
> namely this part, which is at the *top*:
>   Device Unlock is an Android app that allows you to request and apply
>   a mobile device unlock directly from the device.
>
>> HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en
>>
>> This unlock topic came up when I asked T-Mobile (multiple times) if the new
>> "free" iPhone6-to-iPhone7 trade in will be locked, to which they said
>> (i.e., they lied) that "all T-mobile phones are carrier locked if you owe
>> money on the phone".
>>
>> I knew that wasn't true, but they insisted it was true, so I told them to
>> just send me the unlock code for the Nexus 5 that I financed from them for
>> two years, and this came back during the phone call, proving the Nexus 5
>> device was unlocked from the start (even though I owed money on it for two
>> years):
>> http://i.cubeupload.com/HpZFzy.jpg
>>
>> My main point of this message is just informative:
>
> then you failed.
>
> you're *so* fucking lost.
>
>> a. Not all phones (even from the carrier & even if you owe money on them)
>> are locked from the outset.
>>
>> b. If they are locked, T-Mobile will unlock them after 40 days, even if you
>> owe money on them (as long as your *service* contract is paid up at the
>> time).
>>
>> There are two ways to unlock that phone at the 40-day mark:
>> 1. The old way (with the email)
>> 2. The new way (with the app)
>>
>> HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
>> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011
>>
>> HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en
>>
>> This is fyi.
>
> and wrong.

How wrong, brave anonymous abuser? The OP wrote that using T-Mobile's app
was an alternative to requesting the unlock code to be delivered by T-Mobile
via email for manual entry and it appears to be exactly that.

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#34232

In article <3f3jtb9tfs1c08qhk8nbgb7b437k8jhekq@4ax.com>, Anthony R.
Gold <not-for-mail@ahjg.co.uk> wrote:

> >> This is just FYI as I just got off the phone with USA T-Mobile because they
> >> lied (four times) telling me that they lock *all* their phones when there
> >> is a balance due on the phone (which just isn't true).
> >
> > you're so in over your head.
> >
> >> However, if your phone from T-Mobile is carrier locked, and if 40 days have
> >> passed (even if you owe money for the phone) but your service is paid up
> >> and not past due and your account isn't suspended, then T-Mobile *will*
> >> unlock your phone.
> >>
> >> There are TWO ways to T-mobile suggests you unlock your phone:
> >> 1. Ask them to email you an unlock code email (which you knew about)
> >> 2. Use the App Store unlock app (which is news to me as of today)
> >>
> >> HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
> >> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011
> >
> > did you even *read* what's on that page???
> >
> > namely this part, which is at the *top*:
> >   Device Unlock is an Android app that allows you to request and apply
> >   a mobile device unlock directly from the device.
> >
> >> HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
> >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en
> >>
> >> This unlock topic came up when I asked T-Mobile (multiple times) if the new
> >> "free" iPhone6-to-iPhone7 trade in will be locked, to which they said
> >> (i.e., they lied) that "all T-mobile phones are carrier locked if you owe
> >> money on the phone".
> >>
> >> I knew that wasn't true, but they insisted it was true, so I told them to
> >> just send me the unlock code for the Nexus 5 that I financed from them for
> >> two years, and this came back during the phone call, proving the Nexus 5
> >> device was unlocked from the start (even though I owed money on it for two
> >> years):
> >> http://i.cubeupload.com/HpZFzy.jpg
> >>
> >> My main point of this message is just informative:
> >
> > then you failed.
> >
> > you're *so* fucking lost.
> >
> >> a. Not all phones (even from the carrier & even if you owe money on them)
> >> are locked from the outset.
> >>
> >> b. If they are locked, T-Mobile will unlock them after 40 days, even if you
> >> owe money on them (as long as your *service* contract is paid up at the
> >> time).
> >>
> >> There are two ways to unlock that phone at the 40-day mark:
> >> 1. The old way (with the email)
> >> 2. The new way (with the app)
> >>
> >> HERE IS THE IOS UNLOCK APP:
> >> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011
> >>
> >> HERE IS THE ANDROID UNLOCK APP:
> >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tmobile.simlock&hl=en
> >>
> >> This is fyi.
> >
> > and wrong.
> 
> How wrong, brave anonymous abuser? The OP wrote that using T-Mobile's app
> was an alternative to requesting the unlock code to be delivered by T-Mobile
> via email for manual entry and it appears to be exactly that.

you're as lost as he is.

this has nothing whatsoever to do with unlocking.

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#34236

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:58:38 +0100, Anthony R. Gold wrote:

> The OP wrote that using T-Mobile's app
> was an alternative to requesting the unlock code to be delivered by T-Mobile
> via email for manual entry and it appears to be exactly that.

You are correct.

What nospam is apparently saying is that I goofed in that I *thought* there
was *also* an iOS unlocking app from T-Mobile.

But the unlocking app is only on Android, apparently.

Other than that one mistake (that the iOS app does not exist apparently),
everything else was correct.

https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-14011

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#34238

In article <nrc9r3$1mfo$8@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> 
> Other than that one mistake (that the iOS app does not exist apparently),
> everything else was correct.

no it wasn't.

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#34291

On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:58:38 +0100, Anthony R. Gold wrote:

> The OP wrote that using T-Mobile's app
> was an alternative to requesting the unlock code to be delivered by T-Mobile
> via email for manual entry and it appears to be exactly that.

Hi Anthony,
The response from nospam is classic becuase he just doesn't like anytime
Android has functionality that iOS doesn't - so - all his posts are just
sour grapes.

Anyway, I called T-Mobile today to ask for details about the app from their
second-level support team, and it turns out that there is a caveat which
you should be aware of.

This is hard to swallow, but this is what they told me:

1. You can no longer ask for an unlock code to be sent to you by email if
your phone is eligable for the app.

2. The only phones eligiable for the Android unlocking app are the Samsung
Galaxy S5 and above, and the LG phones V10 and above and a few smaller
manufacturers.

3. If you have one of those phones, you *must* use the app, they say - and
- you will be faced with two choices - one of which may be grayed out:
a. Unlock for 30 days only
b. Unlock permanently

4. Whether or not a permanent unlock is available will only depend on
whether the phone is paid off or not, according to T-Mobile.

5. However, interestingly, if you have *any other phone* (iOS or Android),
then after 40 days of use on their service, they *will* unlock it
permanently "if" you say you're going overseas.

Given that, notice that you have *more functionality* if you *don't* have
the phones which quality for the Android app - in that you can permenantly
unlock any phone when going overseas after 40 days *except* those listed
phones, even if you still *owe* a balance on the phone!

Bear in mind, I was *extremely clear* with T-Mobile when I asked them these
questions, as I explicitly mentioned that I plan on giving the phone to
another person once I trade it in, and they said that as long as I stayed
on the T-Mobile service for 2 years, they don't care what I do with the
phone.

3. 

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#34297

In article <nrhcl6$1ta9$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> 
> > The OP wrote that using T-Mobile's app
> > was an alternative to requesting the unlock code to be delivered by T-Mobile
> > via email for manual entry and it appears to be exactly that.
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> The response from nospam is classic becuase he just doesn't like anytime
> Android has functionality that iOS doesn't - so - all his posts are just
> sour grapes.

i have no problem with android having functionality that ios doesn't
which is why i have android devices in addition to ios devices.

i do have a problem with those who lie about what ios can and cannot
do, lie about what i say or think and in general, talk out their ass.



> Bear in mind, I was *extremely clear* with T-Mobile when I asked them these
> questions, as I explicitly mentioned that I plan on giving the phone to
> another person once I trade it in, and they said that as long as I stayed
> on the T-Mobile service for 2 years, they don't care what I do with the
> phone.

as long as you keep paying for the phone, why would they care what you
do with it?

you wanted something for free. it ain't free.

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#34301

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:46:20 -0400, nospam wrote:

> as long as you keep paying for the phone, why would they care what you
> do with it?
> 
> you wanted something for free. it ain't free.

With respect to the trade-in-deal with T-Mobile, where you trade in an
iPhone 6 for an iPhone 7, you never *pay* for the phone. The fine print
shows that you simply *get* the phone.

What you do with the phone after you receive it is your business.
T-Mobile doesn't care *what* you do with the *phone*.

They only care that you stay on your current T-Mobile *service* for two
years.

That you can't distinguish between *service* and *phone* is disturbingly
obvious.

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#34304

In article <nrhh8b$57i$3@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> 
> > as long as you keep paying for the phone, why would they care what you
> > do with it?
> > 
> > you wanted something for free. it ain't free.
> 
> With respect to the trade-in-deal with T-Mobile, where you trade in an
> iPhone 6 for an iPhone 7, you never *pay* for the phone. The fine print
> shows that you simply *get* the phone.

read it again.

ask for help on the bigger words, such as the ones with more than two
syllables.

> What you do with the phone after you receive it is your business.
> T-Mobile doesn't care *what* you do with the *phone*.

as long as you pay for it, exactly as i said.

> They only care that you stay on your current T-Mobile *service* for two
> years.

in other words, you're paying for it.

> That you can't distinguish between *service* and *phone* is disturbingly
> obvious.

the only one who can't distinguish the difference is you.

you're very confused.

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#34325

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:40:58 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ask for help on the bigger words, such as the ones with more than two
> syllables.

You can't insult your way out of the fact you still thought until now that
T-Mobile charges you if you don't actually ever use the phone on the
service plan.

BTW, there's also a Costco avernue for the free iPhone 7 deal:
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-32234

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#34326

In article <nric6s$184e$5@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> 
> > ask for help on the bigger words, such as the ones with more than two
> > syllables.
> 
> You can't insult your way out of the fact you still thought until now that
> T-Mobile charges you if you don't actually ever use the phone on the
> service plan.

stop lying about what i think or know.

> BTW, there's also a Costco avernue for the free iPhone 7 deal:
> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-32234

if they're free, why don't you go get 50 of them and flip them on ebay.

as you said, t-mobile doesn't care what you do with them.

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#34327

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:19:07 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> BTW, there's also a Costco avernue for the free iPhone 7 deal:
>> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-32234
> 
> if they're free, why don't you go get 50 of them and flip them on ebay.
> 
> as you said, t-mobile doesn't care what you do with them.

Because I don't have 50 iPhone 6s to trade in, that's why.
Remember, the iPhone 6 *was* free.
Totally free.
As in zero dollars.

It will cost $10 or so to fix the screen though.

So, in reality, she gets an iPhone 7 for $10 plus about $60 tax.
She already told me it's not worth it - but I might pay the tax for her
anyway as I think it's a good deal myself.

And I know a good deal when I see it.

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#34328

In article <nrievj$1ank$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> It will cost $10 or so to fix the screen though.

good luck with that one. you're going to need it, for reasons well
beyond your ability to comprehend.



> And I know a good deal when I see it.

sure you do. that's why you fuck around with all sorts of crappy free
apps when a 99 cent app would greatly simply everything.

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#34509

On 9/16/2016 11:57 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:19:07 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>>> BTW, there's also a Costco avernue for the free iPhone 7 deal:
>>> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-32234
>> if they're free, why don't you go get 50 of them and flip them on ebay.
>>
>> as you said, t-mobile doesn't care what you do with them.
> Because I don't have 50 iPhone 6s to trade in, that's why.
> Remember, the iPhone 6 *was* free.
> Totally free.
> As in zero dollars.

There's no free lunch or phone.  The trade-in has value, say $300.00 for 
example.  You're handing them $300.00 and getting an iPhone 7. Your plan 
also has built-in cost that pays for subsidized phones. Whether you 
think so or not, or whether or not the fine print indicates, you're 
paying for that iPhone 7.

>
> It will cost $10 or so to fix the screen though.
>
> So, in reality, she gets an iPhone 7 for $10 plus about $60 tax.
> She already told me it's not worth it - but I might pay the tax for her
> anyway as I think it's a good deal myself.
>
> And I know a good deal when I see it.

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#34511

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:42:45 -0400, PAS wrote:

> There's no free lunch or phone.  The trade-in has value, say $300.00 for 
> example.  You're handing them $300.00 and getting an iPhone 7. Your plan 
> also has built-in cost that pays for subsidized phones. Whether you 
> think so or not, or whether or not the fine print indicates, you're 
> paying for that iPhone 7.

You bring up perfectly valid points, which I don't think *anyone* is
disagreeing with, since they're pretty commononly excepted truisms...

1. There is no free lunch or free phone
2. The postpaid service plan has a built-in cost that subsidizes phones

To clarify, while we never *paid* for the cracked-screen 64GB iPhone 6, it
has a "value", which you asssessed at $300, so I'll accept that as its
value.

Following your lead, we could *sell* the old 64GB iPhone 6 for $300 cash,
and, then *buy* an unlocked Qualcomm-modem 32GB iPhone 7 for $650 plus
about $50 sales tax.

So the iPhone 7 would cost $400 in the end.

As for the postpaid "service plan", remember that I already have 4 phones
on the *best* service plan in my area, bar none, for what "I" need, which
is:
a. Unlimited calls and texts (free USA calls)
b. Some data (currently 4GB/month/phone)
c. Travel goodies (20 cents/minute calls & unlimited data in Europe)

Despite all the duplicitously coy responses to the contrary from Rod Speed,
*nobody* can find a *better* postpaid price:performance plan with similar
coverage in the Silicon Valley area. Nobody.

Not on T-Mobile.
Not on Verizon.
Not on AT&T.

Not even Google Fi (which is relatively close though but it requires all
new phones!).

These are the best cell phone plans and deals out there
DATE: Monday, September 19th 2016
http://www.clark.com/best-cell-phone-deals-for-2016

Since *nobody* can find a better plan than I can, we leave it that, yes,
the phones are subsidized by the plan, but they'd have to be subsidized
anyway - whether or not I get the "free" iPhone 7.

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#34513

In article <nrrq3n$1qel$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:

> Since *nobody* can find a better plan than I can, 

they can, they just aren't interested in helping you anymore, and
'better' depends on each person's needs anyway. what's better for one
person is worse for another.

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#34535

On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 13:32:11 -0400, nospam wrote:

> 'better' depends on each person's needs anyway. what's better for one
> person is worse for another.

The fact there are only a few plans per carrier belies your statement.

Fact is, there aren't as varied needs as you imply.

a. Most get unlimited USA talk nowadays, but some could do with a lot less
b. Most get unlimited text nowadays, but some could do with a lot less
c. Most have a GB or so of data nowadays, but some could do with a lot less

That's about it for the basic needs of *most* people.
The fact that the carriers don't offer a lot of different plans shows that.

You are welcome to disagree with me on minor points (e.g., 1GB of data
versus 2GB of data) but it doesn't change the overall fact that there are
really only a couple of levels of service overall for the postpaid family
plans that I was discussing.

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#34546

Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> wrote
> nospam wrote

>> 'better' depends on each person's needs anyway.
>> what's better for one person is worse for another.

> The fact there are only a few plans per carrier

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> belies your statement.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

> Fact is, there aren't as varied needs as you imply.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and he didn’t imply, he stated.

> a. Most get unlimited USA talk nowadays,

You have no fucking idea if that is true or not.

> but some could do with a lot less

> b. Most get unlimited text nowadays,

You have no fucking idea if that is true or not.

> but some could do with a lot less

> c. Most have a GB or so of data nowadays,

You have no fucking idea if that is true or not.

> but some could do with a lot less

> That's about it for the basic needs of *most* people.

You have no fucking idea if that is true or not.

> The fact that the carriers don't offer a lot of different plans

Because the resellers do that, fuckwit.

> shows that.

Pig arse it does.

> You are welcome to disagree with me on minor points

We are welcome to expose your lies for the world to point and laugh at.

> (e.g., 1GB of data versus 2GB of data) but it doesn't change the
> overall fact that there arereally only a couple of levels of service
> overall for the postpaid family plans that I was discussing.

Because you stupidly restrict yourself to the carriers themselves. 

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#34515

On 9/20/2016 1:02 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 11:42:45 -0400, PAS wrote:
>
>> There's no free lunch or phone.  The trade-in has value, say $300.00 for
>> example.  You're handing them $300.00 and getting an iPhone 7. Your plan
>> also has built-in cost that pays for subsidized phones. Whether you
>> think so or not, or whether or not the fine print indicates, you're
>> paying for that iPhone 7.
> You bring up perfectly valid points, which I don't think *anyone* is
> disagreeing with, since they're pretty commononly excepted truisms...
>
> 1. There is no free lunch or free phone
> 2. The postpaid service plan has a built-in cost that subsidizes phones
>
> To clarify, while we never *paid* for the cracked-screen 64GB iPhone 6, it
> has a "value", which you asssessed at $300, so I'll accept that as its
> value.
>
> Following your lead, we could *sell* the old 64GB iPhone 6 for $300 cash,
> and, then *buy* an unlocked Qualcomm-modem 32GB iPhone 7 for $650 plus
> about $50 sales tax.
>
> So the iPhone 7 would cost $400 in the end.
>
> As for the postpaid "service plan", remember that I already have 4 phones
> on the *best* service plan in my area, bar none, for what "I" need, which
> is:
> a. Unlimited calls and texts (free USA calls)
> b. Some data (currently 4GB/month/phone)
> c. Travel goodies (20 cents/minute calls & unlimited data in Europe)
>
> Despite all the duplicitously coy responses to the contrary from Rod Speed,
> *nobody* can find a *better* postpaid price:performance plan with similar
> coverage in the Silicon Valley area. Nobody.
>
> Not on T-Mobile.
> Not on Verizon.
> Not on AT&T.
>
> Not even Google Fi (which is relatively close though but it requires all
> new phones!).
>
> These are the best cell phone plans and deals out there
> DATE: Monday, September 19th 2016
> http://www.clark.com/best-cell-phone-deals-for-2016
>
> Since *nobody* can find a better plan than I can, we leave it that, yes,
> the phones are subsidized by the plan, but they'd have to be subsidized
> anyway - whether or not I get the "free" iPhone 7.

I doubt you'll find a cheaper plan than the one you are already on.  May 
I ask how long you've had this plan?

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