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  What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:02 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:10 -0400
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:34 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:37 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:56 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-09-18 14:10 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 10:20 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc6 <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 09:31 -0500
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc6 <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 09:22 -0500
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:31 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 20:34 -0400
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:54 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 00:54 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:08 +0000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:15 +0000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 21:34 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-18 05:50 +0100
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-09-18 14:12 +0000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-09-17 18:27 -0700
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:48 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 21:50 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 02:07 +0000
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-17 22:11 -0400
                    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 04:16 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 01:22 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2016-09-26 18:11 -0500
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-09-26 23:39 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2016-09-17 20:00 -0700
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 04:00 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:09 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 06:45 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 23:00 +0000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-18 23:55 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 16:22 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:38 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:57 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 05:57 +0000
    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 06:31 +0000
      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 07:11 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2016-09-18 18:41 +1000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-18 15:37 -0400
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 23:00 +0000
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-18 23:00 +0000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 19:47 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-18 21:12 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 04:14 +0000
        Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-18 21:42 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 19:17 -0700
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-18 22:27 -0400
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-19 00:07 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 21:16 -0700
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 16:22 +0000
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-19 17:52 -0400
                    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-20 18:06 -0400
                      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-20 18:22 -0400
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-19 16:22 +0000
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-09-19 17:52 -0400
                  Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-20 18:09 -0400
                    Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Horace Algier <horatio@horatio.net> - 2016-09-21 05:02 +0000
                      Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:10 +1000
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-19 00:05 -0400
          Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-10-12 18:04 -0400
            Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 17:27 -0500
              Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-10-13 13:53 +0000
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? ElfinArc <elfinarc6@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 09:41 -0500
                Re: What is Google Fi and what does it mean for Android & iOS equipment? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-13 11:22 -0400

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#34448

On 09/18/2016 04:41 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:

>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 06:31:42 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:
>>
>>> Here, for the record, is my T-Mobile's current data charges for my plan:
>>> TABLET:
>>> - $0 for 200MB/month
>>> - $10 for 2GB/month
>>> - $20 for 6GB/month
>>> PHONE:
>>> - $100 for 4 phones unlim talk/text & 2.5GB/month per phone
>>> (They gave me a "special promo" from 9/22 to 2/19 of 4GB/month per phone)
>>> - $15 for 6GB/month
>>> - $30 for 10GB/month
>>> - $45 for unlimited data
>>
>> I forgot that you can add and cancel the T-Mobile data plans at any time,
>> so, effectively, you can use them whenever you think you'll *need* data.
>>
>> So that makes T-Mobile far *cheaper* than Google Fi for data (half the
>> price).
>
> Fi seems better because it refunds the unused data as cash at the end
> of the month <https://fi.google.com/about/plan/>.

Exactly! We dumped our two $30/mo. (plus taxes) T-Mo prepaid plans 
(100min + unlimited texts and 5GB of 4G data) in favor of Project Fi. 
Now we have unlimited calling and texts and have always had 
refunds/credits at the end of each month because we don't use the 1GB of 
data for which we are paying; so our bills have always been less than 
$30/mo. (excluding taxes).

My Nexus 5X is almost always connected to T-Mo, but every now and again 
I see that it's connected to Sprint. No US Cellular in this area.

If I am not mistaken, a Project Fi phone will roam to Verizon if the 
T-Mo, Sprint, and US Cellular signals are inadequate.

One potential benefit (although I have not yet had occasion to take 
advantage of it) is that I can configure the phone as a WiFi hotspot, 
which was not possible with the $30/mo. T-Mo prepaid plan.

The one minor inconvenience is that I cannot set the Caller ID seen by 
the people I call. Project Fi gives only two options: "Wireless Caller" 
and "<city> <state>".

For a large family or other group with several lines and consuming a lot 
of data, several individual Project Fi plans *may* not be the cheapest 
option, but it works fine for the two of us. (But it's being reported 
that the latest version of the Project Fi app contains code that seems 
to support group plans with the ability to manage/ration the data 
available to each user. No such capability has so far been announced by 
Google.)

Perce

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#34451

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 15:37:37 -0400, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> One potential benefit (although I have not yet had occasion to take 
> advantage of it) is that I can configure the phone as a WiFi hotspot, 
> which was not possible with the $30/mo. T-Mo prepaid plan.

With the T-Mobile plan that I have, I can tether or hotspot at will,
without penalty (AFAIK); so Google Fi has no advantage there.

Google Fi does have an advantage of switching seamlessly better than my
phone does, from WiFi to cellular - but that may be a function of the
special Nexus phone and not of the Google Fi service itself.

> The one minor inconvenience is that I cannot set the Caller ID seen by 
> the people I call. Project Fi gives only two options: "Wireless Caller" 
> and "<city> <state>".

This is interesting that CID isn't available with Google Fi.
Thanks for pointing that out.

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#34452

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 18:41:43 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

> Fi seems better because it refunds the unused data as cash at the end
> of the month <https://fi.google.com/about/plan/>.

To summarize, the T-mobile tablet data is *half* the cost of the Google Fi
data, but the Google Fi data is refunded.

The math works out differently whether you *use* the 1GB/month data, or
not.

a. If you *use* the 1GB in a given month, then you're paying *twice* as
much for that Google Fi data as you would have with T-Mobile for that same
data.

b. If you don't use the data, then Google Fi is cheaper (because you only
pay twice as much for the data that you actually use).

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#34454

In article <nrn6ap$hbp$4@gioia.aioe.org>, Horace Algier
<horatio@horatio.net> wrote:
 
> > Fi seems better because it refunds the unused data as cash at the end
> > of the month <https://fi.google.com/about/plan/>.
> 
> To summarize, the T-mobile tablet data is *half* the cost of the Google Fi
> data, but the Google Fi data is refunded.

google fi isn't for tablets.

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#34460

On 09/18/2016 07:47 PM, nospam wrote:

>>> Fi seems better because it refunds the unused data as cash at the end
>>> of the month <https://fi.google.com/about/plan/>.
>>
>> To summarize, the T-mobile tablet data is *half* the cost of the Google Fi
>> data, but the Google Fi data is refunded.
>
> google fi isn't for tablets.

Except that you can get a data-only SIM to go along with a regular 
Project Fi account. Your tablet would share the data allocation with 
your phone.

Perce

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#34469

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:12:34 -0400, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> Except that you can get a data-only SIM to go along with a regular 
> Project Fi account. Your tablet would share the data allocation with 
> your phone.

This is an interesting observation, which I appreciate, as the devil is
always in the details (and Googl MARKETING main claim of "simplicity" is
being stressed by the observations below...).

Googling, this seems to say the data-only SIM is a secondary SIM in that it
*shares* the original SIM's data allocation.

Use Project Fi with tablets & other compatible devices
https://support.google.com/fi/answer/6330195?hl=en

1. The data-only nabi SIM is only given as a *secondary* SIM
2. It shares the data on the primary (phone) SIM
3. No tethering allowed
4. The data-only nano SIM is not locked to any particular device (but *can*
be used on phones!)

So much for Google MARKETING's main claim of "simplicity"...

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#34467

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:47:03 -0400, nospam wrote:

> google fi isn't for tablets.

Apparently the Project Fi data-only nanoSIM is available for "some" tablets
and "some" phones...
-------------------
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/project-fi/RQPOse21Aa8/cx4eynKuAQAJ
Introducing data-only support from Project Fi
by Laura Holmes (Google) 12/15/15 

Hi everyone,

Today, weÿre excited to share our latest update: support for data-only
devices. With this update, you can access cellular connection from tablets
and other connected devices while on the go. Once youÿve ordered and
received a data-only SIM, just pop it into a compatible device, follow the
instructions, and voila: instant wireless connectivity. Just like with our
phone plans, youÿre charged a flat $10/GB for data and pay only for what
you use. You can cancel at any time. Have a look at our full list of
compatible devices and data-only SIM coverage map.

Existing Project Fi subscribers can order their free data-only SIMs from
the ´Account¡ page on the Project Fi website. This change is rolling out
gradually, you should see the option to order data-only SIMs sometime in
the next couple of days. If youÿre interested in being part of Project Fiÿs
Early Access Program, please visit fi.google.com to learn more about the
service and request an invite.

As the number and variety of connected devices continues to grow, so should
the number of wireless options. Weÿll continue to experiment with creative
ways to make accessing wireless from your connected device as easy as
connecting with your phone. Thanks for helping us build Project Fi.

Check out our Help Center article for more info.

Laura Holmes

Project Fi, Senior Product Manager
Edited

-------------------
Desppite what is implied above, other web pages say the data-only nanoSIM
*shares* the data from the phone (i.e., it doesn't have it's own data
alotment).

So much for Google MARKETING's vaunted main claim of "simplicity"! :)

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#34468

On 18 Sep 2016 18:51:01 -0500, Elfin wrote:

> Sure it is.  That's why they have a data sim.

Thanks for this information, as Google MARKETING's claim of "simplicity"
starts getting slightly worn on the edges when you look at the data
situation.

Anyway, here's how to activate the data-only nano SIM...
https://support.google.com/fi/answer/6330195?hl=en

For Android devices:

Note: These instructions are based on Nexus tablets running Android 6.0 and
above. Steps may vary for your particular device.

    Open the Settings app on your device.
    Tap More (under Wireless & Networks).
    Tap Cellular networks and then Access Point Names.
    Tap + (at the top of the screen).
    Tap Name and enter "Project Fi".
    Tap APN and enter "h2g2".
    Go back to the previous page.
    Select Project Fi from the list.
    If SIM setup is successful, youÿll see ´Fi Network,¡ "Project Fi," or
"T-Mobile" at the top of your screen.

For iPhone and iPad devices:

Note: These instructions are based on iPad tablets running version 9 and
above. Steps may vary for your particular device.

    Open the Settings app on your device.
    Tap Cellular Data and then APN Settings.
    For APN, enter ´h2g2¡.

If SIM setup is successful, youÿll see "Project Fi" or "T-Mobile" at the
top of your deviceÿs home screen.

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#34470

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 19:53:34 -0400, nospam wrote:

> it might work, but a tablet is not one of the three supported phones.

Compatible Devices for the data-only nano SIM:
    Nexus 7 - K009 (2013 US LTE)
    Nexus 9 - 0P82300 (2014 US LTE)
    iPad Air 2 - Model A1567 (2014)
    iPad Mini 4 - Model A1550 (2015)
    iPad Pro - Model A1652 (2015)
    Galaxy Tab S - Model SM-T807V (2015)
    Nexus 5X (North American version)
    Nexus 6 (North American version)
    Nexus 6P (North American version)

Source:
Use Project Fi with tablets & other compatible devices
https://support.google.com/fi/answer/6330195?hl=en

So much for Google MARKETING's main claim of "simplicity"...

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#34461

On 09/18/2016 03:11 AM, Horace Algier wrote:

>> Here, for the record, is my T-Mobile's current data charges for my plan:
>> TABLET:
>> - $0 for 200MB/month
>> - $10 for 2GB/month
>> - $20 for 6GB/month
>> PHONE:
>> - $100 for 4 phones unlim talk/text & 2.5GB/month per phone
>> (They gave me a "special promo" from 9/22 to 2/19 of 4GB/month per phone)
>> - $15 for 6GB/month
>> - $30 for 10GB/month
>> - $45 for unlimited data
>
> I forgot that you can add and cancel the T-Mobile data plans at any time,
> so, effectively, you can use them whenever you think you'll *need* data.
>
> So that makes T-Mobile far *cheaper* than Google Fi for data (half the
> price).
>
> Given that, I must ask: Is there *any* compelling reason to use Google Fi?

I've lost track: maybe you have an old plan that is no longer available. 
What I see on the T-Mobile Web site is a limited-time offer of a $20/mo. 
tablet-specific *add-on to an existing voice plan*.

Our current two phones on the only postpaid T-Mobile plan I see on their 
Web site would cost $120/mo., including far more data than I can imagine 
us ever using. The cheapest prepaid family plan would cost $80/mo., 
including more than twice as much data as we are currently using. Our 
Project Fi service is costing less than $60/mo. because we get 
rebates/credits for the data we don't use.

And yes, an *extra* 1GB even on some expensive Verizon plans that 
already include data is less than the $10 each 1GB costs on Project Fi. 
But what is the *total* cost? How much is one already paying for the 
first xGB of data with Verizon before one gets those extra GB for less 
than $10/mo. each? (And the last time I checked out Verizon plans, I saw 
that each smart phone incurred an extra $20/mo. charge on top of the 
other charges.)

And I have already agreed that Project Fi is not advantageous for 
everyone -- not even if comparing new plans rather than including old 
"grandfathered" plans -- especially if you have people using a lot of 
data. E.g., there is no built-in overall cap and no slow-down after xGB: 
if you had a teenager using multiple GB of data, you could end up with a 
huge bill. But there *may be* Project Fi group plans in the works with a 
"rationing" feature.

Perce

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#34462

On 09/18/2016 06:42 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> I've lost track: maybe you have an old plan that is no longer available.
> What I see on the T-Mobile Web site is a limited-time offer of a $20/mo.
> tablet-specific *add-on to an existing voice plan*.

T-Mobile changes their plans frequently.  My beloved $10/year plan has 
been gone for quite a while, and I live in fear that they'll even kill 
those who are grandfathered in.

What I'd like is to buy, say, 1 GB of data for use as I see fit.  I'd 
like to be able to use waze-like apps on the road, as well as just 
googling for stuff when I'm not near a wifi hotspot.  You'd think 
somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than 
something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority."
    -- U.S. Supreme Court, McIntyre v Ohio Elections,1995

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#34463

In article <nrnhrg$812$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> What I'd like is to buy, say, 1 GB of data for use as I see fit.  I'd 
> like to be able to use waze-like apps on the road, as well as just 
> googling for stuff when I'm not near a wifi hotspot.  You'd think 
> somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than 
> something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.

they did.

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#34466

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 22:27:07 -0400, laconic nospam, responding to Bev,
wrote:

>> You'd think 
>> somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than 
>> something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.
> 
> they did.

Who? How? Where? When? Or are you playing coy again? (Sheesh!)
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34471

On 09/18/2016 09:07 PM, tlvp wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 22:27:07 -0400, laconic nospam, responding to Bev,
> wrote:
>
>>> You'd think
>>> somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than
>>> something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.
>>
>> they did.
>
> Who? How? Where? When? Or are you playing coy again? (Sheesh!)

T-Mobile used to have a prepaid plan for a minimum of $10 (~30 minutes) 
minimum/year.  After you'd spent $100 the minutes rolled over and you 
got extra minutes each time you re-upped.  Text messages 10 cents to 
send or receive.  Photos sent for 25 cents each.   I've had it since 
2010 or 2012.  It's perfect, since I use the phone so little.



-- 
Cheers, Bev
   Giving advice likely to kill the stupid is called passive eugenics.

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#34474

On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 21:16:53 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> T-Mobile used to have a prepaid plan for a minimum of $10 (~30 minutes) 
> minimum/year.  After you'd spent $100 the minutes rolled over and you 
> got extra minutes each time you re-upped.  Text messages 10 cents to 
> send or receive.  Photos sent for 25 cents each.   I've had it since 
> 2010 or 2012.  It's perfect, since I use the phone so little.

I don't remember if you're still grandfathered on that, but I used to have
it too so you are correct.

It doesn't work that way anymore, as they suck out money each month
nowadays, so, if you're grandfathered on that old plan, keep it!

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#34493

In article <nrnorg$muf$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> T-Mobile used to have a prepaid plan for a minimum of $10 (~30 minutes) 
> minimum/year. After you'd spent $100 the minutes rolled over and you 
> got extra minutes each time you re-upped.  Text messages 10 cents to 
> send or receive.  Photos sent for 25 cents each.   I've had it since 
> 2010 or 2012.  It's perfect, since I use the phone so little.

what t-mobile had (and still has) is a month to month plan where you
pay for what you use, with $10 giving 1000 minutes (not 30 minutes),
which is a rate of 10c/minute.

there is no rollover, as there is no set monthly minutes to roll over.
there is also no data. 

you have to continually fund it, otherwise the account expires. refills
can be any amount ($10 minimum), with a $10 refill normally expiring in
90 days and $100 expiring in a year, but once you've spent $100, *any*
refill expires in a year.

the only change in their plan is that there is now a $3/mo minimum to
cut down on those who keep the plan and never use it.

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#34519

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:52:07 -0400, nospam wrote:

> with $10 giving 1000 minutes (not 30 minutes),
> which is a rate of 10c/minute.

At "10c/minute" it'd take $100 to pay for 1000 minutes, not $10.
IOW: if $10 is to pay for 1000 minutes, that comes to a penny a minute.

Or was 3rd grade arithmetic never quite your forte :-) ?

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#34521

In article <160k1vf0t60s.k1n0vw8fge8a.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> 
> > with $10 giving 1000 minutes (not 30 minutes),
> > which is a rate of 10c/minute.
> 
> At "10c/minute" it'd take $100 to pay for 1000 minutes, not $10.
> IOW: if $10 is to pay for 1000 minutes, that comes to a penny a minute.

good catch. the $100 to obtain gold level gives 1000 minutes. a $10
refill is 100 minutes.

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#34475

On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 00:07:14 -0400, tlvp wrote:

>>> You'd think 
>>> somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than 
>>> something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.
>> 
>> they did.
> 
> Who? How? Where? When? Or are you playing coy again? (Sheesh!)

Your characterization of the "game" that nospam loves to play is apropos.

coy: 
- showing reluctance, especially when insincere or affected, to reveal
one's plans or opinions, make a commitment, or take a stand

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#34492

In article <df5vglp0f4gy$.82hdcjyn4o1t.dlg@40tude.net>, tlvp
<mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> wrote:

> >> You'd think 
> >> somebody would figure that it's free money for them rather than 
> >> something that will prevent me from buying a monthly plan of some sort.
> > 
> > they did.
> 
> Who? How? Where? When? Or are you playing coy again? (Sheesh!)

there are plenty of plans where you pay for what you use, versus a
monthly tiered rate.

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