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  I was impatient "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-12 21:51 -0400
    Re: I was impatient Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-09-13 07:36 +0100
    Re: I was impatient Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-13 11:01 +0100
      Re: I was impatient Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-09-14 08:11 +0100
        Re: I was impatient Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-15 10:22 +0100
          Re: I was impatient Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-09-16 07:22 +0100
            Re: I was impatient Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-09-16 07:29 +0100
              Re: I was impatient Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-16 07:55 +0100
            Re: I was impatient Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-16 07:49 +0100
      Re: I was impatient "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-15 19:45 +0200
        Re: I was impatient Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-15 19:20 +0100
          Re: I was impatient "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-15 22:01 +0200
    Re: I was impatient Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-09-13 13:49 +0000
      Re: I was impatient "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-13 17:15 +0200
        Re: I was impatient Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2016-09-13 17:39 +0000
          Re: I was impatient "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-13 21:07 +0200
      Re: I was impatient "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-14 17:14 +0200
        Re: I was impatient Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2016-09-15 10:17 +0100
          Re: I was impatient "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-15 19:40 +0200
    Re: I was impatient "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-09-13 16:02 +0200
    Re: I was impatient "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> - 2016-09-14 14:22 -0400
    I was impatient oxymaxsystems@gmail.com - 2016-12-12 14:19 -0800
      Re: I was impatient "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-12-12 23:27 +0100
      Re: I was impatient Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-13 06:52 +0100

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#34162 — I was impatient

Not wanting to wait until my Nexus 5X got Android 7.0 in Google's own 
good time, I enrolled it in the beta program and got Android 7.0 (build 
NRD90M) within seconds. Fine so far. But today my wife's Nexus 5X, not 
enrolled in the beta program, got Android 7.0 (build NRD90R -- with 
September 5 security update), while mine is still on NRD90M -- with only 
the August 5 security update.)

If your phone is enrolled in the beta program, which build do you have?

Perce

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#34164

in 34364 20160913 025131 "Percival P. Cassidy" <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
>Not wanting to wait until my Nexus 5X got Android 7.0 in Google's own
>good time, I enrolled it in the beta program and got Android 7.0 (build
>NRD90M) within seconds. Fine so far. But today my wife's Nexus 5X, not
>enrolled in the beta program, got Android 7.0 (build NRD90R -- with
>September 5 security update), while mine is still on NRD90M -- with only
>the August 5 security update.)
>
>If your phone is enrolled in the beta program, which build do you have?

My experience is the same as yours.

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#34167

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> Not wanting to wait until my Nexus 5X got Android 7.0 in Google's own
> good time, I enrolled it in the beta program and got Android 7.0 (build
> NRD90M) within seconds.

Rather than the beta program, why not just sideload it over USB? (I did 
that for NRD90M on day1 and the same for NRD90S with the September 
security updates.

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#34213

in 34369 20160913 110158 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>
>> Not wanting to wait until my Nexus 5X got Android 7.0 in Google's own
>> good time, I enrolled it in the beta program and got Android 7.0 (build
>> NRD90M) within seconds.
>
>Rather than the beta program, why not just sideload it over USB? (I did
>that for NRD90M on day1 and the same for NRD90S with the September
>security updates.

Where do you get the updates?  My previous source hasn't changed since June.
btw I got the update OTA about an hour ago.  Now Sept 6.

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#34247

Bob Martin wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Rather than the beta program, why not just sideload it over USB?
>
> Where do you get the updates?

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota

Usually AndroidPolice are quite quick with the news of any nexus updates.

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#34276

in 34449 20160915 102233 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>Bob Martin wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Rather than the beta program, why not just sideload it over USB?
>>
>> Where do you get the updates?
>
>https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota

That link is for factory images.  Installing wipes your phone.
I meant the small monthly update files.
I got previous ones from here : 
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-install-ota-updates-on-google-nexus-devices/3/


>
>Usually AndroidPolice are quite quick with the news of any nexus updates.

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#34277

in 34478 20160916 072215 Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> wrote:
>in 34449 20160915 102233 Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>Bob Martin wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rather than the beta program, why not just sideload it over USB?
>>>
>>> Where do you get the updates?
>>
>>https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota
>
>That link is for factory images.  Installing wipes your phone.
>I meant the small monthly update files.
>I got previous ones from here :
>http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-install-ota-updates-on-google-nexus-devices/3/
>
>
>>
>>Usually AndroidPolice are quite quick with the news of any nexus updates.

I take back that first line, the OTA doesn't wipe the phone, but it is a complete
system replacement.
I installed one by accident earlier this year and only noticed afterwards
that it was over 1GB, whereas the monthly update was about 11 MB.

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#34280

Bob Martin wrote:

>> That link is for factory images.  Installing wipes your phone.
>
> I take back that first line, the OTA doesn't wipe the phone, but it is a complete
> system replacement.

That's right, for major version updates some people do provide links to 
the update file, never noticed anywhere that does for the monthlies.

A couple of years ago I might have worried about downloading a gigabyte 
instead of a few megs, now it's no hassle.

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#34279

Bob Martin wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Bob Martin wrote:
>
>>> Where do you get the updates?
>>
>> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota
>
> That link is for factory images.  Installing wipes your phone.

The factory images do indeed wipe your phone, but the OTA images on that 
page don't wipe.

> I meant the small monthly update files.

Granted, the OTA images are huge (1.something GB) compared to the OTA 
updates, but that's not an issue to me.

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#34258

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 11:01:58 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Rather than the beta program, why not just sideload it over USB? (I did 
> that for NRD90M on day1 and the same for NRD90S with the September 
> security updates.

Andy, which ADB Tool do you use for this?

I found this instruction video very informing:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IHrrcEn-PU>

But it's from 2015.

I saw other instructions where fastboot wasn't used, only an adb tool
and cmd to enter instructions.

Since I now have NRD90R installed I'm not going to try and install
NRD90S, but I'm interested to know how it's done, installing an image
from my computer to my phone.

Tnx!

-- 
s|b

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#34261

s|b wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Rather than the beta program, why not just sideload it over USB?
>
> Andy, which ADB Tool do you use for this?

Rather than install the full SDK, this time I used the one from here,

<http://adbshell.com/downloads>

it's obviously not the official place to download from, but you might 
need to install the SDK in order to get the device drivers.


> I found this instruction video very informing:

A text version of the instructions are at the top of the google page I 
linked to.

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#34265

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:20:37 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> A text version of the instructions are at the top of the google page I 
> linked to.

I saw that, but that's just not enough for me. I need someone/something
to hold my hand and tell me step-by-step. ;-)

-- 
s|b

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#34173

In news:e3p4a0F3291U1@mid.individual.net "Percival P. Cassidy" 
<Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:

> Not wanting to wait until my Nexus 5X got Android 7.0 in Google's own 
> good time, I enrolled it in the beta program and got Android 7.0 (build 
> NRD90M) within seconds.

Don't know when you did that, but today you can get the released OTA and 
factory images and install them.

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota#bullhead

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#bullhead

-- 
bert@iphouse.com	St. Paul, MN

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#34176

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:49:16 -0000 (UTC), Bert wrote:

> Don't know when you did that, but today you can get the released OTA and 
> factory images and install them.
> 
> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota#bullhead
> 
> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#bullhead

I realize this might be a stupid question, but I just want confirmation:
the factory image will /delete/ every data, the OTA image will act as if
it's a "real" OTA update and (in principle) none of the data is lost,
yes?

I checked <https://developer.android.com/studio/command-line/adb.html>
and I can't find a download for the adb tool. I searched and there seem
to be several of those tools. Which should I use and where can I find
it?

I have a Nexus 5X, build NRD90M (freshly installed on Sept 8), so I
would need:

7.0.0 (NRD90S)
<https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/bullhead-ota-nrd90s-11bca8c7.zip>

I search and found this video:
How to Use ADB to Sideload an OTA onto Your Nexus 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4zvbDcRUs>

It doesn't say anything about enabling USB debugging (I enabled
developer options, so enabling this should be a piece of cake), but this
should work for my Nexus 5X, no?

The OTA August update was received on Sept 8 and I'm not sure I want to
wait until October until I receive the September update. Especially with
this WiFi problem. I'm not a complete layman; I used Odin to root my
Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, so...

-- 
s|b

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#34193

In news:e3qjfrFdqa2U1@mid.individual.net "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid>
wrote: 

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:49:16 -0000 (UTC), Bert wrote:
> 
>> Don't know when you did that, but today you can get the released OTA
>> and factory images and install them.
>> 
>> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota#bullhead
>> 
>> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#bullhead
> 
> I realize this might be a stupid question, but I just want
> confirmation: the factory image will /delete/ every data, the OTA
> image will act as if it's a "real" OTA update and (in principle) none
> of the data is lost, yes?

In my experience, yes on both counts.

> 
> I checked <https://developer.android.com/studio/command-line/adb.html>
> and I can't find a download for the adb tool. I searched and there
> seem to be several of those tools. Which should I use and where can I
> find it?

Never tried this and can't vouch for its authenticity or safety, but it's 
pointed to from a couple of places:

http://adbshell.com/downloads

> 
> I have a Nexus 5X, build NRD90M (freshly installed on Sept 8), so I
> would need:
> 
> 7.0.0 (NRD90S)
><https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/bullhead-ota-nrd90s-11bca8c7.zip>
> 
> I search and found this video:
> How to Use ADB to Sideload an OTA onto Your Nexus 
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK4zvbDcRUs>
> 
> It doesn't say anything about enabling USB debugging (I enabled
> developer options, so enabling this should be a piece of cake), but
> this should work for my Nexus 5X, no?
> 
> The OTA August update was received on Sept 8 and I'm not sure I want
> to wait until October until I receive the September update. Especially
> with this WiFi problem. I'm not a complete layman; I used Odin to root
> my Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, so...
> 



-- 
bert@iphouse.com	St. Paul, MN

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#34198

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 17:39:41 -0000 (UTC), Bert wrote:

> Never tried this and can't vouch for its authenticity or safety, but it's 
> pointed to from a couple of places:
> 
> http://adbshell.com/downloads

It seems to be pretty straightforward, but I haven't decided yet what to
do. Resetting network settings enabled WiFi again, but for some reason I
can not add/save more that 12 networks after which the WiFi problem is
there again. Not a huge problem, but it kind of bothers me.

Also, I got the August update on Sept 8. I don't really want to wait
until October to receive the OTA September update. <sigh>

-- 
s|b

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#34226

On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 13:49:16 -0000 (UTC), Bert wrote:

> Don't know when you did that, but today you can get the released OTA and 
> factory images and install them.
> 
> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/ota#bullhead
> 
> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images#bullhead

It seems I don't need to update manually. Yesterday evening I received
the September OTA update. My build is now NRD90R which is a bit weird,
because the URL above will show NRD90S as the update for Nexus 5X.

Unfortunately, my WiFi problem stays the same: after adding/saving
networks, all visible networks disappear and when I turn WiFi off and on
it will keep searching for networks (without success).

I have tested connecting to a 5GHz network and this didn't seem a
problem. Connecting to Bluetooth doesn't seem to be a problem either.

-- 
s|b

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#34246

s|b wrote:

> Yesterday evening I received the September OTA update. My build is
> now NRD90R which is a bit weird, because the URL above will show
> NRD90S as the update for Nexus 5X.

Apparently the difference between R and S is something that is only 
important on Japanese networks.

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#34257

On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:17:32 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> Apparently the difference between R and S is something that is only 
> important on Japanese networks.

Yes, I read that on Reddit.

<https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/51tf4q/september_nougat_ota_is_out_size_is_493_mb_but/>

<quote>

Update: seems like R is for non-Japanese carriers/ international
unlocked devices, S fixes a bug concerning emergency alerts for certain
Japanese carriers. So most users (who didn't flash the S build) will be
receiving NRD90R.

</quote>

I'm in Belgium, Europe, so...

-- 
s|b

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#34174

On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 21:51:31 -0400, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

> Not wanting to wait until my Nexus 5X got Android 7.0 in Google's own 
> good time, I enrolled it in the beta program and got Android 7.0 (build 
> NRD90M) within seconds. Fine so far. But today my wife's Nexus 5X, not 
> enrolled in the beta program, got Android 7.0 (build NRD90R -- with 
> September 5 security update), while mine is still on NRD90M -- with only 
> the August 5 security update.)
> 
> If your phone is enrolled in the beta program, which build do you have?

I don't have the beta, the update was offered to me on Sept 8. Build is
NRD90M. I wish I hadn't updated my Nexus 5X to Nougat, because now I'm
experiencing WiFi problems. All wireless networks are gone (as in not
visible) or disappear and WiFi keeps on searching for wireless networks
which of course drains the battery. After an hour or so a connection is
made, but when I switch WiFi off and on, the problem is back.

There are also many complaints about no WiFi at all, no automatic
connections, loosing connections or not being able to connect to 5GHz
networks.

Google advises to reset network settings (which worked partially for me)
or even reset to factory settings. People are reluctant to do that, plus
several users state this doesn't solve their problem.

Lots of topics on problems with WiFi on productforums.google.com:

- Wifi / Bluetooth issues since installing Android 7.0 Nougat on Nexus
6P
- After Nougat Update Wifi disabled
- Nexus 5x Android 7 wifi drops consistently
- After updating my Nexus 5X device to Android 7 WiFi has stopped
working ...

An official (?) "issue" is opened and Google is aware of the problem.

<https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=221056>

However, the issue was posted on Aug 26 and after more than 2 weeks,
Google still hasn't solved this problem.

A Project Member posted a reaction on Sept 8:

| We have passed this defect on to the development team and will update this issue with more information as it becomes available.

Since then, nothing from Google... :-\

-- 
s|b

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