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  TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-24 09:25 -0800
    Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-08-24 01:23 -0400
    Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-08-24 08:14 +0100
      Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-25 15:56 -0800
        Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-25 18:47 +0000
          Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-08-25 15:18 -0400
            Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-26 11:19 -0800
              Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org - 2016-08-26 14:30 +0700
                Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 09:16 -0700
                  Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2016-08-27 06:31 +0700
                    Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-27 13:24 -0800
                      Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org - 2016-08-27 16:55 +0700
                        Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 20:30 -0700
                          Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-28 00:28 -0800
                            Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2016-08-28 16:06 +0700
                            Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-08-29 07:43 +0100
                          Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2016-08-28 15:59 +0700
                      Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 20:35 -0700
                Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-27 13:09 -0800
                  Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org - 2016-08-27 16:48 +0700
              Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-08-26 14:14 -0400
                Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-27 13:20 -0800
                  Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-08-27 13:55 -0400
                    Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-28 00:20 -0800
                      Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-08-28 14:42 -0400
                      Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-09-16 18:30 -0400
                        Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-09-16 20:19 -0400
    Re: TracFone HUAWEI (rant) UPDATE Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-08-27 13:14 -0800

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#33606 — TracFone HUAWEI (rant)

   Have a "phone" that takes pictures. Android 4.0.4
   Wonderful.
   Can "e-mail" them to other "phone" users.
   Seem to be independent of pictures already supplied when you bought 
the beast.
   Just like your contacts list, you CANNOT export them, or put them 
anywhere else that would be useful to the external world of "phones".
   Hell, you are lucky that you can SEE them - but ONLY if you are wise 
enough to keep the e-mail.

   Two DIFFERENT worlds, looks like the twain will never meet.
**
   I had umpteen messages, could not figure out how the H to view or 
delete any.
   Apps were constantly wanting to be installed with a number of them 
refusing to being ignored/dismissed and therefore "default" installed.
   Result was umpteen apps running with no way of controlling them.

   There was no way to buy more time or find out what my time/text/data 
was (no "Prepaid" menu like the simplest-minded TracFone).

   "Keyboard" had the dinkiest "keys" possible and still be readable.
   Worse,the GD mode was that horsesh*t "guess" crap, making it 
impossible to enter a foreign word (Latin) for meaning lookup.

   Got tired of it and deleted the umpteen messages by using factory reset.
   That lasted all of 5 minutes, as more messages poured in.
   Don't ask me what they said or even WHERE they are.

   Anyone want this piece of silicon garbage is welcome for my cost of 
shipping.

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#33608

On 24 Aug 2016, Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote in
comp.mobile.android: 

> Anyone want this piece of silicon garbage is welcome for my
> cost of shipping.

I'm sure most or all your issues could be dealt with or resolved, but 
you seem to just be looking to rant, not to get any actual help.

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#33611

in 33808 20160824 182532 Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>Have a "phone" that takes pictures. Android 4.0.4
>Wonderful.
>Can "e-mail" them to other "phone" users.
>Seem to be independent of pictures already supplied when you bought
>the beast.
>Just like your contacts list, you CANNOT export them, or put them
>anywhere else that would be useful to the external world of "phones".
>Hell, you are lucky that you can SEE them - but ONLY if you are wise
>enough to keep the e-mail.
>
>Two DIFFERENT worlds, looks like the twain will never meet.
>**
>I had umpteen messages, could not figure out how the H to view or
>delete any.
>Apps were constantly wanting to be installed with a number of them
>refusing to being ignored/dismissed and therefore "default" installed.
>Result was umpteen apps running with no way of controlling them.
>
>There was no way to buy more time or find out what my time/text/data
>was (no "Prepaid" menu like the simplest-minded TracFone).
>
>"Keyboard" had the dinkiest "keys" possible and still be readable.
>Worse,the GD mode was that horsesh*t "guess" crap, making it
>impossible to enter a foreign word (Latin) for meaning lookup.
>
>Got tired of it and deleted the umpteen messages by using factory reset.
>That lasted all of 5 minutes, as more messages poured in.
>Don't ask me what they said or even WHERE they are.
>
>Anyone want this piece of silicon garbage is welcome for my cost of
>shipping.

You sound like my wife, who just refuses to learn how to use a new phone.

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#33642

Bob Martin wrote:
> in 33808 20160824 182532 Robert Baer<robertbaer@localnet.com>  wrote:
>> Have a "phone" that takes pictures. Android 4.0.4
>> Wonderful.
>> Can "e-mail" them to other "phone" users.
>> Seem to be independent of pictures already supplied when you bought
>> the beast.
>> Just like your contacts list, you CANNOT export them, or put them
>> anywhere else that would be useful to the external world of "phones".
>> Hell, you are lucky that you can SEE them - but ONLY if you are wise
>> enough to keep the e-mail.
>>
>> Two DIFFERENT worlds, looks like the twain will never meet.
>> **
>> I had umpteen messages, could not figure out how the H to view or
>> delete any.
>> Apps were constantly wanting to be installed with a number of them
>> refusing to being ignored/dismissed and therefore "default" installed.
>> Result was umpteen apps running with no way of controlling them.
>>
>> There was no way to buy more time or find out what my time/text/data
>> was (no "Prepaid" menu like the simplest-minded TracFone).
>>
>> "Keyboard" had the dinkiest "keys" possible and still be readable.
>> Worse,the GD mode was that horsesh*t "guess" crap, making it
>> impossible to enter a foreign word (Latin) for meaning lookup.
>>
>> Got tired of it and deleted the umpteen messages by using factory reset.
>> That lasted all of 5 minutes, as more messages poured in.
>> Don't ask me what they said or even WHERE they are.
>>
>> Anyone want this piece of silicon garbage is welcome for my cost of
>> shipping.
>
> You sound like my wife, who just refuses to learn how to use a new phone.
   OK; _you_ tell me:
1) how to import and how to export a contact list.
2) how to select a message for viewing (and deleting).
3) how to prevent apps from pouring in (and then self-installing).
4) how to find out what apps are "hiding", and then delete them.
5) how to get a decent-sized keyboard (say 24 point minimum characters).
6) how to FORCE what-you-enter-is-what-you-get (ie: SANE entry).
7) how to find (other?) hidden messages ("you have 35 new messages" but 
none are found).

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#33648

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
> Bob Martin wrote:
> > in 33808 20160824 182532 Robert Baer<robertbaer@localnet.com>  wrote:
> >> Have a "phone" that takes pictures. Android 4.0.4

[Pathetic whingeing deleted.]

> >> Anyone want this piece of silicon garbage is welcome for my cost of
> >> shipping.
> >
> > You sound like my wife, who just refuses to learn how to use a new phone.
>
>    OK; _you_ tell me:

  Exactly *which* part of "learn", didn't you understand!?

  If ("Yeah, right!?") we would spoon-feed you the answers, you would
*learn* absolutely nothing.

> 1) how to import and how to export a contact list.
> 2) how to select a message for viewing (and deleting).
> 3) how to prevent apps from pouring in (and then self-installing).
> 4) how to find out what apps are "hiding", and then delete them.
> 5) how to get a decent-sized keyboard (say 24 point minimum characters).
> 6) how to FORCE what-you-enter-is-what-you-get (ie: SANE entry).
> 7) how to find (other?) hidden messages ("you have 35 new messages" but 
> none are found).

  So get yourself a book on Android, do some Googling, browse some
Android sites, etc., and all will be revealed.

  BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because you
didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing neccessary/required
information is also part of the learning process.

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#33651

On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in 
comp.mobile.android: 

> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
> process. 

This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points - 
e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I 
concluded that he really isn't looking for help. 

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#33654

Nil wrote:
> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>  wrote in
> comp.mobile.android:
>
>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>> process.
>
> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
   "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
   Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
   I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
   So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
   Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of 
messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?); 
impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did 
factory reset).
   There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF 
they were about.

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#33655

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:19:25 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

>Nil wrote:
>> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>  wrote in
>> comp.mobile.android:
>>
>>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>>> process.
>>
>> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
>> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
>> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
>> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
>   "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
>   Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
>   I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
>   So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
>   Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of 
>messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?); 
>impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did 
>factory reset).
>   There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF 
>they were about.

Maybe a stolen phone? No manual? 
The factory reset to get rid of messages is sort of revealing :-)
-- 
Cheers,

Schweik

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#33665

On 08/26/2016 12:30 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:19:25 -0800, Robert Baer
> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>
>>Nil wrote:
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>  wrote in
>>> comp.mobile.android:
>>>
>>>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>>>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>>>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>>>> process.
>>>
>>> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
>>> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
>>> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
>>> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
>>   "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
>>   Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
>>   I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
>>   So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
>>   Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of
>>messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?);
>>impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did
>>factory reset).
>>   There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF
>>they were about.
>
> Maybe a stolen phone? No manual?

Be charitable.  Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one. 
Maybe he bought it at a yard sale.  I guess the only person who would 
risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use it, but 
we have no proof...

> The factory reset to get rid of messages is sort of revealing :-)

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other
     dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'"       -Gary Larson

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#33670

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:16:38 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 08/26/2016 12:30 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:19:25 -0800, Robert Baer
>> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Nil wrote:
>>>> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>  wrote in
>>>> comp.mobile.android:
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>>>>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>>>>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
>>>> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
>>>> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
>>>> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
>>>   "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
>>>   Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
>>>   I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
>>>   So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
>>>   Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of
>>>messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?);
>>>impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did
>>>factory reset).
>>>   There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF
>>>they were about.
>>
>> Maybe a stolen phone? No manual?
>
>Be charitable.  Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one. 
>Maybe he bought it at a yard sale.  I guess the only person who would 
>risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use it, but 
>we have no proof...
>
O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
(My 12 year old grand daughter can outwit him :-)

>> The factory reset to get rid of messages is sort of revealing :-)
-- 
cheers,

John B.

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#33676

John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:16:38 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 08/26/2016 12:30 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:19:25 -0800, Robert Baer
>>> <robertbaer@localnet.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nil wrote:
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>   wrote in
>>>>> comp.mobile.android:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>>>>>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>>>>>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
>>>>> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
>>>>> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
>>>>> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
>>>>    "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
>>>>    Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
>>>>    I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
>>>>    So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
>>>>    Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of
>>>> messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?);
>>>> impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did
>>>> factory reset).
>>>>    There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF
>>>> they were about.
>>>
>>> Maybe a stolen phone? No manual?
>>
>> Be charitable.  Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one.
>> Maybe he bought it at a yard sale.  I guess the only person who would
>> risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use it, but
>> we have no proof...
>>
> O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
> on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
* There is *NO* manual!
* To access messages, doesn't one "click" on the "message" folder? Isn't 
that what i said?
* And now that i have two REAL messages, and can SEE that they exist and 
can READ them, maybe i should blow you off?

> (My 12 year old grand daughter can outwit him :-)
>
>>> The factory reset to get rid of messages is sort of revealing :-)

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#33679

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:24:24 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

>John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:16:38 -0700, The Real Bev
>> <bashley101@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/26/2016 12:30 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:19:25 -0800, Robert Baer
>>>> <robertbaer@localnet.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nil wrote:
>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>   wrote in
>>>>>> comp.mobile.android:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>>>>>>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>>>>>>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
>>>>>> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
>>>>>> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
>>>>>> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
>>>>>    "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
>>>>>    Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
>>>>>    I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
>>>>>    So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
>>>>>    Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of
>>>>> messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?);
>>>>> impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did
>>>>> factory reset).
>>>>>    There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF
>>>>> they were about.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a stolen phone? No manual?
>>>
>>> Be charitable.  Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one.
>>> Maybe he bought it at a yard sale.  I guess the only person who would
>>> risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use it, but
>>> we have no proof...
>>>
>> O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
>> on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
>* There is *NO* manual!

Why ever would you say any such thing? You don't mention your phone
model but look here:
http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/manuals/

(Blimy! Manuals all over the place,)
-- 
Cheers,

Schweik

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#33689

On 08/27/2016 02:55 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:24:24 -0800, Robert Baer
> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>John B. wrote:
>>> <bashley101@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Be charitable.  Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one.
>>>> Maybe he bought it at a yard sale.  I guess the only person who would
>>>> risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use it, but
>>>> we have no proof...
>>>>
>>> O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
>>> on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
>>* There is *NO* manual!
>
> Why ever would you say any such thing? You don't mention your phone
> model but look here:
> http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/manuals/
>
> (Blimy! Manuals all over the place,)

Paper manuals are nice, but the ability to search a pdf file is invaluable.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    You know it's time to clean the refrigerator when
    something closes the door from the inside.

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#33693

The Real Bev wrote:
> On 08/27/2016 02:55 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:24:24 -0800, Robert Baer
>> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>> John B. wrote:
>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Be charitable. Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one.
>>>>> Maybe he bought it at a yard sale. I guess the only person who would
>>>>> risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use
>>>>> it, but
>>>>> we have no proof...
>>>>>
>>>> O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
>>>> on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
>>> * There is *NO* manual!
>>
>> Why ever would you say any such thing? You don't mention your phone
>> model but look here:
>> http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/manuals/
>>
>> (Blimy! Manuals all over the place,)
>
> Paper manuals are nice, but the ability to search a pdf file is invaluable.
>
   I have never seen (retail) paper manuals for phones,or for that 
matter,for computers.

   Now a tablet (that someone else) did come with a paper "manual" using 
maybe 7 point type and not useful at all. I enlarged it by a factor of 
four to fill 8.5x11 sheets to make it readable for him.

   Yes, PDF manuals on some specific items are useful on occasion.

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#33695

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 00:28:27 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

>The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 08/27/2016 02:55 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:24:24 -0800, Robert Baer
>>> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>> John B. wrote:
>>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be charitable. Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one.
>>>>>> Maybe he bought it at a yard sale. I guess the only person who would
>>>>>> risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use
>>>>>> it, but
>>>>>> we have no proof...
>>>>>>
>>>>> O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
>>>>> on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
>>>> * There is *NO* manual!
>>>
>>> Why ever would you say any such thing? You don't mention your phone
>>> model but look here:
>>> http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/manuals/
>>>
>>> (Blimy! Manuals all over the place,)
>>
>> Paper manuals are nice, but the ability to search a pdf file is invaluable.
>>
>   I have never seen (retail) paper manuals for phones,or for that 
>matter,for computers.
>
>   Now a tablet (that someone else) did come with a paper "manual" using 
>maybe 7 point type and not useful at all. I enlarged it by a factor of 
>four to fill 8.5x11 sheets to make it readable for him.
>
>   Yes, PDF manuals on some specific items are useful on occasion.

Frankly I can't remember a product that didn't have a manual. Sometime
one had to look for it but it is there, somewhere. I recently bought a
Canon printer that came with a manual on a CD and I prefer paper
manuals so I accessed Canon's site and downloaded a PDF copy of the CD
manual,

Some times one has to exert oneself a tine bit, but than as they say
"War IS Hell!"
-- 
cheers,

John B.

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#33703

in 33895 20160828 092827 Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 08/27/2016 02:55 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:24:24 -0800, Robert Baer
>>> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>> John B. wrote:
>>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Be charitable. Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one.
>>>>>> Maybe he bought it at a yard sale. I guess the only person who would
>>>>>> risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use
>>>>>> it, but
>>>>>> we have no proof...
>>>>>>
>>>>> O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
>>>>> on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
>>>> * There is *NO* manual!
>>>
>>> Why ever would you say any such thing? You don't mention your phone
>>> model but look here:
>>> http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/manuals/
>>>
>>> (Blimy! Manuals all over the place,)
>>
>> Paper manuals are nice, but the ability to search a pdf file is invaluable.
>>
>I have never seen (retail) paper manuals for phones,or for that
>matter,for computers.

Really?  It used to be a standing joke that the manuals weighed more 
than the computer.

>
>Now a tablet (that someone else) did come with a paper "manual" using
>maybe 7 point type and not useful at all. I enlarged it by a factor of
>four to fill 8.5x11 sheets to make it readable for him.
>
>Yes, PDF manuals on some specific items are useful on occasion.

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#33694

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:30:10 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 08/27/2016 02:55 AM, goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:24:24 -0800, Robert Baer
>> <robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:
>>>John B. wrote:
>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Be charitable.  Maybe somebody gave it to him when they got a new one.
>>>>> Maybe he bought it at a yard sale.  I guess the only person who would
>>>>> risk jail to steal a 4.x phone is one who didn't know how to use it, but
>>>>> we have no proof...
>>>>>
>>>> O.K. Charitable. A bloke that (1) doesn't know how to access messages
>>>> on the phone, and (2) can't be bothered to read a manual.
>>>* There is *NO* manual!
>>
>> Why ever would you say any such thing? You don't mention your phone
>> model but look here:
>> http://m.huawei.com/enmobile/consumer/support/manuals/
>>
>> (Blimy! Manuals all over the place,)
>
>Paper manuals are nice, but the ability to search a pdf file is invaluable.

Err... The site I suggested has PDF manuals. All you for to do is down
load them :-)
-- 
cheers,

John B.

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#33690

On 08/27/2016 02:24 PM, Robert Baer wrote:

> * There is *NO* manual!

So you went to the manufacturer's website and found that they have NO 
manual as a pdf file?  Did you complain to their 'contact us' number? 
They're a big company, not some back-alley trader in fell-off-the-truck 
phones.

I've never seen a hi-tech product that didn't have an on-line 
downloadable manual.  How do you think they get around the expense of 
printing a proper paper manual (most companies include a short 'getting 
started' paper brochure) that nobody will read anyway?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    You know it's time to clean the refrigerator when
    something closes the door from the inside.

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#33672

goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:19:25 -0800, Robert Baer
> <robertbaer@localnet.com>  wrote:
>
>> Nil wrote:
>>> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>   wrote in
>>> comp.mobile.android:
>>>
>>>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>>>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>>>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>>>> process.
>>>
>>> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
>>> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
>>> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
>>> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
>>    "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
>>    Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
>>    I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
>>    So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
>>    Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of
>> messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?);
>> impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did
>> factory reset).
>>    There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF
>> they were about.
>
> Maybe a stolen phone? No manual?
> The factory reset to get rid of messages is sort of revealing :-)
   I bought this at Fred Meyer, in a standardized sealed plastic sales 
container, and i must note that *NO* "phone" in retail stores on hangers 
this way have manuals.

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#33678

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:09:08 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

>goodsoldierschweik@geemail.org wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:19:25 -0800, Robert Baer
>> <robertbaer@localnet.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Nil wrote:
>>>> On 25 Aug 2016, Frank Slootweg<this@ddress.is.invalid>   wrote in
>>>> comp.mobile.android:
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, some of the questions you asked *cannot* be answered, because
>>>>> you didn't provide sufficient detail. Providing
>>>>> neccessary/required information is also part of the learning
>>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> This is my problem with his screed. It's vague and unfocused, and I
>>>> really don't know what he's talking about in most of his points -
>>>> e.g., what's a "message"? Email? Text? App notifications? That's why I
>>>> concluded that he really isn't looking for help.
>>>    "message" is whatever that stupid icon wishes to show.
>>>    Since it never shows anything, how can i give an answer..
>>>    I see a "flash" or "blink" of a note saying i have 23 new messages.
>>>    So,i stupidly click on the "message" icon. And get nothing.
>>>    Before i did the factory reset (to get rid of the hundreds of
>>> messages listed), there was this useless list of "from" (names?);
>>> impossible to select any one,and impossible to delete (reason why i did
>>> factory reset).
>>>    There was no way to view any of those messages so i cannot say WTF
>>> they were about.
>>
>> Maybe a stolen phone? No manual?
>> The factory reset to get rid of messages is sort of revealing :-)
>   I bought this at Fred Meyer, in a standardized sealed plastic sales 
>container, and i must note that *NO* "phone" in retail stores on hangers 
>this way have manuals.

Yup. And never thought that there might be a copy on the Internet...

What is that old saying? "The Lord helps those who help themselves"?
-- 
Cheers,

Schweik

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