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  Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 08:56 +0100
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Roger Mills <watt.tyler@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:45 +0100
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 09:20 +0000
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 17:22 +0000
        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-24 20:08 -0500
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:22 -0400
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. AL <noemail@none.com> - 2016-08-24 13:33 -0700
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Tim <timothybil@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-24 11:42 -0500
    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2016-08-24 19:05 +0100
      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:22 -0400
        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 19:43 +0100
          Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 14:57 -0400
            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:00 -0400
              Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 15:04 -0400
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:47 -0400
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-24 16:56 -0400
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 18:57 -0400
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 08:01 +0100
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:24 -0500
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 07:37 +0000
            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. "Ivan D. Reid" <Ivan.Reid@ivan.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-08-24 22:47 +0000
              Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-25 10:04 +0100
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-08-25 11:23 +0100
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Nigel Wade <nmw@local.domain> - 2016-08-25 14:28 +0100
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-08-25 14:35 +0000
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:39 -0500
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-17 11:23 +0000
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:38 -0500
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-25 17:34 +0100
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:35 -0500
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-17 01:40 -0500
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:46 -0500
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-17 19:56 -0500
                          Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-18 01:12 -0500
                            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. AL <4567784747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-18 09:20 -0700
                            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-18 12:46 -0500
                    Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-17 11:27 +0000
                      Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:50 -0500
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-17 19:56 -0500
                        Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2017-01-18 09:00 +0000
            Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 01:15 -0500
              Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2017-01-17 00:52 -0600
                Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-17 18:53 -0500
                  Re: Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update. I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-18 19:30 +0000

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#33612 — Nexus 7 not going to receive Nougat update.

It seems that various devices, including the Nexus 7 (2013) Asus tablet 
will not get an upgrade to Nougat.

I read elsewhere that Google wants to maximise uptake of the new software.

Contradictory? I think so. If they're so keen, why not offer the upgrade 
to Google Nexus devices that are only 3 years old and still one of the 
best 7" tablets?

There seems to be no new 7" tablet from them, so even upgrading by 
buying a new device seems to require buying either a 5" tiddler 
'phablet' or an enormous 9" one. I like the 7" tablet as it's small 
enough for a jacket pocket, and big enough to enjoy using.

Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might offer it?

Tim.

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#33613

On 24/08/2016 08:56, Timreason wrote:
> It seems that various devices, including the Nexus 7 (2013) Asus tablet
> will not get an upgrade to Nougat.
>
> I read elsewhere that Google wants to maximise uptake of the new software.
>
> Contradictory? I think so. If they're so keen, why not offer the upgrade
> to Google Nexus devices that are only 3 years old and still one of the
> best 7" tablets?
>
> There seems to be no new 7" tablet from them, so even upgrading by
> buying a new device seems to require buying either a 5" tiddler
> 'phablet' or an enormous 9" one. I like the 7" tablet as it's small
> enough for a jacket pocket, and big enough to enjoy using.
>
> Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might offer it?
>
> Tim.

My Nexus 10 is the same age, and I haven't even been offered Android 6 - 
so there seems little hope of getting 7. It would really benefit from 
dual windows, too - much more so than devices with smaller screens.
-- 
Cheers,
Roger
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#33614

On 24/08/2016 in message <npjjvc$opm$1@dont-email.me> Timreason wrote:

>Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might offer it?

Why are people so concerned about an OS update? I have half a dozen 
Android devices running version 4.n up to 5.n, they run fine why would I 
want to "upgrade" the OS? One of the version doesn't show the Combine 
Inbox view in the email widget which is a pain, who knows what else might 
be removed from later versions?

-- 
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
That's an amazing invention but who would ever want to use one of them?
(President Hayes speaking to Alexander Graham Bell on the invention of the 
telephone)

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#33620

Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/08/2016 in message <npjjvc$opm$1@dont-email.me> Timreason wrote:
> 
>> Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might offer it?
> 
> Why are people so concerned about an OS update? I have half a dozen 
> Android devices running version 4.n up to 5.n, they run fine why would I 
> want to "upgrade" the OS? One of the version doesn't show the Combine 
> Inbox view in the email widget which is a pain, who knows what else might 
> be removed from later versions?
> 

Security fixes at the very least.

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#33635

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote in news:npkl4c$95e$2@dont-email.me:

> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 24/08/2016 in message <npjjvc$opm$1@dont-email.me> Timreason
>> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might
>>> offer it? 
>> 
> Security fixes at the very least.
> 
>And Google only pledges to provide security fixes to the Nexus 7 for 
another year or so, then we are on our own. 

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#33623

In article <xn0ka4ivbcsuuz700k@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
<jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> >Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might offer it?
> 
> Why are people so concerned about an OS update? I have half a dozen 
> Android devices running version 4.n up to 5.n, they run fine why would I 
> want to "upgrade" the OS? One of the version doesn't show the Combine 
> Inbox view in the email widget which is a pain, who knows what else might 
> be removed from later versions?

security patches, new features and some apps require more recent
versions.

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#33630

On 8/24/2016 2:20 AM, Jeff Gaines wrote:

> Why are people so concerned about an OS update?

Many people like OS updates because they get new features. One in 6 that 
I like is the ability to deny apps permissions. With older versions I 
have passed some apps up because I thought they were too nosy. Now I can 
get them and deny them the permissions I dislike.

> I have half a dozen
> Android devices running version 4.n up to 5.n, they run fine why would I
> want to "upgrade" the OS? One of the version doesn't show the Combine
> Inbox view in the email widget which is a pain, who knows what else
> might be removed from later versions?

And YMMV of course.

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#33619

Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
news:npjjvc$opm$1@dont-email.me: 

> It seems that various devices, including the Nexus 7 (2013) Asus
> tablet will not get an upgrade to Nougat.
> 
> I read elsewhere that Google wants to maximise uptake of the new
> software. 
> 
> Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might
> offer it? 
> 
> Tim.

I'm in the same boat. I am happy with Marshmellow, but would like to see 
hou Nougat looks. I am keeping my eye on Cyanogenmod, to see when they 
incorperate Android Nougat AOSP into their product. I figure that should 
get most of the new stuff, plus some of the Cyanogenmod original apps as 
well.

As for Asus, they are not a software company, and are not set up to do an 
Android distribution that will upgrade like Google's does. And even if they 
do do a good version of Nougat, more than likely one would have to wipe and 
install just like with all the other third party ROMS.

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#33621

On 2016-08-24, Timreason <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> It seems that various devices, including the Nexus 7 (2013) Asus
> tablet will not get an upgrade to Nougat.
>
> I read elsewhere that Google wants to maximise uptake of the new
> software.
>
> Contradictory? I think so. If they're so keen, why not offer the
> upgrade to Google Nexus devices that are only 3 years old and still
> one of the best 7" tablets?
>
> There seems to be no new 7" tablet from them, so even upgrading by
> buying a new device seems to require buying either a 5" tiddler
> 'phablet' or an enormous 9" one. I like the 7" tablet as it's small
> enough for a jacket pocket, and big enough to enjoy using.
>
> Any other way of getting Nougat for a Nexus 7? Perhaps Asus might
> offer it?
>
> Tim.

I'm still doing OK with my 2012 Nexus 7 and hoping there will be a Nexus
7 tablet on the market when it finally pegs out.  It's stuck on Android
5.1.1 and I can understand that there are hardware limitations that make
more recent Androids incompatible with it.

I don't know why Google seem to have taken against the 7" size of
tablet.  Nor why everyone seems to have taken against the 3" smartphone.

-- 
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
--  Whiskers 
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

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#33622

In article <slrnnrrog1.3i9.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:


> I don't know why Google seem to have taken against the 7" size of
> tablet.  Nor why everyone seems to have taken against the 3" smartphone.

because they have a very good idea of what sizes are the most popular.

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#33624

On 24/08/2016 19:22, nospam wrote:
> In article <slrnnrrog1.3i9.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I don't know why Google seem to have taken against the 7" size of
>> tablet.  Nor why everyone seems to have taken against the 3" smartphone.
>
> because they have a very good idea of what sizes are the most popular.
>

I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
means you need to carry a bag of some sort.

I notice also that the Nexus 7 (2013) is still available brand new. So 
some people will be buying a new tablet that will never get updates.

Tim.

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#33625

In article <npkps9$q8e$1@dont-email.me>, Timreason
<timreason@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> >> I don't know why Google seem to have taken against the 7" size of
> >> tablet.  Nor why everyone seems to have taken against the 3" smartphone.
> >
> > because they have a very good idea of what sizes are the most popular.
> 
> I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
> going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
> means you need to carry a bag of some sort.

why carry both? if you have a 5-6" phone, do you really need a 7"
tablet?

the phone is just a little bit smaller and far more portable.

if you have a smaller phone, then a 5-6" phone can replace the phone
and tablet, eliminating the need to carry both.

> I notice also that the Nexus 7 (2013) is still available brand new. So 
> some people will be buying a new tablet that will never get updates.

the fact that a 3 year old tablet is even still available new indicates
it did't sell very well. there's a bunch sitting on shelves.

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#33626

nospam wrote on 8/24/2016 2:57 PM:
> In article <npkps9$q8e$1@dont-email.me>, Timreason
> <timreason@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> >> I don't know why Google seem to have taken against the 7" size of
>> >> tablet.  Nor why everyone seems to have taken against the 3" smartphone.
>> >
>> > because they have a very good idea of what sizes are the most popular.
>> 
>> I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
>> going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
>> means you need to carry a bag of some sort.
> 
> why carry both? if you have a 5-6" phone, do you really need a 7"
> tablet?

The tablet is SO much better for reading ebooks, for example.

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#33627

In article <npkqso$t66$1@dont-email.me>, Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> 
> >> I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
> >> going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
> >> means you need to carry a bag of some sort.
> > 
> > why carry both? if you have a 5-6" phone, do you really need a 7"
> > tablet?
> 
> The tablet is SO much better for reading ebooks, for example.

a 10" tablet even better.

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#33628

nospam wrote on 8/24/2016 3:04 PM:
> In article <npkqso$t66$1@dont-email.me>, Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> >> 
>> >> I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
>> >> going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
>> >> means you need to carry a bag of some sort.
>> > 
>> > why carry both? if you have a 5-6" phone, do you really need a 7"
>> > tablet?
>> 
>> The tablet is SO much better for reading ebooks, for example.
> 
> a 10" tablet even better.
> 

But more expensiva and heavier.

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#33632

In article <npktl0$8ki$2@dont-email.me>, Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >> >> 
> >> >> I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
> >> >> going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
> >> >> means you need to carry a bag of some sort.
> >> > 
> >> > why carry both? if you have a 5-6" phone, do you really need a 7"
> >> > tablet?
> >> 
> >> The tablet is SO much better for reading ebooks, for example.
> > 
> > a 10" tablet even better.
> 
> But more expensiva and heavier.

there are always tradeoffs.

the point is that if someone has a 5-6" phone (and many people do),
they're probably not that interested in *also* getting a 7" tablet.

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#33634

nospam wrote on 8/24/2016 4:56 PM:
> In article <npktl0$8ki$2@dont-email.me>, Alek <alek.trishan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> I'm surprised if the 7" tablet isn't popular. I don't see much point in 
>> >> >> going smaller, since then I might as well use my phone. Going larger 
>> >> >> means you need to carry a bag of some sort.
>> >> > 
>> >> > why carry both? if you have a 5-6" phone, do you really need a 7"
>> >> > tablet?
>> >> 
>> >> The tablet is SO much better for reading ebooks, for example.
>> > 
>> > a 10" tablet even better.
>> 
>> But more expensiva and heavier.
> 
> there are always tradeoffs.
> 
> the point is that if someone has a 5-6" phone (and many people do),
> they're probably not that interested in *also* getting a 7" tablet.

I have a Nexus 6 and an OnePlusOne. :-) And 2 Nexus 7s and an 8" Gallaxy
Tab 2. :-)

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#33638

On 24/08/2016 21:56, nospam wrote:

>
> there are always tradeoffs.
>
> the point is that if someone has a 5-6" phone (and many people do),
> they're probably not that interested in *also* getting a 7" tablet.
>

That does seem to be reflected in the apparent lack of popularity of the 
7" tablets. I looked at the costs, and found that the 6" version of the 
current Nexus is actually less than 6" and costs very significantly more 
than the (not much smaller) 5" phone. I already have a 4" Samsung 
Android phone and that comes with a contract which allows phone 
upgrades. But I don't think I'd want my phone to be bigger just for the 
sake of a little larger (but still small) display screen.

It is fair comment that I might as well not carry around the phone AND a 
tablet. I was thinking more of having a screen large enough for reading, 
and watching films, yet still small enough for a jacket pocket.

At home I usually use a laptop, and might use the tablet if I want to 
move around. A larger tablet would be OK for that, but not so convenient 
when I travel, or to use as a camera. For me the 7" ones seem to be an 
ideal compromise, but I accept I must be in a minority.

Tim.

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#37778

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:01:00 +0100, Timreason wrote:

> ... For me the 7" ones seem to be an 
> ideal compromise, but I accept I must be in a minority...

Less of a minority than you may think, both historically and currently.
BlackBerry's ill-fated PlayBook tablet was a 7" device, as is the latest
Amazon Fire Tablet (7", 5th Generation). And so is/was the Medion LifeTab
that the Aldi grocery chain was selling off towards Christmas a year ago,
not to mention the Samsung and LG and Apple devices of similar sizes.

Cheers, -- tlvp
-- 
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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#33639

On 24/08/2016 in message <240820161656308005%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam 
wrote:

>the point is that if someone has a 5-6" phone (and many people do),
>they're probably not that interested in also getting a 7" tablet.

I have a 7" 'phone, a Lenovo Phab Plus. Originally only sold in China but 
some enterprising soul has imported them to the UK.

I am delighted with it, I have size 11 feet and hands to match so I have 
no problems using it one handed and I don't need a tablet as well, 
although I have loads!

Looks like the Phab 2 will be released worldwide but it's more than twice 
he price.

-- 
Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
All things being equal, fat people use more soap

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