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  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-09 07:31 +0000
    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 01:37 -0400
      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 07:46 +0000
        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 11:24 -0400
          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 18:56 +0000
            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 15:38 -0400
              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 20:37 +0000
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 16:56 -0400
                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 18:23 -0700
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 21:31 -0400
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 03:01 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 23:26 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 03:28 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 23:57 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 05:21 +0000
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 01:35 -0400
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-11 13:25 +0000
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:38 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 20:58 -0700
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 00:09 -0400
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 05:24 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 05:23 +0000
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 02:26 +0000
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 22:37 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 03:06 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 23:26 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 03:33 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-11 13:27 +0000
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 02:59 +0000
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 23:26 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 03:45 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 23:57 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 05:18 +0000
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 01:35 -0400
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-07-11 06:16 +0000
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:38 +0000
                                Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:39 +0000
                                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0400
                    Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 20:42 -0700
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 23:57 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 05:19 +0000
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 01:35 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:38 +0000
                              Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0400
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 05:32 +0000
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 01:35 -0400
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-11 17:37 +0000
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0400
                            Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2016-07-11 19:38 +0100
                      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 08:38 +0100
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 04:02 -0400
                        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:59 -0700
                          Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-11 12:01 -0400
                  Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-07-11 08:32 +0100
      Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-07-10 17:27 +0000
        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-10 13:37 -0400
        Re: Porting from Nexus 5 to iPhone 6 (A1549) T-Mobile Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-07-10 19:04 +0000

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#31374

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 00:09:39 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Who cares what AT&T does?  Damn crooks!
> 
> no different than any other carrier.

Actually, I left AT&T because they were crooks and moved to T-Mobile, who,
at the time, wasn't a crook. Now T-Mobile is a crook too with respect to
*why* I left AT&T.

I still like T-Mobile better than AT&T - but they're not perfect by any
means.

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#31373

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:58:03 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> I think they stopped offering that plan 2 years ago.  "Expired" may 
> refer to that pre-paid plan, not the SIM itself.

That explains it. 
Had I paid the $10 before it "expired", I would have had it too.

Nonetheless, on Android, Sideline does the same thing (effectively); but
it's not really the same thing hardware wise - so it depends on your needs.

Sideline gives you a second phone line, for free, for inout texting and
phone.  

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#31350

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:23:58 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> The T-Mobile store gave me a choice -- buy a nanoSIM for $15 (they would 
> dupe my current full-size one) or let them clip off my full-size one to 
> fit for free.  I chose the free option.  They have a tool, but I suspect 
> you could do it yourself.

Funny you mention that, because I have been through the exact experience.
If you call the 611 T-Mobile people, they have no vested interest in 
selling you the $15 card - but the store *can't* give the card to you for 
free (they have to buy them - they told me).

So, I too have had them cut down a card to size after hearing their 
disclaimers that they might ruin the card (they didn't).

However, I have learned that the phone is the best way to get *free* stuff 
from T-Mobile. So, I got the card for free on the second try.

On the first call, they told me to go down to T-Mobile but on the second 
call, I preempted that with a cockamamie story, and they said they'd send 
her a free nano SIM card (of course, they got the address wrong - I just 
found out - but hey - someone is gonna get that free Nanosim card!). 
 
> How do you get "folders"?  I think I might like that rather than 6 pages 
> of home-screen apps which are a nuisance to arrange and remember where I 
> put stuff.  Only 4x4 icons/page (plus 4 in the tray along with the 
> 'apps' button), which is annoying.  Different launcher, perhaps?

On Android, any decent launcher will create empty folders at will (just 
like real operating systems do), but on some Android launchers and on the 
primitive iOS launcher, you artificially create a folder using a cockamamie 
process of merging one app on top of the other.

That creates a folder of what seems like an arbitrary name (which you'll 
change anyway), but whose name comes from the seemingly arbitrary 
"category" of the app in the app store, as defined by some app developer 
who thinks that her app is the greatest gift to mankind so she classifies 
it in the strangest categories.

Once you've created the folder though, it's yours to rename at will. You 
just can't *empty* it or the Apple God will instantly take it to the Apple 
heaven way up in the Apple sky.
 
> I normally hate hierarchies -- I like to see everything at once -- but 
> I'd be willing to use folders if *I* designed them.  I really hate 
> trying to guess where somebody else put something when I only use the 
> device every few months, which is why my windows[95] desktop was quite 
> crowded when it was my main computer

Oh my. You have the "classic" problem - which everyone has - but most 
people just punt and "just give up". 

On mobile devices, you can't have hierarchies in the real sense of the 
term, although, somehow (magically?) I've managed to get TWO (yup. 2) 
levels of hierarchy on the kids' iPad. How I did that, even I don't know, 
but it only happened once - and I can show you a screenshot of a folder 
within a folder on an iPad.

But, other than that one fluke, you get one (yup, one) level deep, which is 
basically a folder.

Now I'm gonna let you in on a big secret. Shhhhhh. Don't tell nobody - y' 
hear? This is all under FriendDA. Y'understand? 

The secret, it to *think* before you make those folders!
Yup. I know. Thinking ahead of time is anathema to most mobile phone users.
But think you do. 

And here's the next secret. Sshhhhh. <low whisper> You classify things by 
what they *do* (not by their silly brand name or the last time you 
installed it).

There it is. 
That's the secret to organizing a desktop.

A folder for everything (that you do) and everything in its folder.

What you *do* are "verb" things.
You "browse". You "mail". You "shop". You "map", etc.

Let's be clear on one thing though... which is that what you actually name
the folders is entirely unimportant as long as it makes sense to 
you. 

Now, I'm gonna tell you something else. What you "do" on a iPhone is the 
same stuff you do on Android. Yup. You "communicate". You "edit". You 
"archive". etc. 

Guess what? You do all that same stuff on Windows.
And, get this! You do all that same stuff on Linux.
And, oh, yup. Even on the Mac you do all that same stuff.

So, the point is that you make a hierarchy that fits YOUR NEEDS (what you 
name things is totally up to you). The point is that:
a. Organize folders in a meaningful hierarchy to you!
b. Organize them by what the app *does* (never by the app name!)
c. Change and modify as your needs dictate.

While you can't hope to organize on iOS as well as you can on Android, you 
can still do it even with the primitive iOS launcher.

With a modern launcher such as Nova, here's my organization on my cell 
phone snapped just now - so I didn't clean it up a single bit for you:
http://i.cubeupload.com/1xQJe6.png

Notice everything I need is a click or two away.

Android makes organizing a desktop about a billion times easier though, so 
if you're stuck on iOS, you're extremely limited in what you can do.

PS: I bluetoothed that screenshot from Android to my laptop, and guess 
what? Despite what nospam and Jolly Roger keep spouting, they've never once 
done it 'cuz it did it in the background and it took two taps to do it.
Heh heh ... 

> Try linux -- The penguin will let you lose or destroy your stuff at will 
> and will laugh at your tears!

Heh heh ... I use Linux all the time. In fact, I love that iOS works well 
with Linux such that there is never a need for the iTunes kluge.

PS: You'll almost never see anyone else show their desktop on this
newsgroup. You know why? They're all big talkers - but they're embarrassed
at how *messy* and disorganized their desktops really are. I do realize
that mine isn't perfect and if folks want, they can shoot at it all they
want, but if they're not willing to show theirs at the same time they're
shooting at mine, they're just disingenuous cowards. 

Here's a diagram of sorts of my organizational look and feel on Android:
http://i.cubeupload.com/lL1L7l.png

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#31351

In article <nlv05i$4c3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > The T-Mobile store gave me a choice -- buy a nanoSIM for $15 (they would 
> > dupe my current full-size one) or let them clip off my full-size one to 
> > fit for free.  I chose the free option.  They have a tool, but I suspect 
> > you could do it yourself.
> 
> Funny you mention that, because I have been through the exact experience.
> If you call the 611 T-Mobile people, they have no vested interest in 
> selling you the $15 card - but the store *can't* give the card to you for 
> free (they have to buy them - they told me).

flat out lie.

if you're activating new service, they'll give you a sim for free, as
well as if you need to switch sizes for an existing account.

otherwise, it's not free.

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#31354

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:37:02 -0400, nospam wrote:

> flat out lie.
> 
> if you're activating new service, they'll give you a sim for free, as
> well as if you need to switch sizes for an existing account.
> 
> otherwise, it's not free.

I don't remember ever *paying* for a SIM card except on burner phones, so,
I don't want to quibble with you.

I will say (again) that the first time I called T-Mobile on this
Nexus-to-iPhone quest, they told me to go to a T-Mobile store to get the
SIM card and that the store can charge me $15. 

I also know I've sent *many* people to T-Mobile for the free 200MB/month,
and most of them had to *pay* (usually $10) for the SIM card (although
T-Mobile runs 'specials'). 

However, "I" rarely (if ever) pay for SIMS from T-Mobile.
The iPads came with them - and they activated the 200MB/month service for
free.

On this Nexus-to-iPhone question, on the first call, T-Mobile told me to
get the SIM card from a store and that they might give it for free and they
might not - charging $15 instead. 

On the second call, I told them the kid had no way of getting to a T-Mobile
store (which is actually true, essentially, unless she gets a ride) and
they are shipping her one as we speak (although they got the address
wrong). 

So, in general, you get the SIM card for free - but I know of plenty of
people who *paid* for them (and I, myself, have paid for them in burner
phones).

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#31358

In article <nlv2fm$6cn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> I will say (again) that the first time I called T-Mobile on this
> Nexus-to-iPhone quest, they told me to go to a T-Mobile store to get the
> SIM card and that the store can charge me $15. 

'can'.

they obviously would prefer if you pay, but it's not required. if it's
new service or a replacement for existing service, it's free. they
might say $15 and hope the person says 'oh ok' but a little pushback
and they'll 'waive the fee'.

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#31360

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:26:34 -0400, nospam wrote:

> 'can'.
> 
> they obviously would prefer if you pay, but it's not required. if it's
> new service or a replacement for existing service, it's free. they
> might say $15 and hope the person says 'oh ok' but a little pushback
> and they'll 'waive the fee'.

That's probably true.

I can't disagree since I get a *lot* of free stuff from them myself.
(For example, T-mo gave me full retail value for the POS 4GB phone that I
originally bought from them for this same kid when we traded the POS 4GB
phone in six months later for the 16GB Nexus 5, although T-mo inflated the
$300 Nexus 5 Google price to $350 but gave me 0% interest for two years).

Anyway, sometimes they do force us to pay what used to be only $1 (on
special) to $10 for the SIM cards - and which is now nominally $15; but as
you said, most of the time you can talk 'em out of it.

But, will you trust a kid to talk 'em out of it when the kid doesn't live
with you so she's on her own?

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#31404

In message <100720162237020649%nospam@nospam.invalid> 
  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nlv05i$4c3$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
> <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

>> 
>> > The T-Mobile store gave me a choice -- buy a nanoSIM for $15 (they would 
>> > dupe my current full-size one) or let them clip off my full-size one to 
>> > fit for free.  I chose the free option.  They have a tool, but I suspect 
>> > you could do it yourself.
>> 
>> Funny you mention that, because I have been through the exact experience.
>> If you call the 611 T-Mobile people, they have no vested interest in 
>> selling you the $15 card - but the store *can't* give the card to you for 
>> free (they have to buy them - they told me).

> flat out lie.

> if you're activating new service, they'll give you a sim for free, as
> well as if you need to switch sizes for an existing account.

Or even "My phone occasionally says there's no sim card" and you'll get
a new SIM.

> otherwise, it's not free.

It's trivial to get it for free, but I know people do pay for them. I
don't think I have ever paid for one.


-- 
Tina... homecoming is spelled c *O* m

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#31352

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 02:26:58 +0000 (UTC), Aardvarks wrote:

> Here's a diagram of sorts of my organizational look and feel on Android:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/lL1L7l.png

BTW, I started with a simple triangle, and it grew over time. :)

The point is that with a modern launcher, you can put the folders and icons
*anywhere* on any grid whatsoever. You can have huge folders or small
folders with as many icons as you want. 

Instead of a triangle, you can have a circle of icons. Or concentric
circles of icons. You can have any amount of white space between the
folders. You can size them. You can shape the folders (I like circles - but
a folder can be other shapes too).

It's all up to you.

On Windows, I also have everything organized by what you "do", not by brand
name.
- archivers (e.g., IZarc)
- browsers (e.g., Tor Browser Bundle)
- cleaners (e.g., Ccleaner)
- databases (e.g., Google Earth)
- editors (e.g., Paint.NET)
- finance (e.g., Turbotax)
- games (e.g., Steam for the kids)
etc.

BTW, if organizing by brand name makes sense to you, then that's OK. 
The only thing that matters is that you organize.
I personally think organizing by brand name makes little sense most of the
time (which is interesting - because everything is organized by brand name
in Windows).

However, sometimes it makes sense.

In fact, since Google apps are problematic in terms of ensuring you're
logged out of their spyware, I only recently added a "Google" folder, which
contains all the google-branded apps on the phone (so that I can tap them,
one by one, to ensure I'm logged out of them all).
http://i.cubeupload.com/htUTlB.png

But in general, things are organized by what I do.

For example, I "roadmap":
http://i.cubeupload.com/rsbrMI.png

And I outdoormap:
http://i.cubeupload.com/a1wrPJ.png

PS: That's all fully functional *freeware*! With excellent offline maps,
whether they're USGS topo maps or professional roadmaps (e.g., not OSM
which stinks in many cases compared to decent road maps). 

PSS: And, despite nospam constantly saying it's too slow, I bluetoothed
those screenshots to my laptop by tapping twice (once to choose bluetooth
and once to send to the laptop) and it sent them before I finished this
sentence.  Heh heh ... 

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#31356

In article <nlv21m$605$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> PSS: And, despite nospam constantly saying it's too slow, I bluetoothed
> those screenshots to my laptop by tapping twice (once to choose bluetooth
> and once to send to the laptop) and it sent them before I finished this
> sentence.  Heh heh ... 

you still don't get it.

bluetooth is orders of magnitude slower than other options.

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#31362

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:26:32 -0400, nospam wrote:

> you still don't get it.
> 
> bluetooth is orders of magnitude slower than other options.

You use the transfer mechanism that makes the most sense.

1. I viewed the screnshot and tapped on the bluetooth icon
2. I then tapped on the bluetooth server (which is the laptop)

That's it. 

The screnshot is transferred to Linux or Windows before I finished typing
this sentence.

You only complain about bluetooth file transfer because you can't do it on
iOS.

You might root around for a USB cable, but knowing you, you don't even do
that to transfer a file from your iOS device to your Linux or Windows
laptop.

When you don't have a network connection to the Linux or Windows laptop,
you "just give up".

And, even when you do have a network connection to the Linux or Windows
laptop, you use software that doesn't work on 1/3 the common platforms.

And even when you have a platform that the software works on (aka Mac), you
still load a boatload of bloatware, just so that you can transfer a
screenshot file. Or you put all your screenshots to the cloud (which you
have to rent for the rest of your life if you go over your paltry teaser
free Apple limit).

All because you don't have bluetooth file transfer on iOS.

Me?
Tap tap. It's done.

You only complain about bluetooth file transfer because you can't do it on
iOS. In most circumstances, you use either bloatware, or the cloud instead.
And in some circumstances, you just give up (when there is no network).

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#31366

In article <nlv4nr$8fd$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > you still don't get it.
> > 
> > bluetooth is orders of magnitude slower than other options.
> 
> You use the transfer mechanism that makes the most sense.

which is unquestionably *not* bluetooth.

> 1. I viewed the screnshot and tapped on the bluetooth icon
> 2. I then tapped on the bluetooth server (which is the laptop)
> 
> That's it. 

it's the exact same procedure to send over wifi (but different buttons)
and several orders of magnitude faster.

> The screnshot is transferred to Linux or Windows before I finished typing
> this sentence.

the only reason is because the photo was tiny.

try transferring a movie over bluetooth. good luck on that one. it will
be a *long* time.

> You only complain about bluetooth file transfer because you can't do it on
> iOS.

no need for bluetooth file transfer when much better options exist.

> You might root around for a USB cable, but knowing you, you don't even do
> that to transfer a file from your iOS device to your Linux or Windows
> laptop.

i don't need a usb cable and i can transfer to *any* system anywhere on
the planet (assuming i have access) regardless of operating system,
whether it's within 10 feet or 10000 miles.

> When you don't have a network connection to the Linux or Windows laptop,
> you "just give up".

wrong.

> And, even when you do have a network connection to the Linux or Windows
> laptop, you use software that doesn't work on 1/3 the common platforms.

wrong

> And even when you have a platform that the software works on (aka Mac), you
> still load a boatload of bloatware, just so that you can transfer a
> screenshot file. Or you put all your screenshots to the cloud (which you
> have to rent for the rest of your life if you go over your paltry teaser
> free Apple limit).

nope.

> All because you don't have bluetooth file transfer on iOS.

wrong

> Me?
> Tap tap. It's done.
> 
> You only complain about bluetooth file transfer because you can't do it on
> iOS. In most circumstances, you use either bloatware, or the cloud instead.
> And in some circumstances, you just give up (when there is no network).

wrong.

you've been repeatedly told countless times (i'm sure it's well over
100 by now) and you *still* don't get it.

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#31370

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:57:44 -0400, nospam wrote:

> it's the exact same procedure to send over wifi (but different buttons)
> and several orders of magnitude faster.

Each transfer method has its merits.
The fact that you always denigrate bluetooth is the only problem here.
Bluetooth has its merits too (e.g., when there is no WiFi for example).

> the only reason is because the photo was tiny.

Each file transfer method has its merits.
Bluetooth works perfectly fine for screenshots.
I use it all the time and it's just tap tap, and it's done.

the only problem is that you constantly try to discredit bluetooth, even
where it's completely applicable, *only* because you can't do it.

> try transferring a movie over bluetooth. good luck on that one. it will
> be a *long* time.

I transfer movies from and to iOS and Android all the time. 
I use USB cable for movies.
Works fine for me. 

I wouldn't even think of using Bluetooth for a movie.
Unless I didn't have a network nor a cable.
 
> no need for bluetooth file transfer when much better options exist.

Except that in some circumstances, bluetooth works where nothing else will,
e.g., if you have no network and no cable.

> i don't need a usb cable and i can transfer to *any* system anywhere on
> the planet (assuming i have access) regardless of operating system,
> whether it's within 10 feet or 10000 miles.

So can everyone else.
In fact, we can do everything you can do. 
And more.
Simply because we have bluetooth file transfer - and you don't.

When you have no cable and no network - you just give up.
Meanwhile, we're *done* transferring the file.

The only thing that is bothersome about you is that you deprecate methods
purely because you can't do them. 

It's like Jolly Roger deprecating the Android App drawer, simply because he
can't do that - yet - he tries to replicate the app drawer on iOS and
doesn't even realize what he's doing.

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#31378

In article <nlva7c$e5d$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > it's the exact same procedure to send over wifi (but different buttons)
> > and several orders of magnitude faster.
> 
> Each transfer method has its merits.
> The fact that you always denigrate bluetooth is the only problem here.

it's not a problem at all. i'm calling it like it is. bluetooth is
slow. 

> Bluetooth has its merits too (e.g., when there is no WiFi for example).

such as sending configuration information (maybe 1k of data) or audio
streaming. 

for file transfer, it has no merits. zero. nada.

> > the only reason is because the photo was tiny.
> 
> Each file transfer method has its merits.
> Bluetooth works perfectly fine for screenshots.
> I use it all the time and it's just tap tap, and it's done.
> 
> the only problem is that you constantly try to discredit bluetooth, even
> where it's completely applicable, *only* because you can't do it.

why would anyone want to do it when it's the slowest and most
convoluted method possible.

technology has advanced to where there are *much* better options
available, including on android, yet for some fucked up reason, you are
fixated on an outdated slow as hell transfer method.


> 
> > try transferring a movie over bluetooth. good luck on that one. it will
> > be a *long* time.
> 
> I transfer movies from and to iOS and Android all the time. 
> I use USB cable for movies.
> Works fine for me. 

you needs a cable? how lame.

> I wouldn't even think of using Bluetooth for a movie.
> Unless I didn't have a network nor a cable.

then why use it for photos?

> > no need for bluetooth file transfer when much better options exist.
> 
> Except that in some circumstances, bluetooth works where nothing else will,
> e.g., if you have no network and no cable.

there's always a wireless network between two devices. 

> > i don't need a usb cable and i can transfer to *any* system anywhere on
> > the planet (assuming i have access) regardless of operating system,
> > whether it's within 10 feet or 10000 miles.
> 
> So can everyone else.
> In fact, we can do everything you can do. 

no you definitely can't, no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

try transferring a movie with just a tap. oh right, you can't. you have
to dig up a *cable*. 

> And more.
> Simply because we have bluetooth file transfer - and you don't.

nobody but you wants bluetooth file transfer when better options exist.
it's slow as fuck.
 
> When you have no cable and no network - you just give up.
> Meanwhile, we're *done* transferring the file.

nope. a tap and the file is transferred in less time than it does for
you.

i don't know why you refuse to acknowledge that.

> The only thing that is bothersome about you is that you deprecate methods
> purely because you can't do them. 

nope. i deprecate them because they're horribly slow and woefully
outdated.

> It's like Jolly Roger deprecating the Android App drawer, simply because he
> can't do that - yet - he tries to replicate the app drawer on iOS and
> doesn't even realize what he's doing.

the app drawer is clumsy.

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#31382

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <nlva7c$e5d$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
> <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's like Jolly Roger deprecating the Android App drawer, simply because he
>> can't do that - yet - he tries to replicate the app drawer on iOS and
>> doesn't even realize what he's doing.
> 
> the app drawer is clumsy.

Yep, and also that wasn't me. Aardvarks has changed his nym so many times
trolling her he's gotten his names mixed up. And I don't hide Apple apps in
a folder. He's a fucking moron troll.


-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#31436

On 11 Jul 2016 06:16:39 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> He's a fucking moron troll.

:)

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#31437

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:35:58 -0400, nospam wrote:

> try transferring a movie with just a tap. oh right, you can't. you have
> to dig up a *cable*.

I'm not going to argue with you on this topic because we've been down it so
many times. You're talking *inside* the walled garden and I'm always on
Linux or Windows when I'm also on iOS.

You can't do what I do, period - simply because your stuff doesn't run on
the platforms I use.

Anyway, let's stop this bluetooth discussion because you are doing fine
without it and I'm doing fine with it - so there's really no problem.

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#31440

In article <nm0ljf$jvs$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > try transferring a movie with just a tap. oh right, you can't. you have
> > to dig up a *cable*.
> 
> I'm not going to argue with you on this topic because we've been down it so
> many times. You're talking *inside* the walled garden and I'm always on
> Linux or Windows when I'm also on iOS.

nope.

even after all those times, you *still* don't get it. 

there are no walls except the ones you put up yourself, which you do
rather frequently and then bitch that apple put them there. they did
not. you did.

the *fact* is that ios devices can easily transfer content without any
issue whatsoever over a far faster link than bluetooth could ever dream
of to just about *any* platform, including windows, linux, bsd and
various other platforms.

it's *not* mac-only.

> You can't do what I do, period - simply because your stuff doesn't run on
> the platforms I use.

i don't want to do what you do because it's a couple of decades
outdated and absurdly slow. i don't want to use a dial-up modem either,
for similar reasons.

there are much faster and better solutions now. i use those.

> Anyway, let's stop this bluetooth discussion because you are doing fine
> without it and I'm doing fine with it - so there's really no problem.

translated: you refuse to learn new things.

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#31361

On 07/10/2016 07:26 PM, Aardvarks wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 18:23:58 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> How do you get "folders"?  I think I might like that rather than 6 pages
>> of home-screen apps which are a nuisance to arrange and remember where I
>> put stuff.  Only 4x4 icons/page (plus 4 in the tray along with the
>> 'apps' button), which is annoying.  Different launcher, perhaps?
>
> On Android, any decent launcher will create empty folders at will (just
> like real operating systems do), but on some Android launchers and on the
> primitive iOS launcher, you artificially create a folder using a cockamamie
> process of merging one app on top of the other.

AAARGH.  I did that once by accident.  Fortunately I figured out how to 
repair the damage :-(  I just tried it deliberately and found that I was 
able to name the agglomeration.  I need to think about this...

> That creates a folder of what seems like an arbitrary name (which you'll
> change anyway), but whose name comes from the seemingly arbitrary
> "category" of the app in the app store, as defined by some app developer
> who thinks that her app is the greatest gift to mankind so she classifies
> it in the strangest categories.
>
> Once you've created the folder though, it's yours to rename at will. You
> just can't *empty* it or the Apple God will instantly take it to the Apple
> heaven way up in the Apple sky.

Sorry, I don't intend to ever use any Apple product unless that's all 
there is. I dislike Windows but use it anyway -- you can't get tax 
software or Canon drivers or Garmin stuff for linux.  Other things too, 
but that's the important stuff.

>> I normally hate hierarchies -- I like to see everything at once -- but
>> I'd be willing to use folders if *I* designed them.  I really hate
>> trying to guess where somebody else put something when I only use the
>> device every few months, which is why my windows[95] desktop was quite
>> crowded when it was my main computer
>
> Oh my. You have the "classic" problem - which everyone has - but most
> people just punt and "just give up".
>
> On mobile devices, you can't have hierarchies in the real sense of the
> term, although, somehow (magically?) I've managed to get TWO (yup. 2)
> levels of hierarchy on the kids' iPad. How I did that, even I don't know,
> but it only happened once - and I can show you a screenshot of a folder
> within a folder on an iPad.

One exception to my Apple disdain -- I like the 4x5 (or approximation) 
iPad format better than the android tablet format.  It just seems more 
useful, somehow.

> But, other than that one fluke, you get one (yup, one) level deep, which is
> basically a folder.
>
> Now I'm gonna let you in on a big secret. Shhhhhh. Don't tell nobody - y'
> hear? This is all under FriendDA. Y'understand?
>
> The secret, it to *think* before you make those folders!
> Yup. I know. Thinking ahead of time is anathema to most mobile phone users.
> But think you do.

But thinking is HARD....

> And here's the next secret. Sshhhhh. <low whisper> You classify things by
> what they *do* (not by their silly brand name or the last time you
> installed it).
>
> There it is.
> That's the secret to organizing a desktop.

<sigh>  That's the equivalent of "Hungry?  Try eating something!" or "To 
play the flute, put your fingers over these holes and blow into this hole."

> With a modern launcher such as Nova, here's my organization on my cell
> phone snapped just now - so I didn't clean it up a single bit for you:
> http://i.cubeupload.com/1xQJe6.png

Very tidy.  But what are you going to do with all those extra "home" pages?

> Heh heh ... I use Linux all the time. In fact, I love that iOS works well
> with Linux such that there is never a need for the iTunes kluge.

Daughter has an iPhone.  During a transition to the next phone she 
somehow lost everything.  Rant/rave/scream and eventually the guy at the 
Apple store got it all back, but she's a tour director and LIVES on her 
phone, and it caused severe problems.  Rule #1 -- never do an 
update/upgrade unless you can tolerate two days of downtime.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    "History started badly and hav been geting steadily worse."
                                          -- Nigel Molesworth

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#31365

In article <nlv4ik$ea3$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> Daughter has an iPhone.  During a transition to the next phone she 
> somehow lost everything.  Rant/rave/scream and eventually the guy at the 
> Apple store got it all back, but she's a tour director and LIVES on her 
> phone, and it caused severe problems.  Rule #1 -- never do an 
> update/upgrade unless you can tolerate two days of downtime.

nonsense. upgrades normally go without a hitch.

in the unlikely event they don't (nothing is perfect), restore from
backup.

worst case, it's an hour or two, total.

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