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| First post | 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000 |
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Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:53 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 18:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 07:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 11:14 -0600
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 18:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 02:05 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-04 01:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 07:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-02 22:47 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 21:22 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 11:21 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 15:27 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 19:31 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 17:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 20:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-15 02:01 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 16:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-17 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 20:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-18 01:34 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-19 21:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 01:16 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 04:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 15:45 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 16:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 19:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-21 17:36 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-21 17:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 11:34 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 09:00 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-22 07:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 10:59 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 17:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 19:33 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 15:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 19:49 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-12 02:20 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 04:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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| From | Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <wwvzfgzouqb.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
| In reply to | #147506 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM > and CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as “providing” Free > software to you? They do provide a large body of free software, both to their users in a macOS install or to anyone who cares to download it: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS -- https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6rhvblxb0d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147506 |
On 2025-04-02 04:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and > CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as “providing” Free software to > you? Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <vsk71d$2od8n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147510 |
On 2025-04-02 10:58:14 +0000, Carlos E.R. said: > On 2025-04-02 04:10, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 13:33:43 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> >>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >> >> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as “providing” Free software to >> you? > > Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus the various Apple operating systems themselves.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vskhqb$gmn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147519 |
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : >>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>> >>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>> you? >> >> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. > > Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple > devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, > Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus > the various Apple operating systems themselves. There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. That's bad. What's common about all other operating systems is that you can. That's good.
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vsmtpv$1kssr$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147523 |
On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > >>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>> >>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>> you? >>> >>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >> >> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >> the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > That's bad. It would be... ...if it were true... ...but it's false.
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| From | WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.2DA093F100430FAE7000070DE38F@news.supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #147598 |
On Apr 3, 2025, Alan wrote (in article <vsmtpv$1kssr$5@dont-email.me>): > On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > > > > > > > > > But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > > > > > > > > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and > > > > > CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free > > > > > software to > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. > > > > > > Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple > > > devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, > > > Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus > > > the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > > That's bad. Hmm. Looks at nice shiny new iPhone 16, currently downloading all the stuff which was on the iPhone 11 which I had before updating to a 16. All of it. Looks at the old iPhone 11, sitting next to the 16. Is all my stuff still there? Why yes it is. I’m going to have to erase the 11 before sending it off to AT&T to get the refund to apply to the price of the 16. Until then, all my stuff, including all the free Apple stuff, will be on two phones. Hmm... now where is that... ah, there it is. My ancient iPhone 6, which had been too old to trade in on the 11. Let me plug it in and power it up... why there is all my stuff as it was before I got the 11. As the 6 no longer has a SIM, it can’t make calls... if it’s not on a network with a device with the same AppleID. Which it is. It can use my old stuff. It can be upgraded to the limits of the hardware. It can make calls. Why. all my old free Apple stuff is in _three_ places. Damn, that’s good for something which can’t be re-used... Oh. Wait. I have an iPad. Did the stuff from the iPhone show on the iPad? Why yes it did. That’s _four_ places, all of which can be used, two of which can run all of the latest and greatest versions, one more of which can run most of the latest and greatest until I reformat it to send it to AT&T. And if I didn’t want AT&T’s bounty I’d be able to use the 11, just as I can still use the 6. Note that ’same network as a device with the same AppleID’ includes Macs and, to a limited extent, iCloud-equipped WinBoxen. I can use the 6 as a phone. Still. Even if I don’t have the 16, the 11, or the iPad. I can use the apps, including the Apple apps, on it... And I can use iCloud web apps on the WinBoxen, including Find My, Maps, iWork, more... Damn. That’s _seven_ places, one made by ASUS, one. by Lenovo, one by MSI, not Apple! Damn! is there no limit to Apple’s perfidy? Forcing users to be able to use free Apple stuff ANYWHERE THEY BLOODY WANT TO? The horror. The horror. > > It would be... > > ...if it were true... > > ...but it's false. Alden’s an idiot.
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| From | WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.2DA0947600432EDB7000070DE38F@news.supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #147632 |
On Apr 4, 2025, WolfFan wrote (in article<0001HW.2DA093F100430FAE7000070DE38F@news.supernews.com>): > On Apr 3, 2025, Alan wrote > (in article <vsmtpv$1kssr$5@dont-email.me>): > > > On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. > > > > > > > > > > > > The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and > > > > > > CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free > > > > > > software to > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. > > > > > > > > Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple > > > > devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, > > > > Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus > > > > the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > > > > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > > > > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > > > That's bad. > > Hmm. Looks at nice shiny new iPhone 16, currently downloading all the stuff > which was on the iPhone 11 which I had before updating to a 16. All of it. > Looks at the old iPhone 11, sitting next to the 16. Is all my stuff still > there? Why yes it is. I’m going to have to erase the 11 before sending it > off to AT&T to get the refund to apply to the price of the 16. Until then, > all my stuff, including all the free Apple stuff, will be on two phones. > Hmm... now where is that... ah, there it is. My ancient iPhone 6, which had > been too old to trade in on the 11. Let me plug it in and power it up... why > there is all my stuff as it was before I got the 11. As the 6 no longer has a > SIM, it can’t make calls... if it’s not on a network with a device with > the same AppleID. Which it is. It can use my old stuff. It can be upgraded to > the limits of the hardware. It can make calls. Why. all my old free Apple > stuff is in _three_ places. Damn, that’s good for something which can’t > be re-used... > > Oh. Wait. I have an iPad. Did the stuff from the iPhone show on the iPad? Why > yes it did. That’s _four_ places, all of which can be used, two of which > can run all of the latest and greatest versions, one more of which can run > most of the latest and greatest until I reformat it to send it to AT&T. And > if I didn’t want AT&T’s bounty I’d be able to use the 11, just as I can > still use the 6. Note that ’same network as a device with the same > AppleID’ includes Macs and, to a limited extent, iCloud-equipped WinBoxen. > I can use the 6 as a phone. Still. Even if I don’t have the 16, the 11, or > the iPad. I can use the apps, including the Apple apps, on it... > > And I can use iCloud web apps on the WinBoxen, including Find My, Maps, > iWork, more... Damn. That’s _seven_ places, one made by ASUS, one. by > Lenovo, one by MSI, not Apple! Damn! is there no limit to Apple’s perfidy? > Forcing users to be able to use free Apple stuff ANYWHERE THEY BLOODY WANT > TO? The horror. The horror. > > > > It would be... > > > > ...if it were true... > > > > ...but it's false. > > Alden’s an idiot. that should be ‘Arlen’, damn it.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsptq6$s2r$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147632 |
On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 18:25:53 -0400, WolfFan wrote : >>> There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. >>> >>> What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. >>> That's bad. > > Hmm. Looks at nice shiny new iPhone 16, currently downloading all the stuff > which was on the iPhone 11 which I had before updating to a 16. All of it. > Looks at the old iPhone 11, sitting next to the 16. Is all my stuff still > there? Why yes it is. The problem with you Apple trolls is you have no idea how things work in the real world. You live in a restrictive cave that Apple created for you. On every other platform but iOS, you can take that installer (in your case, the IPA file) and install it on *billions* of other similar devices. Yes. Billions. The point being the installer isn't locked solely to you. Only Apple locks free installers so that you *must* download them again. Nobody else does that. Just Apple. And that's bad. Apple's ecosystem locks you under the surface of the earth as if in a cave. > I'm going to have to erase the 11 before sending it > off to AT&T to get the refund to apply to the price of the 16. Thank you for bringing up that only Apple owners are so desperate to recoup some of the immense money they paid that they pine for trade-in assistance. Apple owners are mainly the only people who pay twice as much for the phone, then line up at the store to ditch that phone at the first chance. Then, they get half as much back for the original phone, just to pay twice as much for the phone that they lined up outside the store to get. They *hate* their phones so much that they can't wait to ditch them. And that's bad. The entire Apple ecosystem is like living in an underground cavern. > Until then, > all my stuff, including all the free Apple stuff, will be on two phones. > Hmm... now where is that... ah, there it is. My ancient iPhone 6, which had > been too old to trade in on the 11. Let me plug it in and power it up... why > there is all my stuff as it was before I got the 11. As the 6 no longer has a > SIM, it can't make calls... if it's not on a network with a device with > the same AppleID. Which it is. It can use my old stuff. It can be upgraded to > the limits of the hardware. It can make calls. Why. all my old free Apple > stuff is in _three_ places. Damn, that's good for something which can't > be re-used... Now install on that iPhone 11 all the software that is on that iPhone 6 that is no longer on the Apple App Store. C'mon. Do it. Do it now. Oh wait. You can't. Every other operating system allows re-use (as long as the hardware is compatible) but only Apple prevents you from re-using your apps. You've been in a cave the moment you bought into the Apple ecosystem. > Oh. Wait. I have an iPad. Did the stuff from the iPhone show on the iPad? Why > yes it did. That's _four_ places, all of which can be used, two of which > can run all of the latest and greatest versions, one more of which can run > most of the latest and greatest until I reformat it to send it to AT&T. And > if I didn't want AT&T's bounty I'd be able to use the 11, just as I can > still use the 6. Note that 'same network as a device with the same > AppleID' includes Macs and, to a limited extent, iCloud-equipped WinBoxen. > I can use the 6 as a phone. Still. Even if I don't have the 16, the 11, or > the iPad. I can use the apps, including the Apple apps, on it... You have a lot of software on that iPad, right? So now your next-door neighbor and your best friend and *billions* of others want those IPAs. How do you get those IPAs to those people so they can re-use your apps? You can't. On *every* other operating system, you can. You are suffocated by Apple. Apple has you living in a cave that has no air vents to the outside world. > And I can use iCloud web apps on the WinBoxen, including Find My, Maps, > iWork, more... Damn. That's _seven_ places, one made by ASUS, one. by > Lenovo, one by MSI, not Apple! Damn! is there no limit to Apple's perfidy? > Forcing users to be able to use free Apple stuff ANYWHERE THEY BLOODY WANT > TO? The horror. The horror. I realize you live in a cave made by Apple, suffocated by the fact that Apple locks each and every IPA to your AppleID and only to your AppleID. I realize Apple tracks you since you can't leave that cave, forever. But what you need to realize is that everyone else in the world except Apple owners has full & complete re-use of free software app installers. Good for the rest of the world; bad for Apple owners. Unfortunately, when it comes to app re-use, Apple owners live in a cave.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m5iefsF3harU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147598 |
Alan, 2025-04-03 23:15: > On 2025-04-02 16:38, Marion wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : >> >> >>>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>>> >>>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>>> you? >>>> >>>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >>> >>> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >>> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >>> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >>> the various Apple operating systems themselves. >> >> There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. >> >> What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. >> That's bad. > > It would be... > > ...if it were true... > > ...but it's false. There is a difference between software which is "for free" and software which is "free". "Free software" is usually open source and you can use the source code for your own versions with any modifications you want to apply to it. Is the source code of iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine open and available? Or are these programs just "for free" aka "gratis"? -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt1cru$2kp3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147677 |
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:57:32 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > "Free software" is usually open source and you can use the source code > for your own versions with any modifications you want to apply to it. Hi Arno, I use iOS and Windows and Android concurrently, all day, every day. Most people do not (and I used to use Linux all day, every day too). So I know what's UNIQUE about iOS when it comes to Apple IPA locks. You're apparently responding to Alan Baker, who, besides being an Apple troll (i.e., one who brazenly denies everything he hates about Apple products), has never in his life ever used Windows, Linux or Android. Hence, he thinks "re-use" is about "free & open source", where even if an app is free & open source, if Apple distributes it, they have control. Apple can even revoke your use of that "free & open source" app, if they want to, since Apple controls every action you perform with that app. Hence, the point about "re-use" I'm making has nothing to do with the type of software since *every* IPA on an iOS device is locked to 1 AppleID (note there are family-plans too, but that's essentially the same thing). Most people have no idea how restrictive the Apple subterranean cave ecosystem is; they're unaware that you can not re-use that IPA on another device which has a *different* Apple ID, even if it's free & open source. No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. Only Apple. And that's bad. Read on only if you're technically inclined to know what's going on. When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a provisioning profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer account and a set of authorized devices. For apps downloaded from the App Store, this process is managed by Apple and linked to your Apple ID. All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open source" suffer this process, since every single app ever downloaded from Apple's App Store restricts their usage to the Apple ID that originally downloaded them. While you can "sideload" apps on iOS (using Developer Certificates), that process is not typically performed by the common user but it too is restricted, but usually to a number of installations & not to an Apple ID. The Mac also ties a "free & open source" Apple App Store app to your Apple ID, but the Mac allows re-use on another Mac of a different Apple ID; but not really since updates can't happen on apps which are copied from one Mac to another. However, to its credit, the Mac can download an app from the developer's web site, and that app is not tied to the Apple ID by Apple. So in that respect, the Mac is more like every other operating system. The question now arises as to *why* Apple adds your unique Apple ID to every app installed from the Apple App Store, even those which you'd otherwise consider to be "free & open source". Note that Apple can track not only your usage of that app, but meta data inherent in that usage.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <d41eclxa6l.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147679 |
On 2025-04-07 22:34, Marion wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 18:57:32 +0200, Arno Welzel wrote : > > >> "Free software" is usually open source and you can use the source code >> for your own versions with any modifications you want to apply to it. > > Hi Arno, > > I use iOS and Windows and Android concurrently, all day, every day. > Most people do not (and I used to use Linux all day, every day too). > > So I know what's UNIQUE about iOS when it comes to Apple IPA locks. > > You're apparently responding to Alan Baker, who, besides being an Apple > troll (i.e., one who brazenly denies everything he hates about Apple > products), has never in his life ever used Windows, Linux or Android. No, we are talking to you. ... > No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. > Only Apple. Arlen, that defines that software as "non Free", period. Don't beat around the bush. Meaning, don't write long explanations. That is not Free software. It may be gratis, but it is not Free. Uppercase. ... -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt1p1i$jlq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147681 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 00:45:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. >> Only Apple. > > that defines that software as "non Free", period. Don't beat > around the bush. Meaning, don't write long explanations. That is not > Free software. It may be gratis, but it is not Free. Uppercase. There is free open source software which does not cost money but when distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. Only Apple. Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <om7eclxga6.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147682 |
On 2025-04-08 02:01, Marion wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 00:45:01 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >>> No other common consumer operating system restricts free app re-use. >>> Only Apple. >> >> that defines that software as "non Free", period. Don't beat >> around the bush. Meaning, don't write long explanations. That is not >> Free software. It may be gratis, but it is not Free. Uppercase. > > There is free open source software which does not cost money but when > distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. > > No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. > Only Apple. AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You claim to be clever. Be it. > > Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it. I don't care who does it. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt2efn$uio$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147683 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. >> >> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >> Only Apple. > > AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. > > Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You > claim to be clever. Be it. > >> >> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it. > > I don't care who does it. The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every type. No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple does. That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. And that's what's bad.
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <vt2pnd$1u8qo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147684 |
On 8/04/2025 4:07 pm, Marion wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 02:37:12 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > >>> There is free open source software which does not cost money but when >>> distributed by the Apple App Store, it's locked to a specific Apple ID. >>> >>> No other operating system vendor does that for software that is free. >>> Only Apple. >> >> AGAIN, that is not FREE Software. >> >> Stop calling it Free. It ain't. This is serious, Arlen. Study it up. You >> claim to be clever. Be it. >> >>> Call it whatever you want to call it, but that's what Apple does to it. >> >> I don't care who does it. > > The fact that only Apple adds locks (to an Apple ID) on software that no > other operating system locks is the technical point that matters here. > > That lock goes on *all* software from Apple. Every single app. Every type. > No matter what type of app it is. It gets that unique lock only Apple does. > > That's what's different. The lock. It's unique. Only Apple does that. > > That lock prevents re-use. And that lock allows Apple to track you. > And that's what's bad. > Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? -- Daniel70
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt2tip$30va$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147687 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 19:19:39 +1000, Daniel70 wrote : > Am I mis-reading what is being posted here?? > > Both Marion *AND* Carlos E.R. seem to be suggesting that *only* Apple > locks a user into their/Apples system .... Other OSs/systems are not > locking their users into THEIR OSs/Systems. > > Or am I mis-understanding what is being posted?? Assuming compatible hardware & operating system APIs... it's a fact that... 1. On Windows, Linux, Android & to some extent macOS, if you download any installer (from anywhere), that installer can (almost always) be re-used on any other similar machine (assuming compatible hardware). 2. On iOS, it can't. The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on devices with that specific unique Apple ID. In summary, all common platforms allow re-use of installers... except iOS.
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| From | Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt2tor$2dqm$1@neodome.net> |
| In reply to | #147688 |
On 8/4/2025, Marion wrote: > The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded > software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on > devices with that specific unique Apple ID. What happens if you subsequently remove the Apple ID from the iOS device?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6lcfclx76k.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147689 |
On 2025-04-08 12:28, Frankie wrote: > On 8/4/2025, Marion wrote: > >> The *reason* you can't re-use Apple IPAs is Apple locks the downloaded >> software to a specific unique Apple ID so that it can only be installed on >> devices with that specific unique Apple ID. > > What happens if you subsequently remove the Apple ID from the iOS device? Arlen, you are talking to yourself. This is very bad manners. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt3o85$333$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147690 |
On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 13:07:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > This is very bad manners. Speaking of bad manners, the point of this offshoot is about good & bad. 1. Only iOS *locks* every installer to a specific unique ID. 2. This is bad for two reasons, one of which is it prevents reuse. 3. The other reason it's bad is Apple uniquely is tracking app metadata. Apple (yet again) brazenly lied about being more private than Android. Apple gets away with these lies because their customer is rather ignorant. Even so, the average Android user likely doesn't know these basic facts. A. Only Android *always* auto-saves the original installer on the device. B. Which is good (because it allows re-use on billions of other devices). In summary, only Android saves the original installer on the device. And that's good. And only iOS locks every app installer to a unique specific user. And that's bad.
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| From | Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m5n0vuFr38jU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147696 |
Marion, 2025-04-08 20:00: > On Tue, 8 Apr 2025 13:07:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : > > >> This is very bad manners. > > Speaking of bad manners, the point of this offshoot is about good & bad. > > 1. Only iOS *locks* every installer to a specific unique ID. > 2. This is bad for two reasons, one of which is it prevents reuse. Which is irrelevant for most cases, since installer files can not just be copied from one iPhone to another anyway. -- Arno Welzel https://arnowelzel.de
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