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| Started by | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| First post | 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000 |
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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:23 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:56 +1000
anonymous sims in EU (was: Who pays for a phone..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-07-23 20:21 +0200
Re: anonymous sims in EU tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-03 20:04 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:27 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 17:00 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:26 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:00 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 14:22 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-22 10:07 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:06 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-07-22 13:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 09:08 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 11:22 +0800
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 14:36 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:12 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:34 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:58 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 17:51 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 09:57 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:32 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Wolfgang Barth <barthwo@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-24 15:38 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-24 09:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:17 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:18 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:47 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:46 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:50 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 06:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-04 16:21 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 08:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:30 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-04 19:33 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-06 09:39 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:17 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:41 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-04 17:25 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:26 +1000
voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-05 20:08 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 14:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-05 15:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 12:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 16:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:24 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-10-21 19:45 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:17 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-10-24 17:49 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 13:40 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-24 19:03 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-25 09:52 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 22:28 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-10-25 08:17 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-10-25 18:50 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-25 18:00 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 10:16 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-26 07:24 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:13 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 07:09 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:03 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 18:33 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-26 08:07 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-10-25 14:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-25 17:10 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-10-26 10:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:09 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-26 07:27 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 07:11 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:09 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-10-26 21:24 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 23:18 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:53 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 23:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 06:02 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:09 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:04 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-08-09 00:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 12:42 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-10 00:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 17:50 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:19 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:10 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 08:43 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:40 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-11 00:21 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:57 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-11 09:57 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:20 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-12 11:21 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 19:50 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-12 16:21 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:08 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 09:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 17:04 +0200
security concept "rule of least priviledge" (was: voting booths in repu areas) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: security concept "rule of least priviledge" (was: voting booths in repu areas) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 10:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:26 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 09:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 17:14 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 11:42 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 18:47 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 14:22 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 07:00 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-14 11:34 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 06:53 +0700
what's entrapment (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 14:13 +0000
Re: what's entrapment (was: voting booths in republican areas) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:20 +0700
Re: what's entrapment Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-18 22:06 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:43 +0700
prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 13:42 +0000
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:08 +0700
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-16 17:14 +0200
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-17 22:57 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-12 13:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-12 18:31 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-12 22:44 -0400
why disclose personal info (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 13:20 +0000
Re: why disclose personal info David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-15 15:12 +0100
Re: why disclose personal info Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-15 15:08 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:23 -0700
accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-15 09:50 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-08-15 16:36 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:55 -0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-15 14:44 -0500
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 19:34 -0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 09:54 +0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-18 11:02 +1000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-22 12:55 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:08 +0200
security vs. manners (was: accommodating unreasonable searches..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-24 00:48 +0200
Re: security vs. manners Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-24 14:18 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 19:59 -0700
Re: security vs. manners Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-25 13:40 +0200
Re: security vs. manners Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2015-08-25 12:31 -0400
Re: security vs. manners lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-08-25 16:38 +0000
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:29 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 10:19 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 11:45 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 13:53 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 14:39 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 16:56 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 16:08 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 17:33 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 17:32 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 19:51 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 18:59 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-27 08:42 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-27 09:24 -0500
Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 22:52 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:57 -0700
Re: security vs. manners Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 15:36 +0100
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-25 21:04 -0400
Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 03:25 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:26 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 12:18 -0700
Re: security vs. manners (was: accommodating unreasonable searches..) TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-25 08:36 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-16 23:19 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-17 18:08 +0100
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-17 17:22 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-17 23:15 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-18 17:11 +0100
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-18 23:03 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 13:53 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:49 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 17:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 19:51 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:56 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 20:51 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 21:48 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:29 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 15:40 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-07 00:08 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 21:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:04 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:58 +1000
do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-08 14:03 +0200
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Elias <elias@nowherenohow.com> - 2015-08-08 10:02 -0500
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 21:28 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:23 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-08-06 07:00 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:59 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 15:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 18:50 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:12 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:40 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:24 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:22 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:35 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-06 14:36 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:18 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:31 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:04 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:44 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:58 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:12 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:36 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-10 20:05 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:38 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 15:25 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:19 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:38 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:11 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:14 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:38 -0700
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-07 14:58 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-07 10:56 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 05:16 +1000
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-25 22:45 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:24 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-27 13:47 +0000
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-27 10:20 -0400
q) campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? a) education Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0000
comp.mobile.android "The Sorceress of Qar" <sorceress@qar.qanar.com> - 2015-08-27 09:23 -0500
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-27 13:01 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201509.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-09-06 00:12 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-08 16:21 -0700
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-22 23:11 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 20:54 -0700
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-22 23:40 -0500
Bev's reverse logic (was: leader's campaigns..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-09-03 09:22 +0200
Re: Bev's reverse logic David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0100
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-23 08:49 -0400
small campaign donations (was: leader's campaigns..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-31 16:06 -0400
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-12 04:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-05 18:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 16:02 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2015-08-06 18:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-07 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-10 08:51 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-10 22:28 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 08:53 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 01:06 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 10:25 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 17:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-12 09:54 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 19:00 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:39 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-06 16:14 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 09:49 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 11:46 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 18:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 08:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 12:56 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 11:57 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:04 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 12:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 06:09 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 13:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 12:39 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 20:09 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:27 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 14:58 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 16:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 08:32 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 08:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-24 09:37 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 15:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 16:34 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 12:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 22:35 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 00:03 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:01 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 09:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 23:57 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:05 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 09:28 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:14 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 09:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 07:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:56 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:52 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas David Solimano <david@solimano.org> - 2015-08-06 22:52 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:59 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 20:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:03 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 05:34 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:04 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Dieghettino <d@casa.mia> - 2015-07-26 06:41 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 08:45 +1000
non-EU travellers must carry passports (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-01 20:26 +0200
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-01 21:33 +0100
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-03 23:11 -0400
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-04 14:25 +0100
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-05 18:56 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 04:05 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 07:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-04 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 12:32 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 14:15 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:36 +1000
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-05 20:05 +0000
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:19 -0700
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:46 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:10 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 14:58 -0400
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-08 08:48 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:45 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:04 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:51 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:30 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:24 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:57 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:57 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 06:18 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <d2f9drF5vv9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21695 |
"PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote in message news:mptma8$feh$1@dont-email.me... > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message > news:448fcd2fbde463f54a667ea9a3b0f02b@dizum.com... >>> Am 04.08.2015 um 15:59 schrieb Savageduck: >>> >>> > ...and which State do you live in that photo ID is required at a >>> > polling place? >>> >>> In the US you're not required to prove that you're the one your >>> claiming to be at a polling place? Sounds strange to me... >> >> It varies from one region to the next. Republican voters are die-hard >> voters. So if a voting booth is in a republican stronghold, the >> standard of identity proof is much higher. Republicans are largely >> disciplined on this while democrats are not. So increasing >> restrictions and voting difficulty always reduces number of democratic >> votes. Democrats have less wealth as a whole, and naturally a >> disproportionate higher number of democrats don't have passports or >> driver licenses. >> >> It's a republican political strategy, similar to large billboards >> during campaign times saying "voting fraud is a crime.. will be >> strictly enforced!" Of course everyone knows that, but the strategy >> is actually to frighten legit voters into not taking any risk (like >> those who may not have a driver license or passport, or those who >> recently moved into the area, who might be uncertain whether they were >> automatically deregistered from the previous area, etc). > > Can you cite anything that proves your claim that Democrats have less > wealth than Republicans? Yes, the poorest voters do tend to vote Dem. > Two of the largest blue states are California and New York. There is far > more democratic wealth in those states than Republican. That last is very arguable. And what matters is who the poorest tend to vote for. > Where do you get your information that polling places in Republican > strongholds require a higher standard of proof of identity? The standard > of identity is the same across an entire state, it does not differ from > one area of a state to another. In New York, we walk into or polling > place, say who we are, then the poll worker looks up our name on the list > and we sign our name. If I know the name and address of someone else, I > can easily claim to be that person and vote fraudulently. > Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no > interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. Even sillier than you usually manage. > How does requiring voter ID scare off voters? Not scare off so much as makes it harder to vote for those who don't have a photo ID. When so many of those tend to not bother to vote at all, that requirement will obviously see even more not bother when they have to fart around getting a photo ID so they can vote. > How difficult is it to obtain an ID? You don't need a driver's license, > you can get a state issued ID card. But if you don't already have one, because you are too poor to be able to afford to have a car etc, why would you bother if you don't care enough about politics to bother to vote ? Makes it a lot harder for those who actively encourage those who wouldn't bother to vote to get off their arses on the day and actually vote because someone has chosen to pick you up from home and take you to where you vote and bring you home when some of those wont have photo ID and can't get it on the day. > This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and that the > purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. Bullshit.
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| From | BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 15:27 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <6bs4sadht3lnc0cdepaaul61m51tr5h5dj@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21701 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 06:18:53 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> It's a republican political strategy, similar to large billboards >>> during campaign times saying "voting fraud is a crime.. will be >>> strictly enforced!" Of course everyone knows that, but the strategy >>> is actually to frighten legit voters into not taking any risk (like >>> those who may not have a driver license or passport, or those who >>> recently moved into the area, who might be uncertain whether they were >>> automatically deregistered from the previous area, etc). >> >> Can you cite anything that proves your claim that Democrats have less >> wealth than Republicans? > >Yes, the poorest voters do tend to vote Dem. True. Do you know why?
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 13:38 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <050820151338256415%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #21705 |
In article <6bs4sadht3lnc0cdepaaul61m51tr5h5dj@4ax.com>, BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> wrote: > >Yes, the poorest voters do tend to vote Dem. > > True. Do you know why? Because the GOP screws over the poor.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 15:25 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <d2g9fbFd2obU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21705 |
"BobbyK" <bknight@Conramp.net> wrote in message news:6bs4sadht3lnc0cdepaaul61m51tr5h5dj@4ax.com... > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 06:18:53 +1000, "Rod Speed" > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>>> It's a republican political strategy, similar to large billboards >>>> during campaign times saying "voting fraud is a crime.. will be >>>> strictly enforced!" Of course everyone knows that, but the strategy >>>> is actually to frighten legit voters into not taking any risk (like >>>> those who may not have a driver license or passport, or those who >>>> recently moved into the area, who might be uncertain whether they were >>>> automatically deregistered from the previous area, etc). >>> >>> Can you cite anything that proves your claim that Democrats have less >>> wealth than Republicans? >> >>Yes, the poorest voters do tend to vote Dem. > > True. Do you know why? Yep, they always do in every country essentially because most of them rightly or wrongly believe that those partys do tend to have more policys that favor the poor and they are mostly correct with welfare benefits alone.
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| From | BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-05 15:19 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <aer4sah3sr409sb9tfmkncodsa4e9bqak3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21695 |
On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:58:48 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: >Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable claims. >How does requiring voter ID scare off voters? How difficult is it to obtain >an ID? You don't need a driver's license, you can get a state issued ID >card. This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and >that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. I don't see it as a scare method at all. It IS difficult for some in the poorer sections of large cities to obtain and ID because of travel, work, illnesses, etc. However, I'm all for ID cards. We just need to find ways to get them to those who don't have the means.
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| From | "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 09:07 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <mpvm2o$3er$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21703 |
"BobbyK" <bknight@Conramp.net> wrote in message news:aer4sah3sr409sb9tfmkncodsa4e9bqak3@4ax.com... > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:58:48 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: > > >>Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >>interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. > > Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for > me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable > claims. The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it. >>How does requiring voter ID scare off voters? How difficult is it to >>obtain >>an ID? You don't need a driver's license, you can get a state issued >>ID >>card. This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and >>that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. > > I don't see it as a scare method at all. It IS difficult for some in > the poorer sections of large cities to obtain and ID because of > travel, work, illnesses, etc. However, I'm all for ID cards. We just > need to find ways to get them to those who don't have the means.
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| From | BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 08:38 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <9oo6sa1ncjc55njt4k95i7qu1k45lgunc0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21735 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:07:04 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: >"BobbyK" <bknight@Conramp.net> wrote in message >news:aer4sah3sr409sb9tfmkncodsa4e9bqak3@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:58:48 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: >> >> >>>Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >>>interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. >> >> Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for >> me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable >> claims. > >The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it. Bullshit redux. Name one major election that was changed because of voter fraud. > >>>How does requiring voter ID scare off voters? How difficult is it to >>>obtain >>>an ID? You don't need a driver's license, you can get a state issued >>>ID >>>card. This notion that requiring voter ID is a political strategy and >>>that the purpose is to scare off voters is pure bunk. >> >> I don't see it as a scare method at all. It IS difficult for some in >> the poorer sections of large cities to obtain and ID because of >> travel, work, illnesses, etc. However, I'm all for ID cards. We just >> need to find ways to get them to those who don't have the means.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 07:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <2015080607251994298-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #21739 |
On 2015-08-06 13:38:40 +0000, BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> said: > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:07:04 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: > >> "BobbyK" <bknight@Conramp.net> wrote in message >> news:aer4sah3sr409sb9tfmkncodsa4e9bqak3@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:58:48 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >>>> interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. >>> >>> Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for >>> me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable >>> claims. >> >> The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it. > > Bullshit redux. Name one major election that was changed because of > voter fraud. I can think of at least one national election which was decided by SCOTUS and not the voter. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 11:11 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <si17sa9lhu4i0t3p1kp6k3b2pb3r0iatri@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21744 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 07:25:19 -0700, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>On 2015-08-06 13:38:40 +0000, BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> said:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:07:04 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "BobbyK" <bknight@Conramp.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aer4sah3sr409sb9tfmkncodsa4e9bqak3@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:58:48 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no
>>>>> interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for
>>>> me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable
>>>> claims.
>>>
>>> The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it.
>>
>> Bullshit redux. Name one major election that was changed because of
>> voter fraud.
>
>I can think of at least one national election which was decided by
>SCOTUS and not the voter.
True, but that was over the recount method of the votes. There was no
accusation of voter fraud.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 07:31 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <060820150731575106%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #21735 |
In article <mpvm2o$3er$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: > >>Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no > >>interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. > > > > Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for > > me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable > > claims. > > The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it. No they don't. No one benefits from voter fraud because voter fraud is such an infinitesimal thing that it does not affect elections. <http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/> What is important, though, and what Republicans won't acknowledge, is elected officials being "bought" by big-money donors.
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| From | "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 12:02 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <mq00bt$b89$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21746 |
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message news:060820150731575106%michelle@michelle.org... > In article <mpvm2o$3er$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> > wrote: > >> >>Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have >> >>no >> >>interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. >> > >> > Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for >> > me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable >> > claims. >> >> The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it. > > No they don't. No one benefits from voter fraud because voter fraud > is > such an infinitesimal thing that it does not affect elections. > > <http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/> > > What is important, though, and what Republicans won't acknowledge, is > elected officials being "bought" by big-money donors. LOL! As if Democrats aren't bought and paid for by big money donors. Hahahaha!
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| From | BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 11:14 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) |
| Message-ID | <kp17sal7p57cl2ar143rcgabv1j6p8a3ja@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21751 |
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:02:37 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote: >"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message >news:060820150731575106%michelle@michelle.org... >> In article <mpvm2o$3er$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have >>> >>no >>> >>interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. >>> > >>> > Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for >>> > me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable >>> > claims. >>> >>> The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it. >> >> No they don't. No one benefits from voter fraud because voter fraud >> is >> such an infinitesimal thing that it does not affect elections. >> >> <http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/> >> >> What is important, though, and what Republicans won't acknowledge, is >> elected officials being "bought" by big-money donors. > >LOL! As if Democrats aren't bought and paid for by big money donors. >Hahahaha! I'm pretty sure they do, but convinced that the other side does.
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| From | The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-06 11:38 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: voting booths in republican areas |
| Message-ID | <mq09g6$fh9$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21746 |
On 08/06/2015 07:31 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <mpvm2o$3er$1@dont-email.me>, PAS <ntotrr@optonline.net> > wrote: > >> >>Democrats don't support voter ID for one simple reason - they have no >> >>interest in prohibiting voter fraud because they benefit from it. >> > >> > Bullshit. I'm a Democrat and there's no benefit in voter fraud for >> > me. Try widening your narrow mind and not throw out unsupportable >> > claims. >> >> The Democrats running for office are the ones who benefit from it. > > No they don't. No one benefits from voter fraud because voter fraud is > such an infinitesimal thing that it does not affect elections. > > <http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/> > > What is important, though, and what Republicans won't acknowledge, is > elected officials being "bought" by big-money donors. ALL the bastards are bought -- both parties. Even the new people who come in actually wanting to change the system and finding out that they can't. -- Cheers, Bev $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Polish loan sharks: they loan you money and then skip town.
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| From | Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 14:58 +0200 |
| Subject | leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) |
| Message-ID | <e084ee3e9c87e996b15a26bae2dff994@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #21765 |
> > What is important, though, and what Republicans won't acknowledge, > > is elected officials being "bought" by big-money donors. > > ALL the bastards are bought -- both parties. There is a difference. Obama turned down public money, and received copious small donations from individuals. Obama's war chest shadowed Romney's because /natural/ people contributed in large numbers to his grass-roots effort. While Obama had the people, his competitor relied much more on big-money donations from /legal/ persons (i.e. corporations). Even when you look at the top five contributors of each, it's obvious which candidate is owned by interests less-aligned with that of the people: Obama’s top 5 contributors: * University of California * Microsoft * Google * DLA Piper * Harvard University Romney’s top 5 contributors: * Goldman Sachs * JP Morgan * Morgan Stanley * Bank of America * Credit Suisse Is it better for the people to have their leader owned by big money banking, or education and technology?
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| From | "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-07 10:56 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) |
| Message-ID | <mq2grb$p5k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #21808 |
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message news:e084ee3e9c87e996b15a26bae2dff994@dizum.com... >> > What is important, though, and what Republicans won't acknowledge, >> > is elected officials being "bought" by big-money donors. >> >> ALL the bastards are bought -- both parties. > > There is a difference. Obama turned down public money, and received > copious small donations from individuals. Obama's war chest shadowed > Romney's because /natural/ people contributed in large numbers to his > grass-roots effort. While Obama had the people, his competitor relied > much more on big-money donations from /legal/ persons > (i.e. corporations). > > Even when you look at the top five contributors of each, it's obvious > which candidate is owned by interests less-aligned with that of the > people: > > Obama’s top 5 contributors: > > * University of California > * Microsoft > * Google > * DLA Piper > * Harvard University > > Romney’s top 5 contributors: > > * Goldman Sachs > * JP Morgan > * Morgan Stanley > * Bank of America > * Credit Suisse > > Is it better for the people to have their leader owned by big money > banking, or education and technology? What difference does it make. Google and Microsoft are interested in making more money. Do you really think that their agenda is any more pure than Morgan Stanley's? Obama is just as much bought and paid for as Romney, he's just beholden to different people.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-08 05:16 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) |
| Message-ID | <d2kegoFeku1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21809 |
"PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote in message news:mq2grb$p5k$1@dont-email.me... > "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message > news:e084ee3e9c87e996b15a26bae2dff994@dizum.com... >>> > What is important, though, and what Republicans won't acknowledge, >>> > is elected officials being "bought" by big-money donors. >>> >>> ALL the bastards are bought -- both parties. >> >> There is a difference. Obama turned down public money, and received >> copious small donations from individuals. Obama's war chest shadowed >> Romney's because /natural/ people contributed in large numbers to his >> grass-roots effort. While Obama had the people, his competitor relied >> much more on big-money donations from /legal/ persons >> (i.e. corporations). >> >> Even when you look at the top five contributors of each, it's obvious >> which candidate is owned by interests less-aligned with that of the >> people: >> >> Obama’s top 5 contributors: >> >> * University of California >> * Microsoft >> * Google >> * DLA Piper >> * Harvard University >> >> Romney’s top 5 contributors: >> >> * Goldman Sachs >> * JP Morgan >> * Morgan Stanley >> * Bank of America >> * Credit Suisse >> >> Is it better for the people to have their leader owned by big money >> banking, or education and technology? > > What difference does it make. Google and Microsoft are interested in > making more money. Not by their donations to Obama's campaign they aren't. > Do you really think that their agenda is any more pure than Morgan > Stanley's? We know it is. > Obama is just as much bought and paid for as Romney, he's just beholden to > different people. Have fun listing any of Obama's policy that helped Microsoft or Google or U Cal to make more money.
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| From | Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-25 22:45 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? |
| Message-ID | <64b59c77d8eab5ad4dd8eb83d5f8ab7b@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> |
| In reply to | #21809 |
> > Is it better for the people to have their leader owned by big > > money banking, or education and technology? > > What difference does it make. The difference is in what the industries lobby for. Educational institutions lobby for more spending on education (e.g. grants and scholarships), which is relatively *aligned* with the needs of the people. The civilized world prefers their young to be well educated. The commercial banking industry opposes regulation, and lobbies *against* consumer protections. This directly counters the interests of the people by feeding a (demonstrably) reckless monster. The difference of who owns your leader is night and day. Obama was an unlikely no-name who came out of nowhere and broad-sided his competitors, without having a long history of donation baggage. His donors were largely *people*. This is part of what made him a stronger candidate than Hillary, for example. The Clintons have always had a focus on healthcare (a good thing in itself), but consequently received huge donations from health providers going years back. Obama therefore had more freedom than Hillary to actually do something on the health issue. Hence Obamacare. > Obama is just as much bought and paid for as Romney No, Obama is much less "bought and paid for" than Romney, despite his larger warchest, since individuals who contribute have absolutely no influence on policy. The companies who contributed are in few numbers and also not directly opposing forces to the will of the people anyway (unlike big banks). Sure you can nit-pick MS and Google (because they are CISPA sponsors), but the comparison isn't even close to the alternative. > he's just beholden to different people. "Just?" This is what makes all the difference here.
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| From | "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-26 09:24 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? |
| Message-ID | <mrkeim$rqv$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #22168 |
"Fritz Wuehler" <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> wrote in message news:64b59c77d8eab5ad4dd8eb83d5f8ab7b@msgid.frell.theremailer.net... >> > Is it better for the people to have their leader owned by big >> > money banking, or education and technology? >> >> What difference does it make. > > The difference is in what the industries lobby for. Educational > institutions lobby for more spending on education (e.g. grants and > scholarships), which is relatively *aligned* with the needs of the > people. The civilized world prefers their young to be well educated. "Education" is just another business. They lobby for more spending because it fills their coffers. They are self-serving just as any other business is. > The commercial banking industry opposes regulation, and lobbies > *against* consumer protections. This directly counters the interests > of the people by feeding a (demonstrably) reckless monster. > > The difference of who owns your leader is night and day. > > Obama was an unlikely no-name who came out of nowhere and broad-sided > his competitors, without having a long history of donation baggage. > His donors were largely *people*. This is part of what made him a > stronger candidate than Hillary, for example. The Clintons have > always had a focus on healthcare (a good thing in itself), but > consequently received huge donations from health providers going years > back. Obama therefore had more freedom than Hillary to actually do > something on the health issue. Hence Obamacare. > >> Obama is just as much bought and paid for as Romney > > No, Obama is much less "bought and paid for" than Romney, despite his > larger warchest, since individuals who contribute have absolutely no > influence on policy. The companies who contributed are in few numbers > and also not directly opposing forces to the will of the people anyway > (unlike big banks). Obama received donations from big banks. He received donations from other businesses. Do you really think dumping money into donor's pockets under the guise of "investments in green energy" (which were dismal failures) was really "the will of the people"? The Democrats are as self-serving as you claim Republicans are. The "will of the people" spoke in the last election. The Democrats were removed from power so that the Republicans could stop the damaging policies Obama is pushing for. The problem is that most of the Republicans in power are no more in line with the wil of the people than the Democrats are. > Sure you can nit-pick MS and Google (because they are CISPA sponsors), > but the comparison isn't even close to the alternative. > >> he's just beholden to different people. > > "Just?" This is what makes all the difference here. Some difference it made. Record unemployment numbers, record deficits...
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| From | Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-27 13:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? |
| Message-ID | <80e2faf736e31a682b1128d681f46009@remailer.paranoici.org> |
| In reply to | #22176 |
> > The difference is in what the industries lobby for. Educational > > institutions lobby for more spending on education (e.g. grants and > > scholarships), which is relatively *aligned* with the needs of the > > people. The civilized world prefers their young to be well > > educated. > > "Education" is just another business. They lobby for more spending > because it fills their coffers. They are self-serving just as any > other business is. Of course education is a self-serving business. This only supports my point. A self-serving bank lobbies *against* consumer protection regulation (therefore opposing the interest of the people). OTOH, a self-serving educational facility *serves* the people (education interests are aligned with the people). When a bible-driven Bush blocked funding for stem-cell research, education suffered, not to mention the general detriment to education whenever you have republican governance. Not to mention the business impact of giving China an advantage in future medicine (where stem-cell research is embraced). > > No, Obama is much less "bought and paid for" than Romney, despite > > his larger warchest, since individuals who contribute have > > absolutely no influence on policy. The companies who contributed > > are in few numbers and also not directly opposing forces to the > > will of the people anyway (unlike big banks). > > Obama received donations from big banks. You shoot yourself in the foot to bring up 2012, where it was Obama's 2nd term vs. Mccains 1st term. Donations for a 2nd term war chest obviously have insignficant leverage compared to donations for a 1st term candidate (McCain would need reelection in 2016, not Obama). So McCain was much more owned regardless of where the money is sourced. But if you look at where the money was sourced anyway, McCains banking support still shadowed Obama's in 2012: https://viviangrant.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/top-campaign-contributors-mccain-and-obama/ Your 1st-term candidate also had more of the top donors: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/top-donors-2012-election-romney-obama-gingrich > Do you really think dumping money into donor's pockets under the > guise of "investments in green energy" (which were dismal failures) > was really "the will of the people"? It's clear you're getting your news from Fox. If we can pretend hypothetically there's a bit of truth to that story without laughing for a moment, certainly some of the green energy funding went to donors, and of those some of them went bust. When an R&D-heavy company goes bust, the research isn't lost. It's very naive (and neocon-ish) to think that the company has more value to society than the research it contributes. Moreover, green energy and democratic principles are aligned. That alignment is further strengthened by republicans reluctance to give up their selfish oil-hogs (SUVs, minivans, etc). You can expect green energy companies to support opponents of republicans in general, and you can expect democrats to embrace green energy even in the absence of green energy donors. So you've made a poor example of money buying influence. > >> he's just beholden to different people. > > > > "Just?" This is what makes all the difference here. > > Some difference it made. Record unemployment numbers, Actually the record unemployment (a staggering 10.0) peaked shortly after Bush handed over the keys to the whitehouse (2009, when Bush's policy was still impacting). Since then Obama has steadily shrunk unemployment back down to 5.3. > record deficits... Ah, so you've not accepted the idea that austerity should be applied when times are *good* - as opposed to when the economy is struggling. The deficit *should* grow in the years 2008-2016. What was stupidly reckless was growing the deficit in the years 2000-2008, prior to the disaster.
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| From | TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> |
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| Date | 2015-08-27 10:20 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? |
| Message-ID | <mrn683$203$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #22199 |
On 08/27/2015 09:47 AM, Anonymous wrote: > > A self-serving bank lobbies *against* consumer protection regulation > (therefore opposing the interest of the people). OTOH, a self-serving > educational facility *serves* the people (education interests are > aligned with the people). > All generalizations are false, including this one. Flatly stating that ALL banks oppose the interests of the people is wrong, as is stating that ALL education interests align with the people. In fact, flatly stating that "the people" can in any way be ALL "aligned" when it comes to politics is even farther from the truth. TJ
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