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| Started by | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| First post | 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000 |
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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:23 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:56 +1000
anonymous sims in EU (was: Who pays for a phone..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-07-23 20:21 +0200
Re: anonymous sims in EU tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-03 20:04 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 10:27 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-22 17:00 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-22 13:26 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:00 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 14:22 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-22 10:07 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:06 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-07-22 13:13 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 09:08 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 11:22 +0800
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-24 14:36 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:12 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:34 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:58 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 17:51 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 09:57 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-24 14:32 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Wolfgang Barth <barthwo@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-24 15:38 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-24 09:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:22 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:17 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-07-25 11:18 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:47 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:46 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 03:50 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 06:59 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-04 16:21 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 08:52 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:30 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-04 19:33 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-06 09:39 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:17 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:41 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-04 17:25 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:26 +1000
voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-05 20:08 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 14:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-05 15:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 12:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-05 16:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:24 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-10-21 19:45 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 09:17 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-10-24 17:49 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 13:40 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-24 19:03 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-25 09:52 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 22:28 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-10-25 08:17 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-10-25 18:50 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-25 18:00 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 10:16 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-26 07:24 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:13 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 07:09 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:03 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 18:33 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-26 08:07 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-10-25 14:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-10-25 17:10 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-10-26 10:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:09 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-26 07:27 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <slocombjbEDIT@gmail.xyz> - 2015-10-27 07:11 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 20:09 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Walter Briscoe <wbriscoe@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2015-10-26 21:24 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 23:18 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:41 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:53 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 23:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 16:35 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 09:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 06:02 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:09 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 14:04 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> - 2015-08-09 00:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 12:42 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-10 00:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-09 17:50 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:19 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-09 23:10 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 08:43 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:40 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-11 00:21 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:57 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-11 09:57 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:20 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-12 11:21 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 19:50 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-12 16:21 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:08 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 09:58 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 17:04 +0200
security concept "rule of least priviledge" (was: voting booths in repu areas) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-17 16:42 -0400
Re: security concept "rule of least priviledge" (was: voting booths in repu areas) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 10:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 06:26 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 09:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 17:14 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 11:42 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 18:47 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-13 14:22 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 07:00 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-14 11:34 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 06:53 +0700
what's entrapment (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 14:13 +0000
Re: what's entrapment (was: voting booths in republican areas) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:20 +0700
Re: what's entrapment Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-18 22:06 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 06:43 +0700
prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 13:42 +0000
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:08 +0700
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt (was: voting booths in republican areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-16 17:14 +0200
Re: prosecutors do not care about guilt Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-17 22:57 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-12 13:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-12 18:31 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-12 22:44 -0400
why disclose personal info (was: voting booths in republican areas) Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-15 13:20 +0000
Re: why disclose personal info David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-15 15:12 +0100
Re: why disclose personal info Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-15 15:08 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:23 -0700
accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-15 09:50 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-08-15 16:36 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:55 -0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-15 14:44 -0500
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 19:34 -0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 09:54 +0700
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-18 11:02 +1000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-22 12:55 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:08 +0200
security vs. manners (was: accommodating unreasonable searches..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-24 00:48 +0200
Re: security vs. manners Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-24 14:18 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 19:59 -0700
Re: security vs. manners Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-25 13:40 +0200
Re: security vs. manners Travis Bickle <3S96@taxi.net> - 2015-08-25 12:31 -0400
Re: security vs. manners lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-08-25 16:38 +0000
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:29 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 10:19 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 11:45 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 13:53 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 14:39 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 16:56 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 16:08 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 17:33 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 17:32 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 19:51 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 18:59 -0500
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-27 08:42 -0400
Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-27 09:24 -0500
Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 22:52 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:57 -0700
Re: security vs. manners Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 15:36 +0100
Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-25 21:04 -0400
Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 03:25 -0400
Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:26 -0400
Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 12:18 -0700
Re: security vs. manners (was: accommodating unreasonable searches..) TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-25 08:36 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-16 23:19 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-17 18:08 +0100
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-17 17:22 -0400
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-17 23:15 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-18 17:11 +0100
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-18 23:03 +0000
Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 13:53 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:49 +0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 17:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 19:51 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:56 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 20:51 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 21:48 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:29 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 15:40 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-07 00:08 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 21:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:04 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:58 +1000
do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-08 14:03 +0200
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Elias <elias@nowherenohow.com> - 2015-08-08 10:02 -0500
Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 21:28 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:23 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-08-06 07:00 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:59 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 15:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 18:50 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:12 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:40 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:26 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:24 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:22 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:35 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-06 14:36 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:18 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:31 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:04 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:44 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:58 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:12 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:36 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-10 20:05 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:18 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:27 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:38 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 15:25 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:19 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:38 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:25 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:11 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:14 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:38 -0700
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-07 14:58 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-07 10:56 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 05:16 +1000
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-25 22:45 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:24 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-27 13:47 +0000
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-27 10:20 -0400
q) campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? a) education Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0000
comp.mobile.android "The Sorceress of Qar" <sorceress@qar.qanar.com> - 2015-08-27 09:23 -0500
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-27 13:01 -0400
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201509.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-09-06 00:12 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-08 16:21 -0700
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-22 23:11 +0200
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 20:54 -0700
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-22 23:40 -0500
Bev's reverse logic (was: leader's campaigns..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-09-03 09:22 +0200
Re: Bev's reverse logic David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0100
Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-23 08:49 -0400
small campaign donations (was: leader's campaigns..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-31 16:06 -0400
leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot booths..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-12 04:08 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-05 18:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 16:02 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2015-08-06 18:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-07 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-10 08:51 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-10 22:28 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 08:53 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 01:06 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 10:25 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 17:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-12 09:54 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 19:00 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:39 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-06 16:14 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 09:07 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 09:49 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 11:46 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 12:38 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 18:51 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 08:31 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 12:56 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 11:57 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:04 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 12:22 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:36 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 06:09 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 13:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:03 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 12:39 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 20:09 +0000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:27 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 14:58 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 16:10 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 08:32 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:14 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 08:33 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-24 09:37 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 15:27 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:13 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 16:34 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:46 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 12:40 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 10:14 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 22:35 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:02 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 00:03 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:01 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:08 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 09:34 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 23:57 +0200
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:05 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 09:28 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:14 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 09:09 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 07:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:56 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:52 +1000
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:15 -0700
Re: voting booths in republican areas David Solimano <david@solimano.org> - 2015-08-06 22:52 -0400
Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:59 -0500
Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 20:26 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:03 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 05:34 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:04 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Dieghettino <d@casa.mia> - 2015-07-26 06:41 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 08:45 +1000
non-EU travellers must carry passports (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-01 20:26 +0200
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-01 21:33 +0100
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-03 23:11 -0400
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-04 14:25 +0100
Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-05 18:56 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 04:05 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 07:03 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:11 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-04 11:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:19 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 12:32 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 14:15 -0700
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:36 +1000
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-05 20:05 +0000
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:19 -0700
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:46 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:10 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0400
Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 14:58 -0400
id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints? *no* Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-08 08:48 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:45 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:04 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:51 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:30 +0200
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:24 +1000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:57 +0000
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:57 -0400
Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 10:06 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? |
| Message-ID | <monitq$eeg$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
Am 21.07.2015 um 17:29 schrieb M.L.: > On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:25:07 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > >> Not quite (AFAIK): It will affect everybody with a SIM card issued from >> a provider residing in an EU country. That person doesn't need to be an >> EU citizen... ;-) > > The one oddity I found when traveling in Europe is that they *required* > my passport when I bought a local SIM card (I think I was in Germany when > that happened). Basically, that's true and the law here in Germany (most probably similar, though not always enforced with the same strictness) all over the EU. Reason is the possibility to identify the SIM card owner in case something illegal is found to have been pursued using this card. > Here in the USA, I have gone down to T-Mobile and told them I wanted a > burner card and they were happy to give me an arbitrary name (I think > they made it "ZZ ZZ" IIRC because they needed two characters). Will not work that easily. But if you go e.g. to your local ALDI store (the biggest chain of cheap food discounters in Germany) and ask for a SIM card there, they won't ask any questions at the cashier. As you'll have to activate the card later on, they might ask for some identification then (online or via telephone), and I'm not sure how strict their checks are there... ;-) > If you pay cash, you only have to worry about the store cameras > identifying you! :) > > Is my experience normal in that, in Europe, both the Hotels and Phone > companies required my passport (never in the USA have I been required to > have a passport). Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. For SIM cards it should be standard being asked for positive identification (and for people from the US this would mean passport as you don't have an ID card, driver's license is usually not accepted over here for 'serious' identification). Best regards, Michael
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| From | "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 10:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <8fdb0$55afa74d$43da7656$2630@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #21118 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > Basically, that's true and the law here in Germany (most probably > similar, though not always enforced with the same strictness) all over > the EU. Reason is the possibility to identify the SIM card owner in case > something illegal is found to have been pursued using this card. I understand that criminal-mind rationale, but, what you give up in security you lose in freedom, and, as Ben Franklin aptly said, if you do, you deserve neither. what's so special about a phone that criminal activity should so ovbiously encroach upon your privacy in Europe? I can buy a radio here in the USA, say, a Ubiquiti Rocket M2, and broadcast all I want on WiFi frequencies, and I don't need to supply an ID. I can buy a phone, and I don't need to supply an ID. I can buy a baseball bat, and I don't need to supply an ID. I can buy a hundred pounds of fertilizer, and I don't need to supply an ID. I'm sure I can buy potassium cyanide, and I won't need to supply an ID. All these can be used for criminal activities, so, what's so special about a phone in Europe that it *requires* an ID (whereas, in the USA, it does not require *any* identification (except a few George Washington's).
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 08:56 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1alnsFtpvlU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21126 |
M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote > Michael Eyd wrote >> Basically, that's true and the law here in Germany (most probably >> similar, though not always enforced with the same strictness) all over >> the EU. Reason is the possibility to identify the SIM card owner in case >> something illegal is found to have been pursued using this card. > I understand that criminal-mind rationale, but, what you give up in > security you lose in freedom, and, as Ben Franklin aptly said, if you do, > you deserve neither. That last has always been remarkably silly, most obviously in wartime. > what's so special about a phone that criminal activity should > so ovbiously encroach upon your privacy in Europe? Its what criminals use to communicate. > I can buy a radio here in the USA, say, a Ubiquiti Rocket M2, > and broadcast all I want on WiFi frequencies, and I don't > need to supply an ID. > I can buy a phone, and I don't need to supply an ID. I can buy a > baseball bat, and I don't need to supply an ID. I can buy a hundred > pounds of fertilizer, and I don't need to supply an ID. I'm sure I can > buy potassium cyanide, and I won't need to supply an ID. And if you buy a gun from a gun store you do. > All these can be used for criminal activities, so, what's so > special about a phone in Europe that it *requires* an ID Its what criminals use to communicate. > (whereas, in the USA, it does not require *any* > identification (except a few George Washington's). But the drivers license does.
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| From | Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 20:21 +0200 |
| Subject | anonymous sims in EU (was: Who pays for a phone..) |
| Message-ID | <2b80ce7df27c2969f926b6b37e9afc39@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #21126 |
> All these can be used for criminal activities, so, what's so special > about a phone in Europe that it *requires* an ID (whereas, in the > USA, it does not require *any* identification (except a few George > Washington's). Europe cannot be grouped on this. Spain wants ID, because mobile phones were used as detonators. But Spain over-reacted. In Belgium all phones are unlocked (by law), and they can be bought with cash. The sim chips can also be bought with cash. Registering comes with a credit incentive, but it's not mandatory to register the sim.
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-03 20:04 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: anonymous sims in EU |
| Message-ID | <1iov0dwijn5jf.8ypzc74c8l2v.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #21245 |
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:21:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote: >> All these can be used for criminal activities, so, what's so special >> about a phone in Europe that it *requires* an ID ... > > Europe cannot be grouped on this. Spain wants ID ... > ... > In Belgium all phones are unlocked (by law), and they can be bought > with cash. The sim chips can also be bought with cash. Registering > ... [is] not mandatory ... The only two PaYGo SIMs I've ever bought in Iceland I bought at a gas station for cash, no ID or registering involved whatsoever. Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-04 03:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <uqwbsligyfg7.n7k81855cbq4$.dlg@40tude.net> |
| In reply to | #21126 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:23:09 -0400, M.L. asked: > ... what's so special > about a phone in Europe that it *requires* an ID ... It's all quite variable. In Italy, for example, a PaYGo SIM from TIM has different pricing and gives different amounts of air-time and data depending on whether you're an Italian resident or a furriner -- it takes your ID (fiscal card for Italians, passport for furriners) to settle that. In Iceland, on the other hand, anyone can buy PaYGo SIMs from both NOVA and Siminn at the Icelandic equivalent of a 7-11 for cash, no ID needed. I did. Probably from Vodaphone likewise. No ID needed for PaYGo SIMs from Orange in Poland, either; though from Orange in France, yes, passport was needed. HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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| From | "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 10:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <c55fc$55afa86a$43da7656$2630@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #21118 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in > Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! I was shocked. It was their *rule*. Never in the USA would that happen. It was only after 911 that we lost the freedoms that were so dear to the founding fathers, and, so, as one of the many losses of our privacy, we now have to show ID at a hotel (of all things). What does a hotel have to do with terrorism? I don't know. I guess as much as a cell phone and a baseball bat and pressure cookers have to do with terrorism. At least, to date anyway, we still have the freedom to buy cooking pots and baseball bats without losing our privacy in the USA (but they'll get there, as Ben Franklin said, we no longer deserve either our security or our freedom, since we allow it to be compromised so easily by unwarranted fear). < OK OK ... I'll get off the soapbox now... > > For SIM cards it should be standard being asked for positive > identification (and for people from the US this would mean passport as > you don't have an ID card, driver's license is usually not accepted over > here for 'serious' identification). Yeah. I remember I was shocked that, in Germany, they asked for my passport (which was in the hotel). So I had to go back to get it. In Italy, you'd have to *check out* of the hotel, pay the hotel bill, go to the phone store, show the passport, then back at the hotel you'd have to check back in. In many ways, I'm glad I don't *live* in Europe, which is more of a police state than here in the USA (which is getting there - we're just way behind you folks across the pond).
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 17:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <moob6h$7rn$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #21127 |
Am 22.07.2015 um 16:27 schrieb M.L.: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > >> Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in >> Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. > > I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! > I was shocked. It was their *rule*. > > Never in the USA would that happen. It was only after 911 that we lost > the freedoms that were so dear to the founding fathers, and, so, as one > of the many losses of our privacy, we now have to show ID at a hotel (of > all things). > > What does a hotel have to do with terrorism? I don't know. I guess as > much as a cell phone and a baseball bat and pressure cookers have to do > with terrorism. > > At least, to date anyway, we still have the freedom to buy cooking pots > and baseball bats without losing our privacy in the USA (but they'll get > there, as Ben Franklin said, we no longer deserve either our security or > our freedom, since we allow it to be compromised so easily by unwarranted > fear). > > < OK OK ... I'll get off the soapbox now... > > >> For SIM cards it should be standard being asked for positive >> identification (and for people from the US this would mean passport as >> you don't have an ID card, driver's license is usually not accepted over >> here for 'serious' identification). > > Yeah. I remember I was shocked that, in Germany, they asked for my > passport (which was in the hotel). So I had to go back to get it. In > Italy, you'd have to *check out* of the hotel, pay the hotel bill, go to > the phone store, show the passport, then back at the hotel you'd have to > check back in. > > In many ways, I'm glad I don't *live* in Europe, which is more of a > police state than here in the USA (which is getting there - we're just > way behind you folks across the pond). Depends definitively a lot of how you're looking at it. Actually I feel more free here in Germany than I would envision to feel living in the US... ;-) We do have our issues, but at least I can be pretty sure that nobody will try to shoot me just because we got into an argument, or because I was at the wrong time at the wrong school, or ... Safety and security are definitively not absolute values, but they are based on expectations from people - and those expectations vary with experiences one has made, with values people were brought up with, yes even with laws under which one lives... I wouldn't like to live in a state where virtually everybody is allowed to carry concealed (or even openly) weapons, but I can see that others see that differently. Which state is more secure? No, I certainly won't go for that debate... ;-) Best regards, Michael
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| From | "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 13:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <9b6cc$55afd232$adb2d18a$4488@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #21138 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:00:33 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > Depends definitively a lot of how you're looking at it. Actually I feel > more free here in Germany than I would envision to feel living in the > US... ;-) I have been to Germany only a half dozen times, so, I don't know a lot, but, I do know your driving and drinking habits are certainly more free than our puritanical ones are. Also, your concept of the morality of the human body and its sexual uses are also much more free than ours, which are locked into the mores of the medieval ages. However, I think your rights to free speech are vastly curbed, when compared to ours. For example, someone told me that it's illegal in Germany to deny the holocaust or to display a Nazi flag, so, if that is true - I would find that curbing, of what I'd consider a first amendment right, to be disturbing (not that I'd do either; but that's the whole point - I'm free here in the USA to make a fool out of myself, whereas you're apparently not allowed to do the same in Germany). While I don't own a gun due to the fact I have kids, I firmly endorse the right of others to own as many as they want to own. If you dig into the reason d'etre for guns in the home, it's clear our founding fathers wanted the people to be able to protect themselves from the tyranny of the government, by having the *same* (essentially) personal weaponry as did the government. There's probably no people on earth more tuned to the harm that the tyranny of the government can accomplish than Germans, so, I find it surprising that they don't understand that the threat of the government taking away our rights is the reason we have those rights spelled out in the BOA to the Constitution in the first place. That's freedom. And freedom never meant security nor safety. I firmly believe in the adage that to give up freedom for security means that you deserve neither. > We do have our issues, but at least I can be pretty sure that > nobody will try to shoot me just because we got into an argument, or > because I was at the wrong time at the wrong school, or ... More people die of sports injuries in the United States than by guns; tens of thousands die of car accidents; another few tens of thousands die of the flue. I think even more people are injured by *shopping carts* in the USA every year than by guns (I'd have to check that one though). Guns get the publicity; but gun-related deaths & injuries in the USA are infinitesimal compared to accidental deaths & injuries overall. Besides, if you took away guns, do you really think the number of criminal deaths would deviate by even a hundreth of a percentage point? There are *plenty* of ways to harm a human being. Banning guns isn't gonna stop deaths by force any more than banning baseball bats would. > Safety and security are definitively not absolute values, but they are > based on expectations from people - and those expectations vary with > experiences one has made, with values people were brought up with, yes > even with laws under which one lives... I wouldn't like to live in a > state where virtually everybody is allowed to carry concealed (or even > openly) weapons, but I can see that others see that differently. Which > state is more secure? No, I certainly won't go for that debate... ;-) You bring up a rational view, which is that by banning guns, the deaths by guns would go down to zero. I can't disagree. However, would deaths go down? More importantly, would the danger of the government go up?
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 10:00 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1ap4tF1d8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21149 |
"M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
news:9b6cc$55afd232$adb2d18a$4488@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com...
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:00:33 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:
>
>> Depends definitively a lot of how you're looking at it. Actually I feel
>> more free here in Germany than I would envision to feel living in the
>> US... ;-)
>
> I have been to Germany only a half dozen times, so, I don't know a lot,
> but, I do know your driving and drinking habits are certainly more free
> than our puritanical ones are. Also, your concept of the morality of the
> human body and its sexual uses are also much more free than ours, which
> are locked into the mores of the medieval ages.
> However, I think your rights to free speech are vastly curbed, when
> compared to ours.
I don’t agree about the vastly, certainly more curbed tho.
> For example, someone told me that it's
> illegal in Germany to deny the holocaust
Yes.
> or to display a Nazi flag,
That isn't speech.
> so, if that is true - I would find that curbing,
Yes, but not vastly.
> of what I'd consider a first amendment right,
They don’t have anything like that.
> to be disturbing
More silly IMO.
> (not that I'd do either; but that's the whole point - I'm free
> here in the USA to make a fool out of myself, whereas you're
> apparently not allowed to do the same in Germany).
You are in most other areas.
> While I don't own a gun due to the fact I have kids, I firmly
> endorse the right of others to own as many as they want to own.
I don’t with the worst of the criminals and loonys.
> If you dig into the reason d'etre for guns in the home, it's
> clear our founding fathers wanted the people to be able
> to protect themselves from the tyranny of the government,
But only as far as militias are concerned.
> by having the *same* (essentially) personal
> weaponry as did the government.
And the reality is nothing like that today. You aren't even allowed
to have the worst of what the govt has in the US today.
> There's probably no people on earth more tuned to the harm that
> the tyranny of the government can accomplish than Germans, so,
> I find it surprising that they don't understand that the threat of the
> government taking away our rights is the reason we have those
> rights spelled out in the BOA to the Constitution in the first place.
The 'right' to say the holocaust never happened is nothing like that.
> That's freedom.
No it is not.
> And freedom never meant security nor safety.
> I firmly believe in the adage that to give up freedom
> for security means that you deserve neither.
I don’t, that was always a remarkably silly claim.
>> We do have our issues, but at least I can be pretty sure that nobody
>> will try to shoot me just because we got into an argument, or
>> because I was at the wrong time at the wrong school, or ...
> More people die of sports injuries in the United States than by guns;
Irrelevant to where it makes any sense to allow anyone
who want to to have a gun on their person or in their car.
> tens of thousands die of car accidents; another
> few tens of thousands die of the flue.
Is that from bad heaters ? {-(
Far more die natural causes too and that is just as irrelevant.
> I think even more people are injured by *shopping carts* in the
> USA every year than by guns (I'd have to check that one though).
I doubt it.
> Guns get the publicity; but gun-related deaths & injuries in the USA
> are infinitesimal compared to accidental deaths & injuries overall.
But the murder rate is much higher in the US in the worst of the urban
ghettos.
> Besides, if you took away guns, do you really think the number of
> criminal deaths would deviate by even a hundreth of a percentage point?
It would avoid the worst of the spree killings and many of the gang deaths.
> There are *plenty* of ways to harm a human being. Banning guns isn't
> gonna stop deaths by force any more than banning baseball bats would.
When Australia introduced severe restrictions on gun
ownership, we didn’t see any more killing sprees with guns.
>> Safety and security are definitively not absolute values, but they are
>> based on expectations from people - and those expectations vary with
>> experiences one has made, with values people were brought up with, yes
>> even with laws under which one lives... I wouldn't like to live in a
>> state where virtually everybody is allowed to carry concealed (or even
>> openly) weapons, but I can see that others see that differently. Which
>> state is more secure? No, I certainly won't go for that debate... ;-)
> You bring up a rational view, which is that by banning guns,
> the deaths by guns would go down to zero. I can't disagree.
> However, would deaths go down?
Some types of gun crime like killing sprees did in Australia.
> More importantly, would the danger of the government go up?
It didn’t in Australia.
The govt still managed stuff like Waco and what happened with
the Black Panthers, Simbionese Liberation Army, etc etc etc even
with all those guns out there in the US. We've never seen anything
like that here in Australia.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 14:22 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1b8glF37juU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21198 |
Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote >> M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote >>> You bring up a rational view, which is that by banning guns, >>> the deaths by guns would go down to zero. I can't disagree. >>> However, would deaths go down? >> Some types of gun crime like killing sprees did in Australia. >>> More importantly, would the danger of the government go up? >> It didn’t in Australia. > ...and what exactly was the "National Firearms Program Implementation Act > 1996" other than government action? Taint DANGER OF THE GOVT, just a policy change like you lot got after 9/11 and in wartime etc. >> The govt still managed stuff like Waco and what happened with the Black >> Panthers, Simbionese Liberation Army, etc etc etc even with all those >> guns out there in the US. We've never seen anything like that here in >> Australia. > Except for that little massacre in Tasmania in 1996 which left 35 dead at > the hands of one man, That wasn’t BY THE GOVERNMENT. > and was also the event which resulted in the currrent draconian Australian > gun control laws. > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)> And there hasn’t been another anything like that since we changed the gun laws, like I said. It hasn’t had any effect on non spree murder by gun tho.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@(REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 10:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2015072210071896531-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #21127 |
On 2015-07-22 14:27:54 +0000, "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> said: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > >> Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in >> Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. > > I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! > I was shocked. It was their *rule*. I guess those Italian innkeepers are worried about skippers. I wouldn't know why, as they usually take a credit card swipe at check-in. Reservations are also usually secured and guaranteed with a credit card. > Never in the USA would that happen. It was only after 911 that we lost > the freedoms that were so dear to the founding fathers, and, so, as one > of the many losses of our privacy, we now have to show ID at a hotel (of > all things). > > What does a hotel have to do with terrorism? I don't know. I guess as > much as a cell phone and a baseball bat and pressure cookers have to do > with terrorism. > > At least, to date anyway, we still have the freedom to buy cooking pots > and baseball bats without losing our privacy in the USA (but they'll get > there, as Ben Franklin said, we no longer deserve either our security or > our freedom, since we allow it to be compromised so easily by unwarranted > fear). > > < OK OK ... I'll get off the soapbox now... > > >> For SIM cards it should be standard being asked for positive >> identification (and for people from the US this would mean passport as >> you don't have an ID card, driver's license is usually not accepted over >> here for 'serious' identification). > > Yeah. I remember I was shocked that, in Germany, they asked for my > passport (which was in the hotel). So I had to go back to get it. In > Italy, you'd have to *check out* of the hotel, pay the hotel bill, go to > the phone store, show the passport, then back at the hotel you'd have to > check back in. Silly isn't it. It doesn't make sense to surrender a passport to anybody, least of all a hotel. I don't recall having to surrender my passport in Switzerland, Netherlands, or UK. > In many ways, I'm glad I don't *live* in Europe, which is more of a > police state than here in the USA (which is getting there - we're just > way behind you folks across the pond). Regardless of reality there is a greater impression that "Big Brother" has an eye on you in some European and UK cities than in the USA. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 20:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d1abdaFr8ffU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21127 |
M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > > > Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in > > Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. > > I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! > I was shocked. It was their *rule*. No, it wasn't, at least not officially (i.e. documented) and it was illegal. You could report them. Oh wait, it was in *Italy*, wasn't it!? Never mind, ignore my response. :-) Anyway, next time you could prevent this by having a shave and a wash first! :-) [...]
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| From | DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-22 13:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <l7uvqap9c8hq8nth3qums8nf0qicgi5td2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21166 |
In the last episode of <d1abdaFr8ffU1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> said: >M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: >> >> > Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in >> > Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. >> >> I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! >> I was shocked. It was their *rule*. > > No, it wasn't, at least not officially (i.e. documented) and it was >illegal. You could report them. Oh wait, it was in *Italy*, wasn't it!? Personally, I never travel in a foreign country without my passport on my person (pocket usually, sometimes in my bag), and I absolutely will not surrender it to a hotel for any purpose. I would also have no problem calling the police if anyone other than a border officer or police officer is withholding my passport for any reason. -- Ask Cialis if your doctor is right for you.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-23 09:08 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1am3sFtsi8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21127 |
M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote > Michael Eyd wrote >> Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in >> Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. > I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! > I was shocked. It was their *rule*. That's not that uncommon in europe, they have to report who is staying there to the cops in some jurisdictions. > Never in the USA would that happen. It was only after 911 that > we lost the freedoms that were so dear to the founding fathers, That's not correct, most obviously in wartime. > and, so, as one of the many losses of our privacy, > we now have to show ID at a hotel (of all things). > What does a hotel have to do with terrorism? It allows the authoritys to keep track of where people are. > I don't know. I guess as much as a cell phone and a baseball > bat and pressure cookers have to do with terrorism. > At least, to date anyway, we still have the freedom to buy cooking > pots and baseball bats without losing our privacy in the USA But haven't done with guns or loans or credit cards for a long time now. > (but they'll get there, Bet they don’t. > as Ben Franklin said, we no longer deserve either > our security or our freedom, since we allow it to > be compromised so easily by unwarranted fear). That was always a remarkably silly claim, most obviously in wartime. > < OK OK ... I'll get off the soapbox now... > >> For SIM cards it should be standard being asked for positive >> identification (and for people from the US this would mean >> passport as you don't have an ID card, driver's license is >> usually not accepted over here for 'serious' identification). > Yeah. I remember I was shocked that, in Germany, they asked > for my passport (which was in the hotel). So I had to go back > to get it. In Italy, you'd have to *check out* of the hotel, pay > the hotel bill, go to the phone store, show the passport, then > back at the hotel you'd have to check back in. Only if they require the passport to get a SIM, they don’t. > In many ways, I'm glad I don't *live* in Europe, which > is more of a police state than here in the USA Its always been that way and that is one of the reason so many migrated to the US. > (which is getting there - we're just > way behind you folks across the pond). Not really, most obviously with what happened in wartime and with immigrants.
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| From | Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-24 11:22 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <arb3rahqs4ncruo0up22fg0hui7qbrkb2q@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #21127 |
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:27:54 -0400, "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: >On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: > >> Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in >> Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. > >I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! >I was shocked. It was their *rule*. So how can people who don't hold passports ever stay at hotels in Italy?
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-24 14:36 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <d1dtn4FnonsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21252 |
"Chris Blunt" <mail@nospam.com> wrote in message news:arb3rahqs4ncruo0up22fg0hui7qbrkb2q@4ax.com... > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:27:54 -0400, "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > >>On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:06:17 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote: >> >>> Hotels depend in their handling (AFAIK) from country to country, in >>> Germany e.g. I think I never needed an identity card for many years. >> >>I remember, in Italy, they *took* my passport from me! >>I was shocked. It was their *rule*. > > So how can people who don't hold passports ever stay at hotels in > Italy? They only do that for foreigners, not even those from other EU countrys.
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| From | "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-25 13:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <51c48$55b3c385$adb2d18a$25839@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #21253 |
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 14:36:48 +1000, Rod Speed wrote: > They only do that for foreigners, not even those from other EU countrys. I don't know the answer, but I *think* they give the passports to the local *police*, whom you apparently have to *register* with. Again, this is all foreign to me, so, those who actually know *why* they physically held the passports the entire week, should let me know too.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-25 19:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d1i6mtFqbjqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #21283 |
M.L. <me@privacy.invalid> wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 14:36:48 +1000, Rod Speed wrote: > > > They only do that for foreigners, not even those from other EU countrys. > > I don't know the answer, but I *think* they give the passports to the > local *police*, whom you apparently have to *register* with. > > Again, this is all foreign to me, so, those who actually know *why* they > physically held the passports the entire week, should let me know too. Well, except for a few know-it-alls in this group, most of us have rather limited mind-reading capabilities and our crystal balls are worthless as well, but the most *likely* explanation is that just wanted to make sure that you would pay the bill. As I said before, what they did is probably *illegal* in Italy, but heh, they're Italians, so what the heck has the law got to do with anything!?
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| From | "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-07-25 16:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <cf7a3$55b3f872$adb2d18a$1241@nntpswitch.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #21292 |
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:34:53 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote: > Well, except for a few know-it-alls in this group, most of us have > rather limited mind-reading capabilities and our crystal balls are > worthless as well, but the most *likely* explanation is that just wanted > to make sure that you would pay the bill. As I said before, what they > did is probably *illegal* in Italy, but heh, they're Italians, so what > the heck has the law got to do with anything!? I think the only rule that matters in Italy is that, whatever you do while driving, you have to mean it. They sense fear.
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