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Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries

Started byJava Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
First post2018-11-26 15:31 +0000
Last post2018-11-29 15:52 +0100
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  Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-11-26 15:31 +0000
    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-11-26 17:01 +0000
      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-11-28 11:57 +0000
        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-28 14:03 +0100
          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 10:52 -0500
          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-11-28 16:03 +0000
            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 11:08 -0500
              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-28 16:21 +0000
                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 11:49 -0500
                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-11-28 18:30 +0000
                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 13:49 -0500
                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-28 10:30 -0700
              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-29 15:54 +0100
                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-29 10:30 -0500
                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-29 22:50 +0100
                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-29 17:44 -0500
                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-11-30 08:48 +0100
                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-01 03:47 +0100
                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-30 22:04 -0500
                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2018-12-01 08:42 +0100
                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-12-01 11:21 +0100
              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-04 13:03 +0100
                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-12-08 12:47 +0100
            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Alfred <alfred@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-28 12:48 -0600
              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 13:50 -0500
                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Alfred <alfred@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-28 13:34 -0600
                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 15:29 -0500
                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Alfred <alfred@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-28 16:10 -0600
                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 17:32 -0500
                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Alfred <alfred@invalid.invalid> - 2018-11-28 17:26 -0600
                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-28 18:41 -0500
            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-29 15:44 +0100
              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-29 20:46 +0000
                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-29 23:06 +0100
                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-11-29 23:05 +0000
                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-01 04:08 +0100
                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-30 22:28 -0500
                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:35 +0100
                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:24 +0000
                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-01 10:26 -0500
                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-12-01 15:49 +0000
                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:59 +0000
                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-01 11:30 -0500
                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-01 11:30 -0500
                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-12-01 19:49 +0000
                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:04 -0500
                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-12-01 21:29 +0000
                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-01 18:29 -0500
                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 13:27 +0100
                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-02 10:08 -0500
                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 13:20 +0100
                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-02 10:08 -0500
                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 23:15 +0100
                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-02 17:48 -0500
                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-03 05:18 +0100
                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-03 13:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-03 14:59 +0100
                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-03 10:09 -0500
                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-04 11:43 +0100
                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-12-04 12:23 +0100
                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-04 14:00 +0000
                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-04 14:16 +0000
                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-04 11:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-04 14:40 +0000
                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-04 18:41 +0100
                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-05 10:27 +0000
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 15:44 +0100
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-12-05 10:04 -0700
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 12:17 -0500
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-05 19:10 +0000
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:30 +0100
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:40 -0500
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-12-05 16:05 -0700
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:06 +0100
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 09:51 -0500
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-05 15:46 +0000
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 11:29 -0500
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries 123456789 <123456@123456.com> - 2018-12-05 10:04 -0700
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:09 +0100
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries +++ATH0 <news@ringpiece.local> - 2018-12-12 21:39 -0800
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-13 09:13 -0500
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-13 21:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-13 19:04 -0500
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-12-05 17:22 +0000
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-05 19:13 +0000
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-12-06 13:55 +0000
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-06 09:10 -0500
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-12-06 16:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-06 11:56 -0500
                                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-12-06 17:30 +0000
                                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-06 12:43 -0500
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Graham J <graham@invalid.com> - 2018-12-05 17:26 +0000
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 12:37 -0500
                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 09:51 -0500
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-05 16:01 +0000
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 11:29 -0500
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:07 +0000
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:08 +0000
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 16:35 -0500
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-12-06 14:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-06 09:15 -0500
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-06 15:40 +0100
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-12-06 15:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 04:18 +0100
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-06 16:22 +0000
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-06 11:35 -0500
                                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-06 17:18 +0000
                                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-06 12:29 -0500
                                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 04:20 +0100
                                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-06 22:45 -0500
                                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-07 12:23 +0000
                                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries BugHunter <bughunter@com.invalid> - 2018-12-07 13:08 +0100
                                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-07 12:59 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-12-07 09:32 -0700
                                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 19:26 +0100
                                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-06 20:17 +0000
                                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 04:33 +0100
                                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-07 13:11 +0000
                                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 08:31 -0500
                                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 19:36 +0100
                                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2018-12-07 21:25 +0000
                                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 23:17 +0100
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-12-06 18:51 +0000
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 04:15 +0100
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:16 +0100
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:41 -0500
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 19:41 +0100
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 14:30 -0500
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 23:22 +0100
                                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 17:46 -0500
                                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-08 02:16 +0100
                                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 21:13 -0500
                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 09:51 -0500
                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 09:51 -0500
                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:19 +0100
                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:41 -0500
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 19:42 +0100
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 14:30 -0500
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 23:24 +0100
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 17:46 -0500
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-08 02:00 +0100
                                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 21:13 -0500
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-07 20:56 +0000
                                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 23:35 +0100
                                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-07 17:46 -0500
                                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-08 02:11 +0100
                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-04 14:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 09:51 -0500
                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:25 +0100
                                                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:41 -0500
                                                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-07 19:45 +0100
                                                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-07 21:03 +0000
                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 09:51 -0500
                                                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-05 20:27 +0100
                                                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-05 14:40 -0500
                                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-12-03 09:33 -0700
                                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-12-03 18:40 +0000
                                                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-03 14:00 -0500
                                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 13:18 +0100
                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 12:58 +0100
                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 12:54 +0100
                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-12-01 17:22 +0100
                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 13:30 +0100
                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2018-12-01 09:07 +0000
                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:24 +0100
                          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:23 +0000
                            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 13:31 +0100
                              Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2018-12-02 12:38 +0000
                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-02 13:49 +0100
                                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-12-02 15:43 +0100
                                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-12-02 10:08 -0500
                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2018-11-30 13:16 +0000
                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:46 +0100
                Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2018-12-01 12:00 +0100
                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-12-01 11:16 +0000
                    Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-12-01 11:41 +0000
                      Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2018-12-01 12:27 +0000
                        Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2018-12-01 13:14 +0000
                  Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-12-01 15:47 +0100
          Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries 123456789 <12345@12345.com> - 2018-11-28 10:18 -0700
            Re: Mobile faster than wi-fi in many countries "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2018-11-29 15:52 +0100

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#58041

From"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk>
Date2018-12-01 15:49 +0000
Message-ID<NF7zWtCZ2qAcFwqZ@255soft.uk>
In reply to#58040
In message <011220181026449152%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam 
<nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>In article <ptu92m$115t$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Java Jive
><java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > My main laptop doesn't, only 802.11b/g
>>
>> In which case, I'd definitely cable it.
>
>better yet, replace it entirely.
>
>its ethernet port is more than likely 100bt instead of gigabit and the
>rest of it is likely very out of date too.

What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more 
than the 56M of g? I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop 
users won't be using that.


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#58042

FromJava Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
Date2018-12-01 15:59 +0000
Message-ID<ptub4g$14qh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58041
On 01/12/2018 15:49, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
> In message <011220181026449152%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam 
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>>
>> In article <ptu92m$115t$2@gioia.aioe.org>, Java Jive
>> <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My main laptop doesn't, only 802.11b/g
>>>
>>> In which case, I'd definitely cable it.
>>
>> better yet, replace it entirely.
>>
>> its ethernet port is more than likely 100bt instead of gigabit and the
>> rest of it is likely very out of date too.

Not necessarily  -  I have a Dell Latitude 610 that has only b/g WiFi 
but a gigabit ethernet port.

> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more 
> than the 56M of g? I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop 
> users won't be using that.

It does depend what you use it for.  On my Dell Latitude 610 using WiFi, 
if you just want to browse the web, it's fine, but the moment you need 
to move files about or stream even just audio, then it's no good.

> Ever been frustrated that you can't *disagree* with a petition? If so, 
> visit
> 255soft.uk - and please pass it on, too.

Please fix your sig.

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#58046

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-01 11:30 -0500
Message-ID<011220181130449526%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58042
In article <ptub4g$14qh$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Java Jive
<java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> >>>> My main laptop doesn't, only 802.11b/g
> >>>
> >>> In which case, I'd definitely cable it.
> >>
> >> better yet, replace it entirely.
> >>
> >> its ethernet port is more than likely 100bt instead of gigabit and the
> >> rest of it is likely very out of date too.
> 
> Not necessarily  -  I have a Dell Latitude 610 that has only b/g WiFi 
> but a gigabit ethernet port.

that's why i said more than likely. 

> > What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more 
> > than the 56M of g? I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop 
> > users won't be using that.
> 
> It does depend what you use it for.  On my Dell Latitude 610 using WiFi, 
> if you just want to browse the web, it's fine, but the moment you need 
> to move files about or stream even just audio, then it's no good.

exactly the point.

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#58045

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-01 11:30 -0500
Message-ID<011220181130429416%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58041
In article <NF7zWtCZ2qAcFwqZ@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >> > My main laptop doesn't, only 802.11b/g
> >>
> >> In which case, I'd definitely cable it.
> >
> >better yet, replace it entirely.
> >
> >its ethernet port is more than likely 100bt instead of gigabit and the
> >rest of it is likely very out of date too.
> 
> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more 
> than the 56M of g? 

just about everything.

usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
faster (2-3 gb/s). 

usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
10, 20 or 40 gb/s, also depending on version, making gigabit the
bottleneck. many nases now have dual or quad gigabit ethernet ports
which can be bonded together, an option until 10gb becomes mainstream.

also, 802.11g throughput (ignoring the proprietary 'turbo' variants) is
roughly half its theoretical maximum of 54mbit, or around 27mb/s. it's
less as you get further from the base station, typically in the 20mb
range, or only about twice as fast as 10bt. in other words, slow. 

> I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop 
> users won't be using that.

of course they will, as they would on tablets and phones.

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#58050

From"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk>
Date2018-12-01 19:49 +0000
Message-ID<KhFy$2AjXuAcFwJC@255soft.uk>
In reply to#58045
In message <011220181130429416%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam 
<nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>In article <NF7zWtCZ2qAcFwqZ@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
[]
>> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
>> than the 56M of g?
>
>just about everything.
>
>usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
>faster (2-3 gb/s).
>
>usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
[etc.]
I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what 
_uses_ do you have ..."

>> I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop
>> users won't be using that.
>
>of course they will, as they would on tablets and phones.

Some will. A lot won't.


Ever been frustrated that you can't *disagree* with a petition? If so, visit
255soft.uk - and please pass it on, too.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Old soldiers never die - only young ones

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#58052

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-01 15:04 -0500
Message-ID<011220181504490137%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58050
In article <KhFy$2AjXuAcFwJC@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
> >> than the 56M of g?
> >
> >just about everything.
> >
> >usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
> >faster (2-3 gb/s).
> >
> >usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
> [etc.]
> I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what 
> _uses_ do you have ..."

answered in the first line: just about everything. 

modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.

> >> I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop
> >> users won't be using that.
> >
> >of course they will, as they would on tablets and phones.
> 
> Some will. A lot won't.

a lot will.

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#58053

From"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk>
Date2018-12-01 21:29 +0000
Message-ID<chs3vkHH1vAcFwaB@255soft.uk>
In reply to#58052
In message <011220181504490137%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam 
<nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>In article <KhFy$2AjXuAcFwJC@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
><G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> >> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
>> >> than the 56M of g?
>> >
>> >just about everything.
>> >
>> >usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
>> >faster (2-3 gb/s).
>> >
>> >usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
>> [etc.]
>> I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what
>> _uses_ do you have ..."
>
>answered in the first line: just about everything.

I disagree, but regardless of whether that's true or not ...
>
>modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
>bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.

... that isn't relevant to my point, which was that unless you have a 
_use_ that requires a certain speed, it doesn't really matter whether 
all the _hardware_ you use to support that use can go at ten or a 
hundred times that speed.

For example: I doubt there's a _need_ for keyboards (and probably not 
mice or other pointing devices) to be more than USB 1.1, though I 
suspect they're mostly USB2.
>
>> >> I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop
>> >> users won't be using that.
>> >
>> >of course they will, as they would on tablets and phones.
>>
>> Some will. A lot won't.
>
>a lot will.

We're both right there.


visit 255soft.uk (UK only)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush.
It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.
  -Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977)

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#58054

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-01 18:29 -0500
Message-ID<011220181829427691%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58053
In article <chs3vkHH1vAcFwaB@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
<G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >> >> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
> >> >> than the 56M of g?
> >> >
> >> >just about everything.
> >> >
> >> >usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
> >> >faster (2-3 gb/s).
> >> >
> >> >usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
> >> [etc.]
> >> I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what
> >> _uses_ do you have ..."
> >
> >answered in the first line: just about everything.
> 
> I disagree, but regardless of whether that's true or not ...
> >
> >modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
> >bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.
> 
> ... that isn't relevant to my point, 

it's *exactly* relevant.

if the devices being used can each send and receive data at rates
faster than gigabit, then connecting them with much slower 100bt is
going to be a very, very bad choice. 

> which was that unless you have a 
> _use_ that requires a certain speed, it doesn't really matter whether 
> all the _hardware_ you use to support that use can go at ten or a 
> hundred times that speed.

once again, just about everything these days does.

do you really need a list? moving files or other data, streaming audio
& video, gaming, screen sharing and much more.

also, the more people there are on a given network, the faster it needs
to be.

> For example: I doubt there's a _need_ for keyboards (and probably not 
> mice or other pointing devices) to be more than USB 1.1, though I 
> suspect they're mostly USB2.

they're usb 2 because usb 1.1 is obsolete, however, they probably don't
run at hi speed.

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#58063

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-02 13:27 +0100
Message-ID<1nvcdf-jib.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#58054
On 02/12/2018 00.29, nospam wrote:
> In article <chs3vkHH1vAcFwaB@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
> <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
>>>>>> than the 56M of g?
>>>>>
>>>>> just about everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
>>>>> faster (2-3 gb/s).
>>>>>
>>>>> usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
>>>> [etc.]
>>>> I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what
>>>> _uses_ do you have ..."
>>>
>>> answered in the first line: just about everything.
>>
>> I disagree, but regardless of whether that's true or not ...
>>>
>>> modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
>>> bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.
>>
>> ... that isn't relevant to my point, 
> 
> it's *exactly* relevant.
> 
> if the devices being used can each send and receive data at rates
> faster than gigabit, then connecting them with much slower 100bt is
> going to be a very, very bad choice. 

Not at all.

> 
>> which was that unless you have a 
>> _use_ that requires a certain speed, it doesn't really matter whether 
>> all the _hardware_ you use to support that use can go at ten or a 
>> hundred times that speed.
> 
> once again, just about everything these days does.
> 
> do you really need a list? moving files or other data, streaming audio
> & video, gaming, screen sharing and much more.

Not streaming video nor audio, because that's about 1M only. Unless you
send it decompressed, and I have not seen that happening.
Even decompressed audio - CD rate is 1,411,200 bits per second. At that
speed I can send several at the same time!

> 
> also, the more people there are on a given network, the faster it needs
> to be.

But there aren't :-p

And not the case with proper switches.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#58071

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-02 10:08 -0500
Message-ID<021220181008536387%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58063
In article <1nvcdf-jib.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >>> modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
> >>> bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.
> >>
> >> ... that isn't relevant to my point, 
> > 
> > it's *exactly* relevant.
> > 
> > if the devices being used can each send and receive data at rates
> > faster than gigabit, then connecting them with much slower 100bt is
> > going to be a very, very bad choice. 
> 
> Not at all.

yes it is, very much so.

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#58062

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-02 13:20 +0100
Message-ID<k8vcdf-76b.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#58052
On 01/12/2018 21.04, nospam wrote:
> In article <KhFy$2AjXuAcFwJC@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver (John)
> <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote:
> 
>>>> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
>>>> than the 56M of g?
>>>
>>> just about everything.
>>>
>>> usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
>>> faster (2-3 gb/s).
>>>
>>> usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
>> [etc.]
>> I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what 
>> _uses_ do you have ..."
> 
> answered in the first line: just about everything. 
> 
> modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
> bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.

Modern hardware is faster, yes. But do you really *use* it in a manner
that slower hardware wouldn't work?  I don't.


>>>> I can only think of HD streaming, and a lot of laptop
>>>> users won't be using that.
>>>
>>> of course they will, as they would on tablets and phones.
>>
>> Some will. A lot won't.
> 
> a lot will.
> 

We don't.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#58072

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-02 10:08 -0500
Message-ID<021220181008546446%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58062
In article <k8vcdf-76b.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >>>> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
> >>>> than the 56M of g?
> >>>
> >>> just about everything.
> >>>
> >>> usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
> >>> faster (2-3 gb/s).
> >>>
> >>> usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
> >> [etc.]
> >> I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what 
> >> _uses_ do you have ..."
> > 
> > answered in the first line: just about everything. 
> > 
> > modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
> > bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.
> 
> Modern hardware is faster, yes. But do you really *use* it in a manner
> that slower hardware wouldn't work?  I don't.

then you're doing something wrong. 

usb 2 is faster than 100bt, so simply by copying files to/fro a usb 2
drive over the network, gigabit will provide a significant speed
improvement.

usb 3 is faster than gigabit, so 100bt would be horribly crippling. 

and that's just one use case.

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#58074

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-02 23:15 +0100
Message-ID<g52edf-eg9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#58072
On 02/12/2018 16.08, nospam wrote:
> In article <k8vcdf-76b.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> What uses do you have in mind that need more than 100M - or even more
>>>>>> than the 56M of g?
>>>>>
>>>>> just about everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> usb 3 hard drives are roughly double that, with ssds *significantly*
>>>>> faster (2-3 gb/s).
>>>>>
>>>>> usb 3 ports are 5 or 10gb/s, depending on version, and thunderbolt is
>>>> [etc.]
>>>> I didn't ask "what have you got that goes that fast", I asked "what 
>>>> _uses_ do you have ..."
>>>
>>> answered in the first line: just about everything. 
>>>
>>> modern hardware is much faster than gigabit, so gigabit becomes a
>>> bottleneck, which means using 100bt is a *really* bad idea.
>>
>> Modern hardware is faster, yes. But do you really *use* it in a manner
>> that slower hardware wouldn't work?  I don't.
> 
> then you're doing something wrong. 
> 
> usb 2 is faster than 100bt, so simply by copying files to/fro a usb 2
> drive over the network, gigabit will provide a significant speed
> improvement.
> 
> usb 3 is faster than gigabit, so 100bt would be horribly crippling. 
> 
> and that's just one use case.

I know it is faster. But the times that really matters, are not even
once in a week. Rather once in a month.  That I have to wait while I
copy files? yes. So, what?

It only really matters if it is so slow that I can not get things done -
and that is never the case yet.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#58075

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-02 17:48 -0500
Message-ID<021220181748079721%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58074
In article <g52edf-eg9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >>
> >> Modern hardware is faster, yes. But do you really *use* it in a manner
> >> that slower hardware wouldn't work?  I don't.
> > 
> > then you're doing something wrong. 
> > 
> > usb 2 is faster than 100bt, so simply by copying files to/fro a usb 2
> > drive over the network, gigabit will provide a significant speed
> > improvement.
> > 
> > usb 3 is faster than gigabit, so 100bt would be horribly crippling. 
> > 
> > and that's just one use case.
> 
> I know it is faster. 

that's the whole point.

> But the times that really matters, are not even
> once in a week. Rather once in a month.  That I have to wait while I
> copy files? yes. So, what?

you copy files only once a month???

do you not do any sort of backup?

> It only really matters if it is so slow that I can not get things done -
> and that is never the case yet.

then you don't do much with your computers.

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#58076

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-03 05:18 +0100
Message-ID<tcnedf-88r.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#58075
On 02/12/2018 23.48, nospam wrote:
> In article <g52edf-eg9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>
>>>> Modern hardware is faster, yes. But do you really *use* it in a manner
>>>> that slower hardware wouldn't work?  I don't.
>>>
>>> then you're doing something wrong. 
>>>
>>> usb 2 is faster than 100bt, so simply by copying files to/fro a usb 2
>>> drive over the network, gigabit will provide a significant speed
>>> improvement.
>>>
>>> usb 3 is faster than gigabit, so 100bt would be horribly crippling. 
>>>
>>> and that's just one use case.
>>
>> I know it is faster. 
> 
> that's the whole point.
> 
>> But the times that really matters, are not even
>> once in a week. Rather once in a month.  That I have to wait while I
>> copy files? yes. So, what?
> 
> you copy files only once a month???
> 
> do you not do any sort of backup?

Why would it matter to me if it takes one hour or two or eight? I'm
sleeping. :-P


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#58078

FromFrank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Date2018-12-03 13:27 +0000
Message-ID<pu3egn.dus.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
In reply to#58076
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 02/12/2018 23.48, nospam wrote:
> > In article <g52edf-eg9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> > <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>>> Modern hardware is faster, yes. But do you really *use* it in a manner
> >>>> that slower hardware wouldn't work?  I don't.
> >>>
> >>> then you're doing something wrong. 
> >>>
> >>> usb 2 is faster than 100bt, so simply by copying files to/fro a usb 2
> >>> drive over the network, gigabit will provide a significant speed
> >>> improvement.
> >>>
> >>> usb 3 is faster than gigabit, so 100bt would be horribly crippling. 
> >>>
> >>> and that's just one use case.
> >>
> >> I know it is faster. 
> > 
> > that's the whole point.
> > 
> >> But the times that really matters, are not even
> >> once in a week. Rather once in a month.  That I have to wait while I
> >> copy files? yes. So, what?
> > 
> > you copy files only once a month???
> > 
> > do you not do any sort of backup?
> 
> Why would it matter to me if it takes one hour or two or eight? I'm
> sleeping. :-P

  Be gentle with nospam, will you!? Multiprogramming/multitasking is
apparently an alian concept to him. But that's understandable, after all
it's only some six decades or so old.

  In the meantime, in the real world, people don't 'wait' when they're
copying files, they just do something else. And for backup there's this
thing called 'unattended backup'. I hope nospam doesn't mind that while
I'm typing this, my unattended backup is running. Can't wait - oops,
make that: don't have to wait - till it's finished.

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#58080

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-03 14:59 +0100
Message-ID<iepfdf-j2i.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#58078
On 03/12/2018 14.27, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 02/12/2018 23.48, nospam wrote:
>>> In article <g52edf-eg9.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Modern hardware is faster, yes. But do you really *use* it in a manner
>>>>>> that slower hardware wouldn't work?  I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> then you're doing something wrong. 
>>>>>
>>>>> usb 2 is faster than 100bt, so simply by copying files to/fro a usb 2
>>>>> drive over the network, gigabit will provide a significant speed
>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>
>>>>> usb 3 is faster than gigabit, so 100bt would be horribly crippling. 
>>>>>
>>>>> and that's just one use case.
>>>>
>>>> I know it is faster. 
>>>
>>> that's the whole point.
>>>
>>>> But the times that really matters, are not even
>>>> once in a week. Rather once in a month.  That I have to wait while I
>>>> copy files? yes. So, what?
>>>
>>> you copy files only once a month???
>>>
>>> do you not do any sort of backup?
>>
>> Why would it matter to me if it takes one hour or two or eight? I'm
>> sleeping. :-P
> 
>   Be gentle with nospam, will you!? Multiprogramming/multitasking is
> apparently an alian concept to him. But that's understandable, after all
> it's only some six decades or so old.
> 
>   In the meantime, in the real world, people don't 'wait' when they're
> copying files, they just do something else. And for backup there's this
> thing called 'unattended backup'. I hope nospam doesn't mind that while
> I'm typing this, my unattended backup is running. Can't wait - oops,
> make that: don't have to wait - till it's finished.
> 

Otherwise, a donation of a fast router and fast laptop or two would be
appreciated ;-)


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#58082

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2018-12-03 10:09 -0500
Message-ID<031220181009233469%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#58078
In article <pu3egn.dus.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>   In the meantime, in the real world, people don't 'wait' when they're
> copying files, they just do something else. 

they might not sit and watch the progress bar, but they do have to wait
until the copy has completed to continue, whether it's removing the usb
stick, unmounting the external hard drive, or others being able to
access the files on the server.

> And for backup there's this
> thing called 'unattended backup'. I hope nospam doesn't mind that while
> I'm typing this, my unattended backup is running. Can't wait - oops,
> make that: don't have to wait - till it's finished.

missing the point entirely, as usual.

copying a 2 terabyte drive (which is small these days) via usb 2 takes
roughly a day (been there, done that). that would take a couple of days
over 100b-t network.

although copying 2tb is not an every day event, the difference in time
for typical copies is significant. seconds versus minutes; minutes
versus hours.

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#58093

From"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Date2018-12-04 11:43 +0100
Message-ID<dc2idf-due.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>
In reply to#58082
On 03/12/2018 16.09, nospam wrote:
> In article <pu3egn.dus.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>   In the meantime, in the real world, people don't 'wait' when they're
>> copying files, they just do something else. 
> 
> they might not sit and watch the progress bar, but they do have to wait
> until the copy has completed to continue, whether it's removing the usb
> stick, unmounting the external hard drive, or others being able to
> access the files on the server.

No such problem. Just use a proper multitasking and multiuser operating
system.

> 
>> And for backup there's this
>> thing called 'unattended backup'. I hope nospam doesn't mind that while
>> I'm typing this, my unattended backup is running. Can't wait - oops,
>> make that: don't have to wait - till it's finished.
> 
> missing the point entirely, as usual.
> 
> copying a 2 terabyte drive (which is small these days) via usb 2 takes
> roughly a day (been there, done that). that would take a couple of days
> over 100b-t network.

Ha! My laptop doesn't have a 2 TB disk. So, again, not an issue. :-p

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#58094

FromPiet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid>
Date2018-12-04 12:23 +0100
Message-ID<pu5o34$12np$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#58093
Carlos E.R. wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> copying a 2 terabyte drive (which is small these days) via usb 2 takes
>> roughly a day (been there, done that). that would take a couple of days
>> over 100b-t network.
> 
> Ha! My laptop doesn't have a 2 TB disk. So, again, not an issue. :-p

Wonder how much time it would take to copy a 2 TB drive using a 3D-printer.

-p

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