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  Email app with spam filtering Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-27 13:48 -0700
    Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-27 23:58 -0500
      Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-28 06:24 +0100
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 01:36 -0500
          Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-28 08:56 +0100
            Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 03:25 -0500
          Re: Email app with spam filtering nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-12-28 10:20 -0500
            Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 15:32 -0500
          Re: Email app with spam filtering I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> - 2016-12-28 17:10 +0000
            Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 15:33 -0500
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-12-28 10:24 +0100
          Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-28 13:15 +0100
            Re: Email app with spam filtering Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-12-28 13:52 +0100
              Re: Email app with spam filtering "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-12-29 02:42 +0100
                Re: Email app with spam filtering Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-29 09:15 -0700
                Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-29 07:47 +0100
                  Re: Email app with spam filtering "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-12-30 14:17 +0100
              Re: Email app with spam filtering Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> - 2016-12-28 22:18 +0100
              Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-28 21:25 +0100
    Re: Email app with spam filtering Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-28 07:25 -0700
      Re: Email app with spam filtering "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-12-28 18:33 +0100
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-28 11:12 -0700
        Re: Email app with spam filtering "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-12-28 22:36 +0100
          Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 17:55 -0500
          Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-29 07:51 +0100
            Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-29 02:17 -0500
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-28 21:26 +0100
          Re: Email app with spam filtering Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-28 17:51 -0700
      Re: Email app with spam filtering "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-12-28 19:02 +0100
      Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 20:33 -0500
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-28 18:41 -0700
          Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 21:15 -0500
            Re: Email app with spam filtering "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@invalid.es> - 2016-12-29 03:35 +0100
      Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-28 15:36 -0500
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-29 08:15 +0100
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> - 2016-12-28 17:53 -0700
      Re: Email app with spam filtering "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2016-12-28 22:36 +0100
        Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-29 07:54 +0100
          Re: Email app with spam filtering Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> - 2016-12-29 02:23 -0500
      Re: Email app with spam filtering Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2016-12-28 21:27 +0100
    Re: Email app with spam filtering Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2016-12-29 17:00 +0000
    Re: Email app with spam filtering tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2016-12-29 04:29 -0500

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#36976 — Email app with spam filtering

Just installed Aquamail and no filtering. Don't know about the Pro
version.


Ken1943

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#36983

On 27 Dec 2016, Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> wrote in 
comp.mobile.android:

> Just installed Aquamail and no filtering. Don't know about the Pro
> version.

Is there a questions in there somewhere?


Bluemail has spam filtering.

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#36984

Am 28.12.16 um 05:58 schrieb Nil:
> On 27 Dec 2016, Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> wrote in
> comp.mobile.android:
>
>> Just installed Aquamail and no filtering. Don't know about the Pro
>> version.
>
> Is there a questions in there somewhere?
>
>
> Bluemail has spam filtering.
>
Wrong concept: Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and not on 
the client.

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#36985

On 28 Dec 2016, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote in
comp.mobile.android: 

> Wrong concept: 

No, it's not.

> Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and
> not on the client.

Nowadays, as always, spam filtering is done wherever it is effective. 
That can be anywhere along the chain, including multiple places.

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#36986

Am 28.12.16 um 07:36 schrieb Nil:
> Nowadays, as always, spam filtering is done wherever it is effective.
> That can be anywhere along the chain, including multiple places.
>
You have too much time.

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#36987

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> Wrote in message:
> Am 28.12.16 um 07:36 schrieb Nil:
>> Nowadays, as always, spam filtering is done wherever it is effective.
>> That can be anywhere along the chain, including multiple places.
>>
> You have too much time.

That may be, but none of it is spent filtering spam.

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#36995

In article <XnsA6EC104A631A7nilch1@wheedledeedle.moc>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

> > Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and
> > not on the client.
> 
> Nowadays, as always, spam filtering is done wherever it is effective. 

which is the server because people use multiple clients.

> That can be anywhere along the chain, including multiple places.

doing it in multiple places is not effective.

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#37040

On 28 Dec 2016, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
comp.mobile.android: 

> In article <XnsA6EC104A631A7nilch1@wheedledeedle.moc>, Nil
><rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> > Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and
>> > not on the client.
>> 
>> Nowadays, as always, spam filtering is done wherever it is
>> effective. 
> 
> which is the server because people use multiple clients.

Also using my local client (usually Thunderbird) because it's easiest.
 
>> That can be anywhere along the chain, including multiple places.
> 
> doing it in multiple places is not effective.

You really shouldn't try to tell me what's most effective for me.

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#36997

On Wed, 28 Dec 2016 01:36:05 -0500,
Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net>, in
<XnsA6EC104A631A7nilch1@wheedledeedle.moc> wrote:
>  On 28 Dec 2016, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote in
>  comp.mobile.android: 
> 
> > Wrong concept: 
> 
>  No, it's not.
> 
> > Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and
> > not on the client.
> 
>  Nowadays, as always, spam filtering is done wherever it is effective. 
>  That can be anywhere along the chain, including multiple places.

Complexity is the enemy of reliability.

"I sent you an email, did you not get it?"
"No. It must have been eaten by a spam filter."

The more places that can happen, the more places you have to look to
see what triggered the response, and recover the missing note.

But hey, if you want to spend your time wandering down the rabbit hole,
feel free to do so.

-- 
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow
isn't looking good, either.
I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated.

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#37002

On 28 Dec 2016, I R A Darth Aggie <n0b0dy@invalid.invalid> wrote in
comp.mobile.android: 

> Complexity is the enemy of reliability.
> 
> "I sent you an email, did you not get it?"
> "No. It must have been eaten by a spam filter."
> 
> The more places that can happen, the more places you have to look
> to see what triggered the response, and recover the missing note.

That has never been a problem for me in all my many decades of email 
use. I know exactly what I'm doing.
 
> But hey, if you want to spend your time wandering down the rabbit
> hole, feel free to do so.

Well, gosh, thanks so much, but as I said before, it takes little or 
none of my time.

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#36988

Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Nil wrote:
>> Bluemail has spam filtering.
>
> Wrong concept

Not really.

> Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and not
> on the client.

For most of it, or the "regular" spam, yes. But "spam" is
also subjective, so being able to do additional filtering
can be very useful.

-p

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#36992

Am 28.12.16 um 10:24 schrieb Piet:
> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Nil wrote:
>>> Bluemail has spam filtering.
>>
>> Wrong concept
>
> Not really.
>
>> Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and not
>> on the client.
>
> For most of it, or the "regular" spam, yes. But "spam" is
> also subjective, so being able to do additional filtering
> can be very useful.

Is done on the server not on the client.
I have my own mail server and some public providers. They all offer spam 
filterng or filtering in general one way or the other.


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#36993

Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Piet wrote:
>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Nil wrote:
>>>> Bluemail has spam filtering.
>>>
>>> Wrong concept
>>
>> Not really.
>>
>>> Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and not
>>> on the client.
>>
>> For most of it, or the "regular" spam, yes. But "spam" is
>> also subjective, so being able to do additional filtering
>> can be very useful.
> 
> Is done on the server not on the client.

You're dead wrong. But perhaps you've never heard of post-filtering.
I do, and I use it extensively, despite good "standard" filtering
by my providers.

-p

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#37003

On 2016-12-28 21:25, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> This is sorting not filtering. Effective, consistent and efficient spam
> filtering is done on the server.

Depends if the server does a good job, or if you have sufficient control
of what the server does.

My ISP, for instance, does a bad job of it. Too many false positives.

Regardless of that, the OP asked for an email app that does the
filtering. It is pointless to tell him to do it differently. He wants
what he wants.

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#37011

On Thu, 29 Dec 2016 02:42:30 +0100, "Carlos E. R."
<robin_listas@invalid.es> wrote:

>On 2016-12-28 21:25, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> This is sorting not filtering. Effective, consistent and efficient spam
>> filtering is done on the server.
>
>Depends if the server does a good job, or if you have sufficient control
>of what the server does.
>
>My ISP, for instance, does a bad job of it. Too many false positives.
>
>Regardless of that, the OP asked for an email app that does the
>filtering. It is pointless to tell him to do it differently. He wants
>what he wants.

AMEN


Ken1943

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#37043

Am 29.12.16 um 02:42 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 2016-12-28 21:25, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> This is sorting not filtering. Effective, consistent and efficient spam
>> filtering is done on the server.
>
> Depends if the server does a good job, or if you have sufficient control
> of what the server does.

That is prerequisite.

> My ISP, for instance, does a bad job of it. Too many false positives.

That is ugly.

> Regardless of that, the OP asked for an email app that does the
> filtering. It is pointless to tell him to do it differently. He wants
> what he wants.

Sometimes people have things in mind and suddenly someone comes up with 
a much more elegant solution. Everyone should be ready to learn or at 
least to listen.

AFAIK K9 is capable of what the OP wants or he thinks he needs.

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#37055

On 2016-12-29 07:47, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 29.12.16 um 02:42 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
>> On 2016-12-28 21:25, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>
>>> This is sorting not filtering. Effective, consistent and efficient spam
>>> filtering is done on the server.
>>
>> Depends if the server does a good job, or if you have sufficient control
>> of what the server does.
> 
> That is prerequisite.
> 
>> My ISP, for instance, does a bad job of it. Too many false positives.
> 
> That is ugly.

It even bounces back good email, silently.

> 
>> Regardless of that, the OP asked for an email app that does the
>> filtering. It is pointless to tell him to do it differently. He wants
>> what he wants.
> 
> Sometimes people have things in mind and suddenly someone comes up with
> a much more elegant solution. Everyone should be ready to learn or at
> least to listen.
> 
> AFAIK K9 is capable of what the OP wants or he thinks he needs.

K9, the android app? Not that I have seen.

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#37014

Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Piet wrote:
>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Piet wrote:
>>>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Nil wrote:
>>>>>> Bluemail has spam filtering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong concept
>>>>
>>>> Not really.
>>>>
>>>>> Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and not
>>>>> on the client.
>>>>
>>>> For most of it, or the "regular" spam, yes. But "spam" is
>>>> also subjective, so being able to do additional filtering
>>>> can be very useful.
>>>
>>> Is done on the server not on the client.
>>
>> You're dead wrong. But perhaps you've never heard of post-filtering.
>> I do, and I use it extensively, despite good "standard" filtering
>> by my providers.
> 
> This is sorting not filtering.

It has nothing to so whatsoever with sorting.
You really don't know waht you're talking about.
Sleep well.

-p

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#37037

Am 28.12.16 um 13:52 schrieb Piet:
> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Piet wrote:
>>> Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Nil wrote:
>>>>> Bluemail has spam filtering.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong concept
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>>
>>>> Nowadays spam filtering is done on the server and not
>>>> on the client.
>>>
>>> For most of it, or the "regular" spam, yes. But "spam" is
>>> also subjective, so being able to do additional filtering
>>> can be very useful.
>>
>> Is done on the server not on the client.
>
> You're dead wrong. But perhaps you've never heard of post-filtering.
> I do, and I use it extensively, despite good "standard" filtering
> by my providers.

This is sorting not filtering. Effective, consistent and efficient spam 
filtering is done on the server.

For me is EOT here.


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#36994

On Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:48:19 -0700, Ken1943 <kenw@no295no.net> wrote:

>Just installed Aquamail and no filtering. Don't know about the Pro
>version.
>
>
>Ken1943
 
I just asked a simple question and not a who, what, where, when or
why.

Forget it, I will just try every email program until I find one that
does what I want.


Ken1943

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