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| Started by | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| First post | 2026-08-31 09:01 -0400 |
| Last post | 2026-09-09 12:53 +0200 |
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How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-08-31 09:01 -0400
Re: How does whatsapp work? Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-08-31 09:20 -0600
Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 00:51 -0400
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 20:37 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-01 01:01 -0400
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 09:44 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:47 +0200
Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:21 +0100
Re: Signal (was: Re: How does whatsapp work?) "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-01 16:30 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:15 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:32 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:25 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:26 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:53 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:37 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:23 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:36 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:31 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:40 +0530
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:24 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:39 +0845
[OT/Meta] Trolling (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:37 +0100
Re: [OT/Meta] Trolling Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:43 +0930
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:28 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:31 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:18 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:10 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:25 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:28 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:41 +0530
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:35 +0845
Re: [OT] "trolling" Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-09 20:07 +0000
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-10 09:27 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:24 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:56 +0000
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:18 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 05:58 +0845
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 11:36 +0845
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-01 18:59 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:18 +0200
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:11 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:18 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:28 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:25 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:39 +0530
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:05 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 19:13 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 20:52 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 21:27 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 21:50 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:20 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:11 +0200
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 18:50 +0100
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:30 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:34 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 06:00 +0845
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:42 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:13 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 13:12 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-08 21:04 +0300
Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-09-08 19:32 +0000
Re: [OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:21 +0300
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:31 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:34 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:37 +0530
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:55 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:44 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-04 12:39 +0100
Re: Signal micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:44 +0300
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:56 +0200
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 10:17 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:59 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-06 13:34 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-06 20:07 +0200
Re: [OT] "trolling" micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 08:51 +0300
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:49 +0200
Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-09 09:55 -0700
Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-10 10:16 +0100
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 09:30 -0700
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-10 17:49 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-10 21:33 -0700
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 06:54 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 01:24 -0600
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 11:09 -0700
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 18:23 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:56 -0600
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-11 19:37 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 12:46 -0600
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 12:48 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-11 21:59 -0230
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-11 19:12 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 01:31 -0100
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 13:00 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 08:32 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-12 17:31 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-12 18:00 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:05 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:33 +0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 12:30 +0000
Re: Contacts Siard <saylor259@mailbox.org> - 2026-09-17 15:12 +0200
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-17 16:12 +0000
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-17 18:48 +0200
Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:04 +0200
Re: Contacts Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2026-09-18 10:00 +0200
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-18 10:58 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-17 13:26 +0300
Re: Contacts Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-11 00:30 +0100
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-12 21:58 +0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 13:16 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:06 +0300
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-13 05:15 +0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-12 20:40 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 11:22 +0545
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 06:05 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 06:54 -1000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-15 00:50 +0000
Re: Contacts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-13 19:02 +0000
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-13 14:17 -0700
Re: Contacts Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-14 21:56 -0300
Re: Contacts AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-09-20 00:15 -0700
Re: Contacts micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-23 21:02 +0300
Application identification on Motorola Android (was: Re: Contacts) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-13 08:11 +0100
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:12 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:26 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 22:40 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:35 +0530
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 00:03 +0100
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <user17785@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-09-03 01:00 +0000
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 02:47 +0930
[OT] "trolling" (was: Re: Signal) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-03 11:49 +0100
Re: [OT] "trolling" Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:38 +0930
Re: [OT] "trolling" "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-04 09:26 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:29 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 21:33 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:51 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 22:35 +0200
Re: Signal "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-03 02:36 +0530
Re: Signal Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-02 11:24 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-02 17:30 +0200
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 09:29 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 03:04 +0930
Re: Signal Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-03 18:46 +0100
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-04 04:22 +0930
Re: Signal Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-01 19:20 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-01 17:03 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-02 20:56 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-02 21:04 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-04 21:15 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-05 14:14 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-09-05 18:03 +0200
Re: How does whatsapp work? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-09-01 14:37 +0000
Re: How does whatsapp work? micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2026-09-09 09:07 +0300
Re: How does whatsapp work? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-09 12:53 +0200
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 21:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" |
| Message-ID | <1179sq6$19d4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155521 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > Anyway, I think soon enough Nuno will be able to tell who is who/what. The fact remains instead of proving facts, Carlos begged for the other trolls to chime in to back up his own trolls, none of which are on topic. Where the group at large will notice only the trolls chimed in to defend Carlos' trolls, which is exactly what happened the last time Carlos did that exact same thing. In that case, it was Frank who had trolled us endlessly. a. Carlos asked all the trolls to claim Frank wasn't a troll b. In which case, all the trolls chimed in, being the trolls they are Yet, the unassailable simple obvious fact remains: 1. I provided facts (cites, legal cases, software links, excerpts) 2. Carlos providing zero facts while disputing the real facts 3. And then repeatedly posted his zero-fact trolls over and over That's trolling. BTW, in my humble opinion, Carlos wouldn't necessarily have been a troll had he simply denied all facts only once, but Carlos repeated his brazen fact-free denial of all facts many times over, and, in keeping with Carlos being a troll, he never once supplied even a single fact by way of backup. The fact is Carlos trolled us in this thread by doing what he did. All the trolls in the world backing up Carlos doesn't change that fact.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" |
| Message-ID | <5iammmxeki.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155524 |
On 2026-09-02 21:18, Maria Sophia wrote: > Frank Slootweg wrote: >> Anyway, I think soon enough Nuno will be able to tell who is who/what. > > The fact remains instead of proving facts, Carlos begged for the other > trolls to chime in to back up his own trolls, none of which are on topic. > > Where the group at large will notice only the trolls chimed in to defend > Carlos' trolls, which is exactly what happened the last time Carlos did > that exact same thing. > We all know that you are the only troll here, Arlen. Don't be a child. We simply do not accept what you call facts as facts, and we tell you. Ignoring the rest, child. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 22:27 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" |
| Message-ID | <117a0rf$1pk$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155531 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > We simply do not accept what you call facts as facts I posted cites & excerpts of court cases. Those are not opinions. You may hate the result of those court cases, but they're still facts. I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions. You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts. You posted nothing but denials of all facts you dislike. Stop it.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 22:33 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" |
| Message-ID | <gqdmmmxtos.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155544 |
On 2026-09-02 22:27, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >> We simply do not accept what you call facts as facts > > I posted cites & excerpts of court cases. Those are not opinions. > You may hate the result of those court cases, but they're still facts. > > I posted cites & excerpts to Android documentation. Those are not opinions. > You may hate the result of those documents, but they're still facts. > > You posted nothing but denials of all facts you dislike. > Stop it. We argued the issue at length, and we proved you wrong. We don't need to go again over it. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-03 05:58 +0845 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" |
| Message-ID | <117a3hg$li6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155552 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > we proved you wrong. Both Andy and I provided cites to Android documents that were facts. You disputing all facts does not prove those facts wrong, Carlos. Please stop trolling this newsgroup.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-09-02 23:25 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" |
| Message-ID | <1sgmmmx7c5.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155566 |
On 2026-09-02 23:13, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >> we proved you wrong. > > Both Andy and I provided cites to Android documents that were facts. > > You disputing all facts does not prove those facts wrong, Carlos. Opinions, not facts. I contradicted you, and you replied with insults. > > Please stop trolling this newsgroup. You stop. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-03 11:36 +0845 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] "trolling" |
| Message-ID | <117anc3$221k$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155570 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > I contradicted you You claimed all facts by Andy and me were wrong, Carlos. That's fine, but then you supplied zero facts to back up your claims. That's not "contradicting" anything. That's trolling.
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 18:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <nfoi1qFc4dhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #155474 |
Maria Sophia wrote: > Given most people are incredibly rude when it comes to contacts privacy, > I looked up more about how Signal cansave contacts, which is handy. > > 1. You can keep your regular dialer for voice calls separate from Signal > 2. Just open Signal, tap the pencil/compose icon & type a number directly > > That's it. I hadn't noticed Android 17's new contact sharing ... <https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/03/contact-picker-privacy-first-contact.html> allows selective sharing of contacts, rather than all contacts, allows time-limited access to contacts
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 21:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <11778dg$2bd2$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155478 |
Andy Burns wrote:
> I hadn't noticed Android 17's new contact sharing ...
> <https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2026/03/contact-picker-privacy-first-contact.html>
> allows selective sharing of contacts, rather than all contacts,
> allows time-limited access to contacts
Hi Andy,
Thank you for understanding the situation and trying to add value, where I
already posted that information to my reply to Carlos, which is further
evidence that even Google knows that contacts protections (i.e., all or
nothing) in the current (Android 16 and below) versions is sorely lacking.
Very few people understand implications of the lack of contacts privacy.
For example, up Android can tell you which apps have permanent permission
to read our contacts, where, even then, the GUI doesn't look at all
packages. Worse, we've proved some permissions are ephemerally granted.
And the problem extends far beyond just the level of permissions granted.
What we want to know is which apps actually read them, when they read them,
what they read, whether they subsequently uploaded them and, tellingly,
what they do with them once they uploaded them (see court cases I cited).
Here's another related court case, although the contacts were only a minor
portion of the entire settlement.
*Snapchat Transmitted Users' Location and Collected Their Address Books*
*Without Notice Or Consent*
<https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2014/05/snapchat-settles-ftc-charges-promises-disappearing-messages-were-false>
The complaint specifically says Snapchat's interface suggested
it was collecting only the user's phone number, while in reality
it collected the entire address-book contacts too. Snapchat's failure
to secure its databases resulted in a security breach that enabled
attackers to compile a database of 4.6 million Snapchat usernames
and phone numbers.
That's for iOS but this is for Android, where this case specifically
mentions the flaws in Android's contact-security protection model.
*Device Squad: The story behind the FTC's first case against*
*a mobile device maker*
<https://search.ftc.gov/business-guidance/blog/2013/02/device-squad-story-behind-ftcs-first-case-against-mobile-device-maker>
"Any third-party app on a user's device that could connect to
the internet also could communicate with the logging apps.
That allowed for unauthorized access to users' phone numbers,
browsing histories, the numeric keys they pressed, contacts'
numbers, and other info best kept secure."
That case is for an OEM, but the case I provided Carlos is all Android.
*Path Social Networking App Settles FTC Charges it Deceived*
*Consumers and Improperly Collected Personal Information*
*from Users' Mobile Address Books*
<https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2013/02/path-social-networking-app-settles-ftc-charges-it-deceived-consumers-improperly-collected-personal>
"The FTC found that Path automatically collected and stored names,
addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, social-media usernames
and birthdays from users' address books, even when users hadn't
selected the feature that supposedly authorized contact collection."
To have any data in your contacts is a breach of privacy of your friends
and family, where to not have contacts is easy to manage intelligently.
It just takes knowledge and intelligence to solve this problem, where I
think Google is helping in Android 17 by tightening up the permissions.
--
Most people are surprisingly cavalier with other people's contacts.
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| From | Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-02 11:11 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1178sp8$2lkoc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #155474 |
On 2026-09-01, Maria Sophia wrote: > Hi Nuno, > > I don't use Signal, so I had to look this up for you on contacts. > <https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/9932632052378-How-to-protect-yourself-on-Signal> > > Given most people are incredibly rude when it comes to contacts privacy, > I looked up more about how Signal can *save* contacts, which is handy. > > 1. You can keep your regular dialer for voice calls separate from Signal > 2. Just open Signal, tap the pencil/compose icon & type a number directly > > That's it. > > Or save your Signal-using contacts in Signal's "Signal contacts" list. > It's apparently a separate, Signal-only address book that never touches > your system contacts. > > In addition, apparently there are 3rd-party keypad dialers that Signal can > use on Android so that we don't have to expose our contacts, given the salt > is the same for all contacts in all such VOIP apps, including WhatsApp. > <https://github.com/topics/signal-cli> It indeed seems to be able to keep its own contact list. Sadly, the interface is a bit too much of a not-so-great commercial product, with something half the way towards being a dark pattern, or even fully one: it doesn't talk about merging or using system contacts, it talks about "[finding] people you know on Signal". And doesn't seem to go away even when refused. So far so good, but I think the settings aren't very extensive, so I look forward to learning what behaviours do I have to put up with... :-P -- Nuno Silva
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-02 17:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1179eoa$1l88$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155499 |
Nuno Silva wrote: >> In addition, apparently there are 3rd-party keypad dialers that Signal can >> use on Android so that we don't have to expose our contacts, given the salt >> is the same for all contacts in all such VOIP apps, including WhatsApp. >> <https://github.com/topics/signal-cli> > > It indeed seems to be able to keep its own contact list. Sadly, the > interface is a bit too much of a not-so-great commercial product, with > something half the way towards being a dark pattern, or even fully one: > it doesn't talk about merging or using system contacts, it talks about > "[finding] people you know on Signal". And doesn't seem to go away even > when refused. > > So far so good, but I think the settings aren't very extensive, so I > look forward to learning what behaviours do I have to put up with... :-P Hi Nuno, I keep my own contacts list inside of OpenContacts, which is the only way we can keep contacts privately (we can discuss that in gory detail later). There is no way to keep contacts private if they're in the default Android sqlite contacts database, because nobody knows who is reading them & what they're doing with them (as I already cited elsewhere in this thread). I happen to know contacts rather well. I've studied them for years. People who wish to disagree with that assessment are welcome to do so, but they'll need to provide a level of detail concomitant or greater than mine. So, my point of those paragraphs above is that it's impossible to maintain contact privacy if contacts are maintained in the default sqlite database. The corollary to that assessment is that any app that claims to keep your contacts private must store them in a separate private database on Android. Signal does this. However... there's more to a VOIP app than simply how it stores contacts. I think Signal is a good product, but I tried to get my own family to use it, and they wouldn't use it because (a) they didn't need it, but more importantly, (b) it's complicated for them to set up (compared to VOIP). They'll set up WhatsApp. But not Signal. That's the hurdle, as I see it, as Signal seems to be a great app, in and of itself, but the problem is we have to get everyone we know to use it. Others may disagree but that's my assessment from my own personal attempts. -- Most people think privacy is secrecy; but privacy is mostly unlinkability.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-02 20:28 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <sf6mmmxak4.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155506 |
On 2026-09-02 17:18, Maria Sophia wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >>> In addition, apparently there are 3rd-party keypad dialers that Signal can >>> use on Android so that we don't have to expose our contacts, given the salt >>> is the same for all contacts in all such VOIP apps, including WhatsApp. >>> <https://github.com/topics/signal-cli> >> >> It indeed seems to be able to keep its own contact list. Sadly, the >> interface is a bit too much of a not-so-great commercial product, with >> something half the way towards being a dark pattern, or even fully one: >> it doesn't talk about merging or using system contacts, it talks about >> "[finding] people you know on Signal". And doesn't seem to go away even >> when refused. >> >> So far so good, but I think the settings aren't very extensive, so I >> look forward to learning what behaviours do I have to put up with... :-P > > Hi Nuno, > > I keep my own contacts list inside of OpenContacts, which is the only way > we can keep contacts privately (we can discuss that in gory detail later). > > There is no way to keep contacts private if they're in the default Android > sqlite contacts database, because nobody knows who is reading them & what > they're doing with them (as I already cited elsewhere in this thread). > > I happen to know contacts rather well. > I've studied them for years. > > People who wish to disagree with that assessment are welcome to do so, but > they'll need to provide a level of detail concomitant or greater than mine. We discussed this in big detail in the past, and the consensus was that no, people using Google Contacts are not a danger to your privacy, specially those of us living in Europe with out privacy laws. > > So, my point of those paragraphs above is that it's impossible to maintain > contact privacy if contacts are maintained in the default sqlite database. > > The corollary to that assessment is that any app that claims to keep your > contacts private must store them in a separate private database on Android. > > Signal does this. > However... there's more to a VOIP app than simply how it stores contacts. > > I think Signal is a good product, but I tried to get my own family to use > it, and they wouldn't use it because (a) they didn't need it, but more > importantly, (b) it's complicated for them to set up (compared to VOIP). > > They'll set up WhatsApp. > But not Signal. > > That's the hurdle, as I see it, as Signal seems to be a great app, in and > of itself, but the problem is we have to get everyone we know to use it. > > Others may disagree but that's my assessment from my own personal attempts. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-02 21:25 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <1179t7j$1pq6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155518 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: >> People who wish to disagree with that assessment are welcome to do so, but >> they'll need to provide a level of detail concomitant or greater than mine. > > We discussed this in big detail in the past, and the consensus was that > no, people using Google Contacts are not a danger to your privacy, > specially those of us living in Europe with out privacy laws. WTF? Who said anything specific about "Google Contacts" in this thread?
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-02 21:38 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <qiammmxeki.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155526 |
On 2026-09-02 21:25, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> People who wish to disagree with that assessment are welcome to do so, but >>> they'll need to provide a level of detail concomitant or greater than mine. >> >> We discussed this in big detail in the past, and the consensus was that >> no, people using Google Contacts are not a danger to your privacy, >> specially those of us living in Europe with out privacy laws. > > WTF? > > Who said anything specific about "Google Contacts" in this thread? LOL. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-02 22:32 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <117a14g$al0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155532 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > LOL. Instead of you constantly trolling this newsgroup, Carlos, why not provide even a single fact that backs up your denials of the docs Andy & I posted.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-02 23:00 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <9cfmmmxs12.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155547 |
On 2026-09-02 22:32, Maria Sophia wrote: > Carlos E.R. wrote: >> LOL. > > Instead of you constantly trolling this newsgroup, Carlos, why not provide > even a single fact that backs up your denials of the docs Andy & I posted. The issue is clear for everyone to see. I will not answer to you in this thread anymore. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-03 02:39 +0530 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <117a39u$b77$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155557 |
Carlos E.R. wrote: > The issue is clear for everyone to see Yes. It is. Both Andy and I provided the documentation. And I provided in addition, court cases. You provided..... Nothing but denials of all facts. Please stop trolling this newsgroup.
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 19:05 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <11770k8$24he$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155456 |
Nuno Silva wrote: > Speaking of which, how does signal fit in the rest of the system, is it > self-contained, or does it do anything like wanting to be the default > contacts app or the default messaging app? > > Does it need more than its own contact store? (I'm assuming Android's > "protected storage" for contacts, where available, at least means it > won't access contacts that haven't been explicitly allowed for other > apps, although I wish this feature also allowed to say which apps can > access which contacts or even which fields.) Hi Nuno, Every VOIP app wants your contacts but no app actually need them, as far as I'm aware, given there are dialers for all the apps that I am aware of. I have Talkatone, for example, on an iPad, and I can make calls and text over the Internet (usually on Wi-Fi as it doesn't have a SIM card slot). Looking up Signal in particular, apparently it does not ask to be your default contacts or default dialer/phone app but it "can" be your default SMS app if you set it to be so. Looking it up for you, apparently Signal's identity is phone-number-based (with a username layer added in 2024) where on iOS you can share "some" contacts but with Android read contacts permission is all or none. Looking up whether a keypad dialer exists for Signal, it does, just as it exists for WhatsApp and for Talkatone/Google Voice (where it's integrated). I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to disregard, but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has anything in their contacts that they don't own, is being exceptionally rude to friends & family. -- Most people are incredibly rude when it comes to protecting their contacts.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-09-01 19:13 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <nndjmmxbq2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #155471 |
On 2026-09-01 19:05, Maria Sophia wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> Speaking of which, how does signal fit in the rest of the system, is it >> self-contained, or does it do anything like wanting to be the default >> contacts app or the default messaging app? >> >> Does it need more than its own contact store? (I'm assuming Android's >> "protected storage" for contacts, where available, at least means it >> won't access contacts that haven't been explicitly allowed for other >> apps, although I wish this feature also allowed to say which apps can >> access which contacts or even which fields.) > > Hi Nuno, > > Every VOIP app wants your contacts but no app actually need them, as far as > I'm aware, given there are dialers for all the apps that I am aware of. > > I have Talkatone, for example, on an iPad, and I can make calls and text > over the Internet (usually on Wi-Fi as it doesn't have a SIM card slot). > > Looking up Signal in particular, apparently it does not ask to be your > default contacts or default dialer/phone app but it "can" be your default > SMS app if you set it to be so. > > Looking it up for you, apparently Signal's identity is phone-number-based > (with a username layer added in 2024) where on iOS you can share "some" > contacts but with Android read contacts permission is all or none. > > Looking up whether a keypad dialer exists for Signal, it does, just as it > exists for WhatsApp and for Talkatone/Google Voice (where it's integrated). > > I will make a moral statement though, which people can choose to disregard, > but it's based on facts, which is anyone who has anything in their contacts > that they don't own, is being exceptionally rude to friends & family. Which we have told you a million times that it is false. It is also false that it is a fact, it is only your opinion. -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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| From | Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> |
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| Date | 2026-09-01 20:52 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Signal |
| Message-ID | <11776u1$oo0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #155472 |
Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Which we have told you a million times that it is false. It is also
> false that it is a fact, it is only your opinion.
Hi Carlos,
Only a fool disputes facts. That's why they're fools after all.
Don't be a fool. You are completely ignorant of what really happens.
*Path Social Networking App Settles FTC Charges it Deceived*
*Consumers and Improperly Collected Personal Information*
*from Users' Mobile Address Books*
<https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2013/02/path-social-networking-app-settles-ftc-charges-it-deceived-consumers-improperly-collected-personal>
"The FTC found that Path automatically collected and stored names,
addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, social-media usernames
and birthdays from users' address books¡Xeven when users hadn't
selected the feature that supposedly authorized contact collection."
Normally I'd leave it at that, but I strive to make every post *add value*
which wasn't there prior, so I'll flesh that fact out with new information.
We already proved you have *no idea* what apps are reading your contacts.
By "you", I mean the royal you. Nobody (but me) knows that information.
We know that because the methods you used to look are known to be wrong.
Android's permission UI does not give users a complete audit trail of
contact access. That's just a fact. You refuse to believe that fact.
*Hands-on with Privacy Dashboard, one of Android 12's best new features*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/android-privacy-dashboard-1233846/>
"Other permissions like call logs, calendar, and phone are available
in the Privacy Dashboard but lack the useful permission history
timeline. For instance, tapping on the contacts option in the
Privacy Dashboard lets you manage your phone¡¦s contacts permission,
but it doesn't show which apps accessed that permission and when."
Remember, those who dispute known facts are simply acting like a fool.
So, it's a fact, first off, that you have no idea who is reading them.
It's also a fact, that (up until now), read contacts meant all contacts.
But that's changing, so I'm using this opportunity to provide new facts.
*Contact Picker: Privacy-First Contact Sharing*
<https://developer.android.com/blog/posts/contact-picker-privacy-first-contact-sharing>
"Historically, applications requiring access to a specific user's
contacts relied on the broad READ_CONTACTS permission.
While functional, this approach often granted apps more data than
necessary. The new Android Contact Picker, introduced in Android 17,
changes this dynamic by providing a standardized, secure,
and searchable interface for contact selection."
Anyone who disputes known facts is a fool, and you dispute those facts.
I'm simply not going to argue facts with a fool who disputes all facts.
If you have anything in your contacts dataset, you're being extremely rude
to the very friends & family who trusted you with their personal data.
--
People will cultivate contacts for years & then give them away in seconds.
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