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| First post | 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000 |
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Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 06:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-29 13:33 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-29 17:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-29 16:00 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-30 06:30 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-30 17:04 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2025-03-31 09:16 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 11:04 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 11:59 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Isaac Montara <IsaacMontara@nospam.com> - 2025-03-31 18:40 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 09:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 15:53 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-02 18:10 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 18:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 06:57 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 07:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-03 11:14 -0600
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-03 18:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 02:05 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-04 01:41 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2025-04-04 07:28 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-02 22:47 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-02 21:22 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 11:21 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 15:27 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 19:31 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 17:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-14 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-14 20:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-15 02:01 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 16:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-17 21:52 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-17 20:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-18 01:34 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-19 21:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 01:16 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 04:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 15:45 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 16:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-20 19:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-21 17:36 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-21 17:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 11:34 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 09:00 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-22 07:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of remo Oleg Nazaroff <Oleg_Nazaroff@p700.f700.n50.z2.fidonet.org.ru> - 2025-04-22 10:59 +0300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-03-31 10:49 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-03-31 18:06 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-01 10:55 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 10:59 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 16:05 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-03-31 19:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-03-31 22:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-02 02:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-02 09:03 +0100
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-02 12:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-03 09:34 +1300
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-02 23:38 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-03 14:15 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:25 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-04-04 18:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 00:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-07 18:57 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-07 20:34 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 00:45 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 00:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 02:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 06:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-08 19:19 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 10:25 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> - 2025-04-08 10:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-08 18:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:37 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:03 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 08:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:43 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:36 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:07 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:39 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 19:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:09 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-13 14:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-13 13:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-14 16:58 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-14 15:48 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 22:01 +0200
Android full backup. (was: A good thing or a bad thing) Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 13:18 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:22 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-15 18:27 +0000
Re: Android full backup. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:31 +0200
Re: Android full backup. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-15 23:24 -0400
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-16 05:24 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-18 17:36 +0000
Re: Android full backup. Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-18 10:49 -0700
Re: Android full backup. Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-25 00:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-16 20:53 +1000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 08:28 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:10 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 14:41 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:54 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-16 17:24 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 18:52 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 01:15 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 23:45 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 08:26 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 11:08 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-17 09:01 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-17 21:43 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-16 13:25 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:56 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 00:26 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-14 18:10 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-14 21:22 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 16:11 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 09:31 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 17:54 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-15 18:09 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-15 11:26 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-15 21:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-08 09:42 -0700
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-08 22:50 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:57 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-08 22:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 01:19 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-09 12:42 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-12 00:18 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-12 22:51 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-09 16:24 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 05:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2025-04-09 13:55 -0400
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:55 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:31 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 20:58 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:39 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 09:45 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-09 12:29 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 15:35 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 17:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:29 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-09 19:33 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:21 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-04-11 09:40 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 12:00 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 15:04 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-11 19:49 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-04-12 02:20 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-12 04:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000
Re: A good thing or a bad thing (Was: Tutorial: Working example of removing & re-installing Android system apps from a PC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 19:49 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtbroi$2f7a3$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147763 |
On 4/11/25 11:36 AM, Marion wrote: >On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:04:04 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote : >> Sometimes I use an old backed up apk even when the Play Store and/or Amazon >> Appstore still has the app available because I like the old version better. >> Course I have to turn off the automatic app updates and do them manually, a >> bit of a PITA but then I've got lots of free time... >How is it a "bit of a pita" when every APK you installed is always >automatically saved to your Windows PC (as Android is mounted as a drive)? > <https://i.postimg.cc/hjkVFyqJ/scrcpy07.jpg> Android mnt as drive letter I think you misunderstood me. Let me give an example. I'm now posting using an Amazon Fire HD10 tablet. It came with the Amazon Appstore. I have since installed Google stuff on it and thus it also has the Play Store. Both stores came set to automatically update apps. So when I install an old preferred apk version of a still available (in the stores) app on this tablet it wouldn't stay old long because one of the stores would automatically update it to the current version. So I've turned off auto-updating in both stores. The PITA is that I now have to periodically check both stores and manually update the other apps that do need updates... >All you do is select APKs in Windows File Explore GUI, and just slide them Perhaps you missed it but I announced here a few weeks ago that I had a religious experience and gave away all my Windows stuff. I am now going exclusively to the Google/Android church. I do get the shakes sometimes cause I do kinda miss the old TB newsreader. On the other hand PhoNew's one group only posting defect/feature keeps me safe and out of the group wars... >over to the two-foot-tall Android image on the monitor to install them > <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag & drop APK to install > >You can install a thousand APKs in a single action. > > *How is drag-and-drop a PITA?* > >Especially when the APKs are saved, hands off, totally automatically. > <https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: === Android > >Re-use of Android APKs is, I'd wager, the easiest of all platforms.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-12 01:01 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtce25$18mr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147766 |
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 19:49:38 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote : >>How is it a "bit of a pita" when every APK you installed is always >>automatically saved to your Windows PC (as Android is mounted as a drive)? >> <https://i.postimg.cc/hjkVFyqJ/scrcpy07.jpg> Android mnt as drive letter > > I think you misunderstood me. Let me give an example. I'm now posting using > an Amazon Fire HD10 tablet. It came with the Amazon Appstore. I have since > installed Google stuff on it and thus it also has the Play Store. Both > stores came set to automatically update apps. Oh. I'm sorry. You're right. I don't use a newsreader so I don't know whom I'm speaking with (unless I specifically look at the attribute line). I thought you were the guy who was trying to claim that Android APKs are done similarly to iOS IPAs, which put me in a bad mood responding to him. I apologize for being a dolt. > So when I install an old preferred apk version of a still available (in the > stores) app on this tablet it wouldn't stay old long because one of the > stores would automatically update it to the current version. Yup. I agree. Your observation of what happens is likely what happens to most people, and, in fact, my wife drives me nuts because I put the last known good version of PulseSMS on her phone and she lets it update! Obviously I don't even have the Google Play Store app on my phone, so any update that it might do, it can't do - simply because it doesn't exist. :) But I do have the FOSS Google Play Store apps, which will update by default (so obviously I turn that off for the reasons you so helpfully explained). > So I've turned off auto-updating in both stores. The PITA is that I now have > to periodically check both stores and manually update the other apps that > do need updates... Yes. I agree. Although there _is_ a solution which most people don't know. That solution is NOT intuitive. It's completely unintuitive in fact. Actually, what I'm going to tell you only one in a million people (my estimate) have any inkling of - and I only know it because I'm not the kind of guy that assumes things so I only know it because I *tested* it out. On Android, the Google Play Store app has a checkbox to "update apps" but in reality, it updates almost nothing. Yup. Almost nothing. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsXKj7WK/updateallapps01.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/4djB69pr/updateallapps02.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/02xKj04h/updateallapps03.jpg> <https://i.postimg.cc/3xxyCJYB/updateallapps04.jpg> The funny thing is it does that update of almost nothing without you even being logged into a Google Account on your phone. Ask me how I know that. There are threads on this where I tested the Google App Store update against "real" updaters, and the difference was completely shocking. The real updaters go onto the Google Play Store repository and for every app that has an update, they give you a GUI that you can update it. If you want to update it. You don't have to. But what's SHOCKING different is the Google Play Store update mechanism is shocking deficient. It's so bad I'd assess it at almost totally worthless. Even the Apple Play Store update mechanism is better than that of Google. In summary, and this is *important* because everyone "assumes" (incorrectly) that the Google Play Store "update" mechanism will update all your apps that have available updates in the Google Play repo. It does not. It's not even close. You can see that easily by running two steps that I've run so I know this. 1. Update using the Google Play Store update mechanism, and then, 2. Run a real updater. You'll be shocked at the differences (hundreds of updates are missing!). Not to give you too much information, but there are updaters and there are updaters, where some updaters actually look at other repositories, while other updaters only look at the Google Play Store repository. Here are some from my notes... if you're interested in checking them out. 1. Obtainium <https://github.com/ImranR98/Obtainium> GitHub, GitLab, SourceForge, F-Droid, IzzyOnDroid, APKPure, Aptoide, Uptodown, APKMirror (Track-Only), etc. 2. APK Updater <https://github.com/rumboalla/apkupdater> GitHub, GitLab, F-Droid, APKPure, Aptoide, APKMirror, IzzyOnDroid, etc. 3. App Updater <com.update.software.updateallapps> (has ads) Google Play Store repository
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| From | AJL <noemail@none.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-12 02:20 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtcim8$37a17$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147767 |
On 4/11/25 6:01 PM, Marion wrote: >On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 19:49:38 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote : > > >>>How is it a "bit of a pita" when every APK you installed is always >>>automatically saved to your Windows PC (as Android is mounted as a drive)? >>> <https://i.postimg.cc/hjkVFyqJ/scrcpy07.jpg> Android mnt as drive letter >> >> I think you misunderstood me. Let me give an example. I'm now posting using >> an Amazon Fire HD10 tablet. It came with the Amazon Appstore. I have since >> installed Google stuff on it and thus it also has the Play Store. Both >> stores came set to automatically update apps. > >Oh. I'm sorry. You're right. I don't use a newsreader so I don't know whom >I'm speaking with (unless I specifically look at the attribute line). > >I thought you were the guy who was trying to claim that Android APKs are >done similarly to iOS IPAs, which put me in a bad mood responding to him. > >I apologize for being a dolt. > >> So when I install an old preferred apk version of a still available (in the >> stores) app on this tablet it wouldn't stay old long because one of the >> stores would automatically update it to the current version. > >Yup. I agree. Your observation of what happens is likely what happens to >most people, and, in fact, my wife drives me nuts because I put the last >known good version of PulseSMS on her phone and she lets it update! > >Obviously I don't even have the Google Play Store app on my phone, so any >update that it might do, it can't do - simply because it doesn't exist. :) > >But I do have the FOSS Google Play Store apps, which will update by default >(so obviously I turn that off for the reasons you so helpfully explained). > >> So I've turned off auto-updating in both stores. The PITA is that I now have >> to periodically check both stores and manually update the other apps that >> do need updates... > >Yes. I agree. Although there _is_ a solution which most people don't know. >That solution is NOT intuitive. It's completely unintuitive in fact. > >Actually, what I'm going to tell you only one in a million people (my >estimate) have any inkling of - and I only know it because I'm not the kind >of guy that assumes things so I only know it because I *tested* it out. > >On Android, the Google Play Store app has a checkbox to "update apps" but >in reality, it updates almost nothing. Yup. Almost nothing. > <https://i.postimg.cc/HsXKj7WK/updateallapps01.jpg> > <https://i.postimg.cc/4djB69pr/updateallapps02.jpg> > <https://i.postimg.cc/02xKj04h/updateallapps03.jpg> > <https://i.postimg.cc/3xxyCJYB/updateallapps04.jpg> > >The funny thing is it does that update of almost nothing without you even >being logged into a Google Account on your phone. Ask me how I know that. > >There are threads on this where I tested the Google App Store update >against "real" updaters, and the difference was completely shocking. >The real updaters go onto the Google Play Store repository and for every >app that has an update, they give you a GUI that you can update it. >If you want to update it. >You don't have to. >But what's SHOCKING different is the Google Play Store update mechanism is >shocking deficient. It's so bad I'd assess it at almost totally worthless. I'm satisfied with how the Play Store updates this Amazon tablet considering that Google is a trespasser. When I check every few days (because auto-update is off) there usually are apps wanting update so it's working, perhaps not to your standards, but good enough for me (YMMV). And some apps wanting update in the Play Store were originally installed from the Amazon Appstore. Apparently Amazon uses older app versions that Google wants to update which I suppose is logical since the Fire OS is based on an earlier Android version. >Even the Apple Play Store update mechanism is better than that of Google. >In summary, and this is *important* because everyone "assumes" >(incorrectly) that the Google Play Store "update" mechanism will update all >your apps that have available updates in the Google Play repo. >It does not. >It's not even close. >You can see that easily by running two steps that I've run so I know this. >1. Update using the Google Play Store update mechanism, and then, >2. Run a real updater. >You'll be shocked at the differences (hundreds of updates are missing!). >Not to give you too much information, but there are updaters and there are >updaters, where some updaters actually look at other repositories, while >other updaters only look at the Google Play Store repository. Thanks for the info but I think I'd be pushing things trying to mod this tablet any more. It works as well as some much higher priced Android tablets I've had in the past. And it's light and very comfortable to hold. Amazon still updates the tablet OS from time to time and I do worry that one day it will kick Google out... 8-O BTW, For anyone reading this and thinking of trying the same Amazon/Google mod there is another benefit. Amazon Fire tablets come with ads on the lockscreen. For $30US Amazon will remove the ads. But with this Google mod the lockscreen ads go away, no 30 bucks needed. Take that Amazon... >Here are some from my notes... if you're interested in checking them out. >1. Obtainium <https://github.com/ImranR98/Obtainium> > GitHub, GitLab, SourceForge, F-Droid, IzzyOnDroid, > APKPure, Aptoide, Uptodown, APKMirror (Track-Only), etc. >2. APK Updater <https://github.com/rumboalla/apkupdater> > GitHub, GitLab, F-Droid, APKPure, Aptoide, APKMirror, IzzyOnDroid, etc. >3. App Updater <com.update.software.updateallapps> (has ads) > Google Play Store repository
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-12 04:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtcrha$2hmr$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147768 |
On Sat, 12 Apr 2025 02:20:57 -0000 (UTC), AJL wrote : >>But what's SHOCKING different is the Google Play Store update mechanism is >>shocking deficient. It's so bad I'd assess it at almost totally worthless. > > I'm satisfied with how the Play Store updates this Amazon tablet considering > that Google is a trespasser. When I check every few days (because > auto-update is off) there usually are apps wanting update so it's working, > perhaps not to your standards, but good enough for me (YMMV). And some apps > wanting update in the Play Store were originally installed from the Amazon > Appstore. Apparently Amazon uses older app versions that Google wants to > update which I suppose is logical since the Fire OS is based on an earlier > Android version. If it's working for you, that's all that matters. I don't do Amazon or Samsung stores, but I often have an app that I don't remember if it came from F-Droid, Google Play, GitHub, or what, but the "signatures" get in the way of updating it. I never bothered to figure out a real solution. So I just uninstall it completely. And re-install the update. That always works. >>You'll be shocked at the differences (hundreds of updates are missing!). >>Not to give you too much information, but there are updaters and there are >>updaters, where some updaters actually look at other repositories, while >>other updaters only look at the Google Play Store repository. > > Thanks for the info but I think I'd be pushing things trying to mod this > tablet any more. It works as well as some much higher priced Android > tablets I've had in the past. And it's light and very comfortable to hold. > Amazon still updates the tablet OS from time to time and I do worry that > one day it will kick Google out... 8-O Personally, I think Android has matured, so the version isn't all that important. Same with iOS and Windows. Linux too but I haven't used Ubuntu or CentOS in a long time so I'm out of that arena lately. > BTW, For anyone reading this and thinking of trying the same Amazon/Google > mod there is another benefit. Amazon Fire tablets come with ads on the > lockscreen. For $30US Amazon will remove the ads. But with this Google mod > the lockscreen ads go away, no 30 bucks needed. Take that Amazon... Good for you that you found a way around the ads. I don't think I've seen an ad in a while, although I did see one in the cartoonify apps so about once every few months I see an ad (but only in apps like the cartooning). With over 900 apps on my phone, only 1 or 2 have ads, so that's not too shabby either. We both found a way to remove them - and that's good.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 15:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <m5sr89Fp4c5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147758 |
On 2025-04-11, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-09 17:35: >> >> > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: >> >> Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: >> >> >> >> [...] >> >>> When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a >> >>> provisioning profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer >> >>> account and a set of authorized devices. For apps downloaded from >> >>> the App Store, this process is managed by Apple and linked to your >> >>> Apple ID. >> >>> >> >>> All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open >> >>> source" suffer this process, since every single app ever >> >>> downloaded from Apple's App Store restricts their usage to the >> >>> Apple ID that originally downloaded them. >> >> >> >> Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be >> >> downloaded again from the original source. >> > >> > I have no beef in this (non-)discussion, but you can only download >> > again, if the "original source" still exists! >> >> Which also applies to Android. So what? > > Ah! You now resort to lying by omission? In the (big) part you > 'conveniently' silently snipped, I specificall said (amongst others) > "That's why I save Android APKs ...". I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every version going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am doing is impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all this time? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 17:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtbqnu.op8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147760 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2025-04-11, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > >> Frank Slootweg, 2025-04-09 17:35: > >> > >> > Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote: > >> >> Marion, 2025-04-07 22:34: > >> >> > >> >> [...] > >> >>> When an IPA is installed on an iOS device, it's signed with a > >> >>> provisioning profile that is tied to a specific Apple Developer > >> >>> account and a set of authorized devices. For apps downloaded from > >> >>> the App Store, this process is managed by Apple and linked to your > >> >>> Apple ID. > >> >>> > >> >>> All apps, even those which might be considered "free & open > >> >>> source" suffer this process, since every single app ever > >> >>> downloaded from Apple's App Store restricts their usage to the > >> >>> Apple ID that originally downloaded them. > >> >> > >> >> Well - in that case this is irrelevant, since free apps can be > >> >> downloaded again from the original source. > >> > > >> > I have no beef in this (non-)discussion, but you can only download > >> > again, if the "original source" still exists! > >> > >> Which also applies to Android. So what? > > > > Ah! You now resort to lying by omission? In the (big) part you > > 'conveniently' silently snipped, I specificall said (amongst others) > > "That's why I save Android APKs ...". > > I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every version > going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am doing is > impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all this time? You tell *them*! As I said, "I have no beef in this (non-)discussion," But I also thought that you could backup and restore iOS apps. At least that's what You Guys (TM) have been telling us. I don't know either way, because I don't have any iOS devices. [Rewind/repeat:] Now back to lurking. Can somebody please pass the popcorn?
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-11 18:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vtboc9$1jnt$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147761 |
On 11 Apr 2025 17:32:43 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote : >> I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every version >> going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am doing is >> impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all this time? > > You tell *them*! As I said, "I have no beef in this (non-)discussion," > > But I also thought that you could backup and restore iOS apps. At > least that's what You Guys (TM) have been telling us. > > I don't know either way, because I don't have any iOS devices. Frank, Please don't be bamboozled by the deceitful Apple troll's lies. I do have iOS devices, Frank. Plenty. And I know how iTunes works. So does Jolly Roger. He's lying. C'mon Jolly Roger. Tell us that you installed the current Windows iTunes 12.13.7.1 and then you did a full backup & you were able to save the IPA. I could stop there to see the lies that unprepossessing troll spews... But suffice to save time for everyone to say the M$ iTunes backup is here: C:\Users\JR\Apple\MobileSync\Backup Or here, if you installed the current latest iTunes from Apple: C:\Users\JR\AppData\Roaming\Apple Computer\MobileSync\Backup FACT: It does NOT contain the IPA. Anyone who says it does, as Jolly Roger implied, is a duplicitous liar. Since most people on this newsgroup are not aware these Apple trolls like Jolly Roger are deceitful liars, ask Jolly Roger how old his iTunes is. HINT: Windows iTunes hasn't saved an IPA since the 12.7 version in 2017.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-14 03:32 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <m63dtlFqn10U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #147764 |
On 2025-04-11, Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote: > On 11 Apr 2025 17:32:43 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote : > >>> I've been backing up my iOS app IPAs for years, and have every >>> version going back to around 2008 archived. Apparently what I am >>> doing is impossible or something. What have I been doing wrong all >>> this time? >> >> You tell *them*! As I said, "I have no beef in this >> (non-)discussion," >> >> But I also thought that you could backup and restore iOS apps. At >> least that's what You Guys (TM) have been telling us. >> >> I don't know either way, because I don't have any iOS devices. > > Frank, > > Please don't be bamboozled by the deceitful Apple troll's lies. > > I do have iOS devices, Frank. Plenty. And I know how iTunes works. So > does Jolly Roger. He's lying. > > C'mon Jolly Roger. Tell us that you installed the current Windows > iTunes 12.13.7.1 and then you did a full backup & you were able to > save the IPA. I've explained in detail how to back up IPA files of the apps you've installed right here in these newsgroups, and clearly you ignored it then. You're the *last* person I'm going to repeat myself to. Fuck off if you can't be bothered to read what I already told you. Your trolls are ultra-weak which is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows better. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-14 05:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: A good thing or a bad thing |
| Message-ID | <vti575$1gcs$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147790 |
On 14 Apr 2025 03:32:05 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote : >> C'mon Jolly Roger. Tell us that you installed the current Windows >> iTunes 12.13.7.1 and then you did a full backup & you were able to >> save the IPA. > > I've explained in detail how to back up IPA files of the apps you've > installed right here in these newsgroups, and clearly you ignored it > then. You're the *last* person I'm going to repeat myself to. Fuck off > if you can't be bothered to read what I already told you. Your trolls > are ultra-weak which is blatantly obvious to anyone who knows better. Heh heh heh... You knew you were lying when you said the current Windows iTunes will back up an iOS IPA because it hasn't done that since the 12.7 version in 2017. These Apple trolls like Jolly Roger can only survive on the child-like Apple newsgroups because most Apple users have no idea how things work. Suffice to say, that iOS is the *only* operating system where you can't even back up your IPAs. And even if you did, you can't re-use them because iOS is the only operating system where each installer is locked to you. And that's bad.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-06 13:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5h4aclxchm.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147523 |
On 2025-04-03 01:38, Marion wrote: > On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : > > >>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>> >>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>> you? >>> >>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >> >> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >> the various Apple operating systems themselves. > > There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. > > What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. > That's bad. Then it is not Free software. Free as in Freedom. > > What's common about all other operating systems is that you can. > That's good. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-07 09:45 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <vsusme$21apf$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147666 |
On 2025-04-06 11:18:29 +0000, Carlos E.R. said: > On 2025-04-03 01:38, Marion wrote: >> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote : >>>>>> But Apple is a commercial system. They do not provide free software. >>>>> >>>>> The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Apple funding goes to LLVM and >>>>> CUPS, that I can think of. Does that count as ´providing¡ Free software to >>>>> you? >>>> >>>> Ok, agreed, they do provide some free software. >>> >>> Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple >>> devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, >>> Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus >>> the various Apple operating systems themselves. >> >> There is a ton of "free software" for both iOS and for Android. >> >> What's unique about iOS is that you can't re-use that free software. >> That's bad. > > Then it is not Free software. Free as in Freedom. "Marion" is simply a brainless anti-Apple know-nothing troll. Please just ignore / killfile the moron and stop re-cross-posting the crap. >> What's common about all other operating systems is that you can. >> That's good.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 21:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt6oq0$2p86$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147675 |
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 09:45:51 +1200, Your Name wrote : > simply a brainless anti-Apple know-nothing troll. These are technical newsgroups... and this is a technical subject. The adults will notice we're talking how iOS is different from all other operating systems, e.g., an app backup is essentially impossible on iOS. And yet, the Apple trolls (like Your Name) hate that we're discussing this technical feature of iOS which - let's face it - is unique among systems. Only Apple doesn't allow iOS users the common decency of an app backup. The only thing Apple allows the poor iOS user to back up is the app data. But not the app. And that's bad.
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| From | Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-09 17:39 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vt6t06$1k2ph$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147734 |
Marion wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 2025 09:45:51 +1200, Your Name wrote : > > >> simply a brainless anti-Apple know-nothing troll. > > These are technical newsgroups... and this is a technical subject. > > The adults will notice we're talking how iOS is different from all other > operating systems, e.g., an app backup is essentially impossible on iOS. > > And yet, the Apple trolls (like Your Name) hate that we're discussing this > technical feature of iOS which - let's face it - is unique among systems. > > Only Apple doesn't allow iOS users the common decency of an app backup. > The only thing Apple allows the poor iOS user to back up is the app data. > > But not the app. > And that's bad. > So, why does this matter, Arlen? When you do a restore on an apple gadget (Iphone, Ipad, etc), it downloads the latest version from the apple "store". And since it DOES save the app's data, that will put things back exactly as they were. Only exception is if you were using an old version, no longer offered on the "store" ... then you're just fucked.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-10 08:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt7tu2$1bt5$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147737 |
On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 17:39:59 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote : > So, why does this matter? When you do a restore on an apple > gadget (Iphone, Ipad, etc), it downloads the latest version from the > apple "store". And since it DOES save the app's data, that will put > things back exactly as they were. > > Only exception is if you were using an old version, no longer offered on > the "store" ... then you're just fucked. Why does it matter? Are you nuts? It's extremely important to back up apps. Think about what Windows?Android/Linux users would say if you told them it's impossible for them to back up their saved program installers. I must have half a dozen (at least) last known good versions on my PC. And a few on Android. Only Apple makes it impossible for the user to back up their installers. Nobody else but Apple users would put up with that crap. Quiz: Q: *Which common consumer operating system makes app backups impossible?* A: a. Apple iOS b. Microsoft Windows c. Android *YOU MUST PICK ONE!* Q: Which user base is timid sheep who would accept that horrid restriction? A: (see above) -- It's amazing how primitive subterranean caverns are in the Apple ecosystem.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-10 13:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <6alkclxopp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147739 |
On 2025-04-10 10:02, Marion wrote: > On Wed, 9 Apr 2025 17:39:59 -0500, Hank Rogers wrote : > > >> So, why does this matter? When you do a restore on an apple >> gadget (Iphone, Ipad, etc), it downloads the latest version from the >> apple "store". And since it DOES save the app's data, that will put >> things back exactly as they were. >> >> Only exception is if you were using an old version, no longer offered on >> the "store" ... then you're just fucked. > > Why does it matter? Are you nuts? It's extremely important to back up apps. > > Think about what Windows?Android/Linux users would say if you told them > it's impossible for them to back up their saved program installers. Ok, I understand your point. However, I don't do backups/restore on Android either. I simply let Google Play reinstall everything in the list. This is what most people do. I do make backups. That is, I connect the phone to the Linux computer (some how, the method varies) and copy every file in sight. Some files refuse to be copied, though. And this allows me to do a data restore of some apps. Applies specially to photos and maybe to WhatsApp. But a true backup/restore strategy like I have on Windows or Linux? Nope. About Android saving the APK. I have never used that to reinstall an app. In fact, there are cleaning utilities that delete the old APKs to make up free space. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-10 19:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt9529$1nhe$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147743 |
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 13:06:14 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :
>> Think about what Windows?Android/Linux users would say if you told them
>> it's impossible for them to back up their saved program installers.
>
> Ok, I understand your point.
Hi Carlos,
Thank you for understanding that what iOS users put up with in the
subterranean caves called the "ecosystem", nobody else would accept.
On iOS, an app backup is impossible.
That's bad.
> However, I don't do backups/restore on Android either.
An example is I have the last known good version of Paint Shop Pro on
Windows, which, if it were iOS, would be *impossible* to have saved.
On iOS, installing the last known good version of anything is impossible.
That's bad.
> I simply let Google Play reinstall everything in the
> list.
On all my Android devices, I have the last known good version of PulseSMS,
which, let's just say, is the best SMS/MMS messenger on the planet (IMHO).
Since PulseSMS was bought by MapleMedia, I use the last known good version.
<https://tinyurl.com/pulsesms> LNGV
Installing a lastknowngoodversion on your iOS devices would be impossible.
That's bad.
> This is what most people do.
There are a lot of people who have older (non-subscription) versions of
Microsoft Office which install just fine on each of their Windows PCs.
If their PC were iOS, installing that old MS Office would be impossible.
That's bad.
> I do make backups.
I have a backup of my Adobe Acrobat Professional version 6 on my PC.
I've installed it on every PC in my household for, oh, maybe 15 years.
If my PCs were iOS, installing that older version would be impossible.
That's bad.
> That is, I connect the phone to the Linux computer
> (some how, the method varies) and copy every file in sight.
It's amazing how well Linux works when you connect even an iOS device.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu iFuse is just magical
Linux has "iFuse" which allows very easy file transfer from iOS also.
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Linux, win10 & iOS together
Linux works great with iFuse!
That's good.
> Some files refuse to be copied, though.
There are partitions in Android that are NOT readable to the 0 user.
An example is /etc, but even system partitions are accessible to adb.
C:\> adb pull /system/etc/hosts .\hosts.txt
[That should copy the hosts file over even if you're unrooted.]
> And this allows me to do a data restore of some apps.
Understood that restoring data to some apps can be tricky because of the
Android sandboxing - and due to whether an APK is "debuggable" or not.
Android 12 and up is much harder to access non-debuggable app sandboxes.
> Applies specially to photos and maybe to WhatsApp.
There's a user-accessible folder for WhatsApp that has all the media, but I
haven't checked if there's a user-accessible folder for all the messages.
> But a true backup/restore strategy like I have on Windows or Linux?
> Nope.
With adb, you can backup/restore all your APKs with a single command.
Here's the command to backup a single APK for example.
C:\> adb pull $(adb shell pm path com.app) .
It's getting increasingly difficult with each Android version for data.
C:\> adb backup -apk com.your.app.package -f mydata.ab
Note: You can't selectively choose which data within the app's sandbox to
back up using this method. It's an all-or-nothing approach (if allowed).
In Muntashirakon, you can check if the flags allow backup of the data.
android:allowBackup="false"
For every app that allows backup, you can back up the app & data en masse.
(using adb backup -apk -noshared -all) resulting in an archive (.ab file).
Then you can restore the app and the app data from that complete backup.
C:\> adb restore com.app.ab
> About Android saving the APK.
What's unique about Android is if the app is installed (either by the OEM
or by the carrier or by you) the APK *will always be saved* automatically.
That's good.
> I have never used that to reinstall an app.
And, you can find & backup that original installer *in every single case*!
C:\> adb shell pm list packages | findstr osmand (or use grep on Linux)
package:net.osmand.plus
> In fact, there are cleaning utilities that delete the old APKs to
> make up free space.
No they don't. Not unless you're rooted.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-10 21:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <95jlclxtog.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #147746 |
On 2025-04-10 21:10, Marion wrote: ... >> In fact, there are cleaning utilities that delete the old APKs to >> make up free space. > No they don't. Not unless you're rooted. AFAIK the old ES Explorer or ES Admin did. The app was removed from the store, they did bad and illegal things, but I still have some old version in an old phone (decommissioned, no SIM). -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Marion <marion@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-10 23:15 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vt9je1$73d$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #147747 |
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 21:35:37 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote : >>> In fact, there are cleaning utilities that delete the old APKs to >>> make up free space. >> No they don't. Not unless you're rooted. > > AFAIK the old ES Explorer or ES Admin did. The app was removed from the > store, they did bad and illegal things, but I still have some old > version in an old phone (decommissioned, no SIM). I know. We all used that same crap cleaner (just as we did on Windows before CCleaner got bought over by the dark side) and just as MapleMedia bought the KlinkerBros' PulseSMS messenger, some swing to the dark side. As far as I'm aware, nowadays, Android doesn't let you delete that APK that Android itself stores in the privileged areas of the Android file system. Anyway, the main point (of this good/bad) thread is that iOS is unique not only in NOT letting you re-use your free apps, but iOS is also unique in that iOS won't ever even let you back them up. That's bad. Who puts up with an operating system that forbids app backups? Most people don't know this - but we're technical people who need to know.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-04-05 22:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vsscgj$3eh6b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #147519 |
On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 09:34:53 +1300, Your Name wrote: > Apple of course provides a ton of free software for users of Apple > devices, including iMovie, Garage Band, Mail, Safari, Passwords, Pages, > Numbers, Keynote, Music, Messages, Photos, Time Machine, etc. ... plus > the various Apple operating systems themselves. Freeware <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware> is not Free software <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software>.
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