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Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today

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First post2024-05-31 17:20 -0400
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  Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-05-31 17:20 -0400
    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-05-31 14:21 -0700
      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-01 12:06 +0100
      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 14:18 +0100
        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 00:00 -0400
          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-02 08:34 +0100
            Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-02 19:45 +0000
              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-06-02 16:49 -0400
                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-02 22:39 +0100
                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-06-02 18:17 -0400
                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 12:48 +0100
                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-06-03 12:16 +1200
                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 07:19 +0100
                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@air.isp.spam> - 2024-06-03 12:12 -0400
          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 14:20 +0200
    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-31 19:27 -0400
      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-06-01 18:39 +1200
        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 00:03 -0400
          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-06-02 07:18 +0200
    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-06-01 08:05 +0200
      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 00:06 -0400
        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-06-02 07:05 +0200
          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 11:25 -0400
    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 11:43 +0000
    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 08:50 -0400
      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 14:24 +0100
        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 10:37 -0400
          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-06-01 11:11 -0400
            Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 13:43 -0400
              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 19:26 +0100
                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-01 20:15 +0100
                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-02 00:23 +0100
                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 22:37 -0700
                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-02 08:57 -0400
                        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-02 19:00 +0100
                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-02 15:20 -0400
                            Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-02 20:24 +0100
                              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-02 21:44 -0400
                                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-03 03:42 +0100
                                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 07:17 +0000
                                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 08:34 +0100
                                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 09:08 +0000
                                        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 10:36 +0100
                                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 11:01 +0000
                                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 09:32 +0000
                                        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 10:45 +0100
                                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 11:10 +0000
                                            Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 14:52 +0000
                                              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 17:43 +0200
                                                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 18:01 +0000
                                                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 21:03 +0000
                                                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 08:58 +0000
                                                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 11:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 16:11 +0000
                                                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 16:53 +0000
                                                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-11 17:19 +0200
                                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 09:08 -0400
                                            Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 20:13 +0000
                                              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 05:19 +0000
                                                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-11 17:21 +0200
                                                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-06-11 16:47 +0000
                                              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-04 09:55 +0100
                                                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 11:51 +0000
                                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 17:43 +0200
                                            Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 20:42 +0000
                                              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-03 20:53 +0000
                                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 08:08 -0400
                                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 07:21 +0100
                                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 08:13 -0400
                                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Peter <confused@nospam.net> - 2024-06-04 06:20 +0100
                                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 07:19 +0100
                                        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-04 08:09 -0400
                                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 13:31 +0100
                                            Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-04 08:53 -0400
                                              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 14:22 +0100
                                              Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-06-04 16:01 +0000
                                                Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 17:14 +0100
                                                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-04 16:48 +0000
                                                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-04 18:38 +0100
                                                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andrew <andrew@spam.net> - 2024-06-05 04:49 +0000
                                                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-06-04 16:58 -0400
                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-02 22:50 +0100
                      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-06-02 19:41 +0200
                        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> - 2024-06-02 15:18 -0400
                          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> - 2024-06-02 21:31 +0200
                        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-06-02 22:28 -0400
                  Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-01 20:26 -0400
                    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-06-02 09:04 +0100
          Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-01 16:13 +0100
      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-06-03 16:25 +0100
        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2024-06-03 18:08 +0100
        Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-06-03 16:14 -0400
    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 11:56 -0700
      Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2024-06-02 15:36 -0400
    Re: Turn your device completely off once a week as per advice from the NSA today Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-06-03 14:18 +0200

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#141810

Frombad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net>
Date2024-06-04 16:58 -0400
Message-ID<OZ6cnXTh_5J34sL7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#141801
On 6/4/24 12:48, Andrew wrote:

> I don't want to be in either Apple's or Google's findmy(device) databases.
> Any advice there?

Have only one, the Miami device, the one between your legs :-)



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#141722

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2024-06-02 22:50 +0100
Message-ID<lc47pgFlivoU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#141711
Peter wrote:

> Both Google's and Apple's latest phones don't allow you to turn them off
> for real. The iPhones and the latest Pixels are still running Google's and
> Apple's tracking activities even when you think you've turned them off.

Now, I don't claim to know or care much about Apple products, but I 
think airtags are relatively popular?  Because of that, Google were 
/bound/ to want to match that feature, hence the [very] new 
functionality to findmydevice.

Yes, in a limited sense certain parts of your phone may never be "off", 
I suspect we don't know yet whether disabling the findmydevice feature 
*does* allow it to be really off.

Some people were paranoid about the covid tracking feature, but you 
could turn it off, or not install the app, and I don't remember any 
actual issue with it in the end?

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#141710

FromBill Powell <bill@anarchists.org>
Date2024-06-02 19:41 +0200
Message-ID<v3iast$3jlv$1@matrix.hispagatos.org>
In reply to#141702
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 22:37:15 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> Why would a radio be bluetooth?

There are probably five to ten different radios on any given smartphone.

Radio spectrum stretches from 30 Hz to 300 GHz. The lower the frequency the
longer the range. However, the lower the frequency the lower the data rate
it can support. As a result, selecting a radio spectrum comes with
tradeoffs between range and data rate.

Bluetooth technology uses the 2.4 GHz ISM spectrum band (2400 to 2483.5
MHz), which enables a good balance between range and throughput. In
addition, the 2.4 GHz band is available worldwide, making it a true
standard for low-power wireless connectivity.

https://www.bluetooth.com/learn-about-bluetooth/key-attributes/range/

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#141712

FromAlan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org>
Date2024-06-02 15:18 -0400
Message-ID<v3ighs$3fu9r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#141710
On 2024-06-02 13:41, Bill Powell wrote:

> 
> Radio spectrum stretches from 30 Hz

ELF says "hold my beer". It says it quite slowly, mind.

-- 
Fore Score and Seven Years ago our Four Fathers fought a lot.
- some guy on the Internet in the 1860's

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#141715

FromBill Powell <bill@anarchists.org>
Date2024-06-02 21:31 +0200
Message-ID<v3ih9q$3mpb$1@matrix.hispagatos.org>
In reply to#141712
On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 15:18:20 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

>> Radio spectrum stretches from 30 Hz
> 
> ELF says "hold my beer". It says it quite slowly, mind.

The question from "The Real Bev" was "Why would a radio be bluetooth?"
where since bluetooth, at 2.4GHz, is smack in the middle of the radio range
logarithm of 30 Hz to 300GHz, that question from "The Real Bev" should be
reversed as in "Why would bluetooth be a radio".

My answer was that there are many radio-frequency radios in a smartphone.

Unwanted Apple & Google tracking of people's activities by bluetooth is
just one of the ways both companies log and track much of what people do.

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#141728

Frommicky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
Date2024-06-02 22:28 -0400
Message-ID<ddaq5jlfm3t5pu9sshtkgmficppo77jmmg@4ax.com>
In reply to#141710
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 2 Jun 2024 19:41:50 +0200, Bill Powell
<bill@anarchists.org> wrote:

>On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 22:37:15 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Why would a radio be bluetooth?
>
>There are probably five to ten different radios on any given smartphone.

I'm sure I've seen articles that refer to all the transmitters in the
phone as radios.  (bluetooth, wifi, data, probably voice too although
the articles were about turning off all the radios except maybe that
one.) 
>
>Radio spectrum stretches from 30 Hz to 300 GHz. The lower the frequency the
>longer the range. However, the lower the frequency the lower the data rate
>it can support. As a result, selecting a radio spectrum comes with
>tradeoffs between range and data rate.
>
>Bluetooth technology uses the 2.4 GHz ISM spectrum band (2400 to 2483.5
>MHz), which enables a good balance between range and throughput. In
>addition, the 2.4 GHz band is available worldwide, making it a true
>standard for low-power wireless connectivity.
>
>https://www.bluetooth.com/learn-about-bluetooth/key-attributes/range/

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#141694

FromNewyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
Date2024-06-01 20:26 -0400
Message-ID<a665f69b-8a5b-3052-9626-84a1420cadbe@invalid.nospam>
In reply to#141691
On 6/1/2024 3:15 PM, Richmond wrote:
> 
> Why would anyone think that? The news article says "However, the NSA
> document does warn that the turn it off and on again advice will only
> sometimes prevent these attacks from being successful."
> 

   Do you know how that's so? I didn't see any version of this news
that explained the claim. Spearphishing has nothing to do with
resident malware. And the rest of the advice is mostly things
that few understand and fewer would do.

   I'm all for better security on cellphones, but to my mind this
is just an example of how the mainstream media feeds the public
any old clickbait, but avoids actually printing useful information.
If they did then no one would read their stuff. That's why they're
the *mainstream* media. This case was a perfect example.
Forbes took a half-baked, entirely unexplained graphic from
the NSA -- probably intended for agents -- and reduced it to
"NSA Warns iPhone And Android Users To Turn It Off And On Again".

    People read that and, like you, think they've learned how to
protect their phone from attacks with a nearly effortless trick.
It's like the way that privacy articles always tell us to delete
cookies once in awhile. That advice is not wrong, but it misleads
people into thinking they understand the issue when they really
don't.

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#141704

FromRichmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com>
Date2024-06-02 09:04 +0100
Message-ID<86frtvepnr.fsf@example.com>
In reply to#141694
Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> writes:

> On 6/1/2024 3:15 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> Why would anyone think that? The news article says "However, the NSA
>> document does warn that the turn it off and on again advice will only
>> sometimes prevent these attacks from being successful."
>> 
>
>   Do you know how that's so? I didn't see any version of this news
> that explained the claim. Spearphishing has nothing to do with
> resident malware. And the rest of the advice is mostly things
> that few understand and fewer would do.

I can only speculate, a spear fishing attack could take you to a
malicious website, which then inserts malware via a vulnerability in
your browser. This malware could remain in memory until you reboot.

>   I'm all for better security on cellphones, but to my mind this
> is just an example of how the mainstream media feeds the public
> any old clickbait, but avoids actually printing useful information.
> If they did then no one would read their stuff. That's why they're
> the *mainstream* media. This case was a perfect example.
> Forbes took a half-baked, entirely unexplained graphic from
> the NSA -- probably intended for agents -- and reduced it to
> "NSA Warns iPhone And Android Users To Turn It Off And On Again".
>
>    People read that and, like you, think they've learned how to
> protect their phone from attacks with a nearly effortless trick.

No, not like me. I didn't learn anything from the article. I reboot my
phone from time to time anyway because I already knew it is a good idea.

> It's like the way that privacy articles always tell us to delete
> cookies once in awhile. That advice is not wrong, but it misleads
> people into thinking they understand the issue when they really
> don't.

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#141686

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2024-06-01 16:13 +0100
Message-ID<lc0s45F5k8nU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#141684
Newyana2 wrote:

> The original link is to the webpage that runs script.

And did you know that was what is was going to do, before you clicked 
it?  No, but you clicked anyway.

> This link is directly to the PDF download. It might look the same
> to you if you allow PDFs to open in the browser. That's not a good
> idea, as PDFs can embed script.

I do not allow PDFs to load in the browser.

>> I posted a link to the original file (which could also do anything) 
>> but presumably you accept a DoD website is less likely to do anything 
>> "bad" than a .org website?
> 
>    You seem to be confused by allowing PDFs to load as webpages.

You guessed wrong.

> There was the original webpage. HTML loading script. There's my direct
> link to a PDF.

You think just because a URL ends in .pdf, the webserver is certain to 
send you a PDF?

> There's your link to a PDF. A webpage and a PDF are not
> the same. But they might appear to be the same if you allow PDFs to
> load in your browser.

Which I don't.

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#141763

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2024-06-03 16:25 +0100
Message-ID<lc65jsF59kU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#141680
Newyana2 wrote:

> Interesting link.

Just to make you aware, that every(?) time you reply to this group, 
you're also cc:ing individuals by email, it doesn't bother me, I wasn't 
sure if you're aware you're doing it?

If you use the reply button in TB's main toolbar it won't happen, I 
think it's the follow-up button in the message header toolbar that does 
do it ... Or maybe TB78 behaves differently?

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#141768

FromJava Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
Date2024-06-03 18:08 +0100
Message-ID<v3kta8$3vt2q$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#141763
On 03/06/2024 16:25, Andy Burns wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
> 
>> Interesting link.
> 
> Just to make you aware, that every(?) time you reply to this group, 
> you're also cc:ing individuals by email, it doesn't bother me, I wasn't 
> sure if you're aware you're doing it?
> 
> If you use the reply button in TB's main toolbar it won't happen, I 
> think it's the follow-up button in the message header toolbar that does 
> do it ... Or maybe TB78 behaves differently?

I don't think so.  In Thunderbird, usually I <rt-click> the post to 
which I intend to reply and choose 'Followup to newsgroup', but on this 
occasion I also tried the 'Followup' button in the post header in the 
Message Pane, and the resulting post had exactly the same addressing as 
my usual method, whereas clicking 'Reply' in the post header created a 
PM to your given email address.

-- 

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
www.macfh.co.uk

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#141771

FromNewyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
Date2024-06-03 16:14 -0400
Message-ID<v3l876$1l57$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#141763
On 6/3/2024 11:25 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
> 
>> Interesting link.
> 
> Just to make you aware, that every(?) time you reply to this group, 
> you're also cc:ing individuals by email, it doesn't bother me, I wasn't 
> sure if you're aware you're doing it?
> 
> If you use the reply button in TB's main toolbar it won't happen, I 
> think it's the follow-up button in the message header toolbar that does 
> do it ... Or maybe TB78 behaves differently?
> 
   Thanks. I was trying to remember to remove the direct
replies, thinking it was a quirk of newer TBird. In OE I used
to have to use Reply All or it wouldn't go through. I'm trying
your advice now.

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#141689

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2024-06-01 11:56 -0700
Message-ID<v3fqsg$2tl28$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#141667
On 5/31/24 2:20 PM, Larry Wolff wrote:
> In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA
> recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to
> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop
> on and collect data from phones.

So since I always turn my phone and computer off (along with the lights, 
TV, radio...) when I go to bed I should be safe, right?

> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices
> Does this advice hold true for PC's also?

Shouldn't such an article be linked to the NSA website?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   Q. What's the difference between Batman and Bill Gates?
   A. When Batman fought the Penguin, he won.
                                            -- J. Levine

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#141716

FromLarry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net>
Date2024-06-02 15:36 -0400
Message-ID<v3ihk9$euse$1@novabbs.org>
In reply to#141689
On 6/1/2024 8:56 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

> So since I always turn my phone and computer off (along with the lights, 
> TV, radio...) when I go to bed I should be safe, right?

You may think you're turning your phone off at night but in many phones,
particularly Apple phones and the latest Google phones, it's never off.

https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+phones+are+always+tracking+you
https://www.google.com/search?q=android+phones+are+always+tracking+you

But the operative word here is "reboot" - which is what the NSA means.

The goal is to wipe clean resident memory, I think, but people on this
group list who understand the process better can help you more than me.

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#141756

FromArno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Date2024-06-03 14:18 +0200
Message-ID<lc5qk3Ft7dnU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#141667
Larry Wolff, 2024-05-31 23:20:

> In a document detailing several mobile device best practices, the NSA 
> recommends users turn their devices off and then back on once every week to 
> protect against zero-click exploits, which attackers often use to eavesdrop 
> on and collect data from phones.
> 
> https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353-nsa-mobile-device-best-practices
> Does this advice hold true for PC's also?

Turning the device completely off will kill all running programs
including malware which an attacker managed to start. If the malware
could not install a service which starts automatically, this will
mitigate *some* possible attacks.

However, when you this only once a week, you still give an attacker up
to one week to abuse your device. So I am not sure, if this is really
that useful. Also if there may be security issues which allow malware to
gain root access and then a device reboot won't help you either.

-- 
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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