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How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free

Started byYanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr>
First post2017-01-01 12:12 +0100
Last post2017-01-10 23:53 -0500
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  How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 12:12 +0100
    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-01 11:35 -0500
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-01 18:49 +0100
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-01 14:51 -0500
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-02 02:21 +0100
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-01 20:56 +0000
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-01 16:52 -0500
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-02 02:30 +0100
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-02 03:01 -0500
              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 03:48 -0500
              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-02 15:26 +0000
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 16:18 -0500
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2017-01-02 15:08 +0700
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-02 14:28 -0500
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2017-01-03 12:28 +0700
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-03 01:22 -0500
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-03 02:00 -0500
      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-02 03:49 -0500
        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-01-02 03:59 -0600
          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> - 2017-01-02 18:16 +0700
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-01-02 05:47 -0600
            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-02 12:25 -0700
              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 02:48 +0100
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-02 18:55 -0700
                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-03 16:07 +0100
                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-03 11:09 -0700
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-03 18:55 +0000
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-04 06:05 +0100
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-01-04 08:48 -0700
                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-03 15:39 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-03 23:05 -0500
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-03 23:31 -0500
                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2017-01-05 05:49 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-04 06:05 +0100
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 01:51 -0500
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-04 11:51 -0500
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2017-01-03 16:32 +0000
                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 03:50 -0500
                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-04 10:05 +0000
                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 05:38 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2017-01-04 11:39 -0500
                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-04 10:19 -0700
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-04 17:36 -0500
                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-04 19:11 -0700
                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-05 23:18 -0500
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                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 11:50 -0500
                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-04 17:46 +0000
                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 13:04 -0500
                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-04 13:43 -0500
                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 14:12 -0500
                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-04 22:41 +0100
                                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-04 17:01 -0500
                                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-04 22:36 +0000
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                                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-05 05:12 +0000
                                        Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-01-05 00:20 -0500
                                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Yanis Bernard <YanisBernards_jonque@orange.fr> - 2017-01-05 05:54 +0000
                                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2017-01-06 20:28 -0500
                                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-05 07:42 +0000
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                                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 00:15 +0000
                                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-05 19:39 -0500
                                          Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 00:13 +0000
                                            Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-05 18:46 -0700
                                              Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 04:37 +0000
                                                Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free AL <45364747@invalid.com> - 2017-01-05 23:47 -0700
                                                  Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-06 09:09 +0000
                                                    Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-06 17:40 -0500
                                                      Re: How US customers traveling abroad can call their cellular carrier support number toll free Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-07 01:28 +0000
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#37652

FromAL <4567784747@invalid.com>
Date2017-01-10 22:13 -0700
Message-ID<o54eq8$hnk$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37642
On 1/10/2017 7:41 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article <o5400d$llt$1@dont-email.me>, AL <4567784747@invalid.com>
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>> The last time I was at Best Buy was bout 5 or 7 years ago and
>>> they asked to check my receipt and I said "No" and kept walking.
>>> They guy yelled at me,
>>
>> The poor guy was probably making minimum wage. Give him a break.
>> He's just doing his job. BEST BUY's policy is the one at fault. I
>> don't mind taking a moment to cooperate with REASONABLE security.
>> Take the receipt out of the bag for him, smile and ask him how his
>> day is going. Bet you'll get a whole different response.
>
> there's no need for a response, unless you want to stop and chat a
> while, which you can certainly do, but that's entirely *voluntary* on
> your part.

Playing net cop again? Don't you think Lewis can speak for himself? I 
expect he'll be around shortly...

BTW thanks for the chat.

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#37662

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-01-11 09:13 +0000
Message-ID<slrno7btsv.pi.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#37636
In message <o5400d$llt$1@dont-email.me> 
  AL <4567784747@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 1/10/2017 5:14 PM, Lewis wrote:

>> The last time I was at Best Buy was bout 5 or 7 years ago and they
>> asked to check my receipt and I said "No" and kept walking. They guy
>> yelled at me,

> The poor guy was probably making minimum wage. Give him a break. He's
> just doing his job

His job was yelling at me?

> BEST BUY's policy is the one at fault.

All I did was say "No" and kkeep walking. I don't give a fuck about Best
Buy's policy.

> I don't mind taking a moment to cooperate with REASONABLE security.

I did not consider it reasonable. Not anywhere close to reasonable.

> Take the receipt out of the bag for him, smile and ask him how his day
> is going. Bet you'll get a whole different response.

Why do I care? Best Buy instituted a policy that was, to me, stupid and
bordering on offensive. I refused to take the time and annoyance to
comply with the policy and an employee yelled at me. So not only is
their policy stupid, but their training is sub-par. I do not need to do
business with a company like that, do I?

(and from the looks of their parking lots, neither does anyone else).

>> so I've not been back.

> I've also said that when I've been really pissed at treatment I've
> gotten at a store (or restaurant). But trouble is after a while I really
> missed going to the store. I was the one being punished, not the store
> (which didn't miss me at all).

There are many stores and many restaurants. I have countless choices and
do not need to go to stores that behave badly.

In the last 5 years we've spent a LOT of money on home improvements
after moving into a new house. Not a single dime of that money (over
$43,000 at least) went to Lowe's.

In over 20 years I've never felt the need to go to a Toys R Us.

Circuit City (remember them) refused to honor an accidental damage
extended warranty and I went from being a loyal customer to a boycotter
who told *everyone* they were not trustworthy.

The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.

I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?

-- 
It's as original as a photocopy -nospam

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#37665

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-11 08:44 -0800
Message-ID<o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37662
On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:

> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.

The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was 
absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the 
prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one 
closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from, 
say, Costco :-)

> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?

How did Walmart treat you badly?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
  "Once you've provoked a few people into publicly swearing they are
   going  to hunt you down and kill you, the thrill wears off."
                                                   -Elric of Imrryr

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#37669

FromPAS <abc@doremi.net>
Date2017-01-11 12:29 -0500
Message-ID<o55pus$76t$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37665
On 1/11/2017 11:44 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>
>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>
> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was 
> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the 
> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one 
> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way 
> from, say, Costco :-)

I'm not a union guy, never have been.  I'm not a fan of many of them.  A 
shop being anti-union is not one of the criteria I use when deciding f I 
will shop there.  Costco is run by a politically very liberal person, I 
lean far in the other direction.  The employees are treated well from 
what I've been told.  They don't have a union because they don't need 
one, the management treats them well.  They provide excellent service, 
the products are good, the prices are good.  That's why I shop there.  
I'm moving in about six months from Long Island to Tennessee and the 
nearest Costco is a tow-hour drive from where I'll be living.  I'll miss 
being able to take a ten-minute drive to Costco.

On a side note, unions exist because management treated workers poorly.  
I believe that all workers today have benefited to a degree from what 
unions did many years ago, such as most of us having a five-day, 40-hour 
workweek.

>
>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>
> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>

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#37674

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-11 12:03 -0800
Message-ID<o562v6$alo$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37669
On 01/11/2017 09:29 AM, PAS wrote:
> On 1/11/2017 11:44 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>
>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way
>> from, say, Costco :-)
>
> I'm not a union guy, never have been.  I'm not a fan of many of them.  A
> shop being anti-union is not one of the criteria I use when deciding f I
> will shop there.

Of course not.  I shop where it's convenient/cheap.  I really despise 
unions, though.  They were responsible for the destruction of our 
manufacturing industries (it would be dumb to NOT move to China!) and 
we're helpless in the face of the governmental unions -- the governments 
can't move so they just raise taxes.

> Costco is run by a politically very liberal person, I
> lean far in the other direction.  The employees are treated well from
> what I've been told.  They don't have a union because they don't need
> one, the management treats them well.  They provide excellent service,
> the products are good, the prices are good.  That's why I shop there.
> I'm moving in about six months from Long Island to Tennessee and the
> nearest Costco is a tow-hour drive from where I'll be living.  I'll miss
> being able to take a ten-minute drive to Costco.

Son lives south of Houston and has to drive through Houston to get to 
Costco, which he doesn't do very often.  I couldn't believe the route 
that Garmin set just to get through the city -- I swear we did several 
loops, but I have no proof.

> On a side note, unions exist because management treated workers poorly.
> I believe that all workers today have benefited to a degree from what
> unions did many years ago, such as most of us having a five-day, 40-hour
> workweek.

Norma Rae was a hero, but that was a long time ago and things are very 
different now.  When was the last time an incompetent teacher was fired 
in your school district?


-- 
Cheers, Bev
   Some people just can't be helped; you take 'em out of the rat race
   for 5 minutes and they end up missing the rats!       --XR650LDave

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#37680

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-01-12 05:22 +0000
Message-ID<slrno7e4ns.1lsj.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#37665
In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me> 
  The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:

>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.

> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was 
> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the 
> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one 
> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from, 
> say, Costco :-)

>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?

> How did Walmart treat you badly?

Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
to have a personal experience with them.

But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
anti-union. I assume you work 6 ten hour days at a rate below minimum
wage as an act of solidarity with your anti union views? I mean, it was
the unions who gave us the 40 hour work week, the concept of weekends,
and minimum wage laws.


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#37682

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-11 21:46 -0800
Message-ID<o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37680
On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>
>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>
>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>> say, Costco :-)
>
>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>
>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>
> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
> to have a personal experience with them.

The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If 
I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it 
elsewhere?

> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
> anti-union.

I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government 
service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than 
fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental 
workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job 
security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.

> I assume you work 6 ten hour days at a rate below minimum
> wage as an act of solidarity with your anti union views? I mean, it was
> the unions who gave us the 40 hour work week, the concept of weekends,
> and minimum wage laws.

Over my working life (20 years total) I was a Sears salesperson, a 
secretary, a data-entry person, a project manager, a quality control 
auditor and a facility security officer.  Sears paid $1.10/hour plus 1% 
commission on anything you sold.  Minimum wage at the time was $1.00. 
None of those jobs were unionized.  Unionized grocery checkers probably 
made more than I did most of the time, but who wants to do a job that 
incredibly dull?

-- 
Cheers, Bev
   "If your mechanic claims that he stands behind his brake jobs, keep
    looking.  You want to find one willing to stand in front of them."

                                                          -- B. Ward

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#37691

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2017-01-12 21:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrno7fuer.1um3.g.kreme@snow.local>
In reply to#37682
In message <o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me> 
  The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>>    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>
>>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>
>>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>>> say, Costco :-)
>>
>>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>>
>>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>>
>> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
>> to have a personal experience with them.

> The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If 
> I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it 
> elsewhere?

Because the way they keep prices low and their personal profits high is
by underpaying their employees, hiring "temporary" workers repeatedly,
and destroying local economies. But we've already established your
narrow short-range views, so there's no need to go into more detail.

>> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
>> anti-union.

> I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government 
> service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than 
> fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental 
> workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job 
> security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.

Riiiiiight.

>> I assume you work 6 ten hour days at a rate below minimum
>> wage as an act of solidarity with your anti union views? I mean, it was
>> the unions who gave us the 40 hour work week, the concept of weekends,
>> and minimum wage laws.

> Over my working life (20 years total) I was a Sears salesperson, a 
> secretary, a data-entry person, a project manager, a quality control 
> auditor and a facility security officer.  Sears paid $1.10/hour plus 1% 
> commission on anything you sold.  Minimum wage at the time was $1.00. 
> None of those jobs were unionized.

The minimum wage exists BECAUSE of unions. Overtime exists BECAUSE of
unions. The 40 hour week? UNIONS. Worker safety? Unions. Worker's
Compensation? Unions. Unemployment benefits? Unions.

You reaped the benefits of unions your entire life, but you hate them.
You sound like that moron who was so upset he couldn't go going the
terrorists in Oregon to "fight the government" because he hadn't gotten
his disability check and couldn't afford the gas.

-- 
'They say that whoever pays the piper calls the tune.' 'But, gentlemen,'
said Mr Saveloy, 'whoever holds a knife to the piper's throat writes the
symphony.' --Interesting Times

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#37694

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2017-01-12 15:16 -0800
Message-ID<o592o9$k07$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37691
On 1/12/2017 1:47 PM, Lewis wrote:

<snip>

> The minimum wage exists BECAUSE of unions. Overtime exists BECAUSE of
> unions. The 40 hour week? UNIONS. Worker safety? Unions. Worker's
> Compensation? Unions. Unemployment benefits? Unions.
>
> You reaped the benefits of unions your entire life, but you hate them.
> You sound like that moron who was so upset he couldn't go going the
> terrorists in Oregon to "fight the government" because he hadn't gotten
> his disability check and couldn't afford the gas.

"Joe gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot 
full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for 
minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his 
first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some 
liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical 
plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid 
medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning 
breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because 
some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is 
properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents 
because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on 
his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes 
a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging 
liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He 
walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; 
it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You 
see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which 
gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals 
benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal 
union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's 
employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his 
employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes 
unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because 
some liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his 
temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some 
bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some 
liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who 
ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market 
federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and 
the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more 
money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his 
farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his 
car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car 
safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third 
generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration 
because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have 
electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it 
didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural 
Republicans would still be sitting in the dark.)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social 
Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could 
take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are 
bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved 
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys 
throughout his day)

Joe agrees. "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our 
lives; after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should take 
care of themselves, just like I have.""


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#37707

FromPAS <abc@doremi.net>
Date2017-01-13 09:14 -0500
Message-ID<o5ana0$5fp$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37694
On 1/12/2017 6:16 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/12/2017 1:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The minimum wage exists BECAUSE of unions. Overtime exists BECAUSE of
>> unions. The 40 hour week? UNIONS. Worker safety? Unions. Worker's
>> Compensation? Unions. Unemployment benefits? Unions.
>>
>> You reaped the benefits of unions your entire life, but you hate them.
>> You sound like that moron who was so upset he couldn't go going the
>> terrorists in Oregon to "fight the government" because he hadn't gotten
>> his disability check and couldn't afford the gas.
>
> "Joe gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his 
> pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for 
> minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with 
> his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because 
> some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.
>
> All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers 
> medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers 
> for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his 
> morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat 
> because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing 
> industry.
>
> Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is 
> properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents 
> because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting 
> on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and 
> takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree 
> hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our 
> air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride 
> to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation 
> fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public 
> transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
>
> Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, 
> medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some 
> liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. 
> Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't 
> want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or 
> becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment 
> check because some liberal didn't think he should lose his home 
> because of his temporary misfortune.
>
> It's noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some 
> bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some 
> liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who 
> ruined the banking system before the depression.
>
> Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below 
> market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that 
> Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and 
> earned more money over his life-time.
>
> Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at 
> his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to 
> dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal 
> fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He 
> was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home 
> Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The 
> house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his 
> nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those 
> rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark.)
>
> He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social 
> Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could 
> take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
>
> After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.
>
> He turns on a radio talk show. The host keeps saying that liberals are 
> bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn't tell Joe that his beloved 
> Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe 
> enjoys throughout his day)
>
> Joe agrees. "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our 
> lives; after all, I'm a self made man who believes everyone should 
> take care of themselves, just like I have.""
>
>
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Sure, we owe everything good in our lives to liberals.  Thanks for the 
good laugh, now back to reality.

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#37725

Fromsms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
Date2017-01-13 12:28 -0800
Message-ID<o5bd9r$ahc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37707
On 1/13/2017 6:14 AM, PAS wrote:
> On 1/12/2017 6:16 PM, sms wrote:
>> On 1/12/2017 1:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> The minimum wage exists BECAUSE of unions. Overtime exists BECAUSE of
>>> unions. The 40 hour week? UNIONS. Worker safety? Unions. Worker's
>>> Compensation? Unions. Unemployment benefits? Unions.

<snip>

> Sure, we owe everything good in our lives to liberals.

Glad you understand that now.


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#37733

Fromtlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
Date2017-01-13 23:52 -0500
Message-ID<abcx5wl3iw8u.1xqo9a5zl94a.dlg@40tude.net>
In reply to#37707
On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:14:56 -0500, PAS wrote:

> Sure, we owe everything good in our lives to liberals.  Thanks for the 
> good laugh, now back to reality.

... where congressional Republicans just passed a 1 am measure removing
funding for veterans' benefits and reversing the ACA mandate for insurers
to cover pre-existing conditions. Yes, welcome to Republican reality. HTH.

Cheers, -- tlvp
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#37705

FromPAS <abc@doremi.net>
Date2017-01-13 09:07 -0500
Message-ID<o5amsg$23a$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37691
On 1/12/2017 4:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me>
>    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>>>     The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>>>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>>>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>>>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>>>> say, Costco :-)
>>>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>>>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>>> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
>>> to have a personal experience with them.
>> The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If
>> I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it
>> elsewhere?
> Because the way they keep prices low and their personal profits high is
> by underpaying their employees, hiring "temporary" workers repeatedly,
> and destroying local economies. But we've already established your
> narrow short-range views, so there's no need to go into more detail.
>
>>> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
>>> anti-union.
>> I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government
>> service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than
>> fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental
>> workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job
>> security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.
> Riiiiiight.

It's true for federal government workers in the USA.  The average pay & 
benefits of a federal government employee far exceed those in the 
private sector.  It's also the case for other government workers.  Where 
I live, the average pay (not including benefits) for a member of the 
police department is just over $161,000.00.  The top pay tier for a 
detective is $250,000.00 per year.   They receive a pension of 50% of 
the average of their last three years of pay. That includes overtime 
pay.  When a police officer approaches retirement, he/she loads up on 
overtime so that they can wind up getting a pension as high as their 
regular salary is.

>
>>> I assume you work 6 ten hour days at a rate below minimum
>>> wage as an act of solidarity with your anti union views? I mean, it was
>>> the unions who gave us the 40 hour work week, the concept of weekends,
>>> and minimum wage laws.
>> Over my working life (20 years total) I was a Sears salesperson, a
>> secretary, a data-entry person, a project manager, a quality control
>> auditor and a facility security officer.  Sears paid $1.10/hour plus 1%
>> commission on anything you sold.  Minimum wage at the time was $1.00.
>> None of those jobs were unionized.
> The minimum wage exists BECAUSE of unions. Overtime exists BECAUSE of
> unions. The 40 hour week? UNIONS. Worker safety? Unions. Worker's
> Compensation? Unions. Unemployment benefits? Unions.
>
> You reaped the benefits of unions your entire life, but you hate them.
> You sound like that moron who was so upset he couldn't go going the
> terrorists in Oregon to "fight the government" because he hadn't gotten
> his disability check and couldn't afford the gas.
>

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#37709

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2017-01-13 09:17 -0600
Message-ID<t5idne7UtJsXcuXFnZ2dnUU7-WnNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#37705
PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
> On 1/12/2017 4:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me>
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>>>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>>>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>>>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>>>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>>>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>>>>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>>>>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>>>>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>>>>> say, Costco :-)
>>>>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>>>>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>>>> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
>>>> to have a personal experience with them.
>>> The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If
>>> I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it
>>> elsewhere?
>> Because the way they keep prices low and their personal profits high is
>> by underpaying their employees, hiring "temporary" workers repeatedly,
>> and destroying local economies. But we've already established your
>> narrow short-range views, so there's no need to go into more detail.
>> 
>>>> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
>>>> anti-union.
>>> I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government
>>> service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than
>>> fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental
>>> workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job
>>> security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.
>> Riiiiiight.
> 
> It's true for federal government workers in the USA.  The average pay & 
> benefits of a federal government employee far exceed those in the 
> private sector.  It's also the case for other government workers.  Where 
> I live, the average pay (not including benefits) for a member of the 
> police department is just over $161,000.00.  The top pay tier for a 
> detective is $250,000.00 per year.   They receive a pension of 50% of 
> the average of their last three years of pay. That includes overtime 
> pay.  When a police officer approaches retirement, he/she loads up on 
> overtime so that they can wind up getting a pension as high as their 
> regular salary is.
> 
>> 

I can tell you that as a retired Lieutenant in a California State Law
enforcement agency, CalPers pensions do not include overtime when setting
final pension benefits. I earned a 3% service credit for each year employed
with the final pension payment maxed out at 90% of the final 12 month
salary. Overtime is not included in the calculation.
Accumulated leave credits are paid out and are taxable.

I will tell you that as a Lieutenant I was earning in excess of 6 figures
when I retired. My net pension is now greater than my net pay check was
when I was working. Back then I had deductions for pension, 457K,
medical/dental plan and Medicare taxes. 

Due to my State employment with guaranteed retirement benefits, I had no
SSI taxes to pay and today I am still short a few quarters to qualify for
an SSI benefit, but I don't really need it.

As a fully vested supervisor I have a 100% medical benefit, meaning that my
Medicare premiums are fully reimbursed and my Medicare Supplement including
my CalPers Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Plan are fully covered. My
only premiums are $12.30/month for dental and $7.20/month for vision.

Needless to say I am quite comfortable in my retirement.
> 
> 



-- 

 Regards,
 Savageduck

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#37712

FromPAS <abc@doremi.net>
Date2017-01-13 11:30 -0500
Message-ID<o5av7a$kn1$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37709
On 1/13/2017 10:17 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>> On 1/12/2017 4:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me>
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>>>>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>>>>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>>>>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>>>>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>>>>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>>>>>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>>>>>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>>>>>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>>>>>> say, Costco :-)
>>>>>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>>>>>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>>>>> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
>>>>> to have a personal experience with them.
>>>> The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If
>>>> I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it
>>>> elsewhere?
>>> Because the way they keep prices low and their personal profits high is
>>> by underpaying their employees, hiring "temporary" workers repeatedly,
>>> and destroying local economies. But we've already established your
>>> narrow short-range views, so there's no need to go into more detail.
>>>
>>>>> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
>>>>> anti-union.
>>>> I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government
>>>> service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than
>>>> fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental
>>>> workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job
>>>> security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.
>>> Riiiiiight.
>> It's true for federal government workers in the USA.  The average pay &
>> benefits of a federal government employee far exceed those in the
>> private sector.  It's also the case for other government workers.  Where
>> I live, the average pay (not including benefits) for a member of the
>> police department is just over $161,000.00.  The top pay tier for a
>> detective is $250,000.00 per year.   They receive a pension of 50% of
>> the average of their last three years of pay. That includes overtime
>> pay.  When a police officer approaches retirement, he/she loads up on
>> overtime so that they can wind up getting a pension as high as their
>> regular salary is.
>>
> I can tell you that as a retired Lieutenant in a California State Law
> enforcement agency, CalPers pensions do not include overtime when setting
> final pension benefits. I earned a 3% service credit for each year employed
> with the final pension payment maxed out at 90% of the final 12 month
> salary. Overtime is not included in the calculation.
> Accumulated leave credits are paid out and are taxable.
>
> I will tell you that as a Lieutenant I was earning in excess of 6 figures
> when I retired. My net pension is now greater than my net pay check was
> when I was working. Back then I had deductions for pension, 457K,
> medical/dental plan and Medicare taxes.

A six-figure salary is befitting for a person in a position such as a 
lieutenant.  How would you like to have made $150K per year as a "beat cop"?

>   
>
> Due to my State employment with guaranteed retirement benefits, I had no
> SSI taxes to pay and today I am still short a few quarters to qualify for
> an SSI benefit, but I don't really need it.

You were exempt from having to pay SS taxes?  I know that didn't apply 
to members of the federal government in the past and to clergyman but I 
wasn't aware of it being an option for state workers.

>
> As a fully vested supervisor I have a 100% medical benefit, meaning that my
> Medicare premiums are fully reimbursed and my Medicare Supplement including
> my CalPers Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Plan are fully covered. My
> only premiums are $12.30/month for dental and $7.20/month for vision.
>
> Needless to say I am quite comfortable in my retirement.

Of course, not all state/city/local government workers get the same 
salary and benefits as others do in different locations.  On Long 
Island, the police unions are powerful and usually get what they ask 
for.  They endorse the candidate for County Executive that will give 
them the most generous contract.  If that candidate wins, as he quite 
often does, the negotiated contract is generous.  IMO, it's a conflict 
of interest to get financial support from a group whose contract you 
will negotiate.

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#37714

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2017-01-13 11:23 -0600
Message-ID<4O2dnRexvpKSkOTFnZ2dnUU7-L_NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#37712
PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
> On 1/13/2017 10:17 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>> PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>>> On 1/12/2017 4:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>> In message <o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me>
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>>>>>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>>>>>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>>>>>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>>>>>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>>>>>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>>>>>>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>>>>>>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>>>>>>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>>>>>>> say, Costco :-)
>>>>>>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>>>>>>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>>>>>> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
>>>>>> to have a personal experience with them.
>>>>> The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If
>>>>> I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it
>>>>> elsewhere?
>>>> Because the way they keep prices low and their personal profits high is
>>>> by underpaying their employees, hiring "temporary" workers repeatedly,
>>>> and destroying local economies. But we've already established your
>>>> narrow short-range views, so there's no need to go into more detail.
>>>> 
>>>>>> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
>>>>>> anti-union.
>>>>> I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government
>>>>> service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than
>>>>> fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental
>>>>> workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job
>>>>> security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.
>>>> Riiiiiight.
>>> It's true for federal government workers in the USA.  The average pay &
>>> benefits of a federal government employee far exceed those in the
>>> private sector.  It's also the case for other government workers.  Where
>>> I live, the average pay (not including benefits) for a member of the
>>> police department is just over $161,000.00.  The top pay tier for a
>>> detective is $250,000.00 per year.   They receive a pension of 50% of
>>> the average of their last three years of pay. That includes overtime
>>> pay.  When a police officer approaches retirement, he/she loads up on
>>> overtime so that they can wind up getting a pension as high as their
>>> regular salary is.
>>> 
>> I can tell you that as a retired Lieutenant in a California State Law
>> enforcement agency, CalPers pensions do not include overtime when setting
>> final pension benefits. I earned a 3% service credit for each year employed
>> with the final pension payment maxed out at 90% of the final 12 month
>> salary. Overtime is not included in the calculation.
>> Accumulated leave credits are paid out and are taxable.
>> 
>> I will tell you that as a Lieutenant I was earning in excess of 6 figures
>> when I retired. My net pension is now greater than my net pay check was
>> when I was working. Back then I had deductions for pension, 457K,
>> medical/dental plan and Medicare taxes.
> 
> A six-figure salary is befitting for a person in a position such as a 
> lieutenant.  How would you like to have made $150K per year as a "beat cop"?
> 
>> 
I would be smiling. However, I wouldn't want to spend an entire career in
that role.

That said I promoted to Sergeant after 4 years, and 6 years later to Lt.
For the last 10 years of my career I was a case specialist dealing with
gangs, DA's, and State prison gang coordinators. I also spent time assigned
as an investigator to the State BIR or Board of Internal Review.

>> 
>> Due to my State employment with guaranteed retirement benefits, I had no
>> SSI taxes to pay and today I am still short a few quarters to qualify for
>> an SSI benefit, but I don't really need it.
> 
> You were exempt from having to pay SS taxes?  I know that didn't apply 
> to members of the federal government in the past and to clergyman but I 
> wasn't aware of it being an option for state workers.
> 

Yup! For my entire career as a LEO not one cent was deducted for SS. That
applied to CalPers beneficiaries where benefits were included for some, but
not all bargaining units.


>> 
>> As a fully vested supervisor I have a 100% medical benefit, meaning that my
>> Medicare premiums are fully reimbursed and my Medicare Supplement including
>> my CalPers Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Plan are fully covered. My
>> only premiums are $12.30/month for dental and $7.20/month for vision.
>> 
>> Needless to say I am quite comfortable in my retirement.
> 
> Of course, not all state/city/local government workers get the same 
> salary and benefits as others do in different locations.  On Long 
> Island, the police unions are powerful and usually get what they ask 
> for.  They endorse the candidate for County Executive that will give 
> them the most generous contract.  If that candidate wins, as he quite 
> often does, the negotiated contract is generous.  IMO, it's a conflict 
> of interest to get financial support from a group whose contract you 
> will negotiate.
> 

Location, location, location!!

-- 

 Regards,
 Savageduck

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#37715

FromPAS <abc@doremi.net>
Date2017-01-13 12:43 -0500
Message-ID<o5b3h6$vhj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37714
On 1/13/2017 12:23 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>> On 1/13/2017 10:17 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>>>> On 1/12/2017 4:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>>>>>>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>>>>>>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>>>>>>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>>>>>>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>>>>>>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>>>>>>>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>>>>>>>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>>>>>>>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>>>>>>>> say, Costco :-)
>>>>>>>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>>>>>>>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>>>>>>> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
>>>>>>> to have a personal experience with them.
>>>>>> The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If
>>>>>> I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it
>>>>>> elsewhere?
>>>>> Because the way they keep prices low and their personal profits high is
>>>>> by underpaying their employees, hiring "temporary" workers repeatedly,
>>>>> and destroying local economies. But we've already established your
>>>>> narrow short-range views, so there's no need to go into more detail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
>>>>>>> anti-union.
>>>>>> I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government
>>>>>> service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than
>>>>>> fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental
>>>>>> workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job
>>>>>> security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.
>>>>> Riiiiiight.
>>>> It's true for federal government workers in the USA.  The average pay &
>>>> benefits of a federal government employee far exceed those in the
>>>> private sector.  It's also the case for other government workers.  Where
>>>> I live, the average pay (not including benefits) for a member of the
>>>> police department is just over $161,000.00.  The top pay tier for a
>>>> detective is $250,000.00 per year.   They receive a pension of 50% of
>>>> the average of their last three years of pay. That includes overtime
>>>> pay.  When a police officer approaches retirement, he/she loads up on
>>>> overtime so that they can wind up getting a pension as high as their
>>>> regular salary is.
>>>>
>>> I can tell you that as a retired Lieutenant in a California State Law
>>> enforcement agency, CalPers pensions do not include overtime when setting
>>> final pension benefits. I earned a 3% service credit for each year employed
>>> with the final pension payment maxed out at 90% of the final 12 month
>>> salary. Overtime is not included in the calculation.
>>> Accumulated leave credits are paid out and are taxable.
>>>
>>> I will tell you that as a Lieutenant I was earning in excess of 6 figures
>>> when I retired. My net pension is now greater than my net pay check was
>>> when I was working. Back then I had deductions for pension, 457K,
>>> medical/dental plan and Medicare taxes.
>> A six-figure salary is befitting for a person in a position such as a
>> lieutenant.  How would you like to have made $150K per year as a "beat cop"?
>>
> I would be smiling. However, I wouldn't want to spend an entire career in
> that role.
>
> That said I promoted to Sergeant after 4 years, and 6 years later to Lt.
> For the last 10 years of my career I was a case specialist dealing with
> gangs, DA's, and State prison gang coordinators. I also spent time assigned
> as an investigator to the State BIR or Board of Internal Review.
>
>>> Due to my State employment with guaranteed retirement benefits, I had no
>>> SSI taxes to pay and today I am still short a few quarters to qualify for
>>> an SSI benefit, but I don't really need it.
>> You were exempt from having to pay SS taxes?  I know that didn't apply
>> to members of the federal government in the past and to clergyman but I
>> wasn't aware of it being an option for state workers.
>>
> Yup! For my entire career as a LEO not one cent was deducted for SS. That
> applied to CalPers beneficiaries where benefits were included for some, but
> not all bargaining units.
>
>
>>> As a fully vested supervisor I have a 100% medical benefit, meaning that my
>>> Medicare premiums are fully reimbursed and my Medicare Supplement including
>>> my CalPers Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Plan are fully covered. My
>>> only premiums are $12.30/month for dental and $7.20/month for vision.
>>>
>>> Needless to say I am quite comfortable in my retirement.
>> Of course, not all state/city/local government workers get the same
>> salary and benefits as others do in different locations.  On Long
>> Island, the police unions are powerful and usually get what they ask
>> for.  They endorse the candidate for County Executive that will give
>> them the most generous contract.  If that candidate wins, as he quite
>> often does, the negotiated contract is generous.  IMO, it's a conflict
>> of interest to get financial support from a group whose contract you
>> will negotiate.
>>
> Location, location, location!!
>
On a side note, we lost a great one a few days ago 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/nyregion/steven-mcdonald-dead.html

I was 26 years old when he was injured and I still recall hearing about 
it when it happened.  Over the years, I saw him being honored for his 
work at many NY Ranger Games at Madison Square Garden.  What many don't 
realize is that he was still on active duty until the day he passed 
away.  He was an extraordinary guy who will be dearly missed.  I watched 
a video of his police escort procession as his body was taken along the 
Parkway.  At each overpass, cops and fireman from different departments 
were waiting to hold a salute to him as his body passed under each 
overpass.

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#37716

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2017-01-13 11:59 -0600
Message-ID<8sSdnYkJLb0eiOTFnZ2dnUU7-NnNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#37715
PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
> On 1/13/2017 12:23 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>> PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>>> On 1/13/2017 10:17 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>> PAS <abc@doremi.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/12/2017 4:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> In message <o57559$8rv$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 01/11/2017 09:22 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <o55nbe$sip$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 01/11/2017 01:13 AM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The only times I've ever gone to a Walmart have been when on the road
>>>>>>>>>> and there was no other choice for something we needed right then (like
>>>>>>>>>> when my eldest kid (now 19) was 4 and threw up on the way to Yellowstone
>>>>>>>>>> we had to stop at the first store to get cleaning up supplies and a
>>>>>>>>>> plastic tub, and Walmart was the only choice.
>>>>>>>>> The first Walmart I ever saw was on a trip back east in 1988.  It was
>>>>>>>>> absolutely mind-boggling.  This huge store that had EVERYTHING and the
>>>>>>>>> prices were good.  Moreover, they're anti-union.  I'd like to have one
>>>>>>>>> closer than 5 miles away;  I only shop there when it's on the way from,
>>>>>>>>> say, Costco :-)
>>>>>>>>>> I don't miss stores that treat me badly. Why would anyone?
>>>>>>>>> How did Walmart treat you badly?
>>>>>>>> Walmart treats AMERICA badly. I've not been in one often enough for me
>>>>>>>> to have a personal experience with them.
>>>>>>> The amount of $ that Walmart saves us is measured in the billions.  If
>>>>>>> I'm going to buy a given product, why should I pay more by buying it
>>>>>>> elsewhere?
>>>>>> Because the way they keep prices low and their personal profits high is
>>>>>> by underpaying their employees, hiring "temporary" workers repeatedly,
>>>>>> and destroying local economies. But we've already established your
>>>>>> narrow short-range views, so there's no need to go into more detail.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But then again, you obviously hate America as well, since you are
>>>>>>>> anti-union.
>>>>>>> I would think that exactly the opposite would be true;  government
>>>>>>> service ought to have something to do with actual service rather than
>>>>>>> fighting for (and getting) better pay and benefits than non-governmental
>>>>>>> workers get.  It used to be that they traded pay for benefits and job
>>>>>>> security.  Now they have it all.  In spades.
>>>>>> Riiiiiight.
>>>>> It's true for federal government workers in the USA.  The average pay &
>>>>> benefits of a federal government employee far exceed those in the
>>>>> private sector.  It's also the case for other government workers.  Where
>>>>> I live, the average pay (not including benefits) for a member of the
>>>>> police department is just over $161,000.00.  The top pay tier for a
>>>>> detective is $250,000.00 per year.   They receive a pension of 50% of
>>>>> the average of their last three years of pay. That includes overtime
>>>>> pay.  When a police officer approaches retirement, he/she loads up on
>>>>> overtime so that they can wind up getting a pension as high as their
>>>>> regular salary is.
>>>>> 
>>>> I can tell you that as a retired Lieutenant in a California State Law
>>>> enforcement agency, CalPers pensions do not include overtime when setting
>>>> final pension benefits. I earned a 3% service credit for each year employed
>>>> with the final pension payment maxed out at 90% of the final 12 month
>>>> salary. Overtime is not included in the calculation.
>>>> Accumulated leave credits are paid out and are taxable.
>>>> 
>>>> I will tell you that as a Lieutenant I was earning in excess of 6 figures
>>>> when I retired. My net pension is now greater than my net pay check was
>>>> when I was working. Back then I had deductions for pension, 457K,
>>>> medical/dental plan and Medicare taxes.
>>> A six-figure salary is befitting for a person in a position such as a
>>> lieutenant.  How would you like to have made $150K per year as a "beat cop"?
>>> 
>> I would be smiling. However, I wouldn't want to spend an entire career in
>> that role.
>> 
>> That said I promoted to Sergeant after 4 years, and 6 years later to Lt.
>> For the last 10 years of my career I was a case specialist dealing with
>> gangs, DA's, and State prison gang coordinators. I also spent time assigned
>> as an investigator to the State BIR or Board of Internal Review.
>> 
>>>> Due to my State employment with guaranteed retirement benefits, I had no
>>>> SSI taxes to pay and today I am still short a few quarters to qualify for
>>>> an SSI benefit, but I don't really need it.
>>> You were exempt from having to pay SS taxes?  I know that didn't apply
>>> to members of the federal government in the past and to clergyman but I
>>> wasn't aware of it being an option for state workers.
>>> 
>> Yup! For my entire career as a LEO not one cent was deducted for SS. That
>> applied to CalPers beneficiaries where benefits were included for some, but
>> not all bargaining units.
>> 
>> 
>>>> As a fully vested supervisor I have a 100% medical benefit, meaning that my
>>>> Medicare premiums are fully reimbursed and my Medicare Supplement including
>>>> my CalPers Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Plan are fully covered. My
>>>> only premiums are $12.30/month for dental and $7.20/month for vision.
>>>> 
>>>> Needless to say I am quite comfortable in my retirement.
>>> Of course, not all state/city/local government workers get the same
>>> salary and benefits as others do in different locations.  On Long
>>> Island, the police unions are powerful and usually get what they ask
>>> for.  They endorse the candidate for County Executive that will give
>>> them the most generous contract.  If that candidate wins, as he quite
>>> often does, the negotiated contract is generous.  IMO, it's a conflict
>>> of interest to get financial support from a group whose contract you
>>> will negotiate.
>>> 
>> Location, location, location!!
>> 
> On a side note, we lost a great one a few days ago 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/10/nyregion/steven-mcdonald-dead.html
> 
> I was 26 years old when he was injured and I still recall hearing about 
> it when it happened.  Over the years, I saw him being honored for his 
> work at many NY Ranger Games at Madison Square Garden.  What many don't 
> realize is that he was still on active duty until the day he passed 
> away.  He was an extraordinary guy who will be dearly missed.  I watched 
> a video of his police escort procession as his body was taken along the 
> Parkway.  At each overpass, cops and fireman from different departments 
> were waiting to hold a salute to him as his body passed under each 
> overpass.
> 
> 
> 

That is a sad story. 
One of the unfortunate progressions of such serious spinal cord injuries is
a reduction in cardiac and respiratory health leading to all sorts of
system failures.

-- 

 Regards,
 Savageduck

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#37717

FromThe Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
Date2017-01-13 10:11 -0800
Message-ID<o5b54k$eba$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#37714
On 01/13/2017 09:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:

> Yup! For my entire career as a LEO not one cent was deducted for SS. That
> applied to CalPers beneficiaries where benefits were included for some, but
> not all bargaining units.

I've heard that becoming disabled right before normal retirement is 
standard practice, thereby increasing the payout.  Indeed, it was said 
that not a single Los Angeles police officer had done a normal 
non-disability retirement in years, possibly decades.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting
    them down?  We might, if they screamed all the time, for
    no good reason.                                 - Jack Handy

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#37718

FromSavageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date2017-01-13 13:03 -0600
Message-ID<R6udnTv2KfcKueTFnZ2dnUU7-TXNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#37717
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/13/2017 09:23 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> 
>> Yup! For my entire career as a LEO not one cent was deducted for SS. That
>> applied to CalPers beneficiaries where benefits were included for some, but
>> not all bargaining units.
> 
> I've heard that becoming disabled right before normal retirement is 
> standard practice, thereby increasing the payout.  Indeed, it was said 
> that not a single Los Angeles police officer had done a normal 
> non-disability retirement in years, possibly decades.
> 
> 

Disability retirement is a bit of a gamble for a peace officer as very few
will qualify for a 100% disability benefit particularly if they are
youngest than eligibility age for retirement. Many can get a 35-55%
disability benefit for a work related injury. Some try and sometimes get a
higher stress related benefit if they can show that the stress or heart
disease is work related. They get that disability benefit tax free, but
many times that will disqualify them for further work in the department.

The big problem for that group is they might have to wait years before they
are eligible to get their earned retirement benefits, so they might be
getting a 35-55% untaxed benefit with no additional salary until they reach
retirement eligibility, then they might get the 35-55% untaxed plus 30-40%
taxed pension. Very few get that 100% untaxed disability benefit.

Most of those I know who have gone the disability route regret it. Many
have lost it all when they have been caught and shown to have received the
disability benefit fraudulently. I am happy to have retired without having
to deal with a real on the job injury leading to an early retirement. I am
also happy to say that most of my colleagues have worked honestly and only
a handful have resorted to manipulating the system, ultimately not to their
benefit.

-- 

 Regards,
 Savageduck

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