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Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage anyway?

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First post	2019-07-18 17:26 +0000
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#62770

From	"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net>
Date	2019-07-22 20:42 +0000
Message-ID	<qh574d$bim$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#62756

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:23:47 -0700, sms wrote:

> In the fires in California, the "fireproof safes" were anything but! One 
> of these fires, Coffey Park, destroyed a residential neighborhood, after 
> jumping a six lane freeway, it was not up in a forest somewhere.
> 
> It's simple enough to encrypt files and then store them somewhere in the 
> cloud. You probably don't have a huge number of files that even require 
> encryption.

Hi Steve,
What data is so important that it MUST be preserved against catastrophe?

It seems from this thread, and from others on the Apple newsgroups, that
you're well aware, as am I, that the fire-proof safes are rated "by the
hour", where, we've both seen cases where they turned into mush in
California style fires.

Since I live in the highest fire danger (and earthquake) zone possible in
California, I wouldn't trust those safes with my data. You live nearby, but
perhaps not as rural as I am, nor, perhaps, as close to the fault line as I
am, but I would think, nonetheless, that you're in as much trouble as I am
when the stuff hits the fan in California.

*What data is so important that we MUST replace it after a catastrophe?*

Personally, I can't think of _any_ data that I can't replace that is so
super important, other than photos of the kids when they were kids, where,
if I really cared to, a safe deposit box would suffice.

What DATA is so important that it MUST be stored in cloud storage 
(that you can't replace or rebuild if the rare catastrophe occurs)?

QUESTION:
o What data is so important that it MUST be preserved against catastrophe?

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#62719

From	"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 10:22 -0500
Message-ID	<20190720102234.2a356a06@WizardsTower>
In reply to	#62717

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:37:22 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:

> I'm simply asking the very basic question here of how they (Apple,
> Google, Microsoft, DropBox) make money by giving you that "free"
> cloud storage for your personal data.

Are you OK?

Twice before you've posted asking a question.  Both first times you
asked a DIFFERENT question which you claimed to be the same one.  Now
here you ask a new and completely different question, indicating
through context that it is the same question once again.  

It isn't.  You are conflating three individual questions and calling
them one.

Are you sure that you're all right?  Off your meds?  Bump your head?
Stroking out?

We're all concerned about you.

What has gone before:

----------------------
In Message-ID: <qgv8v1$t4h$1@news.mixmin.net> you asked:

------------
 ... I'm asking about the OTHERS who DO put their data on the cloud -
 which ones they use.
------------  

In Message-ID: <qgqa3p$db1$1@news.mixmin.net> you asked:
------------
"Q: Why do the big marketing organizations offer free cloud storage
anyway?"
------------
---------------------

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard

We lie loudest when we lie to ourselves.
	Eric Hoffer

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#62720

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 11:34 -0400
Message-ID	<200720191134065108%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#62719

In article <20190720102234.2a356a06@WizardsTower>, Cybe R. Wizard
<cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:37:22 -0000 (UTC)
> "Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:
> > I'm simply asking the very basic question here of how they (Apple,
> > Google, Microsoft, DropBox) make money by giving you that "free"
> > cloud storage for your personal data.
> 
> Are you OK?
> 
> Twice before you've posted asking a question.  Both first times you
> asked a DIFFERENT question which you claimed to be the same one.  Now
> here you ask a new and completely different question, indicating
> through context that it is the same question once again.  
> 
> It isn't.  You are conflating three individual questions and calling
> them one.
> 
> Are you sure that you're all right?  Off your meds?  Bump your head?
> Stroking out?
> 
> We're all concerned about you.

i'm not, and i'm sure many others aren't either.

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#62721

From	"Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 10:44 -0500
Message-ID	<20190720104422.4d593347@WizardsTower>
In reply to	#62720

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:34:06 -0400
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

[Arlen}

> > 
> > We're all concerned about you.  
> 
> i'm not, and i'm sure many others aren't either.

;-]

Sure, you are.  It's just not a concern relating to good health or
happiness.  (or even, possibly, life)  It may even be anti-all that.

IOW, you have the same (or very similar) concerns as I.

-- 
Cybe R. Wizard

"There's no justice.  There's only me."
	Judge Dredd

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#62727

From	David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net>
Date	2019-07-20 20:14 +0100
Message-ID	<qgvp71$rl8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#62720

On 20/07/19 16:34, nospam wrote:
> i'm not [concerned about Arlen Holder], and i'm sure many others aren't either.

When he starts a thread, I wait to see how long it is before he refers 
to `adult' and `childish' things.

I find it an odd way to analyse data or people -- but I'm 66 years old 
and the issue was `live' for me way back in 1971.

David

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#62728

From	Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net>
Date	2019-07-20 19:29 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnqj6qs5.ds3.dan@djph.net>
In reply to	#62727

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David Catterall wrote:
> On 20/07/19 16:34, nospam wrote:
>> i'm not [concerned about Arlen Holder], and i'm sure many others
>> aren't either.
>
> When he starts a thread, I wait to see how long it is before he refers 
> to `adult' and `childish' things.
>
> I find it an odd way to analyse data or people -- but I'm 66 years old 
> and the issue was `live' for me way back in 1971.

Which means you were there when those crazies landed on the moon 50
years ago.  go humanity!

(too bad we've not really done it much since...)


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#62731

From	"Arlen G. Holder" <arlingholder@nospam.net>
Date	2019-07-20 21:07 +0000
Message-ID	<qgvvr3$56u$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#62727

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:14:41 +0100, David Catterall wrote:

> When he starts a thread, I wait to see how long it is before he refers 
> to `adult' and `childish' things.
> 
> I find it an odd way to analyse data or people -- but I'm 66 years old 
> and the issue was `live' for me way back in 1971.

Hi David,
People are what they are - which you can't blame me for what THEY are.
o Whether they own the brain of an adult or a child is up to THEM.

Don't blame me for simply pointing out what they write, which is that
a. They can't ever post anything of adult technical value, and, 
b. They can't possibly post anything on topic to the thread.

I've been on Usenet for decades, as have most of the old men here.
There are mostly adults (95%) but many children (see vetted list below).

You have not made the list of well-known children - who are incapable of
posting on-topic information of adult value; but your post was clearly
devoid of any adult value whatsoever - and certainly not on topic.

Are you a child, David?
o *Can you possibly add ANY adult on-topic value, David?*

The fact you have NOT added any on-topic value is clear - but whether or
not you own the mind of a child will be determined by whether you CAN
possibly add adult on-topic value to any technical conversation, David.

Can you possibly add adult on-topic technical value, David?
o It's not me who determines that - your own words will prove it or not.

We'll see based on your ability to do two simple adult things:
1. Stay on topic, and, 
2. Add technical value to the topic.

Here's a simple CHALLENGE to you, David:
Q: Can you do post to this very thread ANYTHING of adult on-topic value?

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o Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> (always posts as a child)
o Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
o et al.

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#62732

From	"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <super.pooh@fluffyunderbelly.invalid>
Date	2019-07-20 22:16 +0100
Message-ID	<0117jelu02knbsd95hqe3c16je071megpn@4ax.com>
In reply to	#62731

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:07:48 -0000 (UTC), "Arlen G. Holder"
<arlingholder@nospam.net> wrote:

>o Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
>o Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>o Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch>
>o BK@Onramp.net
>o Beedle <Beedle@dont-email.me>
>o Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>o Char Jackson <none@none.invalid>
>o Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>o "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> (always a child)
>o Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> (sometimes, but only rarely posts as an adult)
>o Davoud <star@sky.net>
>o Diesel <me@privacy.net> (aka Dustin Cook)
>o Elden <usenet@moondog.org> 
>o Elfin <elfinarc6@gmail.com> (aka Lloyd, aka Lloyd Parsons)
>o Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net> Jeff
>o *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>
>o Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> (mostly is an adult but often a child)
>o joe <none@domain.invalid> (rarely, but sometimes posts as an adult would)
>o Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
>o Johan <JHvB@nospam.invalid>
>o John Doe <always.look@message.header>
>o John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
>o John-Del <ohger1s@gmail.com>
>o Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
>o Ken Hart <kwhart1@frontier.com>
>o Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
>o Lloyd <elfinarc6@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
>o Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> (aka "Elfin")
>o Meanie <Me@gmail.com>
>o nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> (bullshits more than anyone on Usenet)
>o Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net>
>o "pfjw@aol.com" <peterwieck33@gmail.com> Peter Wieck, Melrose Park, PA
>o Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> (always posts as a child would post)
>o "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> (aka Rudy Wieser) (always a child)
>o Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>o shemp14@outlook.com
>o Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> (aka Michael Glasser, troll's troll) 
>o Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
>o Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net>
>o Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> (always posts as a child)
>o Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>o et al.

Damn, Shadow is going to be pissed.

Again.

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#62733

From	David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net>
Date	2019-07-20 23:06 +0100
Message-ID	<qh0388$jsu$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#62731

On 20/07/19 22:07, Arlen G. Holder wrote:

> whether or
> not you own the mind of a child will be determined by whether you CAN
> possibly add adult on-topic value to any technical conversation, David.

There is no psychological or educational basis for that hypothesis.

However, the fact that you are trying to place /me/ in the zone of your 
contrived adult-or-child(ish) dichotomy means that your universe has a 
degree of consistency, if nothing else.

This is my last response in this thread, but I will continue to observe you.

David

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