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  Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-10 09:33 -0700
    Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2016-08-11 08:12 -0400
      Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 07:24 -0700
        Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2016-08-11 10:37 -0400
          Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 08:16 -0700
            Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk> - 2016-08-11 11:20 -0400
              Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 15:31 +0000
            Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:24 -0700
              Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 09:08 -0600
                Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 02:16 +0000
        Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 10:40 -0400
          Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 08:19 -0700
            Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 17:35 +0000
            Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 19:00 +0000
              Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 02:16 +0000
          Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 08:23 -0700
            Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-11 16:36 +0100
              Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 11:45 -0400
                Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 17:27 +0000
                  Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 13:45 -0400
                    Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 19:05 +0000
                      Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 18:21 -0400
                      Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 09:39 -0600
              Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-11 17:22 +0000
                Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 13:45 -0400
                  Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 02:16 +0000
                    Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 16:40 +0000
                Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-11 20:19 +0100
                  Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-11 18:21 -0400
                  Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-16 07:13 +0000
                    Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2016-08-16 17:06 +0100
                Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 02:16 +0000
                  Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> - 2016-08-14 16:39 +0000

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#33276 — Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your suggestions for improvement

I am attempting Android setup perfection - therefore I ask for your
suggestions for improvement...

As an experiment, today I reset my ancient S3 not-rooted Android phone to
factory defaults, and reinstalled all the previously existing apps from the
flash card (all without Google Play, the cloud, or a computer).

Here is a screenshot of the near-perfect desktop:
http://i.cubeupload.com/FDrkG8.png

Most apps seem to work just fine without a Google Play account:
http://i.cubeupload.com/TUcOci.gif

I ask for improvement suggestions in the following three areas:
- Either improvement in organization
- Or improvement in missing apps 
- Or further improvement in eliminating Google altogether

In a nutshell, here is what I did:
1. I reset the phone to factory defaults.
2. I installed the old apps from APKs on the sdcard.
3. Almost all the apps work just fine without a Google Play account!

The AppDrawer contains these 112 apps (some are T-Mobile required):
1) http://i.cubeupload.com/a9pq83.png
2) http://i.cubeupload.com/10PUFW.png
3) http://i.cubeupload.com/8kwCAX.png
4) http://i.cubeupload.com/bqA8GT.png
5) http://i.cubeupload.com/WkHNno.png
6) http://i.cubeupload.com/LACM69.png

The single desktop is set up with three goals in mind:
A. Pyramid shape, most used apps on top, left to right.
B. Apps never more than 1 or 2 taps away (most used are 1 tap)
C. Folders organized with most used apps left to right.

Note 1: Unused or rarely used apps remain in the app drawer.
Note 2: App icons can (and should) be in multiple logical places.
Note 3: The "Google" folder exists to test for spyware logins.

I'm constantly improving with the goal of the perfectly organized Android
mobile device, so that's why I outline the setup for you to help me improve
with your comments.

Here is the organizational tree as of this moment.

The top of the pyramid is the phone app (it is a phone after all!) while
the bottom dock is useless in a single desktop setup - it's just the bottom
row of the desktop pyramid:
- phone (top of pyramid)
- recorder (bottom of pyramid)
- sms (bottom of pyramid)
- camera (bottom of pyramid)
http://i.cubeupload.com/2FkLuw.png

The folders (in pyramid location) are:
a. *todo* http://i.cubeupload.com/5dayFF.png
b. *communicate* http://i.cubeupload.com/U1RwzI.png
c. *image* http://i.cubeupload.com/p1iDmw.png
d. *audio* http://i.cubeupload.com/JSsFcm.png
e. *video* http://i.cubeupload.com/y9Xhws.png
f. *browser* http://i.cubeupload.com/Y5FixO.png
g. *roadmap* http://i.cubeupload.com/rytr0A.png
h. *outdoor map* http://i.cubeupload.com/C5w9E5.png
i. *buy* http://i.cubeupload.com/r8Omha.png
j. *files* http://i.cubeupload.com/hsrbfN.png
k. *google* http://i.cubeupload.com/pxtfs9.png
l. *network* http://i.cubeupload.com/Zwpxlu.png
m. *system* http://i.cubeupload.com/zUOXcg.png

Since the goal is near perfection, I simply present to you what I've set up
in a few minutes, and ask what you might suggest by way of material further
improvement toward the goal of perfection.

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#33278

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:33:46 -0700
Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> Here is a screenshot of the near-perfect desktop:

Only by your standard...

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#33282

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:12:41 -0400, burfordTjustice wrote:

>> Here is a screenshot of the near-perfect desktop:
> 
> Only by your standard...

Do you really think I'm the only one on the planet who organizes things by
the standard of "A place for everything & everything in its place"?

Really?

Only me?

What's your standard?

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#33283

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:24:05 -0700
Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:12:41 -0400, burfordTjustice wrote:
> 
> >> Here is a screenshot of the near-perfect desktop:
> > 
> > Only by your standard...
> 
> Do you really think I'm the only one on the planet who organizes
> things by the standard of "A place for everything & everything in its
> place"?
> 
> Really?
> 
> Only me?
> 
> What's your standard?

Do you think anyone really gives a rats ass
about your phone? How fucking big headed of you.

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#33285

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:37:40 -0400, burfordTjustice wrote:

> Do you think anyone really gives a rats ass
> about your phone? How fucking big headed of you.

I'm amazed that you actually think that I already thought of *every*
generally useful app that goes on the typical Android cellphone.

I was pretty sure that I must have been missing some apps, since I
generally pick only the best of the best free apps to do the jobs that I do
on a cellphone.

But I can't be the only one who has the brains to find the best apps for
the job, can I?

I mean, you don't have a *single* app on your phone that you find useful
for your purposes that I don't already have?

That you even imply that is amazing - because I'm not actually *that*
smart. Really.

I'm amazed that you can't offer a *single* improvement. 
Not one?

I'm that good?

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#33287

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:16:50 -0700
Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> From: Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com>
> Subject: Re: Attempting Android setup perfection - I ask your
> suggestions for improvement Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:16:50 -0700
> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,sci.electronics.repair,alt.home.repair
> Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
> 
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:37:40 -0400, burfordTjustice wrote:
> 
> > Do you think anyone really gives a rats ass
> > about your phone? How fucking big headed of you.  
> 
> I'm amazed that you actually think that I already thought of *every*
> generally useful app that goes on the typical Android cellphone.

No one said that but you.

You avoided the question again:

Do you think anyone really gives a rats ass
about your phone? How fucking big headed of you. 

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#33289

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:20:31 -0400, burfordTjustice wrote:

> You avoided the question again:

You avoided the question (and, in fact, you avoided the topic).

Organizing a phone is no different than organizing a toolbox.
It's no different than organizing a closet.
No different than organizing a kitchen utensils drawer.

A place for everything, and everything in its place.

Given that, I'll repeat the two simple questions here:
1. How do *you* organize your phone?
2. What apps do you find are *best* for what you do?

Specifically:
1. How do *you* organize your phone?
(Please show a screenshot so that we can learn from you.)

2. What apps do you find are *best* for what you do?
(Please suggest a best-of-the-best Android app for what you do.)

Thank you for your kind advice.

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#33301

Actually, I was inspired to try doing that to my phone.  I just have to 
remember where I put certain things  (some apps fit in several different 
ones), but I suspect I'll figure it out.  I've left some to stand alone 
on the theory that either I'll want them instantaneously ("Find my car" 
or I use them so often (ES File Explorer) that I don't want to waste 
extra taps or brain-pixels.

-- 
Cheers, Bev
    Self Test for Paranoia:  You know you have it when you can't
    think of anything that's your own fault.

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#33308

On 08/11/2016 02:24 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> Actually, I was inspired to try doing that to my phone.  I just have to
> remember where I put certain things  (some apps fit in several different
> ones), but I suspect I'll figure it out.  I've left some to stand alone
> on the theory that either I'll want them instantaneously ("Find my car"
> or I use them so often (ES File Explorer) that I don't want to waste
> extra taps or brain-pixels.
>

I just put my most-frequently-used apps in the easiest-to-get-to place, 
and when something gets used often enough to make accessing it an 
annoyance, I promote it to an easier-to-access position.  Duh?

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
   [Sat Mar 26: "Documentation and Portability"]

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#33330

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:00:16 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:

> As I reported previously, that's what I do too.  It's like a cache memory
> for a computer.  Keep the most frequently used apps on the first page
> where they are one tap accessible.  That probably covers 95% of my
> usage.

My philosophy isn't your philosophy - so you'll be different.
However, I am an old guy.

Who started in the beginning.
When things were simpler.

I've seen a LOT of people who can't find their stuff.
This happens on Linux, Windows, Mac, and on mobile devices.

That's why they have to resort to crutches like searching for apps, just to
find their apps. 

To me, that's ridiculous.

For me, nothing used often is ever more than two taps away.
a. If it's frequently used, it's on the one desktop.
b. Otherwise, it's in the appropriate functional folder.
c. If it's not frequently used, its' in the app drawer.

I never allow more than one desktop.
(On iOS 8+, you're stuck with a minimum of two desktop screens, which is
idiotic but almost everything on iOS is idiotic because iOS is aimed mostly
at idiots IMHO).

Nothing (except Google becuase it's a special case) is stored by brand
name.  Note that on most computers, the installers *love* to install by
brand name. It's what Marketing People do. I don't.

But, to each his own.
To me, a perfect system is one where I can find any app instantly.

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#33284

In article <noi1r0$1n64$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> >> Here is a screenshot of the near-perfect desktop:
> > 
> > Only by your standard...
> 
> Do you really think I'm the only one on the planet who organizes things by
> the standard of "A place for everything & everything in its place"?

what you don't get is that everyone has a different notion of where to
put stuff.

there is no one single way to organize things.

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#33286

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 10:40:16 -0400, nospam wrote:

> what you don't get is that everyone has a different notion of where to
> put stuff.

Of course I get that notion.
That's exactly *why* I'm asking the two questions.

> there is no one single way to organize things.

I'm glad at least you *understand* that fundamental concept!

That's exactly why I asked the people here two fundamental questions.

1. How do *you* organize your desktop (screenshots would be useful)?

2. What apps do you find are the best freeware apps that I haven't thought
of yet?

The point is that I can't be the only one on this planet who has an
organized desktop containing only the best apps for Android.

Can I?

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#33295

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:

> Best apps?  You hardly have anything there that's an actual app.
> I see Todo, whatever that is.  Roadmap, which appears to be Google
> Maps renamed?  And the stock Android Browser.

Those are the "functional categories" of the things everyone does on their
phone. People will name them different things, and people will split them
up differently, but that's the first question.

Q: What functional categories do you organize your phone by?
By way of example, here are mine: http://i.cubeupload.com/2FkLuw.png

For my list of best-of-the-best freeware apps for each of those functional
categories, what you need is the second level, which was in the OP, but
which I reproduce here.

a. *todo* http://i.cubeupload.com/5dayFF.png
b. *communicate* http://i.cubeupload.com/U1RwzI.png
c. *image* http://i.cubeupload.com/p1iDmw.png
d. *audio* http://i.cubeupload.com/JSsFcm.png
e. *video* http://i.cubeupload.com/y9Xhws.png
f. *browser* http://i.cubeupload.com/Y5FixO.png
g. *roadmap* http://i.cubeupload.com/rytr0A.png
h. *outdoor map* http://i.cubeupload.com/C5w9E5.png
i. *buy* http://i.cubeupload.com/r8Omha.png
j. *files* http://i.cubeupload.com/hsrbfN.png
k. *google* http://i.cubeupload.com/pxtfs9.png
l. *network* http://i.cubeupload.com/Zwpxlu.png
m. *system* http://i.cubeupload.com/zUOXcg.png

Q: What best-of-the-best free apps in those functional categories did I
miss?

For example, in the "todo" category, I haven't yet found a best-of-the-best
freeware app that did what I need, which is:
1. I start the todo app
2. I speak
3. It does what I need

What I need is usually one of three things at that moment:
A. I might want it to add a line to an existing file (e.g., a buy.txt file)
B. I might want to add an appointment to my calendar (e.g., call mom at 5)
C. I might want it to remind me to get milk only when I am near the store.

Do you know of a todo app that can do those three things well?

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#33298

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 08:51:58 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:

> On my first page I have:

I agree we organize *slightly* differently in fundamentals:
a. You use "pages" (by design).
b. I never have more than a single page (by design).

But, that's just a philosophical difference.

I can justify my single-page system as being, on average, about 1/3 to 1/2
the number of taps it takes you to start an app - but that's about the only
advantage of my design over yours.

So your idea of using multiple pages is fine - the additional pages simply
add an additional one or two or three (or four or five, etc.) swipes to the
process of finding an app. 

However, there are advantages to pages, e.g., you can trade your pages for
my folders, where the number of actions is the same if you *never* put
folders on your pages.

Once you put a folder on your pages, my single-page setup is *always* more
efficient than your multi-page setup (in terms of number of taps to start
an app).

That's why I never have more than a single page on any mobile device.

In summary the best efficiency you can accomplish with each is:
SINGLE PAGE - multiple folders: one or two taps, and you're done.
MULTIPLE PAGES - 0 folders: one or two or three taps, and you're done.
MULTIPLE PAGES - with folders: can *never* be as efficient as above!

I organize by single page for efficiency.

One additional efficiency difference between your multiple-page philosophy
and my single-page philosophy is that you *need* a dock. I don't. 

Nothing wrong with needing a dock. I just don't need one because *all* my
apps are as available all the time to me as the dock apps are to you.

With a dock, you get instant view of your most common apps or folders,
whereas I *always* have instant view of my most common apps or folders.

But the two systems are, essentially equivalent.

I could argue that, in practice only, mine is fewer taps than yours, but at
best I can access my apps only two or three actions sooner than you can in
your worse case.

For example, in my worst case, it's:
[*] tap tap done

In your worst case (assuming, say, 3 screens & a folder), it's:
[*] swipe swipe tap tap done

So, I argue my single-desktop system is:
a. Harder to organize than your multi-page desktop system
b. But never more taps and most of the time about half as many taps

But, I agree, a multi-swipe system can be almost as efficient, so the
number of screens is not a big efficiency differentiator.

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#33329

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 13:14:39 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:

> It's not more taps, it's less taps when the things I use 95% of
> the time are on the first page and it's one tap.  I get to news,
> weather, chrome, email, texts, wifi, maps, voicemail and calculator.
> That's easily 95%+ of what I use the phone for. The next most
> frequently used apps are a swipe to the left plus one tap.

I won't quibble about the difference between a swipe and a tap, as I was
counting that as two taps, whereas you count it as a swipe and a tap.

Same thing. It's two motions.

But the main point is that you seem to be organized such that *you* can
find your apps.

A LOT of people aren't that organized.
Their screens are such a mess that they're even *afraid* to post them,
they're that messy.
 
> This is why these questions are pointless.  What one person considers
> as organized and convenient, someone else will have a different idea.

The question is as pointless ask asking which is your favorite DMM. 
Sure, everyone has a favorite DMM but you can still learn from the choices
that people make.

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#33288

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 07:58:19 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote:

> It sure doesn't look anything like my phone, I'm very happy with
> how mine is organized, and would not want the organization A has,
> that's for sure.

There were two questions, where you can help me *improve* my Android setup.

1. How do *you* organize your phone?
a. What philosophy do you use?
b. What categories do you use?
c. Do you have a screenshot?

2. What apps do you find are *best*?
a. I only choose the best of the best free apps.
b. And I only choose them for what "I" do.
c. But I pretty much do what everyone else does.

I find it surprising if I really have found all the best free apps for each
purpose on a cellphone. 

In fact, I'm sure I'm not that smart.
There's no way I have thought of everything.

Someone here must have either a category of apps that I entirely missed
that is generally useful, or, someone here must know of a great free app of
general use that I haven't tested and decided upon already.

So the two original and fundamental questions remain unanswered:
a. What organization category is missing from my desktop?
b. What best-of-the-best free app is missing from my phone?

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#33290

On 11/08/2016 16:23, Aardvarks wrote:
[]
> 2. What apps do you find are *best*?
> a. I only choose the best of the best free apps.
[]

Do you mean you don't have any paid-for programs?
-- 
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

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#33291

In article <noi62o$hb7$1@dont-email.me>, David Taylor
<david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> > 2. What apps do you find are *best*?
> > a. I only choose the best of the best free apps.
> []
> 
> Do you mean you don't have any paid-for programs?

that is what he means.

not only that, but he doesn't get apps from the play store, foolishly
thinking that google won't know which ones he uses.

except what he doesn't realize is that they do anyway.

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#33294

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:45:27 -0400, nospam wrote:

> not only that, but he doesn't get apps from the play store, foolishly
> thinking that google won't know which ones he uses.

I would love to learn from you - but you have to have *some* substance.

Without a Google Play account, and without the requisite Google frameworks
running, and without ever logging into anything, and ignoring the Google
apps (which, of course, phone home), how is Google going to track what
non-Google apps I use?

Remember, the best freeware:
a. Works totally offline (if possible)
b. Which goes without saying that I *never* log in (if it can be helped)
c. And, there is absolutely no Google account in existence
(that's why I have an entire google folder - to ensure none have an
account)

How is running a non-Google app offline going to tell Google anything?

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#33297

In article <noici4$8ss$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Aardvarks
<aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:

> 
> > not only that, but he doesn't get apps from the play store, foolishly
> > thinking that google won't know which ones he uses.
> 
> I would love to learn from you

bullshit you do.

anytime i or anyone else tries to explain anything to you, you go off
on a rant.

> - but you have to have *some* substance.
> 
> Without a Google Play account, and without the requisite Google frameworks
> running, and without ever logging into anything, and ignoring the Google
> apps (which, of course, phone home), how is Google going to track what
> non-Google apps I use?

rather easily, and unlike your bogus claim, you *don't* want to learn
how.

every single time it's been explained, you keep insisting it can't be
done.

google makes money by tracking people, so they're not going to make it
easy to avoid being tracked.

the reality is that if you don't want google to track you, don't use a
google phone (nexus) or a google operating system (android or chrome).

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