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  The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-19 14:47 +0000
    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-19 20:42 +0000
      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 10:39 +0000
        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-20 14:12 +0200
          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-20 19:26 +0000
        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-09-20 15:31 +0000
          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:34 +0000
          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 22:17 +0200
            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:11 +0000
              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 22:17 +0200
    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 22:08 +0000
      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-20 06:38 +0000
        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 22:36 +0000
          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-21 15:39 +0000
            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 05:23 +0000
              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-22 15:58 +0000
                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 21:40 +0000
                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-23 00:09 +0000
                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:33 +0000
                      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 02:19 +0000
                        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 06:25 +0000
                          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 16:55 +0000
                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 10:12 +0200
                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-23 16:12 +0000
                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 19:50 +0200
                      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-24 08:15 +1200
                        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-09-23 16:01 -0500
                          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 02:14 +0000
                            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 10:28 +0200
                              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 16:57 +0000
                              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-25 21:29 +1000
                                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 07:34 -0400
                                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 15:25 +0000
                                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 14:26 +0200
                                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 14:37 +0200
                                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 15:34 +0000
                                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-25 16:58 +0000
                                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:38 +0200
                                      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 23:10 +0000
                                        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-28 19:56 +0000
                                          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-29 06:49 +0000
                                            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-29 16:55 +0000
                                              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2025-09-30 08:30 +0200
                                                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-30 17:20 +0000
                                              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-30 20:50 +1000
                                                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Smithwicks <user@nonsenseurl.com.invalid> - 2025-09-30 12:02 -0400
                                                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-30 17:04 +0000
                                                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-10-01 08:36 +1300
                                                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-30 19:54 -0500
                                      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:26 +0000
                                        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 19:44 +0000
                        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 10:29 +0200
                          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 17:06 +0000
                            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 20:05 +0200
                              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-25 09:27 +1200
                                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-24 18:41 -0500
                                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 08:59 +0200
                                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 16:07 +0000
                                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:11 +0200
                                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-25 16:31 +0000
                                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:26 +0200
                                      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:30 +0000
                            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 22:09 +0000
                              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:34 +0000
                                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-26 23:10 +0000
                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-23 22:33 +0000
                      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 02:12 +0000
                        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 06:19 +0000
                          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-24 17:05 +0000
    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 11:00 +0200
      Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-20 12:48 +0000
        Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-09-20 13:54 +0000
        Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-20 16:17 +0200
          Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-21 10:09 +1200
            Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-20 23:42 -0400
            Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:51 +0200
        Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:51 +0200
          Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-24 08:18 +1200
            Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:38 -0500
              Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-24 08:39 -0400
          Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-23 21:01 +0000
            Re: Some claims about full support for the major consumer operating systems "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 03:05 +0200
      Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-22 16:42 -0700
        Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 09:09 +0200
          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-23 05:00 -0400
            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:29 +0200
          Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:10 -0700
            Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 17:45 +0200
              Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-24 23:27 -0700
                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 08:57 +0200
                  Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-09-25 09:19 -0700
                    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:21 +0200
                Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-25 04:40 -0400
    Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-21 05:28 +0000
      Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... (was: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-09-21 17:40 +1200
        Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-21 13:50 +0000
      Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-09-21 14:56 +0000
        Re: Hey Troll Boy Arlen you lying piece of shit... Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-21 15:08 +0000
    Re: The truth about full support for the major consumer operating systems Marion <marionf@fact.com> - 2025-09-26 16:39 +0000

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#150689

Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>>>> For example, your CISA "cite" doesn't match your claim.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The fact you call all these facts wrong is what you MAGA Apple trolls do.
>> 
>> <then fails to post any facts>
>> 
>>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
>>> <https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/state-backed-attackers-and-commercial-surveillance-vendors-repeatedly-use-the-same-exploits/>
>>> <https://duo.com/decipher/apple-releases-fix-for-actively-exploited-webkit-bug>
>>> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
>>> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-many-possibilities-of-cve-2019-8646.html>
>>> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/09/jitsploitation-three.html>
>>> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
>>> <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
>>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
>>> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>>> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
>>> <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
>>> <https://www.vice.com/en/article/google-project-zero-bugs-used-to-hack-iphones-and-android-phones/>
>> 
>> If you think urls are facts, then this is a root cause of your failure to
>> understand problem.
> 
> WTF? Jesus Christ, Chris.
> 
> Seriously. OMG.
> 
> You claim those facts reported in those cites are all not facts?
> What kind of strange person does such a thing?
> 
> No adult would do that, Chris.
> Not one.
> 
> Just you Apple trolls do that.
> What is wrong with you Apple trolls?
> 
> No sensible adult would say what you just said.
> Just you Apple trolls do that.
> 
> What's so wrong with you Apple trolls that you can't comprehend facts?

Again, you've proven me correct. You simply do not understand how to make a
cogent argument. Try going back to college to learn and/or get a book to
help you. Take a picture of it if it that's what you need. 

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#150698

Chris wrote:
>> What's so wrong with you Apple trolls that you can't comprehend facts?
> 
> Again, you've proven me correct. You simply do not understand how to make a
> cogent argument. Try going back to college to learn and/or get a book to
> help you. Take a picture of it if it that's what you need.

For decades, it's been the same story with you Apple flat-earthers, Chris.
You claim out of religious beliefs that the earth is flat, Chris.
The reason you claim the earth is flat is Apple told you it's flat.

Once Apple marketing has fed you that the earth is flat, no amount of adult
discussion will ever disabuse you of that notion you believe it's flat.

There's something very wrong with you rather strange Apple trolls, Chris.
No other operating system newsgroup has such odd people like you, Chris.

Just the Apple operating systems newsgroups have you strange MAGA trolls.
All you care about is to make Apple great again at any cost whatsoever.

Even to the point that you claim the earth is flat and no amount of facts
will change your religious belief system fed to you by Apple marketing.

see sig
-- 
Note that the "earth is flat" is a stand-in for facts about Apple product.

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#150665

Arlen,

>>> Notice my assessments are based on documented facts

You have a history of claiming that and similar, but always "forgetting" to 
provide support for it.  Your assurance here is therefore worth absolutily 
nothing.

> (with cites).

Newsflash: Adding a just link (to a document) is not citing.

Worse, in your case its most always a 'wild goose chase', where we are 
supposed to find the facts you suggest are in there on our own.

And funny that, I browsed one of the articles you linked to and had to read 
the author of it admitting that Apple did not provide the information he 
needed to base his conclusions on, so comprised his facts off of other 
information.

iow, your "fact" (the conclusion of the author) in there isn't even based on 
facts itself.

> Show me once, for example, where I've stated something incorrect

Well, I think I just did : your stating that your "assessments are based on 
documented facts", where they are not.

> And yet, I provided cites for every single fact I had stated, Chris.

About that, do yourself a favour and google for what citing means.

Here is one :

[quote]
What is a citation?

Citations are a way of giving credit when certain material in your work came 
from another source. *It also gives your readers the information necessary 
to find that source again*
[/quote]

(bolding mine)

The problem is that you have

1) not used "certain material" in your work, you just posted your 
conclusion.

2) not given a way to, in the document, find that "certain material" back.

As such your "(with cites)" is ... lets call it "incorrect".


Bottom line: Chris is right not to believe a word of what you claim to be 
true or the truth.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

p.s.
I provided you with some more facts in regard to comparing the support times 
of Android to Windows.  For some reason I've not seen you respond to that. 
How come ?

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#150669

R.Wieser wrote:
>>>> Notice my assessments are based on documented facts
> 
> You have a history of claiming that and similar, but always "forgetting" to 
> provide support for it.  Your assurance here is therefore worth absolutily 
> nothing.

Name a single fact I stated in the post to Chris you feel is wrong.

Note that an intelligent person would understand the difference between a
fact and an assessment of that fact - which Chris has never understood.

Do you even understand the difference (between fact & assessment of fact)?

This is a fact:
 iOS has had about 1-1/2 times the known exploits as had Android.

This is a credible cite for that fact:
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Note that it takes no brains to claim that cite doesn't say that fact, but
it takes actual intelligence to pull the information out of that cite.

It takes intelligence, Rudy.
Intelligence.

That's a big word, Rudy.
Intelligence.

It takes intelligence to comprehend facts, Rudy.
Intelligence.

It takes nothing to refute facts, Rudy.
But it takes intelligence to comprehend facts, Rudy.

I can't stress the word "intelligence" more in that anyone who wants to
refute the facts in that cite will require intelligence if they try.

It's easier for stupid people to simply say "all facts are wrong".
That's what the Apple trolls have done their entire lives, Rudy.

For anyone to even try to refute the CISA fact, they can't just say that
the fact isn't "jumping out" for them as it takes intelligence to
understand what the CISA report is saying about zero-day known exploits.

They have to own an IQ sufficient to understand what that cite tells you.
They need to own even more intelligence to refute that documented fact.

Since trolls don't own the intelligence all they can do is say it's wrong.
Just like you did just now in your response (which contained only opinion).

Anyone who claims all CISA facts are wrong, simply needs to show the rest
of us that they own the intelligence necessary to understand the report.

Here, I'll give you the process that a "normal" person would use:
 1. A normal person might not believe my assessment of the CISA report
 2. A troll simply says my assessment is a fact and that it's wrong.
 3. But a normal person would read the CISA report 
 4. An intelligent normal person would actually understand that report.
 5. An intelligent person would then form their own conclusion from it.

Out of a million intelligent people, a million would form the same
assessment from that report that I did - since it's what the report says.

Note the emphasis on intelligence because it's required to assess facts.
Once you assess the CISA report for facts, I'll give you another fact:
  *About software updates for Apple devices*
 <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
    "not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions"

But two facts in a row is more than the trolls can handle (let alone a
dozen), so just look at the CISA report and tell us what it informs you.

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#150673

Arlen,

>> You have a history of claiming that and similar, but always "forgetting" 
>> to
>> provide support for it.  Your assurance here is therefore worth 
>> absolutily
>> nothing.
>
> Name a single fact I stated in the post to Chris you feel is wrong.

I'm sorry that you could not parse my post far enough to see that I already 
gave you several.  Not really my problem though.

Besides, you have always refused to do so when I asked you for the same. 
Why should I do anything different ?

But I got a cite fore you : news:10atkq4$2sgsa$2@dont-email.me .  Its in 
there, you only have to read and find it.

> Do you even understand the difference (between fact & assessment of fact)?

And you doubt I do on the basis of .... what ?

> This is a fact:
> iOS has had about 1-1/2 times the known exploits as had Android.

Ah yes, the old "lets try to change the subject" attempt.  Rejected.

> Note that it takes no brains to claim that cite

Ah yes, your old bluntly ignoring of facts that are brought forward by 
anyone than yourself I see.  In this case that a simple link isn't a cite.

> doesn't say that fact, but it takes actual intelligence to pull
> the information out of that cite.

I sincerely doubt that it needed intelligence.  You *wanted* to find 
something in there, so you did.

I could ask you to quote everything you based your assessment on and 
show/explain how you combined them, but you and I (and likely everyone else 
here) already know that you will refuse to do so.


And remarkable, although my post was about Windows and Android, you *had* to 
talk about IOS here, and nothing else.   But don't worry, i'm sure nobody 
noticed it ...

> It takes nothing to refute facts, Rudy.

Indeed, as you've always show us by refusing to respond to any of the facts 
we post.

> But it takes intelligence to comprehend facts, Rudy.

Absolutily.  Your point ?

[snip some ranting]

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#150674

On 2025-09-23 17:50:08 +0000, R.Wieser said:
> Arlen,
>>> 
>>> You have a history of claiming that and similar, but always 
>>> "forgetting" to provide support for it.  Your assurance here is 
>>> therefore worth absolutily nothing.
>> 
>> Name a single fact I stated in the post to Chris you feel is wrong.
> 
> I'm sorry that you could not parse my post far enough to see that I 
> already gave you several.  Not really my problem though.
<snip>

Nobody needs to name a *single* "fact" that the village idiot "Arlen" 
posts which is wrong ... when absolutely *EVERYTHING* that moron posts 
is completely wrong!!   :-\

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#150676

On 9/23/2025 3:15 PM, Your Name wrote:

> Nobody needs to name a *single* "fact" that the village idiot "Arlen" 
> posts which is wrong ... when absolutely *EVERYTHING* that moron posts 
> is completely wrong!!   😕

I wish everyone would simply filter him out.  He craves attention and 
you all keep giving it to him.  Kill file on him made this iPhone group 
usable again.  I see recently he has been trying to destroy the windows 
groups like he did the phone groups with the same method of starting out 
asking simple questions, then delving into complete chaos.  Not worth 
reading anything he posts, and responding to him is worse.

KILL FILE THE FUCKER AND BE DONE WITH IT!

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#150685

Chris wrote:
>> Name a single fact I stated in the post to Chris you feel is wrong.
> 
> What is even the point? You never, ever accept anything. It's always deny,
> deflect, ignore. Always. 

Heh heh heh... 
Apple trolls claim everything they simply can't understand, must be wrong.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

You're the one who said every single fact was wrong, Chris. Not me. 
Yet you can't name even one fact I had posted in this thread that's wrong.

It's what you Apple trolls do, Chris.

To you Apple trolls, every fact you are unaware of, to you, must be wrong.
Which is every fact.

> 
>> Do you even understand the difference (between fact & assessment of fact)?
>> 
>> This is a fact:
>>  iOS has had about 1-1/2 times the known exploits as had Android.
> 
> Yet again you're wrong. That's an assertion or claim. Not a fact. 

It's a fact Chris. It's right there in your face, Chris.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

It's basic arithmetic math, Chris.

The fact you claim all math must be wrong that you don't know, simply means
you're an Apple troll who can't even count the number of exploits listed.

> 
>> This is a credible cite for that fact:
>>  <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
> 
> No it isn't. Simply because you can't count and have never proven your
> assertion. Which ultimately makes it a lie. 

Heh heh heh... I've done the math Chris. You can't do the math.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

So you claim simple arithmetic math must be wrong. 
It's what you Apple trolls do.

Do you want extra credit, Chris?
Q: Why doesn't the 1-1/2 iOS:Android ratio change from year to year, Chris?
A: ?

Note that when you can answer *that* question, it will show for the first
time in your entire life that you actually understood what adults can.

>> Note that it takes no brains to claim that cite doesn't say that fact, but
>> it takes actual intelligence to pull the information out of that cite.
> 
> Which you lack. As you've never shown your workings. 
> 
> Plus the fact that you don't accept that CISA is not a source of absolute
> truth and therefore cannot be used to make absolute assertions. 
> 
> An intelligent person would accept this and move on.

Chris, 

Prove me wrong, Chris. Do the math. 
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Heh heh heh... you can't. You don't know how to add up numbers, Chris.

Heh heh heh... since you can't do the math, you claim the math is wrong.
Because you can't do it yourself.

I've studied you strange Apple trolls for years, just as Dunning & Kruger
studied the strange people who lack basic cognitive skills.

I already knew, years ago, when I first taught you about the CISA report,
that you would outright deny every single thing reported in that report.

Why?
Because it shows the iOS exploits to be far more than Android exploits.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

That's just a fact, Chris.
That you can't comprehend that fact doesn't make that fact not a fact.

Do the math before you respond since all you're doing is proving my point.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Apple trolls deny all facts because they can't stand those facts exist.

It's what Apple trolls do.

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#150690

Arlen,

> Chris wrote:
>>> Name a single fact I stated in the post to Chris you feel is wrong.
>>
>> What is even the point? You never, ever accept anything. It's always 
>> deny,
>> deflect, ignore. Always.
>
> Heh heh heh...
> Apple trolls claim everything they simply can't understand, must be wrong.

Heh heh heh...

Arlen is the troll who refuses to even respond to anything he simply can't 
understand - and therefore it - must be wrong.

Funny how such accusations work two ways, isn't it ? :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#150699

Chris wrote:
>> What's so wrong with you Apple trolls that you can't comprehend facts?
> 
> Again, you've proven me correct. You simply do not understand how to make a
> cogent argument. Try going back to college to learn and/or get a book to
> help you. Take a picture of it if it that's what you need.

For decades, it's been the same story with you Apple flat-earthers, Chris.
You claim out of religious beliefs that the earth is flat, Chris.
The reason you claim the earth is flat is Apple told you it's flat.

Once Apple marketing has fed you that the earth is flat, no amount of adult
discussion will ever disabuse you of that notion you believe it's flat.

There's something very wrong with you rather strange Apple trolls, Chris.
No other operating system newsgroup has such odd people like you, Chris.

Just the Apple operating systems newsgroups have you strange MAGA trolls.
All you care about is to make Apple great again at any cost whatsoever.

Even to the point that you claim the earth is flat and no amount of facts
will change your religious belief system fed to you by Apple marketing.

see sig
-- 
Note that the "earth is flat" is a stand-in for facts about Apple product.

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#150713

On 24/09/2025 6:28 pm, R.Wieser wrote:
> Arlen,
>> Chris wrote:
>>>> Name a single fact I stated in the post to Chris you feel is wrong.
>>>
>>> What is even the point? You never, ever accept anything. It's always
>>> deny,
>>> deflect, ignore. Always.
>>
>> Heh heh heh...
>> Apple trolls claim everything they simply can't understand, must be wrong.
> 
> Heh heh heh...
> 
> Arlen is the troll who refuses to even respond to anything he simply can't
> understand - and therefore it - must be wrong.
> 
> Funny how such accusations work two ways, isn't it ? :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser
> 
Rudy, if you don't mind .... who is this 'Chris' that 'Arlen'/'Marion' 
is replying to??

Is 'Chris' posting to one of the phone groups (iphone/andriod) but I'm 
not seeing that actual post in the Win-10 group, just 'Arlen'/'Marion' 
quoting of them??
-- 
Daniel70

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#150714

On 09/25/2025 07:29, Daniel70 wrote:
> Rudy, if you don't mind .... who is this 'Chris' that 'Arlen'/'Marion'
> is replying to??
> 
> Is 'Chris' posting to one of the phone groups (iphone/andriod) but I'm
> not seeing that actual post in the Win-10 group, just 'Arlen'/'Marion'
> quoting of them??

Chris is one of Arlen's antagonists on the iPhone group.

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#150717

badgolferman wrote:
>> Is 'Chris' posting to one of the phone groups (iphone/andriod) but I'm
>> not seeing that actual post in the Win-10 group, just 'Arlen'/'Marion'
>> quoting of them??
> 
> Chris is

Chris usually posts to the Apple newsgroup defending Apple to the death.

You can quote the facts inside the links a thousand times, and they will
ask you in the next post for the same cite you gave them a thousand times.

You can provide the link and the data in the link a thousand times even.

The Apple trolls *never* even click on the links before claiming that all
links that say anything bad about Apple products cannot possibly be true.

It's what Apple trolls have done for decades on the OS Usenet newsgroups.
 *If it didn't come from Apple marketing - then - to them - it's a lie.*

Apple trolls naturally do not like that iOS' written full support pledge is
the shortest of the leading flagships at 2 years less than Google/Samsung.
 *Apple finally confirms in writing how long it will fully support iPhones* 
 *and it's 2 years less than Samsung Galaxy S and Google flagship support*
 <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

You can provide that cite a thousand times to the Apple trolls, and a
thousand times they will claim it's "just a URL" since they don't read it.

Why?
I think it may be as simple as Apple trolls *hate* anything bad ever being
said about their beloved product line so they defend Apple to the death by
doing the first thing that comes to their mind - which is deny all facts.

Note: Android owners don't complain Microsoft support for Windows is far
longer than Android support - by way of contrast how normal people act.
 Microsoft: About 10 years of full support, multiple versions
 Samsung/Google: 7 years promised written full support, multiple versions
 iOS: 5 years promised written full support, only a single OS version ever!

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#150715

Daniel70,

> Rudy, if you don't mind .... who is this 'Chris' that 'Arlen'/'Marion' is 
> replying to??

I /assume/ its a real person ... :-)

The last post of his in this, the alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup seems to 
be at Sunday, September 21, 2025 00:36 .

> Is 'Chris' posting to one of the phone groups (iphone/andriod) but I'm not 
> seeing that actual post in the Win-10 group, just 'Arlen'/'Marion' quoting 
> of them??

I just took a peek at both newsgroups, but there is something funny going 
on.  I can see a whole subtree of posts between the two starting at Fri, 19 
Sep 2025 22:08:42 UTC in comp.mobile.android, but can't find the same back 
in alt.comp.os.windows-10.

Than again, Chris has made several attempts to remove the 
alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup, only to have arlen re-add it.  That might 
something to do with it I guess.

Strange though that in this, the alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup, several 
posts of arlen aimed at Chris seem to have a post of mine as its parent ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#150716

> Strange though that in this, the alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup,
> several posts of arlen aimed at Chris seem to have a post of mine as its 
> parent ...

Ah, ofcourse: as the parent (Chris'es) post does not exist in the 
alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup no message-ID is added to the 'Reference:' 
line there, causing it to make it look as if the grandparent is the parent.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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#150718

The Known Exploited Vulnerabilities (KEV) Catalog is the authoritative list
of CVEs that are confirmed to be exploited in the wild.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

CISA publishes the catalog in CSV and JSON formats, which include
searchable fields like vendor/project, product, CVE ID, and description. 
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

You can quote the facts inside the links a thousand times, and they will
ask you in the next post for the same cite you gave them a thousand times.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

You can provide the link and the data in the link a thousand times even.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

The Apple trolls *never* even click on the links before claiming that all
links that say anything bad about Apple products cannot possibly be true.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

It's what Apple trolls have done for decades on the OS Usenet newsgroups.
 *If it didn't come from Apple marketing - then - to them - it's a lie.*
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Apple trolls naturally do not like that iOS' written full support pledge is
the shortest of the leading flagships at 2 years less than Google/Samsung.
The government report on the known iOS' exploits found in the wild are
just under 1-1/2 times that of the known exploits of all Android devices.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

You can provide that cite a thousand times to the Apple trolls, and a
thousand times they will claim it's "just a URL" since they don't click it.
 <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Why?
I think it may be as simple as Apple trolls *hate* anything bad ever being
said about their beloved product line so they defend Apple to the death by
doing the first thing that comes to their mind - which is deny all facts.

Note: Windows owners don't complain they have far more active exploits - by
way of contrast how normal people act when confronted with factual data.

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#150722

R.Wieser <address@is.invalid> wrote:
> Daniel70,
> 
>> Rudy, if you don't mind .... who is this 'Chris' that 'Arlen'/'Marion' is 
>> replying to??
> 
> I /assume/ its a real person ... :-)
> 
> The last post of his in this, the alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup seems to 
> be at Sunday, September 21, 2025 00:36 .
> 
>> Is 'Chris' posting to one of the phone groups (iphone/andriod) but I'm not 
>> seeing that actual post in the Win-10 group, just 'Arlen'/'Marion' quoting 
>> of them??
> 
> I just took a peek at both newsgroups, but there is something funny going 
> on.  I can see a whole subtree of posts between the two starting at Fri, 19 
> Sep 2025 22:08:42 UTC in comp.mobile.android, but can't find the same back 
> in alt.comp.os.windows-10.
> 
> Than again, Chris has made several attempts to remove the 
> alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup, only to have arlen re-add it.  That might 
> something to do with it I guess.

Absolutely. I removed win10 because the discussion - I use that term
loosely - was irrelevant to that ng. Marion just likes to share his idiocy
far and wide...

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#150725

Chris,

>> Than again, Chris has made several attempts to remove the
>> alt.comp.os.windows-10 newsgroup, only to have arlen re-add it.
>> That might something to do with it I guess.
>
> Absolutely. I removed win10 because the discussion - I use that term
> loosely - was irrelevant to that ng.

That's what I assumed.

> Marion just likes to share his idiocy far and wide...

Yep.

Did you know he actually calmed down in that regard ?  I've seen him include 
more than three newsgroups (can't do more using ES), and rather often ones 
that had absolutily zero to do with his subject.  Maybe he got told off ?

Hey, maybe he's growing outof this "I'm the best, and nobody can tell me 
otherwise" chest-thumping of his.

... I'm allowed to dream, am I ?.  :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser 

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#150748

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Marion <marionf@fact.com> wrote:
>> My argument is that Apple support is the *worst* in the industry.
>> 
>> While the trolls (who know nothing about the topic at hand) troll, 
>> these are on-topic facts about the TRUTH of operating system support.
> 
> Shouting doesn't make your errors or lies any more true. 
> 
>> These are proven cited facts we covered in depth already on this thread.
>> 
>> 1. *iOS written legally-obligated promised full support is far shorter*
>> than that of Google/Samsung flagships (i.e., about 1/3rd shorter).
>> Windows takes the cake though, in terms of years of full support. 
>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
> 
> Factcheck: ambiguous. There's no "legal obligation" required here and the
> quoted support timelines are minimums.

Correction there is a UK regulation, but it requires information on
"minimum security updates ", not full support as you claim. 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uk-product-security-and-telecommunications-infrastructure-product-security-regime

Also the Android authority states:

"Some iPhones have received security updates six or more years after the
initial release, which is far more support than the vast majority of
Android devices receive."

Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious
strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support. 

> 
>> 2. *iOS has had 1-1/2 times the known exploits as Android has had.*
>> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
> 
> You have been told and corrected many times that that claim is not
> supported by the URL and you *never* show your workings. 
> 
> Factcheck: does not support claim. 
> 
>> (But Windows takes the cake many times over in terms of exploits). 
>> <https://blog.ostorlab.co/known_exploitable_vulnerabilities_catching_them_all.html> 
> 
> You're conflating Microsoft/Apple with Windows/iOS. If you actually looking
> at the CISA link you boringly post all the time you'd see the difference.
> NB: remember that searching for "iOS" also finds cisco's IOS and FortiOS.
> 
> Factcheck: does not support the claim. 
> 
>> 3. *Apple has never fully supported more than a single release* while
>> every other major OS OEM has fully supported multiple releases.
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/deployment/depc4c80847a/web>
>> Android takes the cake here but Windows isn't too shoddy either.
> 
> Your link contradicts you. The very bottom table shows that iOS 18.7 and
> iOS 26 are both fully supported until 15th December. 
> 
> Factcheck: does not support the claim. 
> 
>> Keeping on topic and not responding to the trolls who can only subtract
>> value since they know nothing about the topic, here is yet another
>> well-cited fact about Apple's astoundingly atrocious QA process.
>> 
>> 4. *Large portions of the iOS code have never once been through testing!*
>> 
>> Google Project Zero - A very deep dive into iOS Exploit chains found in the
>> wild
>> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
>> "We'll see cases of code which seems to have never worked, code that
>> likely skipped QA or likely had little testing or review before being
>> shipped to users."
>> This is explicit acknowledgement that significant portions of iOS shipped
>> with untested or nonfunctional code.
>> 
>> Google Threat Analysis Group - State-backed attackers and commercial
>> surveillance vendors repeatedly use the same exploits
>> <https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/state-backed-attackers-and-commercial-surveillance-vendors-repeatedly-use-the-same-exploits/>
>> "In each iteration of the watering hole campaigns, the attackers used
>> exploits that were identical or strikingly similar to exploits previously
>> used by commercial surveillance vendors."
>> 
>> Project Zero - JITSploitation: Three zero-days and one cached JIT spray
>> <https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2020/09/jitsploitation-three.html>
>> "This three-part series highlights the technical challenges involved in
>> finding and exploiting JavaScript engine vulnerabilities in modern web
>> browsers and evaluates current exploit mitigation technologies."
>> This shows Apple's mitigations werenąt catching known exploit patterns.
>> 
>> Vice - Google Project Zero bugs used to hack iPhones and Android phones
>> <https://www.vice.com/en/article/google-project-zero-bugs-used-to-hack-iphones-and-android-phones>
>> "Researchers at Google's Project Zero uncovered vulnerabilities in WebKit
>> and JIT engines that were quietly patched by Apple and Google after being
>> exploited in the wild."
>> The need for third-party researchers to find and exploit these flaws
>> indicates they were not caught by Apple's in-house testing.
> 
> factcheck: claim it's overblown with respect to very detailed and narrow
> analyses. 
> 
>> In summary, above are FACTS which the trolls can't understand nor dispute.
>> But those facts play into my assessment *iOS is the worst supported OS*.
> 
> None of your above claims are facts. Plus your global claim is a
> comparative statement ("worst"). 3-4 of your claims only relate to iOS and
> make no relative judgement compared to other OSes. Your sources cannot say
> whether iOS is better or worse than the others. 
> 
> In summary, as per usual, you're talking out of your arse. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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#150782

Chris wrote:
> Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious
> strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.

The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris.

FACTS:

 *Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones* 
 *(5 years) &  it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
 <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

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