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Re: Joel won't, so I will (was Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting

From -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Joel won't, so I will (was Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting
Date 2024-12-04 16:30 -0500
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On 12/1/24 8:23 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> 
>> Joel>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't suck for an external drive, using an external
>>>>>> drive sucks as a continuous solution.
>>
>> Alan>>> Why?
>>
>> Joel>>
>>>> If I want two drives, I want them both internal.  However, since I
>>>> have no wish to dual-boot Winblows, I don't need a second drive.
>>
>> Alan>
>>> 1. That's not an answer. That's saying the same thing by different
>>> words.
>>>
>>> 2. Having two drives has nothing to do with whether or not you are
>>> dual-booting.
>>
>> My observation is that it depends on what the workflow use case needs
>> are for if two drives are better (or needed) vs one, as well as if these
>> are better (or worse) served by both being internal vs
>> internal/external, etc.
>>
>> For example, contemplate the baseline 3-2-1 data backup strategy of
>> having three backup copies at all times, preferably over two mediums,
>> and having at least one be remote site located.  FYI, 'remote site' is
>> to mitigate single point failure risks such as a home fire destroying
>> everything. Ditto lightning strikes if all are continuously plugged in.
>>
>> So for a home user, what's the hardware solution for rotating a backup
>> copy to a remote site?  The main simple options today are either to:
>>
>> a) pay $$ to rent Cloud storage,
>> or
>> b) an external hard drive: unplug and sneaker-net it to the remote.
>>
>>
>> A common trade-off on option (a) is one's ISP:  bandwidth speed
>> limitations and monthly quota restrictions may interfere.
>>
>> For option (b), if you want to have an internal bay instead of an
>> external HDD, that's fine ... but you're now looking at having to shut
>> down your entire PC, opening the case, and yanking out this internally
>> installed drive for each transfer to remote.  How frequently will
>> depends on your risk tolerance...a common best practice IIRC is weekly.
> 
> 
> In fairness, since a Mac system is unlikely to dual-boot, compared to
> a PC, the hardware from Apple isn't totally terrible. 

Where "isn't totally terrible" is stuff that's 30%-300% faster than your 
supposedly 'high end' system.

> My machine
> isn't really different, it just divides the SoC into different parts.
> It's just that if I had some need for Windows, I would be able to
> install it comfortably, ... 

If one wants to run Windows, just do it in a VM.  BTDT.

> ... or if I wanted to have a second modern drive
> for some other reason.

Which will just need to be on an 'external PCIe' instead of internal.

Or use network attached storage.  If you don't want to buy a NAS, see if 
your OS allows for sharing directories and use an old PC as a host.  And 
if you think its visually unappealing, put it in another room.

-hh



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Joel won't, so I will (was Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-11-26 15:36 -0800
  Re: Joel won't, so I will (was Re: Bungling Apple Lost the Plot on Texting Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-11-26 18:56 -0500
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