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| Started by | Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2014-03-11 16:18 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-03-17 07:41 +0100 |
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Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-11 16:18 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-11 17:14 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-11 21:14 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-12 02:49 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-12 04:08 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-12 08:08 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-12 08:26 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-11 17:20 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-03-11 20:24 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2014-03-11 20:48 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-11 19:49 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-11 20:49 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2014-03-11 23:17 +0100
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-12 01:01 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-12 09:43 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-12 21:15 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2014-03-12 08:04 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-12 08:58 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2014-03-12 09:07 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Memnon Anon <memnon+usenet@freeshell.org> - 2014-03-12 11:04 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-12 21:04 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Morten Nygaard Åsnes <mnaasnes@gmail.com> - 2014-03-12 12:46 +0100
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-12 10:16 -0400
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-12 14:21 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-12 16:21 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? David Jones <david.jones@fmail.co.uk> - 2014-03-12 16:43 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-12 17:14 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-03-13 06:32 +0000
Re: Ask Usenet: How do you manage your passwords? "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-03-17 07:41 +0100
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 21:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnli1iue.c1r.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #1513 |
In message <ynpu8usfhe42.fsf@odin.sdf-eu.org> Memnon Anon <memnon+usenet@freeshell.org> wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> writes: >> In message <lfp4eo$mue$1@dont-email.me> >> Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:18:37 +0000, Randy Westlund wrote: >>> Text file, symmetrically encrypted with GPG. >+1. >> Doesn't allow you to store screeshots, scans of important documents, > ? > This thread is about storing your passwords in a secure way. > How exactly are scans of important documents related to that? They are also things that you need to store securely in a digital form (well, at least I do.) -- You could save people. You could get there in the nick of time. And something could snap its fingers and say, no , it has to be that way. Let me tell you how it has to be. This is how the legend goes. --Soul Music
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| From | Morten Nygaard Åsnes <mnaasnes@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 12:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <slrnli0i8f.uep.mnaasnes@teamroboto.com> |
| In reply to | #1466 |
On 2014-03-11, Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> wrote: > I'm really curious about password managers such as LastPass, > KeePass, and pass. > > https://lastpass.com/ > http://keepass.info/ > http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ > > I really like the ability to use ridiculously strong passwords, but > I'm concerned about limited accessibility to them. What if I need > to check my account balance on my phone when I'm out at a store > somewhere? What if I'm on someone else's windows machine and can't > ssh into my server (assuming I use pass) or my browser plugins > (assuming I use a browser-based utility). This is the trade-off > between security and convenience, and finding the right balance is > difficult. > > For those of you who use password managers, how do you handle these > situations? For those of you who don't, what password management > strategy do you use? I use Lastpass for all my passwords (including wifi passwords, router passwords, and things like that). I have a long phrase as my master password, in addition to using two-factor authentication with Google Authenticator for extra security. There is an Android app for Lastpass, so I always have access to my passwords, as long as I have my phone with me (always). -- ~ ~ ~ :wq
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| From | Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 10:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <r6q0i9tehcm0a8e4iopi2lc7d8s6do3rcn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1466 |
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:18:37 +0000 (UTC), Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> wrote: 0 >I'm really curious about password managers such as LastPass, >KeePass, and pass. > >https://lastpass.com/ >http://keepass.info/ >http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ I've been happy using individual TXT files for each website, then all stored in a TrueCrypt container with a nice strong password. I keep the file itself on the local network, accessible by all home PCs, with a synced copy on the laptops. Even use it on my smartphone, where it is triply protected (PIN on the phone, PIN to access to the app, then password on the truecrypt file; given the strength of the last, the first two are probably redundant ;-). If I /really/ wanted to, I guess I could also put the truecrypt file on dropbox or similar but - strong as my password may be - putting it out on the net just seems to be tempting fate. Anyway, putting it on dropbox would mainly be so I could access the file on the road, which would probably mean using either an untrustworthy network or computer. So I don't see the point. I prefer using TXT files because it allows me to customize the information more than most password stores. So not only can I keep track of username and password, but also the answers to those "secret questions", old passwords, purchase dates, etc. Plus, as necessary I can add in non-TXT files (for instance, I have a spreadsheet with all my Serial numbers for software products). And I personally find navigating a file system to be faster than working through the index of any app (although YMMV). Not saying my way is the best way, but it works for me. The only major disadvantage is that I need to have compatible software (e.g., a TrueCrypt client) on every PC. Fortunately, Truecrypt decryptors are available on almost every major platform so it isn't much of a problem.
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 14:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140312142121.24008d40.rsw@therandymon.com> |
| In reply to | #1466 |
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> wrote: > My parents had their ebay account hacked last night, and the guy who > had control of it was buying dodgecoin and litecoin as fast as he > could. I'm helping them deal with the situation, and finally > convinced them not to use the same dictionary word as a password on > all their accounts. The incident has caused me to reflect on how I > can better manage my own passwords. > > Currently, I use a common crappy password on unimportant sites, and > a serious one for important accounts with a common base that varies > based on the domain name. But I'm worried that if a human were to > recover the plaintext of my password for one site, they may be able > to figure out my passwords for other sites as well. > > I'm really curious about password managers such as LastPass, > KeePass, and pass. > > https://lastpass.com/ > http://keepass.info/ > http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ > > I really like the ability to use ridiculously strong passwords, but > I'm concerned about limited accessibility to them. What if I need > to check my account balance on my phone when I'm out at a store > somewhere? What if I'm on someone else's windows machine and can't > ssh into my server (assuming I use pass) or my browser plugins > (assuming I use a browser-based utility). This is the trade-off > between security and convenience, and finding the right balance is > difficult. > > For those of you who use password managers, how do you handle these > situations? For those of you who don't, what password management > strategy do you use? I use DataVault on my Android phone as I have something like 200 unique passwords. It works great on a high end phone but also worked well on Gingerbread. I chose it because they also sell a Mac OSX app that allows me to back up my phone and/or synchronize it to my Mac. I'm not comfortable with cloud storage of really any type, thinking if they get my password file they've got it all. I find Datavault good, but it's expensive as phone apps go - $9 or something. Paid apps tend to be better quality in my opinion, as the understanding of customer/client 'rights' is clearer. *Somewhere* recently I just saw mention of a *Nix CLI password app that people seem to like, and for the life of me I can't remember where I saw it or what the app was, but it seemed interesting to me at the time.
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| From | Rich <rich@example.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 16:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <532089a3$0$2682$c3e8da3$66d3cc2f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #1516 |
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:18:37 +0000 (UTC) > Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > For those of you who use password managers, how do you handle these > > situations? For those of you who don't, what password management > > strategy do you use? > ... > *Somewhere* recently I just saw mention of a *Nix CLI password app > that people seem to like, and for the life of me I can't remember > where I saw it or what the app was, but it seemed interesting to me > at the time. Was it possibly this?: http://nsd.dyndns.org/pwsafe/
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| From | David Jones <david.jones@fmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 16:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87mwgvz7t7.fsf@fmail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #1516 |
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes: > *Somewhere* recently I just saw mention of a *Nix CLI password app that > people seem to like, and for the life of me I can't remember where I > saw it or what the app was, but it seemed interesting to me at the time. I've been using pass[1] for a week or so, it stores passwords as GPG-encrypted files under a directory hierarchy. I'm appreciating the simplicity compared to GUI apps like keepassx. [1]: http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-12 17:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lfq4mj$ee7$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #1528 |
David Jones <david.jones@fmail.co.uk> Wrote in message: > RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes: > >> *Somewhere* recently I just saw mention of a *Nix CLI password app that >> people seem to like, and for the life of me I can't remember where I >> saw it or what the app was, but it seemed interesting to me at the time. > > I've been using pass[1] for a week or so, it stores passwords as > GPG-encrypted files under a directory hierarchy. I'm appreciating the > simplicity compared to GUI apps like keepassx. > > [1]: http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ > That's the one. Thanks! --
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| From | Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-13 06:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lfrje1$rbd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1530 |
On 2014-03-12, RS Wood wrote: > David Jones <david.jones@fmail.co.uk> Wrote in message: >> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes: >> >>> *Somewhere* recently I just saw mention of a *Nix CLI password app that >>> people seem to like, and for the life of me I can't remember where I >>> saw it or what the app was, but it seemed interesting to me at the time. >> >> I've been using pass[1] for a week or so, it stores passwords as >> GPG-encrypted files under a directory hierarchy. I'm appreciating the >> simplicity compared to GUI apps like keepassx. >> >> [1]: http://www.zx2c4.com/projects/password-store/ >> > > That's the one. Thanks! This is the one I'd really like to use. What I really like about pass: - dead simple, just strings together existing tools - can store passwords in a directory structure that I can browse myself - I can access everything by invoking gpg manually, bypassing pass entirely - native git integration, for password version control and syncing But I can't find a reasonable way to access this from android. There's an experimental iOS app, but nothing for android :( The other reasonable CLI manager is pwsafe. Because it uses the Password Safe file format, it's compatible with that whole family -- Password Safe, Password Gorilla, PasswdSafe (android), etc. So unless someone here has figured out how to use pass from android, it looks like I'll be running with pwsafe.
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| From | "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-03-17 07:41 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <g1iiva-utf.ln1@7398004cd8ad880124144d3c685567d7.anonymous> |
| In reply to | #1466 |
On 2014-03-11, Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Currently, I use a common crappy password on unimportant sites, and > a serious one for important accounts with a common base that varies > based on the domain name. I do the same. > But I'm worried that if a human were to > recover the plaintext of my password for one site, they may be able > to figure out my passwords for other sites as well. Then make sure, noone gets the plaintext password :-) I usually use a base-password + something site-based, feed it to a hashing algorithm and then use the base64 encoded output as a password. For base64-encoding, I have a Javascript on my homepage, whith a manifest file do cache it as a HTML5 app - works offline, does not go through an App-store. I imagine there is still a risk someone could hack this scheme by having a key-logger on my system or by hacking my homepage and modifying the javascript, but that would have to be a targeted, personalized attack; I just assume I'm neither rich nor important enough for that. -- Trolling is a art! My public-key is available on http://tinyurl.com/ps9r99y
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