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  70 years ago today Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-06 13:20 +0000
    Re: 70 years ago today Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> - 2014-06-06 16:26 +0200
      Re: 70 years ago today Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-06-06 14:31 +0000
        Re: 70 years ago today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-06 16:59 +0100
      Re: 70 years ago today Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-06 16:45 +0000
      Re: 70 years ago today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-06 18:13 +0100
        Re: 70 years ago today Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-06 17:20 +0000
        Re: 70 years ago today scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-06-06 18:10 +0000
        Re: 70 years ago today Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> - 2014-06-06 22:26 +0200
          Re: 70 years ago today Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-06-06 21:15 +0000
            Re: 70 years ago today Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> - 2014-06-06 23:40 +0200
              Re: 70 years ago today Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-06-07 17:53 +0000
              Re: 70 years ago today Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-07 23:27 +0000
                Re: 70 years ago today Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> - 2014-06-08 18:30 +0200
                  Re: 70 years ago today David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2014-06-08 12:38 -0700
                    Re: 70 years ago today Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> - 2014-06-08 21:55 +0200
                      Re: 70 years ago today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-08 23:46 +0100
                  Re: 70 years ago today Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-06-08 19:42 -0600
                    Re: 70 years ago today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-09 10:42 +0100
                      Re: 70 years ago today Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2014-06-09 14:19 -0500
          Re: 70 years ago today Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-06-10 14:47 +0000
      Re: 70 years ago today greymausg@mail.com - 2014-06-06 17:59 +0000
        Re: 70 years ago today Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-06-07 18:58 +0100
          Re: 70 years ago today Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> - 2014-06-08 00:15 +0200
          Re: 70 years ago today Jon Lane <jon@dorsal.tk> - 2014-06-25 17:15 +0000
    Re: 70 years ago today MG <marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> - 2014-06-07 15:16 +0200
    Re: 70 years ago today Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-07 18:46 +0200
    Re: 70 years ago today hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel Hammerschmidt) - 2014-06-08 20:13 +0200
    Re: 70 years ago today RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-09 10:16 +0000
      Re: 70 years ago today MG <marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> - 2014-06-12 13:15 +0200
        Re: 70 years ago today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-12 15:07 +0100
          Re: 70 years ago today MG <marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> - 2014-06-12 23:14 +0200
            Re: 70 years ago today Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-12 22:41 +0100

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#3604

On 2014-06-06, Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> wrote:
> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> writes:
>
>> Why d'ye think it would be minor? If you can read the
>> other side's codes, and they don't know it, it can
>> make a huge difference.
>
> It can, but it didn't. The war was decided on the
> eastern front where the Red Army fought year-in,
> year-out, with guns, bodies and brains as their primary
> assets.
>
> But I'm not a war historian so this will be my last
> post on this subject. But I'll continue to read, of
> course.

Without Ultra, the western allies would not have won the Battle of the
Atlantic, and in turn the USSR would not have recived the supplies of
war materiel which they claimed were vital. (Of course, they could
have been lying, or at least exagerating, about their need.)

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#3534

On 2014-06-06, Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>
>> "The Normandy landings, codenamed Operation Neptune,
>> were the landing operations on 6 June 1944 (termed
>> D-Day) of the Allied invasion of Normandy in
>> Operation Overlord during World War II. The largest
>> seaborne invasion in history, the operation began the
>> Allied invasion of German-occupied western Europe,
>> led to the restoration of the French Republic, and
>> contributed to an Allied victory in the war."
>
> Do you know if they (or the Germans) used any
> technology that borders to today's IT and computers?
> Though it would in any case be a minor-minor-minor
> impact on the battlefield events, it could be
> interesting to know nonetheless.
>

Largest single loss on D-Day was caused by a German remote-controlled
tiny tank, which failed to detonate when got into position by the
Germans, but was set off by Allied soldiers using it for target
practice, 100+ either seriously wounded or killed.

BTW, the war was effectively over by July 1943, eleven months before
D-Day, when the German attack on Kursk was abandoned.


-- 
maus
 .
  .
...

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#3546

On 2014-06-06 18:59, greymausg@mail.com wrote:
> BTW, the war was effectively over by July 1943, eleven months before
> D-Day, when the German attack on Kursk was abandoned.

"The [Soviet] Red Army won the war with Germany. The Americans and the
British showed up after the Wehrmacht was exhausted and in tatters and
could offer little resistance."

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/06/lies-grow-audacious-paul-craig-roberts/

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#3548

Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> writes:

> "The [Soviet] Red Army won the war with Germany. The
> Americans and the British showed up after the
> Wehrmacht was exhausted and in tatters and could
> offer little resistance."

Well, the Britons did their fair share and certainly
the D-Day and the US effort was be no means
insubstantial, but still: indeed.

Point is, there is no disrespecting anyone's
grandfathers. Which is why, when they commemorated this
anniversary, Putin attended as well as Obama.

And... of course it was the Soviet Red Army - what
else? The Chinese?

-- 
underground experts united:
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

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#3868

On 2014-06-07, Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> wrote:
> On 2014-06-06 18:59, greymausg@mail.com wrote:
>> BTW, the war was effectively over by July 1943, eleven months before
>> D-Day, when the German attack on Kursk was abandoned.
>
> "The [Soviet] Red Army won the war with Germany. The Americans and the
> British showed up after the Wehrmacht was exhausted and in tatters and
> could offer little resistance."
>
> http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/06/lies-grow-audacious-paul-craig-roberts/

I like how all the Soviet-fellating idiots conveniently ignore Japan and the 
North African campaign.  It makes it really easy to spot who's just got an
anti-American axe to grind.

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#3544

Someone forgot to place "OT:" in front of the subject line.

  - MG

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#3550

On 2014-06-06, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings
>
>   "The Normandy landings, codenamed Operation Neptune, were the landing
>    operations on 6 June 1944 (termed D-Day) of the Allied invasion of
>    Normandy in Operation Overlord during World War II. The largest
>    seaborne invasion in history, the operation began the Allied
>    invasion of German-occupied western Europe, led to the restoration
>    of the French Republic, and contributed to an Allied victory in the
>    war. "

"with the approach of the D-Day Normandy landings on 6 June 1944, the
resources of the Post Office Engineering Department were stretched to the
limit.

BT head of heritage and archives David Hay said: “Preparations for the
Normandy invasion required the laying of a new network of hundreds of
miles of cable as well as the installation of switchboards, telephones and
teleprinters at numerous points along the south coast of England.

“Once the invasion was underway, new cross-channel cables were laid and,
by VE-Day, Post Office engineers had made direct communication possible by
telephone or teleprinter to all allied forces in north-west Europe.”

"The contribution of the Post Office in the war, particularly on the
telecommunications side, was significant enough to earn the praise of
General Eisenhower, supreme commander of allied forces in Europe.

...

The Post Office Engineering Department and its cable ships also took part
in Operation Pluto, a programme to lay a fuel pipeline under the English
Channel between England and France to serve the demands of the allied
forces."

<http://home.bt.com/news/btlife/historyofbt/remembering-the-telecoms-heroes-of-dday-11363908900721>

-- 
"I have something like 1,000 bullocks and having listened to your
presentation I can say that you’ve got a lot more bullshit than I have."
            -- Sir Ken Morrison, former Chairman of the Morrisons Supermarket
               chain speaking at their 2014 AGM 

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#3567

Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings
> 
>   "The Normandy landings, codenamed Operation Neptune, were the landing
>    operations on 6 June 1944 (termed D-Day) of the Allied invasion of
>    Normandy in Operation Overlord during World War II. The largest
>    seaborne invasion in history, the operation began the Allied
>    invasion of German-occupied western Europe, led to the restoration
>    of the French Republic, and contributed to an Allied victory in the
>    war. "
> 
>    ...

Surely the battle of Okinawa *is* the largest seaborn invasion in
history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa

Ref [1] initial assault force 183,000 troops.

The larger number of ships in Overlord is probably due to the shorter
distance fra Britain. Mostly small boats.


-- 
Not him on Facebook

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#3585

On 2014-06-06, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings
>
>   "The Normandy landings, codenamed Operation Neptune, were the
>   landing operations on 6 June 1944 (termed D-Day) of the Allied
>   invasion of Normandy in Operation Overlord during World War II. The
>   largest seaborne invasion in history, the operation began the Allied
>   invasion of German-occupied western Europe, led to the restoration
>   of the French Republic, and contributed to an Allied victory in the
>   war. "
>
>    ...
>
I happened to be traveling in the South of France last week and got to
see some of the excitement for myself.  It's still a *big* deal, and
anyone who tries to claim otherwise doesn't understand his history.

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#3640

On 9-jun-2014 12:16, RS Wood wrote:
> I happened to be traveling in the South of France last week and got
> to see some of the excitement for myself.  It's still a *big* deal,
> and anyone who tries to claim otherwise doesn't understand his
> history.

Luckily the world is a much safer place and war is a scarcity, as
they said at the 'D-Day' event: "They fought in hopes of a day when
we'd no longer need to fight."

'Murica!

  - MG

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#3644

In article <53998bc3$0$4661$e4fe514c@dreader36.news.xs4all.nl>, MG
<marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> wrote:

> On 9-jun-2014 12:16, RS Wood wrote:
> > I happened to be traveling in the South of France last week and got
> > to see some of the excitement for myself.  It's still a *big* deal,
> > and anyone who tries to claim otherwise doesn't understand his
> > history.
> 
> Luckily the world is a much safer place and war is a scarcity, ...

Which planet are you living on, again?

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#3646

On 12-jun-2014 16:07, Tim Streater wrote:
> Which planet are you living on, again?

That's what I often wonder about, with all these 'wars to end wars'.

  - MG

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#3647

In article <539a1830$0$4847$e4fe514c@dreader35.news.xs4all.nl>, MG
<marcogbNO@SPAMxs4all.nl> wrote:

> On 12-jun-2014 16:07, Tim Streater wrote:
> > Which planet are you living on, again?
> 
> That's what I often wonder about, with all these 'wars to end wars'.

Are you one of these suckers^w people who believed that? Did I tell you
I sell bridges? Step over here and view my extensive portfolio.

-- 
"Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

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