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  WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-22 18:13 +0000
    Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-04-22 19:12 +0000
      Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-04-23 20:31 +0200
    Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-22 20:38 +0000
    Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-22 15:30 -0700
      Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-04-23 08:40 +0000
      Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-23 13:49 +0000
        Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 20:09 +0000
      Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-24 17:36 +0000
        Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-24 16:10 -0700
    Re: WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive "Elizabeth T. Knuth" <eknuth@csbsju.edu> - 2014-04-27 02:41 -0500

#2439 — WWWeakness: need to sell page views to survive

http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/

Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
 sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!
-- 

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#2440

On 2014-04-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>
> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>  sell ads. 

Firefox + Adbock+, Ghostery & Flashblock. Adverts, what adverts?

-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 39th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
 the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
                 automatically and without pity.”

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#2447

On 2014-04-22, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-04-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>>
>> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>>  sell ads. 
>
> Firefox + Adbock+, Ghostery & Flashblock. Adverts, what adverts?

NoScript on its own gets rid of a lot of ads and distinctly improves
the performance of many sites, particularly on older kit.

Since Adobe's recent mess up with certain Mac models* and Flash 13, I
am now running my main system Flash-free.  All the Youtube items I have
been interested in so far have successfully displayed using HTML5 (albeit
with a pause before playing starts).

* my system wasn't on the list of affected models, but the Flash 13
installation was taking an unreasonably long time to complete so I aborted
it.

I do have Flash installed in openSUSE under a VM and that works fine for
the odd relic - only one found that I really wanted to watch since I did
the switch last weekend.

Toodle pip Adobe.  You brought it on yourself.

-- 
Paul Sture

The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise
her to change her maiden name                                  -- @gojomo

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#2441

On 2014-04-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>
> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>  sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!

That solves the issue for your particular use case, but doesn't impact
the weaknesses in the business model.  And if you read the article,
you'll see the story is about Slate now charging a 'premium' membership
for the right to have the article on one single page instead of spread
across multiple page views.  I'm surprised the New York Times hasn't
thought of that one.  Hell, maybe they have.

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#2442

On 2014-04-22 18:13:47 +0000, RS Wood said:

> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
> 
> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>  sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!

It has been some years since I looked at weather.com, and I checked it 
out after looking at the article.  What a joke!  I wonder if they even 
understand why people visit their site.  Weather Underground has also 
remade their front page recently, and it's just terrible as well.  
Thankfully weather.unisys.com is still very web-1.0 and there's nothing 
there that gets in the way of the user.

I hope web sites that are deliberately awful start going out of 
business.  How many gawkers does the world need anyway?

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#2444

On 2014-04-22, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-04-22 18:13:47 +0000, RS Wood said:
>
>> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>> 
>> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>>  sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!
>
> It has been some years since I looked at weather.com, and I checked it 
> out after looking at the article.  What a joke! 

FWIW, it also breaches the EU requirements on both cookies and access for the
disabled - although both of these breaches are commonplace, verging on
universal.


-- 
Today is Pungenday, the 40th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
 the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
                 automatically and without pity.”

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#2445

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  Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-04-22 18:13:47 +0000, RS Wood said:

>> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>> 
>> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>>  sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!

> It has been some years since I looked at weather.com, and I checked it 
> out after looking at the article.  What a joke!  I wonder if they even 
> understand why people visit their site.  Weather Underground has also 
> remade their front page recently, and it's just terrible as well.  
> Thankfully weather.unisys.com is still very web-1.0 and there's nothing 
> there that gets in the way of the user.

I load wunderground and I see the current stats on the weather (which is
what I want), the predicted hi/lo (which is what I want) and a radar
map, which I may or may not want. Then I have a list of weather stations
and can pick the one nearest me (or not, sometimes I pick one near where
I am going) to get all the info any weather dweeb would ever want.

But most the time I check the weather it is on my iPhone or iPad and I
use the Yahoo Weather app for that, or forecast.io.

> I hope web sites that are deliberately awful start going out of 
> business.  How many gawkers does the world need anyway?

Zero.


-- 
“Life is one damned kitten after another." Mehitabel the Alley Cat” 

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#2452

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> I load wunderground and I see the current stats on the weather (which is
> what I want), the predicted hi/lo (which is what I want) and a radar
> map, which I may or may not want. Then I have a list of weather stations
> and can pick the one nearest me (or not, sometimes I pick one near where
> I am going) to get all the info any weather dweeb would ever want.

For local weather station access, APRS is the way to go. For forecasts the
24/7 NWS radio broadcasts are great.  Unisys has all the models you want,
as well as imagery.

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#2449

On 2014-04-22 22:30:48 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:

> On 2014-04-22 18:13:47 +0000, RS Wood said:
> 
>> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>> 
>> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>> sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!
> 
> It has been some years since I looked at weather.com, and I checked it 
> out after looking at the article.  What a joke!  I wonder if they even 
> understand why people visit their site.  Weather Underground has also 
> remade their front page recently, and it's just terrible as well.  
> Thankfully weather.unisys.com is still very web-1.0 and there's nothing 
> there that gets in the way of the user.
> 
> I hope web sites that are deliberately awful start going out of 
> business.  How many gawkers does the world need anyway?

I wish someone would put a stake in the heart of LinuxToday, too.  Used 
to be such a great site: it could now be replaced with an RSS reader 
and a script that fills up 90% of the page with crap advertising – 
usually for Windows products.  It's a shame to see how ugly LT's home 
page is and remember what a great site it was back in 2000–2001.  I 
hope Brian Proffitt got rich; he certainly seems to have made a deal 
with the devil.

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#2458

On 2014-04-24 17:36:17 +0000, RS Wood said:

> On 2014-04-22 22:30:48 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:
> 
>> On 2014-04-22 18:13:47 +0000, RS Wood said:
>> 
>>> http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>>> 
>>> Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
>>> sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!
>> 
>> It has been some years since I looked at weather.com, and I checked it 
>> out after looking at the article.  What a joke!  I wonder if they even 
>> understand why people visit their site.  Weather Underground has also 
>> remade their front page recently, and it's just terrible as well.  
>> Thankfully weather.unisys.com is still very web-1.0 and there's nothing 
>> there that gets in the way of the user.
>> 
>> I hope web sites that are deliberately awful start going out of 
>> business.  How many gawkers does the world need anyway?
> 
> I wish someone would put a stake in the heart of LinuxToday, too.  Used 
> to be such a great site: it could now be replaced with an RSS reader 
> and a script that fills up 90% of the page with crap advertising – 
> usually for Windows products.  It's a shame to see how ugly LT's home 
> page is and remember what a great site it was back in 2000–2001.  I 
> hope Brian Proffitt got rich; he certainly seems to have made a deal 
> with the devil.

All this and more are why I barely even touch the WWW these days.  The 
only thing I'd really miss is Google Books, which despite the horrific 
nature of Google is so good that it almost makes up for the rest.  
Almost.

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#2490

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 18:13:47 +0000 (WET), RS Wood wrote,

>http://bokardo.com/archives/paying-to-get-rid-of-pagination-on-slate/
>
>Interesting article about wrecking the user experience in order to
> sell ads.  Save me Usenet, you're my only hope!

I can't read the article. Site seems to be down.

Just a week ago I added a tech news site to my ad-blocking proxy because 
they have taken to splitting up their articles into tiny three-paragraph 
pages with loads of advertising, *and* they have made it impossible to see 
the article on one page, or to print more than the current view.

So I would say this strategy can backfire.


-- 
Elizabeth T. Knuth
http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~eknuth/
Slashdot Beta delenda est!

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