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Re: ebooks

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  Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000
    Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 12:11 +0000
      Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 14:43 +0000
        Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-23 16:14 +0000
        Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-03-23 18:09 +0000
          Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:21 +0000
          Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 20:34 +0000
            Re: ebooks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2014-06-13 14:14 -0400
              Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-13 21:44 +0100
              Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-13 16:53 -0400
                Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-06-14 08:37 +0100
                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-14 18:34 -0400
                  Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 10:40 +0000
                    Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:05 +0100
                      Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 11:20 +0000
                        Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:37 +0100
                          Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-06-15 17:48 +0000
                            Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-15 15:59 -0400
                              Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-16 06:30 +1000
                                Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 04:04 -0500
                                  Re: ebooks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-16 11:44 +0000
                                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 10:32 -0400
                                    Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 10:43 -0500
                                      Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 13:13 -0400
                                      Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:45 +1000
                                    Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:36 +1000
                        Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 22:43 +0000
                          Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 23:26 +0000
                            Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-16 22:01 +0100
                Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-15 06:27 +1000
        Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:09 +0000
        Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 01:55 +0000
          Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 10:35 +0000
            Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 13:01 -0400
              Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-24 17:15 +0100
            Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-24 15:07 +0000
              Re: ebooks Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-24 17:13 +0000
                Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 13:07 -0500
                  Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-24 13:28 -0500
                    Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-24 21:48 +0100
                      Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:57 +0000
                    Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 08:14 +1100
                      Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:01 +0000
                        Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:17 +1100
                          Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:44 +0000
                            Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 12:01 +1100
                            Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-26 13:36 +0000
                              Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-26 20:08 +0000
                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-24 14:48 -0400
                    Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 18:13 -0400
                      Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:20 -0400
                  Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-25 05:49 +0000
                    Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-25 07:06 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
                        Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-25 09:40 -0400
                          Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 11:14 +1100
                        Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:42 -0400
                          Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 11:47 -0500
                          Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 19:25 -0400
                            Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 12:19 -0400
                              Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 08:25 -0500
                                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:01 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-26 20:38 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:19 +1100
                                  Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:58 -0500
                                    Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:28 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 22:03 +0100
                                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:46 -0400
                                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-26 15:01 -0500
                                  Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 20:57 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-27 13:23 +0000
                                      Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:48 +0100
                                  Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 08:26 -0500
                                    Re: ebooks greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-27 14:55 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 10:05 -0500
                                      Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 11:55 -0500
                                        Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 14:25 -0500
                                          Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-27 20:44 +0000
                                          Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 01:38 +0000
                                            Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 22:37 -0500
                                              Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:52 -0400
                                                Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-28 16:07 +1100
                                          Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 10:52 -0500
                                            Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 11:57 -0500
                                              Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 14:41 -0500
                                              Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-28 21:27 +0000
                                                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 17:02 -0500
                                                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-28 23:46 -0400
                                              Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-02 01:32 +0000
                                                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-02 14:28 +0000
                                                  Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-07 05:32 +0000
                                                    Re: ebooks "John" <j@j.j> - 2014-04-17 16:36 -0700
                                                Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-04-02 07:31 -0800
                              Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 13:38 +0000
                                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 11:14 -0500
                                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:56 -0400
                                    Re: ebooks Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2014-03-27 16:52 +0000
                                      Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:03 -0500
                                      Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:07 -0400
                                      Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 21:44 +0100
                              Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-26 13:51 +0000
                              Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:22 -0800
                                Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:54 -0500
                                Re: ebooks davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2014-03-27 03:41 +0000
                                  Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-27 07:36 -0400
                                    Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-28 03:40 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:59 +0100
                              Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-26 15:38 -0700
                                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-26 22:09 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 13:55 -0500
                                    Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 02:27 +0000
                                      Re: ebooks cb@bobby.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2014-03-28 10:42 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:12 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-28 23:17 -0700
                              Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:06 -0400
                          Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:19 -0800
                            Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:50 -0500
                              Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-26 20:00 +0000
                              Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 13:30 -0800
                                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:51 -0500
                            Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-26 13:09 -0600
                            Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 19:23 -0400
                              Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-27 08:12 +1100
                                Re: ebooks despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-03-26 19:24 -0400
                            Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-26 23:40 +0000
                              Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:36 -0400
                                Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-27 14:33 +0000
                                  Re: Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:01 -0500
                            Re: ebooks rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-03-27 03:10 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
                        Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:16 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:32 +0000
                        Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:20 +0000
                          Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:49 -0400
                            Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:58 +0000
                            Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:46 -0400
                          Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:48 -0800
                            Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 21:20 +0000
                    Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 07:31 +1100
                  Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:42 -0400
                Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-24 12:52 -0600
              Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 20:12 -0400
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-24 15:54 -0500
                Re: ebooks Rob Myers <rob@robmyers.org> - 2014-03-24 22:19 +0000
              Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-25 07:54 +1100
            Re: ebooks scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-03-24 16:21 +0000
            Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 17:02 +0000
              Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 12:21 -0500
              Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-03-24 19:50 +0000
                Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:48 +0000
                  Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 23:42 +0000
                    Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:07 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:40 +0000
                        Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 21:57 +0100
                          Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 13:58 +0000
                            Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-28 15:44 +0100
                      Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 11:35 +1100
            Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 07:28 +1100
              Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:31 +0000
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:06 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:06 +1100
            Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-24 10:25 -0400
        Re: ebooks Mike Sanders <mike@taco-shack.cow> - 2014-03-24 06:04 +0000
        Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-26 13:17 +0100
    Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-23 19:23 -0400

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#1911 — Re: ebooks

FromRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
Date2014-03-23 12:06 +0000
SubjectRe: ebooks
Message-ID<lgmiot$btr$1@solani.org>
On 2014-03-19, greymausg <maus@mail.com> wrote:
> I was reading "Mining the Social Web", obtained (!) from the Internet,
> and found it interesting, so I downloaded  the second edition from
> ora.. I had a few instructional ebooks before, and found them hard to
> deal with, bad   fonts, etc.  The above book seems to be where things
> are going, nicely intigrated. Most of the address are bit.ly/* which
> entailed just clicking on (I find some of these shortened addresses
> had to deal with in printed form, bad eyesight)
>
> As I wrote, seems to be a pointer to the future.
>
> (The book itself?... well, its all about going through the official
> API.  No great fun)
>
> Hello,anyone there?
>
>
>

I'm here, and I'll ignore my plonkiful colleague here.  "Mining the
Social Web" sounds like the worst book ever published - I'd hate to read
it.  But I agree with you about ebooks in general.

I was a reluctant convert - still very much like my bookshelf and my
collection and some things like a few poetry anthologies I like to just
flip through over coffee when I want a change from the glowing screen of
my RSS reader.  But I almost never buy hardcovers anymore and
increasingly find myself going straight to the ebook version.  The
exception is tech manuals, which I like in paper and at my side.  But
fiction, magazines, literature, short stories, all that  kind of stuff -
I like the hassle-free lifestyle of ebooks.

My one caveat is that I buy from Barnes & Noble because they use EPUB
and though they DRM it, it is so trivially cracked using Calibre that
it's practically a non-issue.  That means I get to 'keep' my ebooks in
an open, standard, published format.  I refuse to deal with the more
popular Kindle and its AZW format (MOBI + other stuff) because it's less
open.

That means as Amazon slowly wins over the market and B&N is slowly
sidelined, I am disappointed. 

There are still a couple of bricks-and-mortar bookstores I visit, but
they're struggling and all hanging on only because they've specialized
in something off-beat.  But I'd love if you could come in, browse, drink
coffee, chat with the proprietor - who knows and loves books - and then
take your purchases via some digital mechanism.  We're not there yet,
and maybe never will be, but it certainly seems like a way of avoiding
the currently inevitable monopoly provider model, which is anathema to
the economies of small towns.

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#1912

From"Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2014-03-23 12:11 +0000
Message-ID<op.xc6b4msso4et73@dell3100>
In reply to#1911
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:06:53 -0000, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

> On 2014-03-19, greymausg <maus@mail.com> wrote:
>> I was reading "Mining the Social Web", obtained (!) from the Internet,
>> and found it interesting, so I downloaded  the second edition from
>> ora.. I had a few instructional ebooks before, and found them hard to
>> deal with, bad   fonts, etc.  The above book seems to be where things
>> are going, nicely intigrated. Most of the address are bit.ly/* which
>> entailed just clicking on (I find some of these shortened addresses
>> had to deal with in printed form, bad eyesight)
>>
>> As I wrote, seems to be a pointer to the future.
>>
>> (The book itself?... well, its all about going through the official
>> API.  No great fun)
>>
>> Hello,anyone there?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm here, and I'll ignore my plonkiful colleague here.  "Mining the
> Social Web" sounds like the worst book ever published - I'd hate to read
> it.  But I agree with you about ebooks in general.
>
> I was a reluctant convert - still very much like my bookshelf and my
> collection and some things like a few poetry anthologies I like to just
> flip through over coffee when I want a change from the glowing screen of
> my RSS reader.  But I almost never buy hardcovers anymore and
> increasingly find myself going straight to the ebook version.  The
> exception is tech manuals, which I like in paper and at my side.  But
> fiction, magazines, literature, short stories, all that  kind of stuff -
> I like the hassle-free lifestyle of ebooks.
>
> My one caveat is that I buy from Barnes & Noble because they use EPUB
> and though they DRM it, it is so trivially cracked using Calibre that
> it's practically a non-issue.  That means I get to 'keep' my ebooks in
> an open, standard, published format.  I refuse to deal with the more
> popular Kindle and its AZW format (MOBI + other stuff) because it's less
> open.
>
> That means as Amazon slowly wins over the market and B&N is slowly
> sidelined, I am disappointed.
>
> There are still a couple of bricks-and-mortar bookstores I visit, but
> they're struggling and all hanging on only because they've specialized
> in something off-beat.  But I'd love if you could come in, browse, drink
> coffee, chat with the proprietor - who knows and loves books - and then
> take your purchases via some digital mechanism.  We're not there yet,
> and maybe never will be, but it certainly seems like a way of avoiding
> the currently inevitable monopoly provider model, which is anathema to
> the economies of small towns.

In the UK a bookshop is (was?) a bookshop; there's no coffee provided.  
Unless one or two have latterly adopted that leftpond practice.

-- 
It's a money /life balance.

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#1913

FromWhiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
Date2014-03-23 14:43 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlitso1.23e.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
In reply to#1912
On 2014-03-23, Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:06:53 -0000, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-03-19, greymausg <maus@mail.com> wrote:
>>> I was reading "Mining the Social Web", obtained (!) from the Internet,
>>> and found it interesting, so I downloaded  the second edition from
>>> ora.. I had a few instructional ebooks before, and found them hard to
>>> deal with, bad   fonts, etc.  The above book seems to be where things
>>> are going, nicely intigrated. Most of the address are bit.ly/* which
>>> entailed just clicking on (I find some of these shortened addresses
>>> had to deal with in printed form, bad eyesight)
>>>
>>> As I wrote, seems to be a pointer to the future.
>>>
>>> (The book itself?... well, its all about going through the official
>>> API.  No great fun)
>>>
>>> Hello,anyone there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm here, and I'll ignore my plonkiful colleague here.  "Mining the
>> Social Web" sounds like the worst book ever published - I'd hate to read
>> it.  But I agree with you about ebooks in general.
>>
>> I was a reluctant convert - still very much like my bookshelf and my
>> collection and some things like a few poetry anthologies I like to just
>> flip through over coffee when I want a change from the glowing screen of
>> my RSS reader.  But I almost never buy hardcovers anymore and
>> increasingly find myself going straight to the ebook version.  The
>> exception is tech manuals, which I like in paper and at my side.  But
>> fiction, magazines, literature, short stories, all that  kind of stuff -
>> I like the hassle-free lifestyle of ebooks.
>>
>> My one caveat is that I buy from Barnes & Noble because they use EPUB
>> and though they DRM it, it is so trivially cracked using Calibre that
>> it's practically a non-issue.  That means I get to 'keep' my ebooks in
>> an open, standard, published format.  I refuse to deal with the more
>> popular Kindle and its AZW format (MOBI + other stuff) because it's less
>> open.
>>
>> That means as Amazon slowly wins over the market and B&N is slowly
>> sidelined, I am disappointed.

I have yet to buy an ebook; my use for ebook readers is for access to
out-of-print or out-of-copyright books from, for example, Project
Gutenberg.  They're also handy for use with the instruction manuals
available only as PDF files.

The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a
finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front
and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and
having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly slow -
or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the way your
ebook reader needs.  There are ebook readers that can't even 'do'
bookmarks!

>> There are still a couple of bricks-and-mortar bookstores I visit, but
>> they're struggling and all hanging on only because they've specialized
>> in something off-beat.  But I'd love if you could come in, browse, drink
>> coffee, chat with the proprietor - who knows and loves books - and then
>> take your purchases via some digital mechanism.  We're not there yet,
>> and maybe never will be, but it certainly seems like a way of avoiding
>> the currently inevitable monopoly provider model, which is anathema to
>> the economies of small towns.
>
> In the UK a bookshop is (was?) a bookshop; there's no coffee provided.  
> Unless one or two have latterly adopted that leftpond practice.

There are bookshops that have coffee bars in them in London.  I suspect
the idea arrived with US television programmes or films.  There are also
a few restaurants with shelves of books for the patrons to use.  I
approve of both arrangements.  I also know, and like, a public library
that has a small coffee shop inside it.  Not in London but still in the
UK, I used to know a Church of England parish church whose adjoining
church hall had a licensed bar (but no books other than what you'd
expect in a church).

If I'm going to pay for a book, I want a hard copy; a proper paperback
at least.  I am repelled by the idea of paying money for a licence to
possess one digital copy which is not transferable to anyone else, and
possibly not even to another device owned by me, and which can be
withdrawn at any time the provider sees fit.  Books are for sharing and
passing on and going back to; that's perfectly possible with ebooks, but
not while the publishers try to impose 'digital rights management' and
'licenses' and other nonsense making such activities 'shady' or
'illegal'.

-- 
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
--  Whiskers 
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

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#1917

FromHils <hils@saynotospam.net>
Date2014-03-23 16:14 +0000
Message-ID<lgn18t$aee$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#1913
On 2014-03-23 14:43, Whiskers wrote:
> On 2014-03-23, Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>> In the UK a bookshop is (was?) a bookshop; there's no coffee provided.  
>> Unless one or two have latterly adopted that leftpond practice.
> 
> There are bookshops that have coffee bars in them in London.  I suspect
> the idea arrived with US television programmes or films.  There are also
> a few restaurants with shelves of books for the patrons to use.  I
> approve of both arrangements.  I also know, and like, a public library
> that has a small coffee shop inside it.  Not in London but still in the
> UK, I used to know a Church of England parish church whose adjoining
> church hall had a licensed bar (but no books other than what you'd
> expect in a church).

Bristol Central Library has a cafe. Cardiff Central Library has a hybrid
grand piano (for use with headphones except during designated concerts).
Oxford Central Library has an electronic piano (for practice only).

> If I'm going to pay for a book, I want a hard copy; a proper paperback
> at least.  I am repelled by the idea of paying money for a licence to
> possess one digital copy which is not transferable to anyone else, and
> possibly not even to another device owned by me, and which can be
> withdrawn at any time the provider sees fit.  Books are for sharing and
> passing on and going back to; that's perfectly possible with ebooks, but
> not while the publishers try to impose 'digital rights management' and
> 'licenses' and other nonsense making such activities 'shady' or
> 'illegal'.

I agree. Current licensing models have more to do with restrictions than
rights (as RMS has often highlighted).

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#1918

Fromroot <NoEMail@home.org>
Date2014-03-23 18:09 +0000
Message-ID<lgn80m$6cr$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#1913
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
> 
> The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a
> finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front
> and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and
> having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly slow -
> or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the way your
> ebook reader needs.  There are ebook readers that can't even 'do'
> bookmarks!
> 

You can do your fingernail trick with either a Kobo or Nook reader. The ereader
apps for tablets are loaded with many more features than any of the dedicated
ereaders I have. EBookDroid is the best reader app that I have found. None of
the epaper readers offer the resolution necessary to read documents such as the
Economist or WSJ, but the Samsung Galaxy 12.2 tablet does without navigating
about the page. . The problem with tablets is you can't read them in daylight;
for that you must have an epaper reader.

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#1920

From"Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2014-03-23 19:21 +0000
Message-ID<op.xc6v17nao4et73@dell3100>
In reply to#1918
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:09:26 -0000, root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:

> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a
>> finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front
>> and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and
>> having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly slow -
>> or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the way your
>> ebook reader needs.  There are ebook readers that can't even 'do'
>> bookmarks!
>>
>
> You can do your fingernail trick with either a Kobo or Nook reader. The  
> ereader
> apps for tablets are loaded with many more features than any of the  
> dedicated
> ereaders I have. EBookDroid is the best reader app that I have found.  
> None of
> the epaper readers offer the resolution necessary to read documents such  
> as the
> Economist or WSJ, but the Samsung Galaxy 12.2 tablet does without  
> navigating
> about the page. . The problem with tablets is you can't read them in  
> daylight;
> for that you must have an epaper reader.

Nook (rooted) with FBreader (with settings altered for monochrome, no  
fancy effects etc)
gives me all I want in a reader.

-- 
It's a money /life balance.

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#1926

FromWhiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
Date2014-03-23 20:34 +0000
Message-ID<slrnliuhab.ajo.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
In reply to#1918
On 2014-03-23, root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
> Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a
>> finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front
>> and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and
>> having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly
>> slow - or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the
>> way your ebook reader needs.  There are ebook readers that can't even
>> 'do' bookmarks!
>> 
>
> You can do your fingernail trick with either a Kobo or Nook reader.

Not with my Kobo, nor my BeBook, neither of which have a 'touch screen'
interface.  I can imagine a touch screen being able to make some sort of
analogue of the thickness of a book.  The Fbreader app on my Android
tablet has something of the sort, but it's not a very good analogue.

> The ereader apps for tablets are loaded with many more features than
> any of the dedicated ereaders I have. EBookDroid is the best reader
> app that I have found. None of the epaper readers offer the resolution
> necessary to read documents such as the Economist or WSJ, but the
> Samsung Galaxy 12.2 tablet does without navigating about the page. .
> The problem with tablets is you can't read them in daylight; for that
> you must have an epaper reader.

Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same
gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both
soon.

-- 
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
--  Whiskers 
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

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#3658

FromAlan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>
Date2014-06-13 14:14 -0400
Message-ID<lnff1u$mpp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1926
On 2014-03-23 4:34 PM, Whiskers wrote:
> Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same
> gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both
> soon.

May not need both.  A few years back someone demonstrated
a colour e-ink display fast enough for video.

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#3660

From"Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2014-06-13 21:44 +0100
Message-ID<op.xheuknwco4et73@dell3100>
In reply to#3658
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:14:36 +0100, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca>  
wrote:

> On 2014-03-23 4:34 PM, Whiskers wrote:
>> Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same
>> gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both
>> soon.
>
> May not need both.  A few years back someone demonstrated
> a colour e-ink display fast enough for video.
>

Want! Or maybe not; all those screen re-writes will still cost battery.


-- 
It's a money /life balance.

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#3661

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2014-06-13 16:53 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1406131644360.3888@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#3658
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014, Alan Bowler wrote:

> On 2014-03-23 4:34 PM, Whiskers wrote:
>> Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same
>> gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both
>> soon.
>
> May not need both.  A few years back someone demonstrated
> a colour e-ink display fast enough for video.
>
>
I got my ebook reader last year, about this time, for about fifty dollars 
with tax.  That was on sale, but it wsa a Kobo Mini.

There are advantages to a dedicated reader.  I'd already bought a 
Blackberry Plabyook, but it's a bit heavy.  I'd doze off and drop the 
Playbook, while if I doze off holding the Kobo Mini, it's usually still in 
my hand when i wake up.  The e-ink readers don't draw as much current. 
And since they don't do rapid pages so well, one is less likely to get 
distracted by the Web.  The Kobo Mini does have a browser, but it's too 
slow and limited.

I bought the tablet since if I was spending money I figured spend a bit 
more and get full function.  And I'm happy with the tablet as a tablet. 
But  I realized soon that I would be buying a dedicated ebook reader at 
some point, the experience of the tablet made me realize a dedicated one 
was the way to go.

Apart from weight and size, the ebook reader really is a low drain on 
power, it lasts weeks between charging (at least when I've got the wifi 
turned off), while the Playbook needs charging every few hours (or left 
plugged into the charger).

I have a Microsoft Surface 2, won last month from a contest.  That's the 
best of the lot, but it's too big still to relax with a book.  And sadly, 
the Kobo app doesn't do magazines, and I admit magazines with their glossy 
color photos really need a fancier tablet to read them.

So now I have three options.  The Playbook is large enough that I can live 
with it, but still small enough to pack into something like a large 
pocket.  I cant' do that with the Surface 2.  But the Kobo Mini is lighter 
and smaller, so I can take it to read books, and the browser is there in 
case I come across free wifi and a need to use it.

It's hard to judge.  I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but the 
trend seems to be towards unified devices.  Mp3 players are disappearing, 
low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS units I've seen 
have been at garage and rummage sales.  The assumption being that you get 
all the functions with a tablet.

   Michael

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#3664

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2014-06-14 08:37 +0100
Message-ID<20140614083750.c2d2943eed9fd25f0f9eea10@eircom.net>
In reply to#3661
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:

> It's hard to judge.  I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but the 
> trend seems to be towards unified devices.  Mp3 players are disappearing, 
> low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS units I've seen 
> have been at garage and rummage sales.  The assumption being that you get 
> all the functions with a tablet.

	Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead for a
tablet.

-- 
Steve O'Hara-Smith                          |   Directable Mirror Arrays
C:>WIN                                      | A better way to focus the sun
The computer obeys and wins.                |    licences available see
You lose and Bill collects.                 |    http://www.sohara.org/

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#3670

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2014-06-14 18:34 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1406141832310.5774@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#3664
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400
> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
>> It's hard to judge.  I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but the
>> trend seems to be towards unified devices.  Mp3 players are disappearing,
>> low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS units I've seen
>> have been at garage and rummage sales.  The assumption being that you get
>> all the functions with a tablet.
>
> 	Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead for a
> tablet.
>
Some of us aren't so technically advanced, and have no cellphones.

So we have to make do with digital cameras, standalone GPS receivers, MP3 
players and tablets.

I believe I've had all of those along on some outings.

If the small tablet had a card slot, then it could be the MP3 player too, 
but it lacks storage for that.  And I'd rather have a proper digital 
camera, though I could make do with the camera in the tablet.

   Michael

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#3673

FromRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
Date2014-06-15 10:40 +0000
Message-ID<lnjt65$f63$5@solani.org>
In reply to#3664
On 2014-06-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400
> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>
>> It's hard to judge.  I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but
>> the trend seems to be towards unified devices.  Mp3 players are
>> disappearing, low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS
>> units I've seen have been at garage and rummage sales.  The
>> assumption being that you get all the functions with a tablet.
>
> 	Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead
> 	for a tablet.


Different strokes for different folks; there is no optimum solution for
everybody.  When I travel and can choose only one gadget, I choose the
tablet with ereader apps and the rest.  At home I far prefer the e-ink
screen for reading.  In fact, I love it.  Maybe that puts me in the
minority, but whatever.  When I walk the dogs I want my ipod nano in my
pocket for music: it's lightweight and holds a ton of music.  I leave
the smartphone (which is bigger and heavier) at home.  

Some people still like dedicated devices.  I'm one of them.  Sometimes
that means more devices, but I've got lots of pockets and none of those
gadgets is too big.

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#3678

From"Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2014-06-15 12:05 +0100
Message-ID<op.xhhs3r2ho4et73@dell3100>
In reply to#3673
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:40:05 +0100, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

> On 2014-06-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400
>> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> It's hard to judge.  I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but
>>> the trend seems to be towards unified devices.  Mp3 players are
>>> disappearing, low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS
>>> units I've seen have been at garage and rummage sales.  The
>>> assumption being that you get all the functions with a tablet.
>>
>> 	Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead
>> 	for a tablet.
>
>
> Different strokes for different folks; there is no optimum solution for
> everybody.  When I travel and can choose only one gadget, I choose the
> tablet with ereader apps and the rest.  At home I far prefer the e-ink
> screen for reading.  In fact, I love it.  Maybe that puts me in the
> minority, but whatever.  When I walk the dogs I want my ipod nano in my
> pocket for music: it's lightweight and holds a ton of music.  I leave
> the smartphone (which is bigger and heavier) at home.
>
> Some people still like dedicated devices.  I'm one of them.  Sometimes
> that means more devices, but I've got lots of pockets and none of those
> gadgets is too big.
I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about  
usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand.

for text entry (e.g. usenet!) a keyboard is a must for me, so a netbook.
for taking pictures I want a small pointable device, not a large slab; and  
again for phoning, so that could be combined, but I'm happy with my old  
phone (which I could play mp3s on if I wanted).
A tablet just doesn't fit in to my requirements.

-- 
It's a money /life balance.

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#3679

FromBob Eager <news0002@eager.cx>
Date2014-06-15 11:20 +0000
Message-ID<c05driF5h0rU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3678
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:05:41 +0100, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:

> I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about
> usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand.

What do you use? I currently have an old Kindle which is nearly 4 years 
old and on its last legs.

I am aware that some e-ink readers are limited in the formats they can 
handle; that's not a problem as I can convert. I'm more concerned about 
those (I *think* the Nook is one) where only part of the storage can be 
used for non-supplier books.

I want a plain e-ink reader as I find them more restful; also, they have 
long battery life and are lighter than a tablet. Should I need other 
stuff, I'll just switch to the tablet anyway.

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#3680

From"Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1>
Date2014-06-15 12:37 +0100
Message-ID<op.xhhukir3o4et73@dell3100>
In reply to#3679
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:20:18 +0100, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:05:41 +0100, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:
>
>> I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about
>> usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand.
>
> What do you use? I currently have an old Kindle which is nearly 4 years
> old and on its last legs.
>
> I am aware that some e-ink readers are limited in the formats they can
> handle; that's not a problem as I can convert. I'm more concerned about
> those (I *think* the Nook is one) where only part of the storage can be
> used for non-supplier books.
>
It's a Nook Simple Touch, so erm proven technology (or "old"), jail-broken  
(is that the right word?), and I have stacks of space, and, if I fill up,  
an external 2Gb card (higher are available). You miss out a bit on the  
colour for illustrations and book covers, but I'm more of a content over  
appearance type anyway.

FBReader is my reader of choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBReader
I try to obtain books in epub format, but as you say conversion is an  
option.

Battery life is something I value, though I don't suppose I *need* a  
reader to go a week without recharge, I think it's nice to have that  
option.

> I want a plain e-ink reader as I find them more restful; also, they have
> long battery life and are lighter than a tablet. Should I need other
> stuff, I'll just switch to the tablet anyway.

Yup. Mine doesn't have the backlight, ("glow") but a clip-on LED is  
acceptable.


-- 
It's a money /life balance.

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#3687

Fromroot <NoEMail@home.org>
Date2014-06-15 17:48 +0000
Message-ID<lnkm96$e0m$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#3680
Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:20:18 +0100, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:05:41 +0100, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:
>>
>>> I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about
>>> usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand.
>>
>> What do you use? I currently have an old Kindle which is nearly 4 years
>> old and on its last legs.
>>
>> I am aware that some e-ink readers are limited in the formats they can
>> handle; that's not a problem as I can convert. I'm more concerned about
>> those (I *think* the Nook is one) where only part of the storage can be
>> used for non-supplier books.
>>
> It's a Nook Simple Touch, so erm proven technology (or "old"), jail-broken  
> (is that the right word?), and I have stacks of space, and, if I fill up,  
> an external 2Gb card (higher are available). You miss out a bit on the  
> colour for illustrations and book covers, but I'm more of a content over  
> appearance type anyway.
> 
> FBReader is my reader of choice.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBReader
> I try to obtain books in epub format, but as you say conversion is an  
> option.
> 
> Battery life is something I value, though I don't suppose I *need* a  
> reader to go a week without recharge, I think it's nice to have that  
> option.
> 
>> I want a plain e-ink reader as I find them more restful; also, they have
>> long battery life and are lighter than a tablet. Should I need other
>> stuff, I'll just switch to the tablet anyway.
> 
> Yup. Mine doesn't have the backlight, ("glow") but a clip-on LED is  
> acceptable.
> 
> 

I have bought over a dozen e-readers since the Literati first came out.
For e-ink I use the Nook Glowlight when I want to read an epub in
daylight. None of the lcd displays are suitable for reading, say,
in a car. However, the e-ink readers are simply not suitable for
reading PDF files, of which I have many many. For PDF files, such
as mathematical papers and textbooks I have to use a larger display
so, for outside I use a PocketBook-Pro or a Kindle-DX.

A little while ago I got a Nexus 7 and was so blown away by
the display I got the latest Samsung 12.2 and 10.1 tablets for
reading PDF files. The 12.2 is so good that I can read PDF versions
of international newspapers and magazines. The displays of the
Nexus 7, new Samsung tablets as well as the newest Kindle are
something to behold. I would never buy another Kindle because
they have limited storage and cannot read epub formats as
of my last Kindle (the DX).

I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as
the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid
can handle djvu formatted content.

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#3688

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2014-06-15 15:59 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1406151551290.7355@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#3687
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, root wrote:


> I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as
> the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid
> can handle djvu formatted content.
>
And that seems to be where things are going, it seems like the recent 
ebook readers are tablets.

There was an article some years back about how standalone devices were 
loosing way, I hadn't noticed, but did afterwards.  Most of the MP3 
players are gone, unless you buy a really cheap one (I did, it didn't do 
folders).  Cheap cameras are harder to find.  And I can see the value of 
integration but I can also see the value of separate devices and I'm sorry 
that the separate devices are disappearing.  I should have bought a second 
Sansa Fuze before they mostly disappeared.

I remember when ebooks first started happening, in the mid-nineties?  One 
small local bookstore had a glass case for them, the books sold in a 
package, and the store selling PDAs to read them on.

Then circa 2009 I wanted something portable, and the PDAs were mostly 
gone.  I thought of buying an iPod, but didn't like being locked in with 
Apple.  Many of the options had disappeared right at that point, netbooks 
coming in (with advantages and disadvantages).

Then a couple of years later, tablets coming in, not that different from 
PDAs except larger, and more capable. ANd things getting integrated into 
tablets, except for many tablets, they lack a memory card slot, and you 
can't do much via the USB port.

  Michael

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#3689

From"Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com>
Date2014-06-16 06:30 +1000
Message-ID<c06e52FccvqU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#3688

"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1406151551290.7355@darkstar.example.org...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, root wrote:
>
>
>> I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as
>> the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid
>> can handle djvu formatted content.
>>
> And that seems to be where things are going, it seems like the recent 
> ebook readers are tablets.
>
> There was an article some years back about how standalone devices were 
> loosing way, I hadn't noticed, but did afterwards.  Most of the MP3 
> players are gone, unless you buy a really cheap one (I did, it didn't do 
> folders).

There are still plenty of ipods around.

> Cheap cameras are harder to find.

That's not correct either, there are still plenty of those around.

And I can see the value of
> integration but I can also see the value of separate devices

Not at the low priced end.

and I'm sorry
> that the separate devices are disappearing.  I should have bought a second 
> Sansa Fuze before they mostly disappeared.

> I remember when ebooks first started happening, in the mid-nineties?  One 
> small local bookstore had a glass case for them, the books sold in a 
> package, and the store selling PDAs to read them on.
>
> Then circa 2009 I wanted something portable, and the PDAs were mostly 
> gone.  I thought of buying an iPod, but didn't like being locked in with 
> Apple.

You arent with an ipod.

Many of the options had disappeared right at that point, netbooks
> coming in (with advantages and disadvantages).
>
> Then a couple of years later, tablets coming in, not that different from 
> PDAs except larger, and more capable. ANd things getting integrated into 
> tablets, except for many tablets, they lack a memory card slot, and you 
> can't do much via the USB port.

You can do anything you want via the wifi and bluetooth. 

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#3700

FromAndy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com>
Date2014-06-16 04:04 -0500
Message-ID<slrnlptco7.bt5.andyl@azaal.plus.com>
In reply to#3689
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:30:57 +1000, Oeter Johns <oj19854@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
> news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1406151551290.7355@darkstar.example.org...
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, root wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as
>>> the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid
>>> can handle djvu formatted content.
>>>
>> And that seems to be where things are going, it seems like the recent 
>> ebook readers are tablets.
>>
>> There was an article some years back about how standalone devices were 
>> loosing way, I hadn't noticed, but did afterwards.  Most of the MP3 
>> players are gone, unless you buy a really cheap one (I did, it didn't do 
>> folders).
>
> There are still plenty of ipods around.

Not just ipods.  I recently bought a SanDisk Sansa Clip+. 8GB of storage
on the player plus it uses microSDXC cards so I have another 64GB of
storage there.  It was pretty cheap, and is very small. The inbuilt
software has database limitations but it is very easy to replace it
with RockBox (which I did even before loading any music onto it).

-- 
Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
"The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" 
   - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

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