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| First post | 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000 |
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Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 12:11 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 14:43 +0000
Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-23 16:14 +0000
Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-03-23 18:09 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:21 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 20:34 +0000
Re: ebooks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2014-06-13 14:14 -0400
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-13 21:44 +0100
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-13 16:53 -0400
Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-06-14 08:37 +0100
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-14 18:34 -0400
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 10:40 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:05 +0100
Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 11:20 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:37 +0100
Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-06-15 17:48 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-15 15:59 -0400
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-16 06:30 +1000
Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 04:04 -0500
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-16 11:44 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 10:32 -0400
Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 10:43 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 13:13 -0400
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:45 +1000
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:36 +1000
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 22:43 +0000
Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 23:26 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-16 22:01 +0100
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-15 06:27 +1000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:09 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 01:55 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 10:35 +0000
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 13:01 -0400
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-24 17:15 +0100
Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-24 15:07 +0000
Re: ebooks Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-24 17:13 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 13:07 -0500
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-24 13:28 -0500
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-24 21:48 +0100
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:57 +0000
Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 08:14 +1100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:01 +0000
Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:17 +1100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:44 +0000
Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 12:01 +1100
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-26 13:36 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-26 20:08 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-24 14:48 -0400
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 18:13 -0400
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:20 -0400
Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-25 05:49 +0000
Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-25 07:06 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-25 09:40 -0400
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 11:14 +1100
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:42 -0400
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 11:47 -0500
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 19:25 -0400
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 12:19 -0400
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 08:25 -0500
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:01 -0400
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-26 20:38 +0000
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:19 +1100
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:58 -0500
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:28 -0400
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 22:03 +0100
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:46 -0400
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-26 15:01 -0500
Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 20:57 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-27 13:23 +0000
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:48 +0100
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 08:26 -0500
Re: ebooks greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-27 14:55 +0000
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 10:05 -0500
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 11:55 -0500
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 14:25 -0500
Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-27 20:44 +0000
Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 01:38 +0000
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 22:37 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:52 -0400
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-28 16:07 +1100
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 10:52 -0500
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 11:57 -0500
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 14:41 -0500
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-28 21:27 +0000
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 17:02 -0500
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-28 23:46 -0400
Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-02 01:32 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-02 14:28 +0000
Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-07 05:32 +0000
Re: ebooks "John" <j@j.j> - 2014-04-17 16:36 -0700
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-04-02 07:31 -0800
Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 13:38 +0000
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 11:14 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:56 -0400
Re: ebooks Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2014-03-27 16:52 +0000
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:03 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:07 -0400
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 21:44 +0100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-26 13:51 +0000
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:22 -0800
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:54 -0500
Re: ebooks davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2014-03-27 03:41 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-27 07:36 -0400
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-28 03:40 -0400
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:59 +0100
Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-26 15:38 -0700
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-26 22:09 -0400
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 13:55 -0500
Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 02:27 +0000
Re: ebooks cb@bobby.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2014-03-28 10:42 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:12 -0400
Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-28 23:17 -0700
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:06 -0400
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:19 -0800
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:50 -0500
Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-26 20:00 +0000
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 13:30 -0800
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:51 -0500
Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-26 13:09 -0600
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 19:23 -0400
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-27 08:12 +1100
Re: ebooks despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-03-26 19:24 -0400
Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-26 23:40 +0000
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:36 -0400
Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-27 14:33 +0000
Re: Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:01 -0500
Re: ebooks rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-03-27 03:10 +0000
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:16 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:32 +0000
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:20 +0000
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:49 -0400
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:58 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:46 -0400
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:48 -0800
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 21:20 +0000
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 07:31 +1100
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:42 -0400
Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-24 12:52 -0600
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 20:12 -0400
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-24 15:54 -0500
Re: ebooks Rob Myers <rob@robmyers.org> - 2014-03-24 22:19 +0000
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-25 07:54 +1100
Re: ebooks scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-03-24 16:21 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 17:02 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 12:21 -0500
Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-03-24 19:50 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:48 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 23:42 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:07 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:40 +0000
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 21:57 +0100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 13:58 +0000
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-28 15:44 +0100
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 11:35 +1100
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 07:28 +1100
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:31 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:06 +0000
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:06 +1100
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-24 10:25 -0400
Re: ebooks Mike Sanders <mike@taco-shack.cow> - 2014-03-24 06:04 +0000
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-26 13:17 +0100
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-23 19:23 -0400
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: ebooks |
| Message-ID | <lgmiot$btr$1@solani.org> |
On 2014-03-19, greymausg <maus@mail.com> wrote: > I was reading "Mining the Social Web", obtained (!) from the Internet, > and found it interesting, so I downloaded the second edition from > ora.. I had a few instructional ebooks before, and found them hard to > deal with, bad fonts, etc. The above book seems to be where things > are going, nicely intigrated. Most of the address are bit.ly/* which > entailed just clicking on (I find some of these shortened addresses > had to deal with in printed form, bad eyesight) > > As I wrote, seems to be a pointer to the future. > > (The book itself?... well, its all about going through the official > API. No great fun) > > Hello,anyone there? > > > I'm here, and I'll ignore my plonkiful colleague here. "Mining the Social Web" sounds like the worst book ever published - I'd hate to read it. But I agree with you about ebooks in general. I was a reluctant convert - still very much like my bookshelf and my collection and some things like a few poetry anthologies I like to just flip through over coffee when I want a change from the glowing screen of my RSS reader. But I almost never buy hardcovers anymore and increasingly find myself going straight to the ebook version. The exception is tech manuals, which I like in paper and at my side. But fiction, magazines, literature, short stories, all that kind of stuff - I like the hassle-free lifestyle of ebooks. My one caveat is that I buy from Barnes & Noble because they use EPUB and though they DRM it, it is so trivially cracked using Calibre that it's practically a non-issue. That means I get to 'keep' my ebooks in an open, standard, published format. I refuse to deal with the more popular Kindle and its AZW format (MOBI + other stuff) because it's less open. That means as Amazon slowly wins over the market and B&N is slowly sidelined, I am disappointed. There are still a couple of bricks-and-mortar bookstores I visit, but they're struggling and all hanging on only because they've specialized in something off-beat. But I'd love if you could come in, browse, drink coffee, chat with the proprietor - who knows and loves books - and then take your purchases via some digital mechanism. We're not there yet, and maybe never will be, but it certainly seems like a way of avoiding the currently inevitable monopoly provider model, which is anathema to the economies of small towns.
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| From | "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2014-03-23 12:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <op.xc6b4msso4et73@dell3100> |
| In reply to | #1911 |
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:06:53 -0000, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On 2014-03-19, greymausg <maus@mail.com> wrote: >> I was reading "Mining the Social Web", obtained (!) from the Internet, >> and found it interesting, so I downloaded the second edition from >> ora.. I had a few instructional ebooks before, and found them hard to >> deal with, bad fonts, etc. The above book seems to be where things >> are going, nicely intigrated. Most of the address are bit.ly/* which >> entailed just clicking on (I find some of these shortened addresses >> had to deal with in printed form, bad eyesight) >> >> As I wrote, seems to be a pointer to the future. >> >> (The book itself?... well, its all about going through the official >> API. No great fun) >> >> Hello,anyone there? >> >> >> > > I'm here, and I'll ignore my plonkiful colleague here. "Mining the > Social Web" sounds like the worst book ever published - I'd hate to read > it. But I agree with you about ebooks in general. > > I was a reluctant convert - still very much like my bookshelf and my > collection and some things like a few poetry anthologies I like to just > flip through over coffee when I want a change from the glowing screen of > my RSS reader. But I almost never buy hardcovers anymore and > increasingly find myself going straight to the ebook version. The > exception is tech manuals, which I like in paper and at my side. But > fiction, magazines, literature, short stories, all that kind of stuff - > I like the hassle-free lifestyle of ebooks. > > My one caveat is that I buy from Barnes & Noble because they use EPUB > and though they DRM it, it is so trivially cracked using Calibre that > it's practically a non-issue. That means I get to 'keep' my ebooks in > an open, standard, published format. I refuse to deal with the more > popular Kindle and its AZW format (MOBI + other stuff) because it's less > open. > > That means as Amazon slowly wins over the market and B&N is slowly > sidelined, I am disappointed. > > There are still a couple of bricks-and-mortar bookstores I visit, but > they're struggling and all hanging on only because they've specialized > in something off-beat. But I'd love if you could come in, browse, drink > coffee, chat with the proprietor - who knows and loves books - and then > take your purchases via some digital mechanism. We're not there yet, > and maybe never will be, but it certainly seems like a way of avoiding > the currently inevitable monopoly provider model, which is anathema to > the economies of small towns. In the UK a bookshop is (was?) a bookshop; there's no coffee provided. Unless one or two have latterly adopted that leftpond practice. -- It's a money /life balance.
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| From | Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-23 14:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlitso1.23e.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1912 |
On 2014-03-23, Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:06:53 -0000, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > >> On 2014-03-19, greymausg <maus@mail.com> wrote: >>> I was reading "Mining the Social Web", obtained (!) from the Internet, >>> and found it interesting, so I downloaded the second edition from >>> ora.. I had a few instructional ebooks before, and found them hard to >>> deal with, bad fonts, etc. The above book seems to be where things >>> are going, nicely intigrated. Most of the address are bit.ly/* which >>> entailed just clicking on (I find some of these shortened addresses >>> had to deal with in printed form, bad eyesight) >>> >>> As I wrote, seems to be a pointer to the future. >>> >>> (The book itself?... well, its all about going through the official >>> API. No great fun) >>> >>> Hello,anyone there? >>> >>> >>> >> >> I'm here, and I'll ignore my plonkiful colleague here. "Mining the >> Social Web" sounds like the worst book ever published - I'd hate to read >> it. But I agree with you about ebooks in general. >> >> I was a reluctant convert - still very much like my bookshelf and my >> collection and some things like a few poetry anthologies I like to just >> flip through over coffee when I want a change from the glowing screen of >> my RSS reader. But I almost never buy hardcovers anymore and >> increasingly find myself going straight to the ebook version. The >> exception is tech manuals, which I like in paper and at my side. But >> fiction, magazines, literature, short stories, all that kind of stuff - >> I like the hassle-free lifestyle of ebooks. >> >> My one caveat is that I buy from Barnes & Noble because they use EPUB >> and though they DRM it, it is so trivially cracked using Calibre that >> it's practically a non-issue. That means I get to 'keep' my ebooks in >> an open, standard, published format. I refuse to deal with the more >> popular Kindle and its AZW format (MOBI + other stuff) because it's less >> open. >> >> That means as Amazon slowly wins over the market and B&N is slowly >> sidelined, I am disappointed. I have yet to buy an ebook; my use for ebook readers is for access to out-of-print or out-of-copyright books from, for example, Project Gutenberg. They're also handy for use with the instruction manuals available only as PDF files. The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly slow - or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the way your ebook reader needs. There are ebook readers that can't even 'do' bookmarks! >> There are still a couple of bricks-and-mortar bookstores I visit, but >> they're struggling and all hanging on only because they've specialized >> in something off-beat. But I'd love if you could come in, browse, drink >> coffee, chat with the proprietor - who knows and loves books - and then >> take your purchases via some digital mechanism. We're not there yet, >> and maybe never will be, but it certainly seems like a way of avoiding >> the currently inevitable monopoly provider model, which is anathema to >> the economies of small towns. > > In the UK a bookshop is (was?) a bookshop; there's no coffee provided. > Unless one or two have latterly adopted that leftpond practice. There are bookshops that have coffee bars in them in London. I suspect the idea arrived with US television programmes or films. There are also a few restaurants with shelves of books for the patrons to use. I approve of both arrangements. I also know, and like, a public library that has a small coffee shop inside it. Not in London but still in the UK, I used to know a Church of England parish church whose adjoining church hall had a licensed bar (but no books other than what you'd expect in a church). If I'm going to pay for a book, I want a hard copy; a proper paperback at least. I am repelled by the idea of paying money for a licence to possess one digital copy which is not transferable to anyone else, and possibly not even to another device owned by me, and which can be withdrawn at any time the provider sees fit. Books are for sharing and passing on and going back to; that's perfectly possible with ebooks, but not while the publishers try to impose 'digital rights management' and 'licenses' and other nonsense making such activities 'shady' or 'illegal'. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~
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| From | Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> |
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| Date | 2014-03-23 16:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lgn18t$aee$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1913 |
On 2014-03-23 14:43, Whiskers wrote: > On 2014-03-23, Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: >> In the UK a bookshop is (was?) a bookshop; there's no coffee provided. >> Unless one or two have latterly adopted that leftpond practice. > > There are bookshops that have coffee bars in them in London. I suspect > the idea arrived with US television programmes or films. There are also > a few restaurants with shelves of books for the patrons to use. I > approve of both arrangements. I also know, and like, a public library > that has a small coffee shop inside it. Not in London but still in the > UK, I used to know a Church of England parish church whose adjoining > church hall had a licensed bar (but no books other than what you'd > expect in a church). Bristol Central Library has a cafe. Cardiff Central Library has a hybrid grand piano (for use with headphones except during designated concerts). Oxford Central Library has an electronic piano (for practice only). > If I'm going to pay for a book, I want a hard copy; a proper paperback > at least. I am repelled by the idea of paying money for a licence to > possess one digital copy which is not transferable to anyone else, and > possibly not even to another device owned by me, and which can be > withdrawn at any time the provider sees fit. Books are for sharing and > passing on and going back to; that's perfectly possible with ebooks, but > not while the publishers try to impose 'digital rights management' and > 'licenses' and other nonsense making such activities 'shady' or > 'illegal'. I agree. Current licensing models have more to do with restrictions than rights (as RMS has often highlighted).
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| From | root <NoEMail@home.org> |
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| Date | 2014-03-23 18:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lgn80m$6cr$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #1913 |
Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: > > The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a > finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front > and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and > having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly slow - > or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the way your > ebook reader needs. There are ebook readers that can't even 'do' > bookmarks! > You can do your fingernail trick with either a Kobo or Nook reader. The ereader apps for tablets are loaded with many more features than any of the dedicated ereaders I have. EBookDroid is the best reader app that I have found. None of the epaper readers offer the resolution necessary to read documents such as the Economist or WSJ, but the Samsung Galaxy 12.2 tablet does without navigating about the page. . The problem with tablets is you can't read them in daylight; for that you must have an epaper reader.
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| From | "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2014-03-23 19:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <op.xc6v17nao4et73@dell3100> |
| In reply to | #1918 |
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:09:26 -0000, root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote: > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: >> >> The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a >> finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front >> and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and >> having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly slow - >> or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the way your >> ebook reader needs. There are ebook readers that can't even 'do' >> bookmarks! >> > > You can do your fingernail trick with either a Kobo or Nook reader. The > ereader > apps for tablets are loaded with many more features than any of the > dedicated > ereaders I have. EBookDroid is the best reader app that I have found. > None of > the epaper readers offer the resolution necessary to read documents such > as the > Economist or WSJ, but the Samsung Galaxy 12.2 tablet does without > navigating > about the page. . The problem with tablets is you can't read them in > daylight; > for that you must have an epaper reader. Nook (rooted) with FBreader (with settings altered for monochrome, no fancy effects etc) gives me all I want in a reader. -- It's a money /life balance.
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| From | Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-23 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnliuhab.ajo.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1918 |
On 2014-03-23, root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote: > Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote: >> >> The biggest problem with ebooks is navigation; you can't slide a >> finger-nail between pages at roughly the right distance between front >> and back and then flick pages to find what you want, for example, and >> having to go to a menu 'tree' to move about in a book is horribly >> slow - or impossible, if the book hasn't been formatted to match the >> way your ebook reader needs. There are ebook readers that can't even >> 'do' bookmarks! >> > > You can do your fingernail trick with either a Kobo or Nook reader. Not with my Kobo, nor my BeBook, neither of which have a 'touch screen' interface. I can imagine a touch screen being able to make some sort of analogue of the thickness of a book. The Fbreader app on my Android tablet has something of the sort, but it's not a very good analogue. > The ereader apps for tablets are loaded with many more features than > any of the dedicated ereaders I have. EBookDroid is the best reader > app that I have found. None of the epaper readers offer the resolution > necessary to read documents such as the Economist or WSJ, but the > Samsung Galaxy 12.2 tablet does without navigating about the page. . > The problem with tablets is you can't read them in daylight; for that > you must have an epaper reader. Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both soon. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~
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| From | Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-13 14:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <lnff1u$mpp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1926 |
On 2014-03-23 4:34 PM, Whiskers wrote: > Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same > gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both > soon. May not need both. A few years back someone demonstrated a colour e-ink display fast enough for video.
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| From | "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2014-06-13 21:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.xheuknwco4et73@dell3100> |
| In reply to | #3658 |
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:14:36 +0100, Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> wrote: > On 2014-03-23 4:34 PM, Whiskers wrote: >> Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same >> gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both >> soon. > > May not need both. A few years back someone demonstrated > a colour e-ink display fast enough for video. > Want! Or maybe not; all those screen re-writes will still cost battery. -- It's a money /life balance.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-13 16:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1406131644360.3888@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #3658 |
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014, Alan Bowler wrote: > On 2014-03-23 4:34 PM, Whiskers wrote: >> Perhaps makers will start fitting both types of display to the same >> gadget; I believe at least one smartphone model is going to have both >> soon. > > May not need both. A few years back someone demonstrated > a colour e-ink display fast enough for video. > > I got my ebook reader last year, about this time, for about fifty dollars with tax. That was on sale, but it wsa a Kobo Mini. There are advantages to a dedicated reader. I'd already bought a Blackberry Plabyook, but it's a bit heavy. I'd doze off and drop the Playbook, while if I doze off holding the Kobo Mini, it's usually still in my hand when i wake up. The e-ink readers don't draw as much current. And since they don't do rapid pages so well, one is less likely to get distracted by the Web. The Kobo Mini does have a browser, but it's too slow and limited. I bought the tablet since if I was spending money I figured spend a bit more and get full function. And I'm happy with the tablet as a tablet. But I realized soon that I would be buying a dedicated ebook reader at some point, the experience of the tablet made me realize a dedicated one was the way to go. Apart from weight and size, the ebook reader really is a low drain on power, it lasts weeks between charging (at least when I've got the wifi turned off), while the Playbook needs charging every few hours (or left plugged into the charger). I have a Microsoft Surface 2, won last month from a contest. That's the best of the lot, but it's too big still to relax with a book. And sadly, the Kobo app doesn't do magazines, and I admit magazines with their glossy color photos really need a fancier tablet to read them. So now I have three options. The Playbook is large enough that I can live with it, but still small enough to pack into something like a large pocket. I cant' do that with the Surface 2. But the Kobo Mini is lighter and smaller, so I can take it to read books, and the browser is there in case I come across free wifi and a need to use it. It's hard to judge. I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but the trend seems to be towards unified devices. Mp3 players are disappearing, low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS units I've seen have been at garage and rummage sales. The assumption being that you get all the functions with a tablet. Michael
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| From | Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-14 08:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <20140614083750.c2d2943eed9fd25f0f9eea10@eircom.net> |
| In reply to | #3661 |
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400 Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > It's hard to judge. I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but the > trend seems to be towards unified devices. Mp3 players are disappearing, > low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS units I've seen > have been at garage and rummage sales. The assumption being that you get > all the functions with a tablet. Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead for a tablet. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-14 18:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1406141832310.5774@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #3664 |
On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400 > Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > >> It's hard to judge. I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but the >> trend seems to be towards unified devices. Mp3 players are disappearing, >> low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS units I've seen >> have been at garage and rummage sales. The assumption being that you get >> all the functions with a tablet. > > Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead for a > tablet. > Some of us aren't so technically advanced, and have no cellphones. So we have to make do with digital cameras, standalone GPS receivers, MP3 players and tablets. I believe I've had all of those along on some outings. If the small tablet had a card slot, then it could be the MP3 player too, but it lacks storage for that. And I'd rather have a proper digital camera, though I could make do with the camera in the tablet. Michael
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 10:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lnjt65$f63$5@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #3664 |
On 2014-06-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400 > Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: > >> It's hard to judge. I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but >> the trend seems to be towards unified devices. Mp3 players are >> disappearing, low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS >> units I've seen have been at garage and rummage sales. The >> assumption being that you get all the functions with a tablet. > > Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead > for a tablet. Different strokes for different folks; there is no optimum solution for everybody. When I travel and can choose only one gadget, I choose the tablet with ereader apps and the rest. At home I far prefer the e-ink screen for reading. In fact, I love it. Maybe that puts me in the minority, but whatever. When I walk the dogs I want my ipod nano in my pocket for music: it's lightweight and holds a ton of music. I leave the smartphone (which is bigger and heavier) at home. Some people still like dedicated devices. I'm one of them. Sometimes that means more devices, but I've got lots of pockets and none of those gadgets is too big.
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| From | "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 12:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.xhhs3r2ho4et73@dell3100> |
| In reply to | #3673 |
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:40:05 +0100, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On 2014-06-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:53:36 -0400 >> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >> >>> It's hard to judge. I would like to see cheaper ebook readers but >>> the trend seems to be towards unified devices. Mp3 players are >>> disappearing, low end cameras are fewer in number, the only cheap GPS >>> units I've seen have been at garage and rummage sales. The >>> assumption being that you get all the functions with a tablet. >> >> Mp3 player, GPS and camera come in phones these days, no nead >> for a tablet. > > > Different strokes for different folks; there is no optimum solution for > everybody. When I travel and can choose only one gadget, I choose the > tablet with ereader apps and the rest. At home I far prefer the e-ink > screen for reading. In fact, I love it. Maybe that puts me in the > minority, but whatever. When I walk the dogs I want my ipod nano in my > pocket for music: it's lightweight and holds a ton of music. I leave > the smartphone (which is bigger and heavier) at home. > > Some people still like dedicated devices. I'm one of them. Sometimes > that means more devices, but I've got lots of pockets and none of those > gadgets is too big. I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand. for text entry (e.g. usenet!) a keyboard is a must for me, so a netbook. for taking pictures I want a small pointable device, not a large slab; and again for phoning, so that could be combined, but I'm happy with my old phone (which I could play mp3s on if I wanted). A tablet just doesn't fit in to my requirements. -- It's a money /life balance.
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| From | Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 11:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c05driF5h0rU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3678 |
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:05:41 +0100, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote: > I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about > usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand. What do you use? I currently have an old Kindle which is nearly 4 years old and on its last legs. I am aware that some e-ink readers are limited in the formats they can handle; that's not a problem as I can convert. I'm more concerned about those (I *think* the Nook is one) where only part of the storage can be used for non-supplier books. I want a plain e-ink reader as I find them more restful; also, they have long battery life and are lighter than a tablet. Should I need other stuff, I'll just switch to the tablet anyway. -- Using UNIX since v6 (1975)... Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org
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| From | "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 12:37 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.xhhukir3o4et73@dell3100> |
| In reply to | #3679 |
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:20:18 +0100, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:05:41 +0100, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:
>
>> I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about
>> usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand.
>
> What do you use? I currently have an old Kindle which is nearly 4 years
> old and on its last legs.
>
> I am aware that some e-ink readers are limited in the formats they can
> handle; that's not a problem as I can convert. I'm more concerned about
> those (I *think* the Nook is one) where only part of the storage can be
> used for non-supplier books.
>
It's a Nook Simple Touch, so erm proven technology (or "old"), jail-broken
(is that the right word?), and I have stacks of space, and, if I fill up,
an external 2Gb card (higher are available). You miss out a bit on the
colour for illustrations and book covers, but I'm more of a content over
appearance type anyway.
FBReader is my reader of choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBReader
I try to obtain books in epub format, but as you say conversion is an
option.
Battery life is something I value, though I don't suppose I *need* a
reader to go a week without recharge, I think it's nice to have that
option.
> I want a plain e-ink reader as I find them more restful; also, they have
> long battery life and are lighter than a tablet. Should I need other
> stuff, I'll just switch to the tablet anyway.
Yup. Mine doesn't have the backlight, ("glow") but a clip-on LED is
acceptable.
--
It's a money /life balance.
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| From | root <NoEMail@home.org> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 17:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lnkm96$e0m$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #3680 |
Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:20:18 +0100, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:05:41 +0100, Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:
>>
>>> I have an e-ink reader, just the job for erm reading, and just about
>>> usable for simple web browsing, if nothing else to hand.
>>
>> What do you use? I currently have an old Kindle which is nearly 4 years
>> old and on its last legs.
>>
>> I am aware that some e-ink readers are limited in the formats they can
>> handle; that's not a problem as I can convert. I'm more concerned about
>> those (I *think* the Nook is one) where only part of the storage can be
>> used for non-supplier books.
>>
> It's a Nook Simple Touch, so erm proven technology (or "old"), jail-broken
> (is that the right word?), and I have stacks of space, and, if I fill up,
> an external 2Gb card (higher are available). You miss out a bit on the
> colour for illustrations and book covers, but I'm more of a content over
> appearance type anyway.
>
> FBReader is my reader of choice.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBReader
> I try to obtain books in epub format, but as you say conversion is an
> option.
>
> Battery life is something I value, though I don't suppose I *need* a
> reader to go a week without recharge, I think it's nice to have that
> option.
>
>> I want a plain e-ink reader as I find them more restful; also, they have
>> long battery life and are lighter than a tablet. Should I need other
>> stuff, I'll just switch to the tablet anyway.
>
> Yup. Mine doesn't have the backlight, ("glow") but a clip-on LED is
> acceptable.
>
>
I have bought over a dozen e-readers since the Literati first came out.
For e-ink I use the Nook Glowlight when I want to read an epub in
daylight. None of the lcd displays are suitable for reading, say,
in a car. However, the e-ink readers are simply not suitable for
reading PDF files, of which I have many many. For PDF files, such
as mathematical papers and textbooks I have to use a larger display
so, for outside I use a PocketBook-Pro or a Kindle-DX.
A little while ago I got a Nexus 7 and was so blown away by
the display I got the latest Samsung 12.2 and 10.1 tablets for
reading PDF files. The 12.2 is so good that I can read PDF versions
of international newspapers and magazines. The displays of the
Nexus 7, new Samsung tablets as well as the newest Kindle are
something to behold. I would never buy another Kindle because
they have limited storage and cannot read epub formats as
of my last Kindle (the DX).
I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as
the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid
can handle djvu formatted content.
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 15:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1406151551290.7355@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #3687 |
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, root wrote: > I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as > the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid > can handle djvu formatted content. > And that seems to be where things are going, it seems like the recent ebook readers are tablets. There was an article some years back about how standalone devices were loosing way, I hadn't noticed, but did afterwards. Most of the MP3 players are gone, unless you buy a really cheap one (I did, it didn't do folders). Cheap cameras are harder to find. And I can see the value of integration but I can also see the value of separate devices and I'm sorry that the separate devices are disappearing. I should have bought a second Sansa Fuze before they mostly disappeared. I remember when ebooks first started happening, in the mid-nineties? One small local bookstore had a glass case for them, the books sold in a package, and the store selling PDAs to read them on. Then circa 2009 I wanted something portable, and the PDAs were mostly gone. I thought of buying an iPod, but didn't like being locked in with Apple. Many of the options had disappeared right at that point, netbooks coming in (with advantages and disadvantages). Then a couple of years later, tablets coming in, not that different from PDAs except larger, and more capable. ANd things getting integrated into tablets, except for many tablets, they lack a memory card slot, and you can't do much via the USB port. Michael
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| From | "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-16 06:30 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <c06e52FccvqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3688 |
"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1406151551290.7355@darkstar.example.org... > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, root wrote: > > >> I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as >> the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid >> can handle djvu formatted content. >> > And that seems to be where things are going, it seems like the recent > ebook readers are tablets. > > There was an article some years back about how standalone devices were > loosing way, I hadn't noticed, but did afterwards. Most of the MP3 > players are gone, unless you buy a really cheap one (I did, it didn't do > folders). There are still plenty of ipods around. > Cheap cameras are harder to find. That's not correct either, there are still plenty of those around. And I can see the value of > integration but I can also see the value of separate devices Not at the low priced end. and I'm sorry > that the separate devices are disappearing. I should have bought a second > Sansa Fuze before they mostly disappeared. > I remember when ebooks first started happening, in the mid-nineties? One > small local bookstore had a glass case for them, the books sold in a > package, and the store selling PDAs to read them on. > > Then circa 2009 I wanted something portable, and the PDAs were mostly > gone. I thought of buying an iPod, but didn't like being locked in with > Apple. You arent with an ipod. Many of the options had disappeared right at that point, netbooks > coming in (with advantages and disadvantages). > > Then a couple of years later, tablets coming in, not that different from > PDAs except larger, and more capable. ANd things getting integrated into > tablets, except for many tablets, they lack a memory card slot, and you > can't do much via the USB port. You can do anything you want via the wifi and bluetooth.
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| From | Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-16 04:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlptco7.bt5.andyl@azaal.plus.com> |
| In reply to | #3689 |
On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:30:57 +1000, Oeter Johns <oj19854@nospam.com> wrote: > > > "Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message > news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1406151551290.7355@darkstar.example.org... >> On Sun, 15 Jun 2014, root wrote: >> >> >>> I used to prefer FB reader, but now I prefer EBook-Droid as >>> the reader app for my tablets. Among other things, EBookDroid >>> can handle djvu formatted content. >>> >> And that seems to be where things are going, it seems like the recent >> ebook readers are tablets. >> >> There was an article some years back about how standalone devices were >> loosing way, I hadn't noticed, but did afterwards. Most of the MP3 >> players are gone, unless you buy a really cheap one (I did, it didn't do >> folders). > > There are still plenty of ipods around. Not just ipods. I recently bought a SanDisk Sansa Clip+. 8GB of storage on the player plus it uses microSDXC cards so I have another 64GB of storage there. It was pretty cheap, and is very small. The inbuilt software has database limitations but it is very easy to replace it with RockBox (which I did even before loading any music onto it). -- Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_
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