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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2014-02-21 14:16 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-02-22 23:10 +0000 |
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Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-21 14:16 +0000
Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-21 17:33 +0100
Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement cykros@devio.us - 2014-02-23 05:39 +0000
Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 07:01 +0000
Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-22 14:14 +0000
Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-02-22 15:49 +0100
Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-02-22 15:46 +0000
Re: Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-22 17:30 +0000
Re: Tox A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-02-22 14:33 +0000
Re: Tox A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement "jonh" <jon@nada-sub.co.uk> - 2014-02-22 23:10 +0000
| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-21 14:16 +0000 |
| Subject | Tox: A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement |
| Message-ID | <le7n6a$kfe$1@solani.org> |
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_fre edom_skype_replacement/ Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for communication". Actually, no it wasn't. Otherwise, here's a link to something that looks interesting.
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| From | "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-02-21 17:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0obkta-k95.ln1@7398004cd8ad880124144d3c685567d7.anonymous> |
| In reply to | #660 |
On 2014-02-21, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_fre > edom_skype_replacement/ > > > Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for > communication". Actually, no it wasn't. I think it was. WWW was not, at least not for bi-directional communication. Thanks for the link. To make up ones mind will probably take some time, since it is a cmomples topic and apparently clients to collect some first hand experience are a bit sparse, but I was looking for a nice Skype replacement for home for some time now, so it's definitely interesting. -- Trolling is a art! My public-key is available on http://tinyurl.com/ps9r99y
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| From | cykros@devio.us |
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| Date | 2014-02-23 05:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lec1ih$fgp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #671 |
q.kontinuum <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 2014-02-21, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: >> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_fre >> edom_skype_replacement/ >> >> >> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for >> communication". Actually, no it wasn't. > > I think it was. WWW was not, at least not for bi-directional > communication. Thanks for the link. To make up ones mind will probably > take some time, since it is a cmomples topic and apparently clients to > collect some first hand experience are a bit sparse, but I was looking > for a nice Skype replacement for home for some time now, so it's > definitely interesting. Jitsi is also worth looking into. It uses true p2p encrypted sessions, and works otherwise as an xmpp client. Downside is, it's java. But it works, and has a reasonable enough interface.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-02-22 07:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlggiqr.oie.g.kreme@oswin.local> |
| In reply to | #660 |
In message <le7n6a$kfe$1@solani.org> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1yhp9a/tox_a_free_as_in_freedom_skype_replacement/ Interesting. > Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for > communication". Actually, no it wasn't. Yes, it most certainly was. -- If there's a bustle in your hedgerow don't be alarmed now.
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-22 14:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <leabbd$pc7$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #686 |
On 2014-02-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <le7n6a$kfe$1@solani.org> > RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > > Interesting. > >> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for >> communication". Actually, no it wasn't. > > Yes, it most certainly was. Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was created to distribute computing loads across different systems, so you could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and install it on a third machine. You could make different computing systems available to scientists and technicians in different localities. I think the communicative nature arose as those scientists began to talk to each other, share data, etc. But my impression is that the real initial impetus was to allow scientists and programmers to access powerful systems to do their work. Twitter was an afterthought, then. And Facebook was an accident (or a travesty) :) I highly recommend the following two books as they cover this stuff as well as some other ancient history like gopher, eric, WAIS, BBS, Fidonet, and the like (the reason I bought them): Inventing the Internet, by Janet Abbate (2000) A Brief History of the Future, by John Naughton (2000)
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| From | "q.kontinuum" <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-02-22 15:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <k0qmta-qib.ln1@7398004cd8ad880124144d3c685567d7.anonymous> |
| In reply to | #702 |
On 2014-02-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was > created to distribute computing loads across different systems, so you > could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and install > it on a third machine. So the machines communicate with each other. Maybe we have different definitions of communication in mind, maybe the original article as well. # https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_protocol #Within computer science, a communications protocol is a system of #digital rules for data exchange within or between computers. When #data is exchanged through a computer network, the rules system is #called a network protocol. # https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET#History #The earliest ideas for a computer network intended to allow general #communications among computer users were formulated by computer #scientist J. C. R. Licklider of Bolt, Beranek and Newman (BBN), in #April 1963, in memoranda discussing his concept for an "Intergalactic #Computer Network". Those ideas contained almost everything that #composes the contemporary Internet. In October 1963, Licklider was #appointed head of the Behavioral Sciences and Command and Control #programs at the Defense Department's Advanced Research Projects #Agency—ARPA (the initial ARPANET acronym). He then convinced Ivan #Sutherland and Bob Taylor that this computer network concept was very #important and merited development, although Licklider left ARPA #before any contracts were let that worked on this concept.[5] -- Trolling is a art! My public-key is available on http://tinyurl.com/ps9r99y
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-22 15:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <leago6$bbp$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #705 |
On 2014-02-22, q.kontinuum <achsis_of_elvis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 2014-02-22, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > >> Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was >> created to distribute computing loads across different systems, so you >> could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and install >> it on a third machine. > > So the machines communicate with each other. Maybe we have different > definitions of communication in mind, maybe the original article as > well. OK, by your definition, that would be correct. I was thinking more along the lines of "people posting pictures of stuff they are planning to eat." And by that definition, this Oatmeal comic is germane: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/incredible_photos I love the opening: "Whoa! 3 or more people I know are eating food at a restaurant! This incredibly unique experience cannot pass us by without a group photo!"
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-02-22 17:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlghnlu.1l3f.g.kreme@oswin.local> |
| In reply to | #702 |
In message <leabbd$pc7$1@solani.org> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On 2014-02-22, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <le7n6a$kfe$1@solani.org> >> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: >> >> Interesting. >> >>> Ignore the first sentence: "The internet was created for >>> communication". Actually, no it wasn't. >> >> Yes, it most certainly was. > Reading about the birth of ARPAnet and etc. it seems to me it was > created to distribute computing loads across different systems, No, it was created primarily so that researchers at different computer clusters could communicate with each other, sharing information and data. The nature of its basis in TCP/IP and packets was designed around being able to 'talk' to another machine. It does very little for distributed computing, and there are (and were) better ways to do that. TCP/IP and sockets are convenient, especially if the links between systems are very fast, with low latency or if the data being shared is (relatively) small. So, query a database over TCP/IP to get a text record? Sure. Do the same thing to pull out a very large image or video for processing? Not so much. > so you could write your code on one machine, compile it elsewhere, and > install it on a third machine. You could make different computing > systems available to scientists and technicians in different > localities. Mostly on the basis of logging on to that different location over something like rlogin and then being 'local' to that different location, which is communication. > I think the communicative nature arose as those scientists began to > talk to each other, share data, etc. But my impression is that the > real initial impetus was to allow scientists and programmers to access > powerful systems to do their work. The communication was there from the very beginning and is why we have TCP/IP. > Twitter was an afterthought, then. And Facebook was an accident (or a > travesty) :) Neither Twitter nor Facebook have anything to do with the creation of the Internet. -- 'Oh, them as makes the endings don't get them,' said Granny. --Maskerade
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| From | "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> |
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| Date | 2014-02-22 14:33 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Tox A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement |
| Message-ID | <4706#10806@usenet.squte.com> |
| In reply to | #660 |
> The biggest unknown is whether the protocol can gain enough critical mass to displace > the existing messaging apps�if all the people I want to talk to are still using > Skype, then I can only use Skype to talk to them. I guess some evangelism might > be in order... Some IM clients, like pidgin, support multiple protocols e.g. skype + jabber. So you can use this while you wait for your friends to switch. BTW, Welcome to s'qute, it's great to see you using the site. To make sure your posts get seen by as many people as possible you might want to set up a Usenet server: To do this, go to http://www.eternal-september.org/RegisterNewsAccount.php, and get an account. Then click here http://squte.com/user/1530/newshost Enter these details in: Host Name: reader80.eternal-september.org Login Name: your e-s username Login Password: your e-s password Host Port: 80 Then any comments you make on s'qute are automatically sent to Usenet and people can see them who use other clients to access the group. -- View this thread at http://squte.com/node/4706#comment-10806
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| From | "jonh" <jon@nada-sub.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-02-22 23:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Tox A Free as in Freedom Skype replacement |
| Message-ID | <4706#10825@usenet.squte.com> |
| In reply to | #729 |
Thanks for the clear instructions—I've attempted to follow them. I guess we'll find out how successful I was if this message hits Usenet… -- View this thread at http://squte.com/node/4706#comment-10825
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