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Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements

Started byRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
First post2019-04-29 17:30 -0400
Last post2019-05-02 15:50 +0000
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  Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-04-29 17:30 -0400
    Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-04-30 01:13 +0000
      Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2019-04-30 10:21 +0100
        Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-01 11:13 -0400
      Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2019-04-30 10:22 +0100
        Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> - 2019-04-30 10:24 +0100
    Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-01 07:25 +0000
      Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-01 11:10 +0000
        Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-05-02 11:59 +0100
          Re: Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-02 15:50 +0000

#17889 — Win10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements

FromRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
Date2019-04-29 17:30 -0400
SubjectWin10 will now require 32GB to install, double present requirements
Message-ID<r07kpf-qg9.ln1@rasp.therandymon.com>
From the «hey spyware takes disk space too» department:
Title: The difference between October and May? About 16GB, says Microsoft: Windows 10 1903 will need 32GB of space
Author: Richard Speed
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 15:32:01 -0400
Link: http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/26/windows_10_storage/

Storage requirements embiggened in Redmond's upcoming OS emission

Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 10's voracious appetite for storage
remains undiminished in the upcoming May 2019 Update (1903).…



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#17892

FromRoger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>
Date2019-04-30 01:13 +0000
Message-ID<20190429210743@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#17889
On 2019-04-29, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> Storage requirements embiggened in Redmond's upcoming OS emission
>
> Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 10's voracious appetite for storage
> remains undiminished in the upcoming May 2019 Update (1903).…

Don't even get me started. A fresh new hell every six months. Windows 10
is a system administrator's worst nightmare. They even bundle Office 365
nagware in the OS. With absolutely nothing Office-related listed in the
installed programs, selecting any file that Office can potentially open
(even if say you have Libre Office installed), the user is spammed to
set up a 30-day free Office 365 trial and pay Microsoft in perpetuity
thereafter. Gag me with a spoon.

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#17894

FromAdrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>
Date2019-04-30 10:21 +0100
Message-ID<a69edb1f-a0c7-3c4e-9436-5f0410490050@here.invalid>
In reply to#17892
On 30/04/2019 02:13, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2019-04-29, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> Storage requirements embiggened in Redmond's upcoming OS emission
>>
>> Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 10's voracious appetite for storage
>> remains undiminished in the upcoming May 2019 Update (1903).…
> 
> Don't even get me started. A fresh new hell every six months. Windows 10
> is a system administrator's worst nightmare. They even bundle Office 365
> nagware in the OS. With absolutely nothing Office-related listed in the
> installed programs, selecting any file that Office can potentially open
> (even if say you have Libre Office installed), the user is spammed to
> set up a 30-day free Office 365 trial and pay Microsoft in perpetuity
> thereafter. Gag me with a spoon.
> 

Businesses should be on LTSB with an Active Directory infrastructure and 
group / security / update policies in place. The chief architect must 
have studied for an MCSE and be conversant with SCCM deployment and the 
WSUS server role, seat/client licencing etc, etc...

Too many hurdles to jump, a lot of small business's have the CEO visit 
the tech store (after lunch), buy a windows machine pre-installed with a 
Home edition OS, and enter the Microsoft horror Candy Crush Saga 
twilight zone ...

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Adrian C

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#17903

Fromkludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Date2019-05-01 11:13 -0400
Message-ID<qacd3c$dbu$1@panix2.panix.com>
In reply to#17894
Adrian Caspersz  <email@here.invalid> wrote:
>
>Businesses should be on LTSB with an Active Directory infrastructure and 
>group / security / update policies in place. The chief architect must 
>have studied for an MCSE and be conversant with SCCM deployment and the 
>WSUS server role, seat/client licencing etc, etc...
>
>Too many hurdles to jump, a lot of small business's have the CEO visit 
>the tech store (after lunch), buy a windows machine pre-installed with a 
>Home edition OS, and enter the Microsoft horror Candy Crush Saga 
>twilight zone ...

What is worse, a lot of large businesses have employees who buy a Windows
machine at the tech store with their own money in order to get their work
done, because the IT people have burdened their company machine down with
so many restrictions that they are unable to use it.  This is another example
of security efforts resulting in lower security.
--scott


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#17895

FromAdrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>
Date2019-04-30 10:22 +0100
Message-ID<giqie5FlkfoU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#17892
On 30/04/2019 02:13, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2019-04-29, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> Storage requirements embiggened in Redmond's upcoming OS emission
>>
>> Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 10's voracious appetite for storage
>> remains undiminished in the upcoming May 2019 Update (1903).…
> 
> Don't even get me started. A fresh new hell every six months. Windows 10
> is a system administrator's worst nightmare. They even bundle Office 365
> nagware in the OS. With absolutely nothing Office-related listed in the
> installed programs, selecting any file that Office can potentially open
> (even if say you have Libre Office installed), the user is spammed to
> set up a 30-day free Office 365 trial and pay Microsoft in perpetuity
> thereafter. Gag me with a spoon.
> 

Businesses should be on Windows 10 LTSB with an Active Directory 
infrastructure and group / security / update policies in place. The 
chief architect must have studied for an MCSE and be conversant with 
SCCM deployment and the WSUS server role, seat/client licencing etc, etc...

Too many hurdles to jump, a lot of small business's have the CEO visit 
the tech store (after lunch), buy a windows machine pre-installed with a 
Home edition OS, and enter the Microsoft horror Candy Crush Saga 
twilight zone ...

-- 
Adrian C

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#17896

FromAdrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid>
Date2019-04-30 10:24 +0100
Message-ID<giqihjFlkfoU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#17895
On 30/04/2019 10:22, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

> Too many hurdles to jump, a lot of small business's have the CEO visit 
> the tech store (after lunch), buy a windows machine pre-installed with a 
> Home edition OS, and enter the Microsoft horror Candy Crush Saga 
> twilight zone ...
> 

(sorry, mail client temporarily did something I told it not to)

-- 
Adrian C

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#17900

FromOregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-05-01 07:25 +0000
Message-ID<qabhl3$gnp$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#17889
> Title: The difference between October and May? About 16GB, says
> Microsoft: Windows 10 1903 will need 32GB of space

Hahaha my only question is why do businesses still put up with this
garbage? Most business users just use a web browser and some botnet cloud
productivity suite these days anyway.

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#17901

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2019-05-01 11:10 +0000
Message-ID<qaburs$p78$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#17900
Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Title: The difference between October and May? About 16GB, says
>> Microsoft: Windows 10 1903 will need 32GB of space
> 
> Hahaha my only question is why do businesses still put up with this
> garbage?

Because:

1) the slick ms salsepeople are quite good at talking them into "why 
   they need ms" because of all the supposed 'benefits'

2) this is the way it has always been done 
   (https://themindunleashed.com/2016/02/the-famous-social-experiment-5-monkeys-and-a-ladder.html)

3) a false belief that they need 'support' and the even more false 
   belief that they would even have a chance at suing ms should 
   something go wrong that ms can't fix.  I.e., that they get to 
   offload some/all of their risk onto ms - in reality they can't, the 
   80 pages of legalese absolves ms of any and all risk, yet businesses 
   think they need this as a CYA.

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#17922

FromRichard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2019-05-02 11:59 +0100
Message-ID<87y33pjf5u.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk>
In reply to#17901
Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
> Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Title: The difference between October and May? About 16GB, says
>>> Microsoft: Windows 10 1903 will need 32GB of space
>> 
>> Hahaha my only question is why do businesses still put up with this
>> garbage?
>
> Because:

0) If your applications only run on a certain platform, you buy that
   platform. Being able to actually operate your business beats
   everything else.

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#17923

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2019-05-02 15:50 +0000
Message-ID<qaf3js$qou$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#17922
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>> Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Title: The difference between October and May? About 16GB, says
>>>> Microsoft: Windows 10 1903 will need 32GB of space
>>> 
>>> Hahaha my only question is why do businesses still put up with this
>>> garbage?
>>
>> Because:
> 
> 0) If your applications only run on a certain platform, you buy that
>   platform. Being able to actually operate your business beats
>   everything else.

Which of course also provides for the 'lock in effect'.

0.1) You built your applications for said certain platform, so now you 
either:
  0.1a) continue to use said certian platform 
  0.1b) expend lots of additional funds to migrate to "alternate 
        platform"

And when the bean counters come around looking, they often see 0.1b 
expenditures as either unnecessary (if they are not yet occurring) or 
as wasteful (if they are presently occurring).

So unless the costs (that the bean counters can count) for path 0.1a 
exceed the costs for path 0.1b by a significant enough margin, you'll 
always be "guided" down path 0.1a, whether you want to go that way or 
not.

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