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the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks

Started byRS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
First post2017-03-02 16:26 -0500
Last post2017-03-04 15:43 +0000
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  the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2017-03-02 16:26 -0500
    Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2017-03-03 00:09 +0200
      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2017-03-03 00:04 +0000
        Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-03 00:25 +0000
          Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2017-03-03 11:02 +0000
            Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-03 11:05 +0000
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2017-03-03 11:06 +0000
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2017-03-03 15:40 +0200
          Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-03-03 23:01 +0100
            Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-03 22:13 +0000
        Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2017-03-03 14:07 +0200
          Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2017-03-03 12:12 +0000
          Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks "RS Wood" <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2017-03-03 08:47 -0500
            Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2017-03-03 16:37 +0200
    Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2017-03-03 02:37 +0000
    Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2017-03-03 11:01 +0000
    Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-03 12:12 +0000
      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-03-03 13:51 +0000
        Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-03-03 14:19 +0000
          Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2017-03-03 12:59 -0500
            Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2017-03-03 18:14 +0000
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2017-03-03 16:06 -0400
      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-03-03 16:02 +0000
        Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2017-03-04 15:44 +0200
    Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Caecilius <nospam@spamless.invalid> - 2017-03-03 18:29 +0000
      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-03 22:16 +0000
        Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2017-03-04 07:35 +0000
          Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-03-04 10:19 +0100
            Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2017-03-04 11:16 +0000
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-03-04 12:47 +0100
                Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-04 12:35 +0000
          Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-04 09:42 +0000
            Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2017-03-04 11:20 +0000
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-03-04 12:48 +0100
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-04 12:34 +0000
                Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2017-03-04 15:39 +0000
                  Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2017-03-18 13:06 +0000
                    Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2017-03-19 18:56 -0400
                      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-20 00:35 +0000
                      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2017-03-20 05:47 +0000
                      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> - 2017-03-20 06:06 +0000
                      Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-03-21 19:01 +0100
            Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-03-04 12:41 +0100
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2017-03-04 12:58 +0100
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2017-03-04 12:34 +0000
              Re: the Unix philosophy and a collection of hacks Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2017-03-04 15:43 +0000

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#13339

FromMike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk>
Date2017-03-20 06:06 +0000
Message-ID<8AH8kKH7F3zYFwVV@jasper.org.uk>
In reply to#13334
En el artículo <87lgs0510c.fsf@therandymon.com>, RS Wood
<rsw@therandymon.com> escribió:

>For us non-VMSers, what is it: something like this?  Never seen one, and
>Google is no help.

http://www.xanthos.se/~joachim/jensen-console.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/SRM_loading_aboot.png

-- 
 (\_/)
(='.'=)  "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(")   the one I never tried before."  - Mae West

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#13344

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2017-03-21 19:01 +0100
Message-ID<bd68qd-sld2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#13334
On 2017-03-19, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> Mike Tomlinson <mike@jasper.org.uk> writes:
>
>> En el artículo <ei05c5F76vuU1@mid.individual.net>, Andy Burns
>> <usenet@andyburns.uk> escribió:
>>
>>> dead sergeant prompt.
>>
>> Heh.  First time I've seen it called that.
>
> For us non-VMSers, what is it: something like this?  Never seen one, and
> Google is no help.


KA655X-B V5.3, VMB 2.7
Performing normal system tests.
40..39..38..37..36..35..34..33..32..31..30..29..28..27..26..25..
24..23..22..21..20..19..18..17..16..15..14..13..12..11..10..09..
08..07..06..05..04..03..
Tests completed.
>>>                       <-- this one here
>>>show dev               <-- and this, with a command
UQSSP Disk Controller 0 (772150)
-DUA0 (RA90)
-DUA1 (RA82)
-DUA2 (RA82)
-DUA3 (RA82)

... (lots of devices listed here)

>>>boot
(BOOT/R5:0 DUA0


  2..
-DUA0
  1..0..


   OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version V7.3     Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0

-- 
A supercomputer is a device for turning compute-bound problems into
I/O-bound problems.                                 ---Ken Batcher

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#13271

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2017-03-04 12:41 +0100
Message-ID<uolqod-ooh.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#13268
On 2017-03-04, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 07:35:21 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Bob Eager wrote:
>> 
>>> I still run VMS for fun!
>> 
>> I've got a VAXserver 3300 downstairs, unfortunately VMS-less, it boots
>> fine and when sees the disc drive(s), starts booting OK from tape, but
>> when installing VMS it complains it can't see any discs to install to.
>> My experience of uVAX discs is limited to SCSI, not DSSI.
>
> Are the disks too big? Or did they once work? I had to hack my disks to 
> be 'small enough'.

Good thinking.  IIRC the 3100 models couldn't boot from a disk larger
than 1GB.  I think it was a firmware thing.  Once the system was up
it could quite happily cope with larger disks.

I know too little about the 3500.

-- 
A supercomputer is a device for turning compute-bound problems into
I/O-bound problems.                                 ---Ken Batcher

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#13274

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2017-03-04 12:58 +0100
Message-ID<pnmqod-ooh.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#13271
On 2017-03-04, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On 2017-03-04, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 07:35:21 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I still run VMS for fun!
>>> 
>>> I've got a VAXserver 3300 downstairs, unfortunately VMS-less, it boots
>>> fine and when sees the disc drive(s), starts booting OK from tape, but
>>> when installing VMS it complains it can't see any discs to install to.
>>> My experience of uVAX discs is limited to SCSI, not DSSI.
>>
>> Are the disks too big? Or did they once work? I had to hack my disks to 
>> be 'small enough'.
>
> Good thinking.  IIRC the 3100 models couldn't boot from a disk larger
> than 1GB.  I think it was a firmware thing.  Once the system was up
> it could quite happily cope with larger disks.
>
> I know too little about the 3500.
                              ^^^^
Or even the 3300 ...

-- 
A supercomputer is a device for turning compute-bound problems into
I/O-bound problems.                                 ---Ken Batcher

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#13276

FromBob Eager <news0006@eager.cx>
Date2017-03-04 12:34 +0000
Message-ID<ehvqjeFd9qfU21@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#13271
On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 12:41:50 +0100, Paul Sture wrote:

> On 2017-03-04, Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 07:35:21 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Eager wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I still run VMS for fun!
>>> 
>>> I've got a VAXserver 3300 downstairs, unfortunately VMS-less, it boots
>>> fine and when sees the disc drive(s), starts booting OK from tape, but
>>> when installing VMS it complains it can't see any discs to install to.
>>> My experience of uVAX discs is limited to SCSI, not DSSI.
>>
>> Are the disks too big? Or did they once work? I had to hack my disks to
>> be 'small enough'.
> 
> Good thinking.  IIRC the 3100 models couldn't boot from a disk larger
> than 1GB.  I think it was a firmware thing.  Once the system was up it
> could quite happily cope with larger disks.

My 3100 boots OK with disks up to 4.1GB (I think). I know I had to hack 
the disk's capacity a bit.

-- 
Using UNIX since v6 (1975)...

Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
 http://www.mirrorservice.org

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#13279

FromAndy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
Date2017-03-04 15:43 +0000
Message-ID<ei05jiF7bajU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#13271
Paul Sture wrote:

> Bob Eager wrote:
>
>> Are the disks too big?
>
> Good thinking.  IIRC the 3100 models couldn't boot from a disk larger
> than 1GB.  I think it was a firmware thing.  Once the system was up
> it could quite happily cope with larger disks.

3100 hardware I am/was familiar with, fairly sure the disc (just checked 
and there's only one "plastic ID plug" installed) is well under 1GB.

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