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Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

Started byDale R Worley <worley@shell01.TheWorld.com>
First post2014-05-23 16:39 -0400
Last post2014-05-26 17:54 +0100
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  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Dale R Worley <worley@shell01.TheWorld.com> - 2014-05-23 16:39 -0400
    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2014-05-23 16:32 -0500
      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-23 23:28 +0000
      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 08:23 +0200
    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 23:55 +0000
      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2014-05-24 00:17 +0000
        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2014-05-24 10:21 -0300
          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2014-05-24 14:37 +0000
          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 16:29 +0000
          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 14:16 -0500
            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-05-24 14:45 -0500
              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-25 11:25 +0200
                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-25 10:32 +0100
                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 21:40 +0000
                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:35 +0000
                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-26 13:34 -0500
                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 21:35 +0000
                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-26 21:47 +0000
                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-27 00:09 +0200
                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-28 16:07 -0500
                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2014-05-29 02:16 +0200
                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-05-28 23:23 -0600
                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-29 11:26 +0000
                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 10:30 -0500
                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-29 20:05 +0100
                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-29 20:31 +0000
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-29 22:36 +0100
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 19:16 -0500
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-30 12:19 +0000
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 15:31 +1000
                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-31 23:54 +0000
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 11:31 +1000
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-01 10:27 +0100
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-01 12:15 +0200
                                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:14 +1000
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:12 +1000
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-30 12:19 +0000
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 08:00 -0500
                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2014-05-30 14:44 +0100
                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 15:42 +1000
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-31 07:29 -0400
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 07:36 +1000
                                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-31 17:47 -0400
                                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 09:37 +1000
                                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-01 00:00 +0000
                                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 11:34 +1000
                                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-01 12:31 +0000
                                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-06-01 12:48 -0800
                                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:22 +1000
                                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-02 07:09 -0400
                                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-06-02 16:27 +0000
                                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2014-06-02 13:00 -0500
                                                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-06-02 13:16 -0500
                                                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-06-02 13:57 -0500
                                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2014-08-29 13:38 -0400
                                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-08-29 22:14 +0300
                                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? greymaus <greymausg@mail.com> - 2014-08-29 20:55 +0000
                                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-08-30 01:21 +0000
                                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-31 23:54 +0000
                                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-06-01 09:23 +0000
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-06-01 09:44 -0500
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-31 23:54 +0000
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 11:21 +1000
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-06-01 09:59 -0500
                                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-02 07:03 -0400
                                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-06-04 09:33 -0800
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-06-01 09:35 -0500
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:31 +1000
                                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2014-06-01 21:59 -0500
                                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 16:46 +1000
                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-31 07:26 -0400
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-31 12:48 -0500
                                                  Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 07:44 +1000
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-01 07:32 +1000
                                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-06-01 12:18 -0800
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 18:59 -0500
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-30 07:28 +0100
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 09:26 -0500
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-30 15:24 -0800
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 17:40 +1000
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 16:24 +1000
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-05-30 15:57 +0000
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-30 16:14 +0000
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-31 12:46 +0000
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-31 21:41 -0400
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-01 12:31 +0000
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-06-02 09:19 +1000
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-02 07:06 -0400
                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2014-05-29 21:46 +0200
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-29 21:31 -0400
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 20:49 -0500
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-30 02:00 +0000
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 11:42 -0500
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-30 06:32 -0400
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 16:22 -0500
                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-30 22:43 +0100
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-30 08:06 -0400
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-30 12:29 +0000
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-30 13:23 +0100
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 09:44 -0500
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 15:52 +1000
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> - 2014-05-30 07:18 +0000
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 21:09 +1000
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-30 16:17 +0000
                                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-30 13:19 -0400
                                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-30 21:47 +0000
                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-30 23:01 +0100
                                              Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-30 18:44 -0400
                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 17:17 -0500
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-30 07:51 -0400
                                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 09:47 -0500
                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-30 08:03 -0400
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 09:48 -0500
                                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-31 15:03 +1000
                                    Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-30 12:53 +0000
                                Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 15:14 +1000
                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-29 13:33 +0000
                            Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 14:40 +1000
                        Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-05-26 20:38 -0600
                          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 13:32 +1000
                      Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 05:58 +1000
          Re: How much does a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn weigh? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-25 15:09 +0000
      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-24 09:41 +0100
        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 20:37 +1000
          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-24 14:05 +0000
            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-24 18:48 +0100
              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-25 12:34 +0200
                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-25 13:57 +0100
                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-25 17:15 +0100
                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-25 15:44 +0100
                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> - 2014-05-25 16:28 +0000
            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 06:39 +1000
              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-24 21:22 +0000
                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 08:19 +1000
                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-25 08:10 +0000
                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 20:44 +1000
                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-25 16:11 +0000
                        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 04:16 +1000
            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-25 10:28 +0100
              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-25 15:09 +0000
                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> - 2014-05-25 16:32 +0000
                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-25 17:39 +0100
                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-05-25 12:20 -0500
                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-25 18:55 +0100
                        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 20:02 +0000
                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2014-05-25 22:29 +0100
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-05-25 17:20 -0500
                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 05:06 +0000
                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-26 11:45 +0100
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-26 12:34 +0000
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-26 14:28 +0000
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-26 16:05 +0000
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:35 +0000
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-26 13:41 +0100
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-26 14:39 +0000
                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-26 16:03 +0100
                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-05-26 11:27 -0400
                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-26 12:26 -0400
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-26 13:36 -0500
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:46 +0000
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 21:27 +0200
                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-26 15:46 -0400
                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-26 17:01 -0500
                                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-27 11:40 +0100
                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-26 14:59 -0500
                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-27 12:17 +0100
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn ERSHC <ershc123@invalid.invalid> - 2014-05-27 03:50 +0000
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-27 05:50 +1000
                        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-26 12:54 -0400
                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-26 17:49 +0000
                            Re: a long way from a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2014-05-26 17:55 +0000
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-26 19:48 +0100
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:59 +0000
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-27 09:03 -0400
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-27 16:01 +0100
                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-27 16:03 +0100
                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-27 16:55 +0100
                                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-27 17:47 +0100
                                        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-27 21:34 +0100
                                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-27 21:20 +0000
                                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2014-05-27 20:16 -0500
                                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-28 11:22 +0100
                                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-28 13:27 +0300
                                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2014-05-29 15:20 -0500
                                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:39 +0100
                                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-30 12:19 +0000
                                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-30 07:43 -0400
                                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-30 13:19 +0100
                                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-30 12:29 +0000
                                                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-30 16:57 +0300
                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-27 17:28 +0100
                                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-27 17:48 +0100
                                        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-27 18:12 +0000
                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-27 17:05 -0400
                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-28 00:12 +0000
                                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-28 08:08 +0000
                                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-28 11:01 +0100
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn cb@bobby.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2014-05-28 11:02 +0000
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-27 08:53 -0400
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rob Brown <brown@greenslade.gmcl.internal> - 2014-05-27 21:05 +0000
                              Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2014-05-27 22:21 +0000
                                Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-28 14:38 -0500
                                Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-29 01:50 +0100
                                  Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-29 07:34 +0100
                                    Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-29 10:08 +0100
                                      Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-29 10:15 +0100
                                      Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-29 09:40 +0000
                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 20:58 +0200
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-27 09:35 -0400
                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-26 20:58 +0100
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-26 21:16 +0100
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-26 20:22 +0000
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-27 11:33 +0100
                                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-27 10:49 -0400
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 23:46 +0200
                              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-27 06:39 +0100
                                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-05-27 10:45 +0000
                  Re: components not found in a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2014-05-25 19:05 +0000
                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-25 22:23 +0200
                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-26 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-27 13:01 +0000
                    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-29 00:24 +0100
                      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-29 12:52 +0000
                        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-29 15:00 +0100
                          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-05-29 14:21 -0700
                            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:40 +0100
              Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2014-05-25 17:30 +0100
                Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-25 20:38 +0100
        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 16:29 +0000
          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 14:28 -0500
            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-26 07:54 -0800
          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-24 22:37 +0000
          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> - 2014-05-25 07:16 +0000
            Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2014-05-25 10:26 +0000
      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-05-24 07:28 -0400
    Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-25 16:08 +0000
      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-25 19:33 +0000
        Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2014-05-31 09:06 +0100
          Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-31 10:28 +0200
      Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-05-26 17:54 +0100

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#3303 — Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

FromJohn Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Date2014-05-27 22:21 +0000
SubjectRe: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<lm334p$k8v$2@miucha.iecc.com>
In reply to#3301
>Ten-plus years ago I was reading an account of an Atlantic convoy during
>World War Two.  Some ship(s?) had lost contact with the convoy and the
>convoy was trying to reconnect.  I clearly remember reading something to
>the effect of "they could not establish contact using radio-telephone, so
>they tried wireless".

Radio-telephone was voice, wireless was probably Morse code.

-- 
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#3327 — Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2014-05-28 14:38 -0500
SubjectRe: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<lm5dv8$oef$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3303
"John Levine" <johnl@iecc.com> wrote in message 
news:lm334p$k8v$2@miucha.iecc.com...
> >Ten-plus years ago I was reading an account of an Atlantic convoy during
>>World War Two.  Some ship(s?) had lost contact with the convoy and the
>>convoy was trying to reconnect.  I clearly remember reading something to
>>the effect of "they could not establish contact using radio-telephone, so
>>they tried wireless".
>
> Radio-telephone was voice, wireless was probably Morse code.
>

Yes, the original "wireless" sets on ships only sent Morse code.  The 
"wireless operator" was really a telegrapher.  That's what was on the 
Titanic and on the ships that heard the Titanic's pleas for aid. 
Unfortunately, in the early days, the wireless operator would close his 
station at 10 or 11 pm and the ship could *not* be contacted until morning. 
Later on there were rules that required a wireless operator to always be on 
duty... though obviously *not* necessarily the *same* person as operator, 
but one of the operators had to be on duty at all times.

--

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#3334 — Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

FromJohny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com>
Date2014-05-29 01:50 +0100
SubjectRe: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<tquco9tns4l17aie7qusdjf30cjgjp30i9@4ax.com>
In reply to#3303
On Tue, 27 May 2014 22:21:13 +0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
wrote:

>>Ten-plus years ago I was reading an account of an Atlantic convoy during
>>World War Two.  Some ship(s?) had lost contact with the convoy and the
>>convoy was trying to reconnect.  I clearly remember reading something to
>>the effect of "they could not establish contact using radio-telephone, so
>>they tried wireless".
>
>Radio-telephone was voice, wireless was probably Morse code.

 Most likely this distinction arose on account the earliest use of
wireless transmission involved the simple on/off keying of the carrier
wave[1] (sidebands and all with the earliest spark transmitters) to
send telegraphic messages using Morse code, hence the phrase "Wireless
Telegraphy".

 The later development of amplitude modulation used for broadcasting
to domestic wireless radio sets led to the term 'radio telephony' (as
well as wireless telephony). The expression to 'listen to the radio'
or 'tune the radio into kxyl (or 2LO or whatever)' seems to have given
rise to the name 'radio telephone'.

 Inevitably, 'wireless telegraphy' would become shortened to
'wireless' and 'wireless voice communication' referred to as 'radio
telephony' to maintain the distinction.

 It's quite easy to see how the phrase,  "they could not establish
contact using radio-telephone, so they tried wireless.", came about.

 By that time, the use of narrow band filtering in the recievers
(perhaps just a matter of audio filtering) allowed much greater ranges
to be achieved for the low bandwidth digital morse code transmission
over am voice transmission for similar transmitter power levels.

 Wireless telegraphy would have been regarded as 'The More Rugged'
mode of wireless communication, hence when they couldn't communicate
using the radio telephone, they then resorted to using a system that
was known to offer a much better chance of establishing communication
under such marginal conditions.

[1] On / off keying a "Carrier Wave" to transmit morse coded signals
has been abbreviated by the 'Ham Fraternity' to "CW". Other forms of
modulation are readily identified by acronyms such as AM, FM and SSB
(USB or LSB, typically with the carrier wave suppressed by 30 db or
more).
-- 
Regards, J B Good

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#3337 — Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

From"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2014-05-29 07:34 +0100
SubjectRe: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<lm6kdi$ppf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3334
"Johny B Good" <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
news:tquco9tns4l17aie7qusdjf30cjgjp30i9@4ax.com...
>
> [1] On / off keying a "Carrier Wave" to transmit morse coded signals
> has been abbreviated by the 'Ham Fraternity' to "CW". Other forms of
> modulation are readily identified by acronyms such as AM, FM and SSB
> (USB or LSB, typically with the carrier wave suppressed by 30 db or
> more).

I beg to correct you here?

"CW" is an abbreviation for, "Continuous Wave", to distinguish other forms
of transmission (alternator, electronic) from spark transmissions which were
a series of Logarithmic Decrement bursts.

Yes, it does apply to Ham Morse on a regular basis, but is a misnomer.

Morse Code is also AM in the simple case of on/off keying of the carrier
and does have sidebands, the bandwidth of which is dependent on
the sharpness of the keying.

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#3338 — Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

FromJohny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com>
Date2014-05-29 10:08 +0100
SubjectRe: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<ejtdo956qkb9rrji45jht02h149p5ojv0n@4ax.com>
In reply to#3337
On Thu, 29 May 2014 07:34:22 +0100, "gareth"
<no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

>"Johny B Good" <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
>news:tquco9tns4l17aie7qusdjf30cjgjp30i9@4ax.com...
>>
>> [1] On / off keying a "Carrier Wave" to transmit morse coded signals
>> has been abbreviated by the 'Ham Fraternity' to "CW". Other forms of
>> modulation are readily identified by acronyms such as AM, FM and SSB
>> (USB or LSB, typically with the carrier wave suppressed by 30 db or
>> more).
>
>I beg to correct you here?

 Correction accepted.

>
>"CW" is an abbreviation for, "Continuous Wave", to distinguish other forms
>of transmission (alternator, electronic) from spark transmissions which were
>a series of Logarithmic Decrement bursts.
>
>Yes, it does apply to Ham Morse on a regular basis, but is a misnomer.

 Not entirely. The continuos wave is a reference to an otherwise
steady carrier wave with no other intended modulation imposed other
than that generated by the on off keying (preferably using a 'key
click filter')

>
>Morse Code is also AM in the simple case of on/off keying of the carrier
>and does have sidebands, the bandwidth of which is dependent on
>the sharpness of the keying.

 Entirely true for on off keying. Alternative methods of sending morse
code with a continuous wave included frequency shift keying (also
using a key click filter to minimise unnecessary sidebands).

 It's been almost half a century since I was studying for (and passed)
my RAE, hence the 'sloppiness' in my use of the terminology ( for
which I apologise).
-- 
Regards, J B Good

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#3339 — Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

From"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2014-05-29 10:15 +0100
SubjectRe: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<lm6ts7$gbq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3338
"Johny B Good" <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> wrote in message 
news:ejtdo956qkb9rrji45jht02h149p5ojv0n@4ax.com...
>
> It's been almost half a century since I was studying for (and passed)
> my RAE,

44 years here, but I like to keep up with things (there is no obligation for 
you to)


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#3340 — Re: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

Fromglen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Date2014-05-29 09:40 +0000
SubjectRe: A long time before there was a revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<lm6v9s$r4r$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#3338
In alt.sys.pdp11 Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2014 07:34:22 +0100, "gareth"
> <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

(snip)
>>"CW" is an abbreviation for, "Continuous Wave", to distinguish other forms
>>of transmission (alternator, electronic) from spark transmissions which were
>>a series of Logarithmic Decrement bursts.

>>Yes, it does apply to Ham Morse on a regular basis, but is a misnomer.
 
> Not entirely. The continuos wave is a reference to an otherwise
> steady carrier wave with no other intended modulation imposed other
> than that generated by the on off keying (preferably using a 'key
> click filter')

The carrier input to any modulator is CW, but the output isn't,
and that is the point. 
 
>>Morse Code is also AM in the simple case of on/off keying of the carrier
>>and does have sidebands, the bandwidth of which is dependent on
>>the sharpness of the keying.
 
> Entirely true for on off keying. Alternative methods of sending morse
> code with a continuous wave included frequency shift keying (also
> using a key click filter to minimise unnecessary sidebands).
 
> It's been almost half a century since I was studying for (and passed)
> my RAE, hence the 'sloppiness' in my use of the terminology ( for
> which I apologise).

-- glen

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#3247

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-05-26 20:58 +0200
Message-ID<dgfc5b-ko42.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#3230
On 2014-05-26, Shmuel Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
> In <250520141855225987%timstreater@greenbee.net>, on 05/25/2014
>    at 06:55 PM, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
>
>>And in what way are these words/phrases inaccurate?
>
> How is a box containing components strung together with wires
> "wireless"?

Because they received transmissions without wires connecting them to the
source.

In areas with poor radio reception, wired radio was once a reality:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rediffusion>

> Don't expect natural languages to make sense.

It usually pays to look at the history of the word or phrase.


-- 
Paul Sture

The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise
her to change her maiden name                                  -- @gojomo

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#3286

FromShmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid>
Date2014-05-27 09:35 -0400
Message-ID<538494bf$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
In reply to#3247
In <dgfc5b-ko42.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, on 05/26/2014
   at 08:58 PM, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> said:

>It usually pays to look at the history of the word or phrase.

I was aware of the history. The term is still nonsensical, like many
other things in natural languages. Usually the nonsense creeps in
through shifts in meaning or through incursions of different
linguistic groups, but in this case it was nonsense from the get go.

-- 
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#3257

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2014-05-26 20:58 +0100
Message-ID<20140526205827.732b6e84bbecfccb0d560a11@eircom.net>
In reply to#3230
On Mon, 26 May 2014 12:54:26 -0400
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

> In <250520141855225987%timstreater@greenbee.net>, on 05/25/2014
>    at 06:55 PM, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> said:
> 
> >And in what way are these words/phrases inaccurate?
> 
> How is a box containing components strung together with wires
> "wireless"?

	There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver. unlike for
example telephone or telegraph.

> Don't expect natural languages to make sense.

	However in this case it did make sense.

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#3259

From"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2014-05-26 21:16 +0100
Message-ID<lm07e4$587$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3257
"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
news:20140526205827.732b6e84bbecfccb0d560a11@eircom.net...
>
> There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver. unlike for
> example telephone or telegraph.
>

<PEDANT>
    Except the electricity grid?   :-)
</PEDANT>

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#3260

FromRich <rich@example.invalid>
Date2014-05-26 20:22 +0000
Message-ID<lm07pu$646$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3259
In comp.misc gareth <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
> news:20140526205827.732b6e84bbecfccb0d560a11@eircom.net...
> >
> > There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver. unlike for
> > example telephone or telegraph.
> >

> <PEDANT>
>     Except the electricity grid?   :-)
> </PEDANT>

In the very early days, in most places there would have been no
electricity grid (or at least not to the extent we know today).  The
radios (both receiver and transmitter) would more than likely have been
powered off either batteries or some form of local (to the transmitter
or receiver) generator.

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#3278

From"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid>
Date2014-05-27 11:33 +0100
Message-ID<lm1pmg$iru$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3260
"Rich" <rich@example.invalid> wrote in message 
news:lm07pu$646$1@dont-email.me...
> In comp.misc gareth <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>> news:20140526205827.732b6e84bbecfccb0d560a11@eircom.net...
>> >
>> > There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver. unlike for
>> > example telephone or telegraph.
>> >
>
>> <PEDANT>
>>     Except the electricity grid?   :-)
>> </PEDANT>
>
> In the very early days, in most places there would have been no
> electricity grid (or at least not to the extent we know today).  The
> radios (both receiver and transmitter) would more than likely have been
> powered off either batteries or some form of local (to the transmitter
> or receiver) generator.

And the generator itself (a high frquency alternator) was the transmitter!

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#3289

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2014-05-27 10:49 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1405271048330.18724@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#3278
On Tue, 27 May 2014, gareth wrote:

> "Rich" <rich@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:lm07pu$646$1@dont-email.me...
>> In comp.misc gareth <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:20140526205827.732b6e84bbecfccb0d560a11@eircom.net...
>>>>
>>>> There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver. unlike for
>>>> example telephone or telegraph.
>>>>
>>
>>> <PEDANT>
>>>     Except the electricity grid?   :-)
>>> </PEDANT>
>>
>> In the very early days, in most places there would have been no
>> electricity grid (or at least not to the extent we know today).  The
>> radios (both receiver and transmitter) would more than likely have been
>> powered off either batteries or some form of local (to the transmitter
>> or receiver) generator.
>
> And the generator itself (a high frquency alternator) was the transmitter!
>
>
>
That's when things got cleaner.  Originally, the transmitters were spark 
gaps, which tended to be broad, but it didn't matter, not that many uses 
for radio at the time.

I think that's why shipboard radio operators were often named "Sparky".

   Michael

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#3266

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-05-26 23:46 +0200
Message-ID<cbpc5b-fed2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#3259
On 2014-05-26, gareth <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
> news:20140526205827.732b6e84bbecfccb0d560a11@eircom.net...
>>
>> There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver. unlike for
>> example telephone or telegraph.
>>
>
><PEDANT>
>     Except the electricity grid?   :-)
></PEDANT>

Mountain top. Battery powered radio :-)

-- 
Paul Sture

The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise
her to change her maiden name                                  -- @gojomo

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#3277

FromAhem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net>
Date2014-05-27 06:39 +0100
Message-ID<20140527063910.db7d309e1311d2be15c687a5@eircom.net>
In reply to#3259
On Mon, 26 May 2014 21:16:03 +0100
"gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:

> "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message 
> news:20140526205827.732b6e84bbecfccb0d560a11@eircom.net...
> >
> > There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver. unlike for
> > example telephone or telegraph.
> >
> 
> <PEDANT>
>     Except the electricity grid?   :-)
> </PEDANT>

	Battery power was not uncommon for a wireless receiver.

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#3281

Fromrpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock)
Date2014-05-27 10:45 +0000
Message-ID<53846cc0$0$52781$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#3277
Ahem A Rivet's Shot  <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
+---------------
| "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> wrote:
| > "Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
| > > There is no wire between the transmitter and receiver.
| > > unlike for example telephone or telegraph.
| > 
| > <PEDANT>
| >     Except the electricity grid?   :-)
| > </PEDANT>
| 
| Battery power was not uncommon for a wireless receiver.
+---------------

In fact, it was so common that "B+" became synonymous for
the positive side of the main D.C. voltage in circuits, the
name coming from the "B battery" used for the vacuum tube
plate (anode) supply:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(vacuum_tube)#B_battery
    ...
    Even when the plate voltage rail is fed by a power supply
    rather than a battery, it is generally referred to as the
    "B+" line in American schematics.

As late as my college years, 90 volt B batteries were still
readily obtainable at electrical supply houses and even at
some hardware stores [the kind that catered to those living
way out in the country].


-Rob

p.s. If you read the full article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_(vacuum_tube)

you will learn [if you don't already know] that "A batteries"
were used for the filament (cathode) heater supplies, and
"C batteries" were used for negative grid bias supplies.

-----
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#3173 — Re: components not found in a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn

FromJohn Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Date2014-05-25 19:05 +0000
SubjectRe: components not found in a Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn
Message-ID<lltet8$1hpj$1@miucha.iecc.com>
In reply to#3166
>> [emoticon wrenching back to on-topic]  Valves.  :-)  I still can't
>> get over that term.
>
>If you mean the electronic devices it comes from their mode of
>operation where a control grid varies the flow of electrons in the
>same way a control wheel/lever controls the flow of liquid in a
>mechanical valve.   

Sure doesn't look like any sort of tube I know.  A bulb perhaps, or a
flask or a bottle.  But a tube?  Naah.




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#3186

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-05-25 22:23 +0200
Message-ID<520a5b-gp7.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#3166
On 2014-05-25, Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> On 25 May 2014 15:09:30 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>  
>> [emoticon wrenching back to on-topic]  Valves.  :-)  I still can't
>> get over that term.
>
> If you mean the electronic devices it comes from their mode of
> operation where a control grid varies the flow of electrons in the
> same way a control wheel/lever controls the flow of liquid in a
> mechanical valve.   

Yep and that's why valves were used in amplifiers; a small voltage/current
as produced by a record or tape pickup is turned into a larger one which
can drive loudspeakers.

-- 
Paul Sture

The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise
her to change her maiden name                                  -- @gojomo

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#3225

FromJohny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com>
Date2014-05-26 17:20 +0100
Message-ID<57o6o9hhl9r8dbr8mgih4ulf9rhg6ohqos@4ax.com>
In reply to#3157
On 25 May 2014 15:09:30 GMT, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> wrote:

>Stanley Daniel de Liver wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 May 2014 15:05:52 +0100, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 May 2014 20:37:28 +1000, 2ju wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>>>> news:op.xgcvqq1jo4et73@dell3100...
>>>>> On Sat, 24 May 2014 00:55:06 +0100, glen herrmannsfeldt
>>>>> <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In alt.sys.pdp11 Dale R Worley <worley@shell01.theworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fortnight is little-used, but its meaning is clear if you look it
>>>>>>> up in the dictionary.  The problem with the stone is that there are
>>>>>>> two versions:  14 lb. and 20 lb, and since it is not used at all in
>>>>>>> the US, there's no way for a USanian to find out which definition is
>>>>>>> the one used for weighing humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember when Canada sold gasoline (and probably other things) in
>>>>>> imperial gallons, which were 5/4 US gallons. (Or close to that.)
>>>>>>
>>>>> We don't have gasoline in the Britain, just petroleum.
>>>>
>>>> Petrol, actually.
>>>
>>> Petroleum spirit is, I believe, the correct term.
>>>
>> Quite; the transpondians refer to Gasoline as gas (though it is a liquid)
>> whilst we old world folk say petrol as an abbreviation for petroleum.
>
>Gas is shorthand for gasoline.
>
>
>> Same with lino/linoleum.
>> Other abbreviations are widely found:
>> taxi or cab for taxi-metered cabriolet
>> car for carriage
>> bus for omnibus
>> pram for perambulator
>> bike for bicycle (though some also use it for motor-bicycle)
>> tram for trampoline
>> etc
>
>[emoticon wrenching back to on-topic]  Valves.  :-)  I still can't
>get over that term.
>

 Get over it! That's short for "Thermionic Control Valve" which is a
very descriptive term for a triode valve (the grid acts as a control
on the electron flow in a similar way to the gate in a control valve
used to control a flow of liquid).

 Even a rectifier diode valve is the equivilent of a non-return valve
used in fluid control. It's certainly better than the american "vacuum
tube" name (the earliest valves were bulb shaped rather tube shaped -
what the fuck was that all about?).

 The only time we in the UK refer to a 'tube' is when we refer to a
CRT "Picture Valve". Since this use, in the UK, is a unique reference
to this one specific type of "Valve". It also helps that it did
originally have a 'tubelike' appearance anyway and the fact that the T
in 'CRT' stands for 'Tube' also legitimises such a contraction.

 We routinely use _that_ one americanism without any prejudice as to
its origin since it's so much less of a mouthfull to say (or write),
i.e. it suits our needs to do so and isn't such a 'stretch' from its
functionally determined appearance of 'Tubiness'. :-)

 Referring to everything else as a 'valve' rather than a 'tube' means
we have a linguistic advantage when writing up any articles on valve
TV sets with a colour tube. :-)
-- 
Regards, J B Good

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