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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2014-05-19 15:44 +0000 |
| Last post | 2014-05-21 13:06 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 45 participants |
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Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-19 15:44 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-19 15:47 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-19 21:33 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 10:32 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 11:01 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 11:38 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 12:23 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-21 12:40 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-21 15:59 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 13:16 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-21 18:38 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 13:18 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-05-21 13:46 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 21:22 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 15:03 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 15:20 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk> - 2014-05-22 21:40 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-05-22 08:20 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-22 18:14 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-05-23 07:21 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn pechter@tucker.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2014-05-21 19:11 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-21 20:18 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 21:16 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-21 22:19 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-21 23:02 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-22 05:42 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-22 19:22 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-22 19:26 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-22 17:52 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-22 18:02 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 02:02 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 13:16 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 06:51 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-23 09:35 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-23 19:55 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-05-23 09:49 -0600
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-23 19:24 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2014-05-23 14:23 -0600
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 16:19 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-23 07:32 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 07:09 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 09:36 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 19:00 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 15:21 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-23 21:58 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-24 00:34 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 10:22 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-23 17:35 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-24 10:20 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:41 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-24 00:33 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-24 10:39 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-24 09:28 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-24 13:13 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-24 10:51 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-24 18:50 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-24 20:05 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stan Barr <plan.b@dsl.pipex.com> - 2014-05-24 16:22 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-24 19:30 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-26 09:36 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-26 15:01 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-26 22:02 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 19:17 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-26 15:40 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 22:14 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-25 22:30 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-26 05:02 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-24 20:34 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-24 13:36 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-24 16:29 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 14:47 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-25 22:43 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-25 17:56 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-26 11:49 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-26 14:18 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-28 17:46 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-28 20:11 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-28 13:29 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-28 19:19 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-05-29 14:10 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-30 00:42 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-30 05:48 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-29 18:00 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 13:17 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-30 15:57 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-30 11:29 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-30 15:55 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-05-30 20:32 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-31 08:50 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-06-01 10:11 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-01 16:07 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-29 18:42 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lawrence Statton <lawrence@perl.mx> - 2014-05-29 14:15 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-29 15:32 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-28 19:13 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-28 14:44 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-05-28 22:45 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:10 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-05-29 05:48 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-26 13:26 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-26 13:06 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-26 12:35 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Christian Corti <use@reply.to> - 2014-05-28 17:49 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-28 13:06 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 14:16 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-30 04:47 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-30 11:41 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "ratty" <ratty@gmail.com> - 2014-05-30 21:05 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2014-05-30 19:16 +0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-26 13:02 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-26 18:44 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 21:10 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-26 21:14 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-26 21:45 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 23:59 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-26 23:44 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2014-05-27 11:35 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-26 20:25 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-05-26 13:38 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-27 13:59 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2014-06-14 18:05 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-15 07:32 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-06-15 00:50 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-06-15 16:44 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 16:27 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 14:53 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 06:59 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-24 22:44 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-29 13:40 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-29 20:01 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-05-24 19:01 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-25 00:58 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-25 13:17 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-26 17:08 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-25 10:17 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-22 09:54 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-22 15:56 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-22 14:07 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-23 12:44 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-21 08:20 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-22 17:58 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-23 00:00 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-22 18:12 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 09:50 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-05-23 18:37 +0300
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 16:59 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-23 16:22 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-23 12:08 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-23 12:03 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-23 21:58 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 03:20 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-24 13:11 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:47 -0400
What constitutes being a Yankee? [was Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2014-05-29 14:58 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-24 15:59 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2014-05-23 23:41 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-24 04:09 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:52 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-05-24 21:31 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-05-25 14:34 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2014-05-23 16:15 +0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-21 14:15 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-21 14:35 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2014-05-21 14:38 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-05-21 08:22 -0800
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-05-21 15:43 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-22 15:54 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> - 2014-05-21 07:07 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-21 15:23 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-19 23:10 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-19 22:54 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-20 19:52 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-20 23:22 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-20 11:10 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-05-20 11:56 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-20 12:32 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-05-20 15:24 -0500
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-05-21 14:08 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-05-21 16:06 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-20 13:50 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rob Brown <brown@greenslade.gmcl.internal> - 2014-05-20 19:49 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 10:35 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2014-05-20 21:11 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-05-20 21:20 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-05-20 13:45 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-05-21 05:31 +1000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2014-05-21 09:35 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2014-05-20 15:14 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Rob Brown <brown@greenslade.gmcl.internal> - 2014-05-20 20:00 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-05-20 16:45 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-05-20 21:14 -0700
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-05-21 09:42 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-05-21 10:33 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-20 13:40 +0000
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-21 09:40 +0200
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-21 08:27 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 16:10 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-05-21 12:11 -0400
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-05-21 20:52 +0100
Re: Revamped PDP-11 in Brooklyn jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-05-21 13:06 +0000
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| From | polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-06-14 18:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <c03dnaFnhujU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3037 |
On 23/05/2014 21:21, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > Likewise, you often see "ug" or "um" because some apparently find it too > difficult to write "μg" or "μm". The medical field uses "mcg", which is > even worse than "ug". I think it is not difficulty of writing but two other factors. Difficulty of inputting and using mu on computers and typewriters, and doing so reliably. And the second is the difficulty of those not at all involved in medical or scientific matters, such as patients, in appreciating the distinction between mu and u. Also, medical units very often use capital L for litre due to the ease of confusion between the usual culprits. By the way, does anyone know how or why any competent font designer would ever produce a font in which confusion hasn't been very largely designed out? (I'll allow that some fancy fonts might not be so wonderful - I am really thinking of the workaday fonts in which clarity is vital.) -- Rod
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| From | "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 07:32 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <c03tblFqqsoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3666 |
"polygonum" <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> wrote in message news:c03dnaFnhujU1@mid.individual.net... > On 23/05/2014 21:21, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >> Likewise, you often see "ug" or "um" because some apparently find it too >> difficult to write "μg" or "μm". The medical field uses "mcg", which is >> even worse than "ug". > > I think it is not difficulty of writing but two other factors. Difficulty > of inputting and using mu on computers and typewriters, and doing so > reliably. And the second is the difficulty of those not at all involved in > medical or scientific matters, such as patients, in appreciating the > distinction between mu and u. > > Also, medical units very often use capital L for litre due to the ease of > confusion between the usual culprits. By the way, does anyone know how or > why any competent font designer would ever produce a font in which > confusion hasn't been very largely designed out? Because they just don’t understand the problem. It's less clear why we haven't got fonts specifically designed to be used in that situation. (I'll allow that > some fancy fonts might not be so wonderful - I am really thinking of the > workaday fonts in which clarity is vital.)
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| From | Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 00:50 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <87sin7tb39.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> |
| In reply to | #3668 |
"Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com>:
> It's less clear why we haven't got fonts specifically designed to be
> used in that situation.
I think it is mildly amusing that the Western Civilization has not
bothered to come up with more distinct glyphs. As it stands, I am
occasionally baffled by headlines like:
George III Ill for 111 Days
escpecially since I use sans serif fonts.
Marko
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-06-15 16:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <h2o07b-ko41.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #3669 |
On 2014-06-14, Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> wrote: > "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com>: > >> It's less clear why we haven't got fonts specifically designed to be >> used in that situation. > > I think it is mildly amusing that the Western Civilization has not > bothered to come up with more distinct glyphs. As it stands, I am > occasionally baffled by headlines like: > > George III Ill for 111 Days > > escpecially since I use sans serif fonts. This is where I look for fonts without that particular ambiguity. The lower case 'l' and '1' above are different in the font I am using to edit this post, but it takes concentration. Here's a selection of fonts someone offered me yesterday in an offline discussion: <https://01.org/clear-sans> <http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html> <http://www.marksimonson.com/fonts/view/anonymous-pro> <http://www.fontsquirrel.com> -- You can't look at a glass as half full or half empty if it's overflowing.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-05-24 16:27 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <erm65b-h8p.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #3024 |
On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 22-May-14 21:02, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >> And for some interesting unit questions, the duty free allowance >> coming into the US is 1 liter, and for going into Canada (such as >> from the US) it is 40 ounces. > > Well, the vast majority of imports into both countries will be across > their (very long) common border, so it's easier to understand as a limit > of 40oz coming from the US and 1L coming from Canada. > >> It seems that they make special 1l bottles of alcoholic beverages > > Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks like > "11". That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically in their list of available fonts and that was the default. -- Paul Sture The final step of #heartbleed recovery is to call your mother, and advise her to change her maiden name -- @gojomo
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2014-05-24 14:53 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <llqtbk$khk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3082 |
On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: > On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 22-May-14 21:02, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>> And for some interesting unit questions, the duty free allowance >>> coming into the US is 1 liter, and for going into Canada (such >>> as from the US) it is 40 ounces. >> >> Well, the vast majority of imports into both countries will be >> across their (very long) common border, so it's easier to >> understand as a limit of 40oz coming from the US and 1L coming from >> Canada. >> >>> It seems that they make special 1l bottles of alcoholic >>> beverages >> >> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >> like "11". > > That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely > blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default > when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically > in their list of available fonts and that was the default. The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). I've read that old, cheap typewriters didn't have a "1" key; you were expected to use the "l" key. Ditto for "0" and "O". S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "2ju" <2ju@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-25 06:59 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <bucfi1F6lv5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #3101 |
"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote in message news:llqtbk$khk$1@dont-email.me... > On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 22-May-14 21:02, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>>> And for some interesting unit questions, the duty free allowance >>>> coming into the US is 1 liter, and for going into Canada (such >>>> as from the US) it is 40 ounces. >>> >>> Well, the vast majority of imports into both countries will be >>> across their (very long) common border, so it's easier to >>> understand as a limit of 40oz coming from the US and 1L coming from >>> Canada. >>> >>>> It seems that they make special 1l bottles of alcoholic >>>> beverages >>> >>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >>> like "11". >> >> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default >> when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically >> in their list of available fonts and that was the default. > > The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, > including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or > Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). > > I've read that old, cheap typewriters didn't have a "1" key; you were > expected to use the "l" key. Ditto for "0" and "O". It's certainly true that plenty didn’t have one or the other but there is no real correlation with price. http://www.google.com/search?q=typewriter+keyboard+picture&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=sQaBU9mDGYOVkwWQ5oCYAQ&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=550&dpr=1.5
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-05-24 22:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlo286n.1ras.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #3101 |
In message <llqtbk$khk$1@dont-email.me> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 22-May-14 21:02, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>>> And for some interesting unit questions, the duty free allowance >>>> coming into the US is 1 liter, and for going into Canada (such >>>> as from the US) it is 40 ounces. >>> >>> Well, the vast majority of imports into both countries will be >>> across their (very long) common border, so it's easier to >>> understand as a limit of 40oz coming from the US and 1L coming from >>> Canada. >>> >>>> It seems that they make special 1l bottles of alcoholic >>>> beverages >>> >>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >>> like "11". >> >> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default >> when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically >> in their list of available fonts and that was the default. > The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, > including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or > Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). The 1 is slanted in Courier. The 1 and l are nothing alike in Calibri, and impossible to confuse (the l is san serif, the 1 has a base and a slant and is imialr to the courier 1). I use monospaced fonts for email and USENET. I like Menlo, though for years I used ProFont, but it's not updated for UTF-8 and is a bit flakey with some apps now. I require that my monospace font have a slashed 0 and heavy ; and : weights. <https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dv7z6c0o8uaqft/Screenshot%202014-05-24%2016.44.23.PNG> -- The reason that we don't have "bear-proof" garbage cans in the park is that there is a significant overlap in intelligence between the smartest bears and the dumbest humans.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2014-05-29 13:40 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lm7uuc$aqa$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3118 |
On 24-May-14 17:44, Lewis wrote: > In message <llqtbk$khk$1@dont-email.me> Stephen Sprunk > <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >>> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>>> On 22-May-14 21:02, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>>>> And for some interesting unit questions, the duty free >>>>> allowance coming into the US is 1 liter, and for going into >>>>> Canada (such as from the US) it is 40 ounces. >>>> >>>> Well, the vast majority of imports into both countries will be >>>> across their (very long) common border, so it's easier to >>>> understand as a limit of 40oz coming from the US and 1L coming >>>> from Canada. >>>> >>>>> It seems that they make special 1l bottles of alcoholic >>>>> beverages >>>> >>>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter >>>> looks like "11". >>> >>> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >>> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the >>> default when creating various documents; it was the first one >>> alphabetically in their list of available fonts and that was the >>> default. > >> The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly >> use, including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use >> Arial or Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia >> (serif). > > The 1 is slanted in Courier. The bar that sticks out at the top is slanted for "1" and not for "l", but depending on resolution, that may only be a few pixels, and it's easily missed when they're right next to each other, e.g. "1l". OTOH, "1L" is distinctive in any font. > The 1 and l are nothing alike in > Calibri, and impossible to confuse (the l is san serif, the 1 has a > base and a slant and is imialr to the courier 1). Indeed; I was thinking of the other new font starting with a "C" that is now the default in some other MS Office app. While I wouldn't mistake "1l" for "11" in Calibri, it would take me a second to figure out what the second character was. > I use monospaced fonts for email and USENET. I like Menlo, though > for years I used ProFont, but it's not updated for UTF-8 and is a bit > flakey with some apps now. I require that my monospace font have a > slashed 0 and heavy ; and : weights. > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dv7z6c0o8uaqft/Screenshot%202014-05-24%2016.44.23.PNG> Interesting; I never bothered looking for other fixed-width fonts before, and while I don't like sans-serif for body text, maybe there's a serif option that doesn't have such similar "1" and "l" glyphs. Suggestions are welcome. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2014-05-29 20:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <290520142001290224%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #3353 |
> On 24-May-14 17:44, Lewis wrote: > > I use monospaced fonts for email and USENET. I like Menlo, though > > for years I used ProFont, but it's not updated for UTF-8 and is a bit > > flakey with some apps now. I require that my monospace font have a > > slashed 0 and heavy ; and : weights. > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/7dv7z6c0o8uaqft/Screenshot%202014-05-24%2016.44.2 > > 3.PNG> Not too different from Monaco which is what I use. -- "If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid tripping your hair-trigger insecurities." - D M Procida, UCSM
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-05-24 19:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1405241858360.13072@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #3101 |
On Sat, 24 May 2014, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 22-May-14 21:02, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>>> And for some interesting unit questions, the duty free allowance >>>> coming into the US is 1 liter, and for going into Canada (such >>>> as from the US) it is 40 ounces. >>> >>> Well, the vast majority of imports into both countries will be >>> across their (very long) common border, so it's easier to >>> understand as a limit of 40oz coming from the US and 1L coming from >>> Canada. >>> >>>> It seems that they make special 1l bottles of alcoholic >>>> beverages >>> >>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >>> like "11". >> >> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default >> when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically >> in their list of available fonts and that was the default. > > The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, > including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or > Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). > > I've read that old, cheap typewriters didn't have a "1" key; you were > expected to use the "l" key. Ditto for "0" and "O". > I don't think it was a matter of price. The "1" key was used for something else, I can't remember. And I can't remember what was different about typewriters that had the "1" key. I certainly saw "1l" as "one litre" in the original post. And once we all moved to computes, one could no longer use the "l" key for "1" since the computer then couldn't tell what you meant. Michael
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2014-05-25 00:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <0.f5dccbc8f741858fc4e7.20140525005850BST.8738fy3f0l.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #3101 |
Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes: > On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: <snip> >>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >>> like "11". >> >> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default >> when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically >> in their list of available fonts and that was the default. > > The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, > including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or > Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). Fonts designed for programming often make some effort to distinguish between 1 and l and between 0 and O. The font I'm reading this with, Ubuntu mono (which is the same as DejaVu mono in this respect), has a dot in the 0 and the l has a distinctive curl at the bottom. <snip> -- Ben.
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| From | Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-25 13:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <871866612422716038.787749peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #3120 |
Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote: > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes: > >> On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >>> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > <snip> >>>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >>>> like "11". >>> >>> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >>> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default >>> when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically >>> in their list of available fonts and that was the default. >> >> The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, >> including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or >> Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). > > Fonts designed for programming often make some effort to distinguish > between 1 and l and between 0 and O. The font I'm reading this with, > Ubuntu mono (which is the same as DejaVu mono in this respect), has a > dot in the 0 and the l has a distinctive curl at the bottom. I tend to not consider non-programming fonts; most plain text doesn't intermix "1" and "l" in such a way that they can't be easily distinguished. -- Pete
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| From | "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-26 17:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lm0e03$nim$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3146 |
"Peter Flass" <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:871866612422716038.787749peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org... > Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote: >> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> writes: >> >>> On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >>>> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >> <snip> >>>>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >>>>> like "11". >>>> >>>> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >>>> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default >>>> when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically >>>> in their list of available fonts and that was the default. >>> >>> The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, >>> including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or >>> Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). >> >> Fonts designed for programming often make some effort to distinguish >> between 1 and l and between 0 and O. The font I'm reading this with, >> Ubuntu mono (which is the same as DejaVu mono in this respect), has a >> dot in the 0 and the l has a distinctive curl at the bottom. > > I tend to not consider non-programming fonts; most plain text doesn't > intermix "1" and "l" in such a way that they can't be easily > distinguished. > Indeed, up to at least the mid-1950's, typewriters had *no* key for the digit "1". Most typists used the small letter "L" for a one, although I have seen cases of the use of a capital "I" for one. The small "L" was distringuished from "1" by context, which was... as Peter said... usually obvious. -- numerist at aquaporin4 dot com
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| From | "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2014-05-25 10:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <op.xger3lqio4et73@dell3100> |
| In reply to | #3101 |
On Sat, 24 May 2014 20:53:24 +0100, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 24-May-14 09:27, Paul Sture wrote: >> On 2014-05-23, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: >>> On 22-May-14 21:02, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >>>> And for some interesting unit questions, the duty free allowance >>>> coming into the US is 1 liter, and for going into Canada (such >>>> as from the US) it is 40 ounces. >>> >>> Well, the vast majority of imports into both countries will be >>> across their (very long) common border, so it's easier to >>> understand as a limit of 40oz coming from the US and 1L coming from >>> Canada. >>> >>>> It seems that they make special 1l bottles of alcoholic >>>> beverages >>> >>> Please write "1L" rather than "1l"; in most fonts, the latter looks >>> like "11". >> >> That isn't "most fonts" in my experience, but we can definitely >> blame Microsoft here for popularising Arial by making it the default >> when creating various documents; it was the first one alphabetically >> in their list of available fonts and that was the default. > > The two glyphs look very similar in _all_ of the fonts I commonly use, > including Courier New for plain-text email/news. I rarely use Arial or > Times New Roman; I prefer Calibri (sans serif) and Georgia (serif). > > I've read that old, cheap typewriters didn't have a "1" key; you were > expected to use the "l" key. Ditto for "0" and "O". > They weren't cheap back when they were first made! There are several design compromises in mechanical typewriters (we are (I certainly am) still using qwerty keyboards) > S > -- It's a money /life balance.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-22 09:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bu5vr1Fpb4kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2973 |
On 2014-05-21, Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: > On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:18:36 +0100, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2014-05-21, Bill Gunshannon <bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu> wrote: >>> In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, >>> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could >>>>>>> eat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >>>>> >>>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >>>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to >>>>> 16.5 >>>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >>>>> decades. >>>> >>>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >>>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >>>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >>>> >>> >>> How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? >> >> 14 lb. So, when I really *was* "Huge", I was 280lb. >> >>> Sorry, here it is :-) >>> >>> I am sure most of our American readers are either confused or scrambling >>> for Google to find out just what that means. >> >> Interesting that although America has retained much obsolete British >> terminology, usage and units, they have discarded the stone. And the >> fortnight. >> >> > What about pints!! Yes, please. -- Today is Boomtime, the 69th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 "I do not believe in revealed religion — I will have nothing to do with your immortality; we are miserable enough in this life, without speculating on another." Lord Byron, 1778-1824, letter to Rev. Francis Hodgson, 1811
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2014-05-22 15:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlns7ho.scb.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #2973 |
In message <op.xf77w8i1o4et73@dell3100> Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: > On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:18:36 +0100, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> On 2014-05-21, Bill Gunshannon <bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu> wrote: >>> In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, >>> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could >>>>>>> eat. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >>>>> >>>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >>>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to >>>>> 16.5 >>>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >>>>> decades. >>>> >>>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >>>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >>>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >>>> >>> >>> How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? >> >> 14 lb. So, when I really *was* "Huge", I was 280lb. >> >>> Sorry, here it is :-) >>> >>> I am sure most of our American readers are either confused or scrambling >>> for Google to find out just what that means. >> >> Interesting that although America has retained much obsolete British >> terminology, usage and units, they have discarded the stone. And the >> fortnight. >> >> > What about pints!! It comes in pints?! -- S is for SUSAN who perished of fits T is for TITUS who flew into bits
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| From | Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-22 14:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <proto-26C0E2.14072522052014@news.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #2991 |
In article <slrnlns7ho.scb.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <op.xf77w8i1o4et73@dell3100> > Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: > > On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:18:36 +0100, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > > >> On 2014-05-21, Bill Gunshannon <bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu> wrote: > >>> In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, > >>> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: > >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: > >>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could > >>>>>>> eat. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, > >>>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to > >>>>> 16.5 > >>>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for > >>>>> decades. > >>>> > >>>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 > >>>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. > >>>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! > >>>> > >>> > >>> How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? > >> > >> 14 lb. So, when I really *was* "Huge", I was 280lb. > >> > >>> Sorry, here it is :-) > >>> > >>> I am sure most of our American readers are either confused or scrambling > >>> for Google to find out just what that means. > >> > >> Interesting that although America has retained much obsolete British > >> terminology, usage and units, they have discarded the stone. And the > >> fortnight. > >> > >> > > What about pints!! > > It comes in pints?! An elephant? -- Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.
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| From | jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2014-05-23 12:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <PM0004FA10C6D8092B@ac81b102.ipt.aol.com> |
| In reply to | #2995 |
Walter Bushell wrote: > In article <slrnlns7ho.scb.g.kreme@amelia.local>, > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >> In message <op.xf77w8i1o4et73@dell3100> >> Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: >> > On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:18:36 +0100, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> >> >> On 2014-05-21, Bill Gunshannon <bill@server3.cs.scranton.edu> wrote: >> >>> In article <bu3k5kF1v2cU3@mid.individual.net>, >> >>> Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> writes: >> >>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:38:19 +0000, Huge wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 2014-05-21, Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> wrote: >> >>>>>> On Wed, 21 May 2014 10:32:48 +0000, Huge wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Happy days, and as many free biscuits/bags of crisps as you could >> >>>>>>> eat. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Is that why you are Huge? :-) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> One of the reasons. It differs only by one letter from my given name, >> >>>>> I'm 6'3" and have been 20 stone in the past (although back down to >> >>>>> 16.5 >> >>>>> at the moment), and it's what my friends have been calling me for >> >>>>> decades. >> >>>> >> >>>> I was a bit over 21 stone this time last year. I'm now a bit under 17 >> >>>> stone although I've kept it fairly static at 17 stone since Christmas. >> >>>> Aiming to lose a bit more now...! >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> How big are those stones? Pebbles? Boulders? >> >> >> >> 14 lb. So, when I really *was* "Huge", I was 280lb. >> >> >> >>> Sorry, here it is :-) >> >>> >> >>> I am sure most of our American readers are either confused or scrambling >> >>> for Google to find out just what that means. >> >> >> >> Interesting that although America has retained much obsolete British >> >> terminology, usage and units, they have discarded the stone. And the >> >> fortnight. >> >> >> >> >> > What about pints!! >> >> It comes in pints?! > > An elephant? ROTFLMAO. /BAH
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| From | "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-05-21 08:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <535.289T2107T5005012@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
| In reply to | #2952 |
In article <bu3ndcF8gbeU6@mid.individual.net>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid (Huge) writes: > Interesting that although America has retained much obsolete British > terminology, usage and units, they have discarded the stone. And the > fortnight. Maybe they just don't like the number 14. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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