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  US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-28 08:50 +0000
    Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-28 09:30 +0000
      Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-28 11:28 +0000
        Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-28 15:14 +0000
          Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-28 16:18 +0000
            Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-29 10:36 +0000
    Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-28 13:03 -0300
    Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-28 18:50 -0700
      Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-29 10:37 +0000
        Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-29 16:44 -0300
          Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-29 16:41 -0700
            Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-30 10:57 +0000
              Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-30 21:18 +0000
              Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2014-03-30 22:40 +0000
                Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-31 08:38 +0000
                Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-31 09:54 +0000
            Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-30 14:13 +0000
              Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-31 01:33 -0300
            Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-31 16:20 +0000
              Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-31 19:54 +0000

#2100 — US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone

From the «they could use one» department:
Title: U.S. Department of Defense throws BlackBerry 10 a welcome lifeline
Author: Brad Reed
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:46:56 -0400
Link: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/Gao4HdvDi20/
Podcast Download URL: http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/5336a674178087fe17311cb340af70be?s=96&d=identicon&r=G

[image 2][1]

If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's
BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the
past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy
BlackBerry 7 platform[4]. BlackBerry did announce some good news on Thursday,
however, when it revealed that BlackBerry 10 had received the Full
Operational Capability certification from the United States Department of
Defense. BlackBerry 10 is the only mobile platform to receive FOC so far and
the company says that the certification will allow "government employees to
realize the full security, productivity, communication and collaboration
benefits of the BlackBerry 10 solution." The company's full press release
follows below.

Continue reading...[1]
[image 5]

Links:
[1]: http://bgr.com/2014/03/27/blackberry-10-dod-certification/ (link)
[2]: http://c2.bgr.com/2013/05/screen-shot-2013-05-14-at-9-34-03-am.png?w=610 (image)
[3]: http://bgr.com/tag/blackberry-10 (link)
[4]: http://bgr.com/2013/12/20/blackberry-earnings-q3-2014/ (link)
[5]: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~4/Gao4HdvDi20 (image)

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#2102

On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> quoted:

> If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's
> BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the
> past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy
> BlackBerry 7 platform[4]

I'm greatly saddened. I have a Z10, and I really like it.

-- 
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A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit
interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected
second-countable space.

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#2104

On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> quoted:
>
>> If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's
>> BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the
>> past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy
>> BlackBerry 7 platform[4]
>
> I'm greatly saddened. I have a Z10, and I really like it.
>

I'm still a potential customer: looking at the Q10 though: I like the
keyboard.  Did a lot of emailing on my Samsung Note 3 yesterday (during
a long car trip) and the touch keyboarding got annoying, fast.
Something about a good keyboard that still floats my boat (at work I
have the Blackberry Bold 9900 and I really like it: size, weight,
keyboard, all good.  Just wish it had Android apps).

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#2109

On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> quoted:
>>
>>> If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's
>>> BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the
>>> past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy
>>> BlackBerry 7 platform[4]
>>
>> I'm greatly saddened. I have a Z10, and I really like it.
>>
>
> I'm still a potential customer: looking at the Q10 though: I like the
> keyboard.  Did a lot of emailing on my Samsung Note 3 yesterday (during
> a long car trip) and the touch keyboarding got annoying, fast.

FWIW, the predictive text on the Z10 is the first one I've come across that
actually works.

> Something about a good keyboard that still floats my boat (at work I
> have the Blackberry Bold 9900 and I really like it: size, weight,
> keyboard, all good.  

I'm still playing with Bluetooth keyboards for the Z.

> Just wish it had Android apps).

I assume this implies that you realise that BB10 will (in theory) run
Android apps? I say "in theory" because mine, although it has the latest
O/S release, won't.


-- 
Today is Boomtime, the 14th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit
interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected
second-countable space.

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#2112

On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
> I assume this implies that you realise that BB10 will (in theory) run
> Android apps? I say "in theory" because mine, although it has the latest
> O/S release, won't.
>

I do - that's a big selling point for me.  I know of several who have
this running, including the PhoNews newsreader which would give me a
legitimate NNTP client and a real keyboard in my pocket - it's not SLRN,
but it's a hell of lot better than Google Groups and a browser.

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#2124

On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> I assume this implies that you realise that BB10 will (in theory) run
>> Android apps? I say "in theory" because mine, although it has the latest
>> O/S release, won't.
>>
>
> I do - that's a big selling point for me.  I know of several who have
> this running, including the PhoNews newsreader which would give me a
> legitimate NNTP client and a real keyboard in my pocket - it's not SLRN,
> but it's a hell of lot better than Google Groups and a browser.

OK, that's it - I shall be reinstalling my Z10 Real Soon Now, since that's
the third "must have" Android app I've come across.

(The other 2 being the GoPro and Squeezebox controllers.)

-- 
Today is Pungenday, the 15th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit
interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected
second-countable space.

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#2111

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:50:20 +0000 (UTC), RS Wood
<rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

	They throw steaks to Glugle, FaceKook, Orakle, Micro$oft etc.
Why not through a bone to RIM ? All have the same code of ethics.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-08-02/news/33001399_1_blackberry-enterprise-encryption-keys-corporate-emails

	[]'s
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#2118

In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other 
authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the 
included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware 
stack.

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#2125

On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other 
> authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the 
> included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware 
> stack.

Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone
you buy.


-- 
Today is Pungenday, the 15th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit
interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected
second-countable space.

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#2128

On 29 Mar 2014 10:37:25 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

>On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other 
>> authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the 
>> included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware 
>> stack.
>
>Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone
>you buy.

	Ah, the "if rape is inevitable, just bend over and try to
enjoy it" current. Must be a lot of you around.
	[]'s
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#2132

On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said:

> On 29 Mar 2014 10:37:25 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other
>>> authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the
>>> included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware
>>> stack.
>> 
>> Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone
>> you buy.
> 
> 	Ah, the "if rape is inevitable, just bend over and try to
> enjoy it" current. Must be a lot of you around.
> 	[]'s

I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car 
and turned off, is spying on me.

Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue.  
Most people accept that it's for their own good, and even if it isn't 
that it's inevitable.  It's loser talk.

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#2134

On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said:
>
>> On 29 Mar 2014 10:37:25 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other
>>>> authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the
>>>> included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware
>>>> stack.
>>> 
>>> Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone
>>> you buy.
>> 
>> 	Ah, the "if rape is inevitable, just bend over and try to
>> enjoy it" current. Must be a lot of you around.
>> 	[]'s
>
> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car 
> and turned off, is spying on me.

Your MNO knows exactly where you are, has records of all the calls you make
and receive and has access to the audio. What else do you want?

> Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue.  
> Most people accept that it's for their own good, 

I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can.

-- 
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“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
 the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
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#2144

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: 
> Your MNO knows exactly where you are, has records of all the calls you make
> and receive and has access to the audio. What else do you want?

It's far better than a modern smart phone, which can be activated remotely
without the user knowing, in order to collect location data, audio, and
video at any time.  I suspect these capabilities were only developed in the
2006 and later time frame.

Of course, when my phone is active, a whole array of agencies and companies
are likely able to collect data relating to my location and audio in the
immediate vicinity of the phone, but it's nowhere near as intrusive as say,
Google Now.

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#2147

On 2014-03-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can.

The people responsible should be put to death. That's the only way
it is going to stop.

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#2153

On 2014-03-30, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-03-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can.
>
> The people responsible should be put to death. That's the only way
> it is going to stop.

A little extreme, but I agree with the sentiment.


-- 
Today is Setting Orange, the 17th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
 the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
                 automatically and without pity.”

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#2156

On 2014-03-30, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-03-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can.
>
> The people responsible should be put to death. That's the only way
> it is going to stop.
>

Think about it. You have just issued a death threat.

Friend of mine, since dead, stopped by police on his way home.
Policeman: "Where are you coming from, ...Sir?"
Man: "I've been in the pub"
Policeman: "Would you like to reconsider that statement?"


-- 
maus
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  .
...

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#2135

On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car 
> and turned off, is spying on me.
>
> Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue.  
> Most people accept that it's for their own good, and even if it isn't 
> that it's inevitable.  It's loser talk.
>

I'm not sure I'd characterize it as loser talk or defeatism.  Just: at
present, the average consumer finds the convenience or utility of
carrying a pocket spy device - er, a smartphone - outweighs the risk of
it spying, tracking, and recording him.  That's sort of my case too.
But even before smartphones even dumb phones allow authorities one more
way to 'get you.'  The East Germans used to keep typewriter samples from
different typewriters and could occasionally use it to identify from
which typewriter a certain document came from.  Point is just: this
trend goes way back.

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#2151

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:13:19 +0000 (UTC), RS Wood
<rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

>On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car 
>> and turned off, is spying on me.
>>
>> Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue.  
>> Most people accept that it's for their own good, and even if it isn't 
>> that it's inevitable.  It's loser talk.
>>

	It's just gone too far to do anything about it. The NSA has
managed to convince itself that what it is doing is good for the
country, and I just can't imagine one of the directors saying "we were
wrong putting backdoors in everything, our enemies can exploit them as
easily as we can".
	And with the economic crisis that Bush left behind people are
more worried about losing their jobs or houses than about privacy.
When they finally wake up they will have work, but not by choice, and
they will be allocated somewhere to live.
	;)
>
>I'm not sure I'd characterize it as loser talk or defeatism.  Just: at
>present, the average consumer finds the convenience or utility of
>carrying a pocket spy device - er, a smartphone - outweighs the risk of
>it spying, tracking, and recording him.  That's sort of my case too.
>But even before smartphones even dumb phones allow authorities one more
>way to 'get you.'  The East Germans used to keep typewriter samples from
>different typewriters and could occasionally use it to identify from
>which typewriter a certain document came from.  Point is just: this
>trend goes way back.

	Why do you think typewriters are numbered ? East German ? It
was in police forensics for decades. As was taking handwriting
samples. But it was never a mass gathering of data, just the suspects
were sampled. Trivial compared to the police state we live in now.
	All printers print a code when they work. When you activate
your warranty, you get on a nice big database. US, Germany, anywhere
in the world. Anything you print can be traced straight back to you.
	I won't even mention what Motorola did with cell phones "for
your safety". And all brands followed suit after 9/11.
	[]'s
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#2168

Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said:

> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my
> car and turned off, is spying on me.

And, unless you take it out to charge it occasionally, it won't have
any energy to operate when you most need it.

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#2182

On 2014-03-31, Rich <rich@example.com> wrote:
> Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said:
>
>> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my
>> car and turned off, is spying on me.
>
> And, unless you take it out to charge it occasionally, it won't have
> any energy to operate when you most need it.

And if it's on a PAYG tariff in the UK, the SIM will have been disabled
and the MNO stolen your money anyway.


-- 
Today is Setting Orange, the 17th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
 the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
                 automatically and without pity.”

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