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Re: ebooks

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  Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000
    Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 12:11 +0000
      Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 14:43 +0000
        Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-23 16:14 +0000
        Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-03-23 18:09 +0000
          Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:21 +0000
          Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 20:34 +0000
            Re: ebooks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2014-06-13 14:14 -0400
              Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-13 21:44 +0100
              Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-13 16:53 -0400
                Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-06-14 08:37 +0100
                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-14 18:34 -0400
                  Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 10:40 +0000
                    Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:05 +0100
                      Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 11:20 +0000
                        Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:37 +0100
                          Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-06-15 17:48 +0000
                            Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-15 15:59 -0400
                              Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-16 06:30 +1000
                                Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 04:04 -0500
                                  Re: ebooks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-16 11:44 +0000
                                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 10:32 -0400
                                    Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 10:43 -0500
                                      Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 13:13 -0400
                                      Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:45 +1000
                                    Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:36 +1000
                        Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 22:43 +0000
                          Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 23:26 +0000
                            Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-16 22:01 +0100
                Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-15 06:27 +1000
        Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:09 +0000
        Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 01:55 +0000
          Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 10:35 +0000
            Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 13:01 -0400
              Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-24 17:15 +0100
            Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-24 15:07 +0000
              Re: ebooks Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-24 17:13 +0000
                Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 13:07 -0500
                  Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-24 13:28 -0500
                    Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-24 21:48 +0100
                      Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:57 +0000
                    Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 08:14 +1100
                      Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:01 +0000
                        Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:17 +1100
                          Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:44 +0000
                            Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 12:01 +1100
                            Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-26 13:36 +0000
                              Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-26 20:08 +0000
                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-24 14:48 -0400
                    Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 18:13 -0400
                      Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:20 -0400
                  Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-25 05:49 +0000
                    Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-25 07:06 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
                        Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-25 09:40 -0400
                          Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 11:14 +1100
                        Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:42 -0400
                          Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 11:47 -0500
                          Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 19:25 -0400
                            Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 12:19 -0400
                              Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 08:25 -0500
                                Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:01 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-26 20:38 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:19 +1100
                                  Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:58 -0500
                                    Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:28 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 22:03 +0100
                                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:46 -0400
                                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-26 15:01 -0500
                                  Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 20:57 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-27 13:23 +0000
                                      Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:48 +0100
                                  Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 08:26 -0500
                                    Re: ebooks greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-27 14:55 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 10:05 -0500
                                      Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 11:55 -0500
                                        Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 14:25 -0500
                                          Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-27 20:44 +0000
                                          Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 01:38 +0000
                                            Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 22:37 -0500
                                              Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:52 -0400
                                                Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-28 16:07 +1100
                                          Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 10:52 -0500
                                            Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 11:57 -0500
                                              Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 14:41 -0500
                                              Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-28 21:27 +0000
                                                Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 17:02 -0500
                                                Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-28 23:46 -0400
                                              Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-02 01:32 +0000
                                                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-02 14:28 +0000
                                                  Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-07 05:32 +0000
                                                    Re: ebooks "John" <j@j.j> - 2014-04-17 16:36 -0700
                                                Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-04-02 07:31 -0800
                              Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 13:38 +0000
                                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 11:14 -0500
                                  Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:56 -0400
                                    Re: ebooks Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2014-03-27 16:52 +0000
                                      Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:03 -0500
                                      Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:07 -0400
                                      Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 21:44 +0100
                              Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-26 13:51 +0000
                              Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:22 -0800
                                Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:54 -0500
                                Re: ebooks davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2014-03-27 03:41 +0000
                                  Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-27 07:36 -0400
                                    Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-28 03:40 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:59 +0100
                              Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-26 15:38 -0700
                                Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-26 22:09 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 13:55 -0500
                                    Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 02:27 +0000
                                      Re: ebooks cb@bobby.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2014-03-28 10:42 +0000
                                    Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:12 -0400
                                  Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-28 23:17 -0700
                              Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:06 -0400
                          Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:19 -0800
                            Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:50 -0500
                              Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-26 20:00 +0000
                              Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 13:30 -0800
                                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:51 -0500
                            Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-26 13:09 -0600
                            Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 19:23 -0400
                              Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-27 08:12 +1100
                                Re: ebooks despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-03-26 19:24 -0400
                            Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-26 23:40 +0000
                              Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:36 -0400
                                Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-27 14:33 +0000
                                  Re: Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:01 -0500
                            Re: ebooks rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-03-27 03:10 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
                        Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:16 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:32 +0000
                        Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:20 +0000
                          Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:49 -0400
                            Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:58 +0000
                            Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:46 -0400
                          Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:48 -0800
                            Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 21:20 +0000
                    Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 07:31 +1100
                  Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:42 -0400
                Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-24 12:52 -0600
              Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 20:12 -0400
                Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-24 15:54 -0500
                Re: ebooks Rob Myers <rob@robmyers.org> - 2014-03-24 22:19 +0000
              Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-25 07:54 +1100
            Re: ebooks scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-03-24 16:21 +0000
            Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 17:02 +0000
              Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 12:21 -0500
              Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-03-24 19:50 +0000
                Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:48 +0000
                  Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 23:42 +0000
                    Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:07 +0000
                      Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:40 +0000
                        Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 21:57 +0100
                          Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 13:58 +0000
                            Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-28 15:44 +0100
                      Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 11:35 +1100
            Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 07:28 +1100
              Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:31 +0000
                Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:06 +0000
                Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:06 +1100
            Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-24 10:25 -0400
        Re: ebooks Mike Sanders <mike@taco-shack.cow> - 2014-03-24 06:04 +0000
        Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-26 13:17 +0100
    Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-23 19:23 -0400

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#2092

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2014-03-27 23:52 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1403272347250.16623@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#2091
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Osmium wrote:

> "Johny B Good" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:25:40 -0500, "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect the editors are still around but they're either not as
>>>> competent as (or more lax than) expected.  It's mostly stuff like faulty
>>>> parallelism ("I like dogs and to swim") or improper cases ("if I was a
>>>> dog"), but now and then even obvious errors like homophones or
>>>> missing/extra commas will slip through.
>>>
>>> I was trying to figure out if the fuel bladder on a  757 was empty or full
>>> of nitrogen or what.  Turns out there is no bladder, it's fuel in an
>>> aluminum container.  (Which leaves my question unresolved.)  In any event,
>>> _The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>>
>>> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other Boeing
>>> divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making.
>>> The
>>> shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>>> And your guess is that a human read that?  It is almost surely a spell
>>> checker induced error.
>>>
>>> Looks like an interesting - but very long - article.  I wish I had time to
>>> read it. Note that this is part 4 of 8.
>>>
>>> http://seattletimes.com/news/business/757/part04/
>>>
>>
>> I missed the error at first reading and it took a very careful second
>> reading to spot it.
>>
>> It's not absolutely clear how the following arose:-
>>
>> "many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making.".
>>
>> The error might not be the simple addition of 'w' to the end of 'no'.
>>
>> It could simply be due to a 'brain fart' on the author's part who may
>> have intended to write:-
>>
>> "many Auburn workers now have no idea what they're making."
>>
>> which seems the more likely intended wording from the context.
>
> And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
>
> In any event, it is crystal clear to me that a large, metropolitan newspaper
> put out a *major piece*  without proofreading. This is not a last minute
> thing about a small bonfire almost getting out of control
>
There's less oversight as they cut back jobs.

The local paper runs a "what's closed" piece just before every holiday. 
And at some point the shopping rules were changed, so some holidays became 
mandatory.  But come labor day (one of those mandatory holidays), the 
paper ran the usual "what's closed" but it clearly was what had been 
printed in the past, since it said "most grocery stores will be open" when 
that was no longer the case.

I wrote  a letter to the paper that year, no correction, and for the next 
three years after that, I wrote the same basic letter.  Nobody paid 
attention to my letter, nobody noticed the error in the listing, nobody 
said "hey things have changed, we better check this".  Finally after four 
years of this happening, the listing was updated.

And yes, it's not just getting rid of the editors and the fact checkers. 
The writers with the seniority get paid more, so when job cuts need to be 
made (because the paper needs to show  a profit to the conglomerate that 
owns it and other papers), they offer buyouts to the senior writers. Those 
are the ones who have paid attention to a 'beat" for a long time, the ones 
who don't have to remember details but will remember "there was a story 
about that, we better check...".  So even the fact checkers that remain 
may not have been there long enough to remember that something had 
changed.

   Michael

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#2094

From"Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com>
Date2014-03-28 16:07 +1100
Message-ID<bpkeevFeg0kU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#2092

"Michael Black" <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in message 
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1403272347250.16623@darkstar.example.org...
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Osmium wrote:
>
>> "Johny B Good" wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:25:40 -0500, "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I suspect the editors are still around but they're either not as
>>>>> competent as (or more lax than) expected.  It's mostly stuff like 
>>>>> faulty
>>>>> parallelism ("I like dogs and to swim") or improper cases ("if I was a
>>>>> dog"), but now and then even obvious errors like homophones or
>>>>> missing/extra commas will slip through.
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to figure out if the fuel bladder on a  757 was empty or 
>>>> full
>>>> of nitrogen or what.  Turns out there is no bladder, it's fuel in an
>>>> aluminum container.  (Which leaves my question unresolved.)  In any 
>>>> event,
>>>> _The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>>>
>>>> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other Boeing
>>>> divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what they're 
>>>> making.
>>>> The
>>>> shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>>>> And your guess is that a human read that?  It is almost surely a spell
>>>> checker induced error.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like an interesting - but very long - article.  I wish I had time 
>>>> to
>>>> read it. Note that this is part 4 of 8.
>>>>
>>>> http://seattletimes.com/news/business/757/part04/
>>>>
>>>
>>> I missed the error at first reading and it took a very careful second
>>> reading to spot it.
>>>
>>> It's not absolutely clear how the following arose:-
>>>
>>> "many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making.".
>>>
>>> The error might not be the simple addition of 'w' to the end of 'no'.
>>>
>>> It could simply be due to a 'brain fart' on the author's part who may
>>> have intended to write:-
>>>
>>> "many Auburn workers now have no idea what they're making."
>>>
>>> which seems the more likely intended wording from the context.
>>
>> And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
>>
>> In any event, it is crystal clear to me that a large, metropolitan 
>> newspaper
>> put out a *major piece*  without proofreading. This is not a last minute
>> thing about a small bonfire almost getting out of control

> There's less oversight as they cut back jobs.

And it makes sense to cut back the proof reading before
cutting back on those who do produce the text people
read when you have to cut back because the revenue
has dropped and you will go bust if you don't.

> The local paper runs a "what's closed" piece just before every holiday. 
> And at some point the shopping rules were changed, so some holidays became 
> mandatory.  But come labor day (one of those mandatory holidays), the 
> paper ran the usual "what's closed" but it clearly was what had been 
> printed in the past, since it said "most grocery stores will be open" when 
> that was no longer the case.
>
> I wrote  a letter to the paper that year, no correction, and for the next 
> three years after that, I wrote the same basic letter.  Nobody paid 
> attention to my letter, nobody noticed the error in the listing, nobody 
> said "hey things have changed, we better check this".  Finally after four 
> years of this happening, the listing was updated.
>
> And yes, it's not just getting rid of the editors and the fact checkers. 
> The writers with the seniority get paid more, so when job cuts need to be 
> made (because the paper needs to show  a profit to the conglomerate that 
> owns it and other papers), they offer buyouts to the senior writers. Those 
> are the ones who have paid attention to a 'beat" for a long time, the ones 
> who don't have to remember details but will remember "there was a story 
> about that, we better check...".  So even the fact checkers that remain 
> may not have been there long enough to remember that something had 
> changed.
>
>   Michael 

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#2110

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2014-03-28 10:52 -0500
Message-ID<lh45s2$t6f$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2082
On 27-Mar-14 14:25, Osmium wrote:
> In any event, _The Seattle Times_ had this:
> 
> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other
> Boeing divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what
> they're making. The shapes they create often seem almost abstract. " 
> And your guess is that a human read that?  It is almost surely a
> spell checker induced error.

I've seen people make that mistake (or "know") as a typo; I agree that
an editor should have corrected it, but nobody's perfect.  My concern is
with the overall rate of errors, not individual instances.

Based on what I see in my peers' writing, including folks who write
professionally and/or have English degrees, that article was probably
far worse before an editor got ahold of it, and that one just slipped
through.

(Interestingly, my spell-checker doesn't like "ahold", but several
sources agree it's acceptable, at least in informal writing.)

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#2113

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2014-03-28 11:57 -0500
Message-ID<bplnvqFn00dU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#2110
"Stephen Sprunk" wrote:

> On 27-Mar-14 14:25, Osmium wrote:
>> In any event, _The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>
>> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other
>> Boeing divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what
>> they're making. The shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>> And your guess is that a human read that?  It is almost surely a
>> spell checker induced error.
>
> I've seen people make that mistake [elided] as a typo;

Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard and 
where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.
How could anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable explanation 
I can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which would 
allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this mistake.

It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell checker 
refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the author accepted 
it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it too.  Totally unrelated 
words - but real words - stuck in text, seemingly at random.  That's why, in 
an earlier post,  I proposed spell checkers provide a list of the changes 
they made, kind of like an audit trail.

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#2114

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2014-03-28 14:41 -0500
Message-ID<lh4j9b$ah2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2113
On 28-Mar-14 11:57, Osmium wrote:
> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>> On 27-Mar-14 14:25, Osmium wrote:
>>> In any event, _The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>> 
>>> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other 
>>> Boeing divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what 
>>> they're making. The shapes they create often seem almost
>>> abstract. " And your guess is that a human read that?  It is
>>> almost surely a spell checker induced error.
>> 
>> I've seen people make that mistake [elided] as a typo;
> 
> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard
> and where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.

But "know" is a homophone, and "now" is halfway between "no" and "know",
so I can see how that particular example might happen.

> How could anyone possibly make that error?  ...
> 
> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell
> checker refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the
> author accepted it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it
> too.

I can't recall having ever manually selected the wrong suggestion.  Much
more common for me is that my word processor (or phone) will
auto-correct to the wrong word without me noticing; my email editor
doesn't do that.  Also common is telling my fingers to type one word yet
the word that appears on the screen is a different (but correctly
spelled) word, usually starting with the same few letters.

> Totally unrelated words - but real words - stuck in text,
> seemingly at random.

I do that occasionally; it's typically the result of (re)moving the
wrong word(s) when revising what I wrote.  While "in the zone", I will
see what I intended to write/edit rather than what is actually there,
but when I come back to the same text later, such an error is obvious.

> That's why, in an earlier post,  I proposed spell checkers provide a
> list of the changes they made, kind of like an audit trail.

The problem with such features is that the only people who will use it
are the ones who don't need to.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#2115

FromWhiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com>
Date2014-03-28 21:27 +0000
Message-ID<slrnljbq9f.mb.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
In reply to#2113
On 2014-03-28, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>
>> On 27-Mar-14 14:25, Osmium wrote:
>>> In any event, _The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>>
>>> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other
>>> Boeing divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what
>>> they're making. The shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>>> And your guess is that a human read that?  It is almost surely a
>>> spell checker induced error.
>>
>> I've seen people make that mistake [elided] as a typo;
>
> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard
> and where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.  How could
> anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable explanation I
> can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which would
> allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this
> mistake.
>
> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell
> checker refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the
> author accepted it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it
> too.  Totally unrelated words - but real words - stuck in text,
> seemingly at random.  That's why, in an earlier post,  I proposed
> spell checkers provide a list of the changes they made, kind of like
> an audit trail.

Can your text editor or word processor be set so as not to auto-correct
possible spelling mistakes?  The decision should always be made by the
writer, not the machine.

-- 
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
--  Whiskers 
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

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#2116

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2014-03-28 17:02 -0500
Message-ID<bpm9rrFqop1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#2115
"Whiskers" wrote:

> On 2014-03-28, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>
>>> On 27-Mar-14 14:25, Osmium wrote:
>>>> In any event, _The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>>>
>>>> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other
>>>> Boeing divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what
>>>> they're making. The shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>>>> And your guess is that a human read that?  It is almost surely a
>>>> spell checker induced error.
>>>
>>> I've seen people make that mistake [elided] as a typo;
>>
>> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard
>> and where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.  How could
>> anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable explanation I
>> can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which would
>> allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this
>> mistake.
>>
>> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell
>> checker refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the
>> author accepted it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it
>> too.  Totally unrelated words - but real words - stuck in text,
>> seemingly at random.  That's why, in an earlier post,  I proposed
>> spell checkers provide a list of the changes they made, kind of like
>> an audit trail.
>
> Can your text editor or word processor be set so as not to auto-correct
> possible spelling mistakes?  The decision should always be made by the
> writer, not the machine.

Yes and I use manual correct only. I try to do many things (including 
typing) faster than I can. Some people, mostly women,  think they are 
princess Anastasia.  One of my problems is I am not as fast as I think I am. 
My default mode is "Let's get this over with".  A post mortem list would 
allow me to see what damn fool mistakes I have made.  This is not a logical 
problem, it is a psychological problem.

This link describing a Type A personality describes me pretty darn well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83AwKedowDU&feature=player_detailpage 

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#2117

FromPeter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com>
Date2014-03-28 23:46 -0400
Message-ID<lh51k0$nad$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2115
On 03/28/2014 05:27 PM, Whiskers wrote:
> On 2014-03-28, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>
>>> On 27-Mar-14 14:25, Osmium wrote:
>>>> In any event, _The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>>>
>>>> "Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other
>>>> Boeing divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what
>>>> they're making. The shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>>>> And your guess is that a human read that?  It is almost surely a
>>>> spell checker induced error.
>>>
>>> I've seen people make that mistake [elided] as a typo;
>>
>> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard
>> and where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.  How could
>> anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable explanation I
>> can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which would
>> allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this
>> mistake.
>>
>> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell
>> checker refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the
>> author accepted it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it
>> too.  Totally unrelated words - but real words - stuck in text,
>> seemingly at random.  That's why, in an earlier post,  I proposed
>> spell checkers provide a list of the changes they made, kind of like
>> an audit trail.
>
> Can your text editor or word processor be set so as not to auto-correct
> possible spelling mistakes?  The decision should always be made by the
> writer, not the machine.
>

I usually do this if I'm typing something longer than a paragraph.  When 
I'm done I run spellcheck on the whole thing and decide whether to 
accept its suggestions or not.

Aside - I now read news on my laptop, actually sitting on my lap. 
Besides not being able to see the keys too well at this angle it offers 
the convenience of key bounce, so I ocaassionally get some doubled letters.
-- 
Pete

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#2200

FromPhilip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz>
Date2014-04-02 01:32 +0000
Message-ID<slrnljmq6i.2oe.philip@aphrodite-3.local>
In reply to#2113
On 2014-03-28, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard and 
> where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.
> How could anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable explanation 
> I can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which would 
> allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this mistake.
>
> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell checker 
> refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the author accepted 
> it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it too.  Totally unrelated 
> words - but real words - stuck in text, seemingly at random.  That's why, in 
> an earlier post,  I proposed spell checkers provide a list of the changes 
> they made, kind of like an audit trail.

Another useful feature would be context-aware spell-checking. Using
the surrounding words, the computer can guess the most likely words
there, based on the same databases used for translation, speech
recognition, and spam generation, reducing the chance that it will
reccomend the wrong one. Looking at neighbouring misspelt words would
also help: it is quite irritating when a transposed space gets
"corrected" into two wrong words, especially when those words are much
further from the erroneous text.

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#2211

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2014-04-02 14:28 +0000
Message-ID<slrnljo7k2.b7e.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to#2200
In message <slrnljmq6i.2oe.philip@aphrodite-3.local> 
  Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
> On 2014-03-28, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard and 
>> where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.
>> How could anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable explanation 
>> I can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which would 
>> allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this mistake.
>>
>> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell checker 
>> refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the author accepted 
>> it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it too.  Totally unrelated 
>> words - but real words - stuck in text, seemingly at random.  That's why, in 
>> an earlier post,  I proposed spell checkers provide a list of the changes 
>> they made, kind of like an audit trail.

> Another useful feature would be context-aware spell-checking. Using
> the surrounding words, the computer can guess the most likely words
> there, based on the same databases used for translation, speech
> recognition, and spam generation, reducing the chance that it will
> reccomend the wrong one. Looking at neighbouring misspelt words would
> also help: it is quite irritating when a transposed space gets
> "corrected" into two wrong words, especially when those words are much
> further from the erroneous text.

The iPhone already does this, and will often 'go back' and correct and
its to it's or a were to we're several words later. Kind of cool, but
also annoying when it gets it wrong.



-- 
Nothing like grilling a kosher dog over human hair to bring out the
subtle flavors.

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#2302

FromPhilip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz>
Date2014-04-07 05:32 +0000
Message-ID<slrnlk4e3r.mp4.philip@aphrodite-3.local>
In reply to#2211
On 2014-04-02, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <slrnljmq6i.2oe.philip@aphrodite-3.local> 
>   Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
>> On 2014-03-28, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard and 
>>> where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.
>>> How could anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable explanation 
>>> I can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which would 
>>> allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this mistake.
>>>
>>> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell checker 
>>> refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the author accepted 
>>> it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it too.  Totally unrelated 
>>> words - but real words - stuck in text, seemingly at random.  That's why, in 
>>> an earlier post,  I proposed spell checkers provide a list of the changes 
>>> they made, kind of like an audit trail.
>
>> Another useful feature would be context-aware spell-checking. Using
>> the surrounding words, the computer can guess the most likely words
>> there, based on the same databases used for translation, speech
>> recognition, and spam generation, reducing the chance that it will
>> reccomend the wrong one. Looking at neighbouring misspelt words would
>> also help: it is quite irritating when a transposed space gets
>> "corrected" into two wrong words, especially when those words are much
>> further from the erroneous text.
>
> The iPhone already does this, and will often 'go back' and correct and
> its to it's or a were to we're several words later. Kind of cool, but
> also annoying when it gets it wrong.

On OS X, the auto-correct will sometimes delay correcting words for a
little while, but it doesn't seem to apply any more intelligence to
how it corrects them when it does so. (More annoyingly, it also moves
the cursor momentarily whenever it auto-corrects a word, so if you're
dead unlucky, it introduces an extra spelling mistake for you,
although it takes a real fluke to do it unless you're short of
memory.)

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#2418

From"John" <j@j.j>
Date2014-04-17 16:36 -0700
Message-ID<lipof5$bum$1@jefelex.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#2302
"Philip Shaw" <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> wrote in message 
news:slrnlk4e3r.mp4.philip@aphrodite-3.local...
> On 2014-04-02, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <slrnljmq6i.2oe.philip@aphrodite-3.local>
>>   Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
>>> On 2014-03-28, Osmium <r124c4u102@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Really?  The desired sequence is 'o' space 'i'.  Look at a keyboard and
>>>> where the 'w' is.  no and now are not homophones.
>>>> How could anyone possibly make that error?  The only conceivable 
>>>> explanation
>>>> I can see would be an obscure alternate keyboard arrangement which 
>>>> would
>>>> allow a fat finger mistake, a Dvorak keyboard doesn't allow this 
>>>> mistake.
>>>>
>>>> It seems obvious to me, he typed no with a fat finger.  The spell 
>>>> checker
>>>> refused that word and offered now as an alternate and the author 
>>>> accepted
>>>> it.  I do it all the time and see other people do it too.  Totally 
>>>> unrelated
>>>> words - but real words - stuck in text, seemingly at random.  That's 
>>>> why, in
>>>> an earlier post,  I proposed spell checkers provide a list of the 
>>>> changes
>>>> they made, kind of like an audit trail.
>>
>>> Another useful feature would be context-aware spell-checking. Using
>>> the surrounding words, the computer can guess the most likely words
>>> there, based on the same databases used for translation, speech
>>> recognition, and spam generation, reducing the chance that it will
>>> reccomend the wrong one. Looking at neighbouring misspelt words would
>>> also help: it is quite irritating when a transposed space gets
>>> "corrected" into two wrong words, especially when those words are much
>>> further from the erroneous text.
>>
>> The iPhone already does this, and will often 'go back' and correct and
>> its to it's or a were to we're several words later. Kind of cool, but
>> also annoying when it gets it wrong.
>
> On OS X, the auto-correct will sometimes delay correcting words for a
> little while, but it doesn't seem to apply any more intelligence to
> how it corrects them when it does so. (More annoyingly, it also moves
> the cursor momentarily whenever it auto-corrects a word, so if you're
> dead unlucky, it introduces an extra spelling mistake for you,
> although it takes a real fluke to do it unless you're short of
> memory.)

I prefer not to use a spell checker - I like to try to spell the words 
correctly the first time.  although there are times when I write an 
important document, I'll use one in those cases.  (just to be sure the 
spellchecker doesn't make mistakes!! ;) 

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#2212

From"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Date2014-04-02 07:31 -0800
Message-ID<904.240T25T4513382@kltpzyxm.invalid>
In reply to#2200
In article <slrnljmq6i.2oe.philip@aphrodite-3.local>,
jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz (Philip Shaw) writes:

> Another useful feature would be context-aware spell-checking. Using
> the surrounding words, the computer can guess the most likely words
> there, based on the same databases used for translation, speech
> recognition, and spam generation, reducing the chance that it will
> reccomend the wrong one. Looking at neighbouring misspelt words would
> also help: it is quite irritating when a transposed space gets
> "corrected" into two wrong words, especially when those words are
> much further from the erroneous text.

My cow orkers would appreciate this.

-- 
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#2017

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2014-03-26 13:38 +0000
Message-ID<HLAYu.43950$1r1.9851@fx07.iad>
In reply to#2013
Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
>On 03/25/2014 07:25 PM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>> In <lgs85i$n8f$2@dont-email.me>, on 03/25/2014
>>     at 03:42 PM, Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>> Punctuation and spelling are still important.  An otherwise good
>>> book is diminished by mis-spellings that spellcheckers can't
>>> catch - reign vs. rein vs. rain, for example.
>>
>> Sure, and in some alternate universe where the publishers' editors
>> catch those errors, I'd be all for it.
>>
>
>I occasionally find such errors in professionally published stuff, but 
>it's rare - finding one in a book is unusual, although errors are 
>getting more common.  Self-published stuff seems to have a factor of ten 
>or more errors.

I dunno - I read a popular fiction novel a while back; Harper imprint.

In several places the heroine applied the breaks to slow her car, and
she was wont to say "fire in the hold" rather than "fire in the hole".

I would have expected a good editor to correct both of these, particularly
in the paperback.

scott

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#2024

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2014-03-26 11:14 -0500
Message-ID<lguud6$jv7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2017
On 26-Mar-14 08:38, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
>> I occasionally find such errors in professionally published stuff, but 
>> it's rare - finding one in a book is unusual, although errors are 
>> getting more common.  Self-published stuff seems to have a factor of ten 
>> or more errors.
> 
> I dunno - I read a popular fiction novel a while back; Harper imprint.
> 
> In several places the heroine applied the breaks to slow her car, and
> she was wont to say "fire in the hold" rather than "fire in the hole".
> 
> I would have expected a good editor to correct both of these, particularly
> in the paperback.

A such few minor errors are probably inevitable in the first printing
(usually hardback), but in later printings (usually paperback, which is
my preference anyway) it's inexcusable for professionally-edited works.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#2054

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2014-03-27 00:56 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1403270055270.14705@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#2024
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

> On 26-Mar-14 08:38, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> writes:
>>> I occasionally find such errors in professionally published stuff, but
>>> it's rare - finding one in a book is unusual, although errors are
>>> getting more common.  Self-published stuff seems to have a factor of ten
>>> or more errors.
>>
>> I dunno - I read a popular fiction novel a while back; Harper imprint.
>>
>> In several places the heroine applied the breaks to slow her car, and
>> she was wont to say "fire in the hold" rather than "fire in the hole".
>>
>> I would have expected a good editor to correct both of these, particularly
>> in the paperback.
>
> A such few minor errors are probably inevitable in the first printing
> (usually hardback), but in later printings (usually paperback, which is
> my preference anyway) it's inexcusable for professionally-edited works.
>
I often don't notice errors in books, yet sometimes I've gotten used books 
where someone has decided to do that editing.  Sometimes it makes sense, 
sometimes someone just thinks they can write better.  Either way, it 
really is distracting, more than any original errors, seeing the 
scribblings in the books or magazines.  I figure someone had to be quite 
compulsive.

   Michael

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#2075

FromClark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org>
Date2014-03-27 16:52 +0000
Message-ID<XnsA2FD648AAEF94clarkmgmolcubcmca@78.46.70.116>
In reply to#2054
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1403270055270.14705@darkstar.example.org: 

> I often don't notice errors in books, yet sometimes I've gotten used
> books where someone has decided to do that editing.  Sometimes it
> makes sense, sometimes someone just thinks they can write better. 
> Either way, it really is distracting, more than any original errors,
> seeing the scribblings in the books or magazines.  I figure someone
> had to be quite compulsive.
> 
>    Michael

When my father-in-law read the newspaper, he would underline in red pen 
parts of news articles and write his own commentary next to it. I found the 
paper more entertaining to read with his additions.

-- 
Clark G
* take away the em's to reply  

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#2081

From"Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com>
Date2014-03-27 14:03 -0500
Message-ID<lh1sls$2jg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#2075
"Clark G" <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> wrote in message 
news:XnsA2FD648AAEF94clarkmgmolcubcmca@78.46.70.116...
> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in
> news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1403270055270.14705@darkstar.example.org:
>
>> I often don't notice errors in books, yet sometimes I've gotten used
>> books where someone has decided to do that editing.  Sometimes it
>> makes sense, sometimes someone just thinks they can write better.
>> Either way, it really is distracting, more than any original errors,
>> seeing the scribblings in the books or magazines.  I figure someone
>> had to be quite compulsive.
>>
>>    Michael
>
> When my father-in-law read the newspaper, he would underline in red pen
> parts of news articles and write his own commentary next to it. I found 
> the
> paper more entertaining to read with his additions.
>
>

So you read "the Yakety-Yak Daily News with father-in-law commentary".   :-) 
Commentary was kind of an ancient form of hypertext!

--

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#2089

FromMichael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Date2014-03-27 23:07 -0400
Message-ID<alpine.LNX.2.02.1403272306430.16623@darkstar.example.org>
In reply to#2075
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Clark G wrote:

> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in
> news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1403270055270.14705@darkstar.example.org:
>
>> I often don't notice errors in books, yet sometimes I've gotten used
>> books where someone has decided to do that editing.  Sometimes it
>> makes sense, sometimes someone just thinks they can write better.
>> Either way, it really is distracting, more than any original errors,
>> seeing the scribblings in the books or magazines.  I figure someone
>> had to be quite compulsive.
>>
>>    Michael
>
> When my father-in-law read the newspaper, he would underline in red pen
> parts of news articles and write his own commentary next to it. I found the
> paper more entertaining to read with his additions.
>
Adding commentary is different.

But I think I merely dislike reading things that other people have marked 
up.

   Michael

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#2093

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2014-03-27 21:44 +0100
Message-ID<q6fe0b-clm1.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#2075
On 2014-03-27, Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> wrote:
>
> When my father-in-law read the newspaper, he would underline in red pen 
> parts of news articles and write his own commentary next to it. I found the 
> paper more entertaining to read with his additions.

A favourite of mine was discovered by a neighbour in a second hand Ian Fleming
paperback.  It went something like this.

"As Bond opened his cigarette case his teeth glinted in the sunlight".

Some wit had added in the margin, "Bond usually kept his teeth in his
cigarette case".

-- 
Paul Sture

"In that case," said Napoleon, "let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy
is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him."

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