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| Started by | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| First post | 2014-03-28 08:50 +0000 |
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US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-28 08:50 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-28 09:30 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-28 11:28 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-28 15:14 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-28 16:18 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-29 10:36 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-28 13:03 -0300
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-28 18:50 -0700
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-29 10:37 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-29 16:44 -0300
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-29 16:41 -0700
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-30 10:57 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-03-30 21:18 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2014-03-30 22:40 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-31 08:38 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-31 09:54 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-30 14:13 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2014-03-31 01:33 -0300
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-31 16:20 +0000
Re: US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-31 19:54 +0000
| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 08:50 +0000 |
| Subject | US Dept of Defense throws Blackberry a bone |
| Message-ID | <lh3d4c$rtt$1@solani.org> |
From the «they could use one» department: Title: U.S. Department of Defense throws BlackBerry 10 a welcome lifeline Author: Brad Reed Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:46:56 -0400 Link: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~3/Gao4HdvDi20/ Podcast Download URL: http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/5336a674178087fe17311cb340af70be?s=96&d=identicon&r=G [image 2][1] If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy BlackBerry 7 platform[4]. BlackBerry did announce some good news on Thursday, however, when it revealed that BlackBerry 10 had received the Full Operational Capability certification from the United States Department of Defense. BlackBerry 10 is the only mobile platform to receive FOC so far and the company says that the certification will allow "government employees to realize the full security, productivity, communication and collaboration benefits of the BlackBerry 10 solution." The company's full press release follows below. Continue reading...[1] [image 5] Links: [1]: http://bgr.com/2014/03/27/blackberry-10-dod-certification/ (link) [2]: http://c2.bgr.com/2013/05/screen-shot-2013-05-14-at-9-34-03-am.png?w=610 (image) [3]: http://bgr.com/tag/blackberry-10 (link) [4]: http://bgr.com/2013/12/20/blackberry-earnings-q3-2014/ (link) [5]: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheBoyGeniusReport/~4/Gao4HdvDi20 (image)
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 09:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bpktosFgmloU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2100 |
On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> quoted: > If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's > BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the > past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy > BlackBerry 7 platform[4] I'm greatly saddened. I have a Z10, and I really like it. -- Today is Boomtime, the 14th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected second-countable space.
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 11:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lh3mdd$rfs$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #2102 |
On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> quoted: > >> If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's >> BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the >> past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy >> BlackBerry 7 platform[4] > > I'm greatly saddened. I have a Z10, and I really like it. > I'm still a potential customer: looking at the Q10 though: I like the keyboard. Did a lot of emailing on my Samsung Note 3 yesterday (during a long car trip) and the touch keyboarding got annoying, fast. Something about a good keyboard that still floats my boat (at work I have the Blackberry Bold 9900 and I really like it: size, weight, keyboard, all good. Just wish it had Android apps).
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 15:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bplhv4Fksg6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2104 |
On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> quoted: >> >>> If there's one mobile platform that needs a lifeline these days, it's >>> BlackBerry 10[3]. BlackBerry's hardware sales have been in free fall over the >>> past year and most of the devices it has sold have been based on its legacy >>> BlackBerry 7 platform[4] >> >> I'm greatly saddened. I have a Z10, and I really like it. >> > > I'm still a potential customer: looking at the Q10 though: I like the > keyboard. Did a lot of emailing on my Samsung Note 3 yesterday (during > a long car trip) and the touch keyboarding got annoying, fast. FWIW, the predictive text on the Z10 is the first one I've come across that actually works. > Something about a good keyboard that still floats my boat (at work I > have the Blackberry Bold 9900 and I really like it: size, weight, > keyboard, all good. I'm still playing with Bluetooth keyboards for the Z. > Just wish it had Android apps). I assume this implies that you realise that BB10 will (in theory) run Android apps? I say "in theory" because mine, although it has the latest O/S release, won't. -- Today is Boomtime, the 14th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected second-countable space.
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 16:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lh47c3$pal$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #2109 |
On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > > I assume this implies that you realise that BB10 will (in theory) run > Android apps? I say "in theory" because mine, although it has the latest > O/S release, won't. > I do - that's a big selling point for me. I know of several who have this running, including the PhoNews newsreader which would give me a legitimate NNTP client and a real keyboard in my pocket - it's not SLRN, but it's a hell of lot better than Google Groups and a browser.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-29 10:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bpnm1fF4igjU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2112 |
On 2014-03-28, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On 2014-03-28, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> >> I assume this implies that you realise that BB10 will (in theory) run >> Android apps? I say "in theory" because mine, although it has the latest >> O/S release, won't. >> > > I do - that's a big selling point for me. I know of several who have > this running, including the PhoNews newsreader which would give me a > legitimate NNTP client and a real keyboard in my pocket - it's not SLRN, > but it's a hell of lot better than Google Groups and a browser. OK, that's it - I shall be reinstalling my Z10 Real Soon Now, since that's the third "must have" Android app I've come across. (The other 2 being the GoPro and Squeezebox controllers.) -- Today is Pungenday, the 15th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected second-countable space.
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 13:03 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <357bj9hrpqrpqpiq7ntlon8nl461ot9nda@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2100 |
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:50:20 +0000 (UTC), RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: They throw steaks to Glugle, FaceKook, Orakle, Micro$oft etc. Why not through a bone to RIM ? All have the same code of ethics. http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-08-02/news/33001399_1_blackberry-enterprise-encryption-keys-corporate-emails []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 18:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lh58te$1ra$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2100 |
In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware stack.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-29 10:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bpnm35F4igjU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2118 |
On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other > authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the > included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware > stack. Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone you buy. -- Today is Pungenday, the 15th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180 A non-empty Hausdorff topological space is a continuous image of the unit interval if and only if it is a compact, connected, locally connected second-countable space.
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2014-03-29 16:44 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <3i8ej9ha1rf8g2dtfn6hvj9vlbg8f4s6ej@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2125 |
On 29 Mar 2014 10:37:25 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: >> In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other >> authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the >> included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware >> stack. > >Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone >you buy. Ah, the "if rape is inevitable, just bend over and try to enjoy it" current. Must be a lot of you around. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-29 16:41 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lh7lme$htc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2128 |
On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said: > On 29 Mar 2014 10:37:25 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > >> On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other >>> authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the >>> included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware >>> stack. >> >> Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone >> you buy. > > Ah, the "if rape is inevitable, just bend over and try to > enjoy it" current. Must be a lot of you around. > []'s I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car and turned off, is spying on me. Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue. Most people accept that it's for their own good, and even if it isn't that it's inevitable. It's loser talk.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-30 10:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bpqbkeFlr9oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2132 |
On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said:
>
>> On 29 Mar 2014 10:37:25 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> In other words, as far as the DoD can tell, only the DoD and other
>>>> authorized USA and Five Eyes agencies have the ability to access the
>>>> included backdoors mandated in the Blackberry OS and / or hardware
>>>> stack.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant, really, since you're getting spied on no matter whose phone
>>> you buy.
>>
>> Ah, the "if rape is inevitable, just bend over and try to
>> enjoy it" current. Must be a lot of you around.
>> []'s
>
> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car
> and turned off, is spying on me.
Your MNO knows exactly where you are, has records of all the calls you make
and receive and has access to the audio. What else do you want?
> Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue.
> Most people accept that it's for their own good,
I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can.
--
Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 16th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
automatically and without pity.”
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| From | Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-30 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <895151566417906913.719766bob_davis_retired-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #2134 |
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > Your MNO knows exactly where you are, has records of all the calls you make > and receive and has access to the audio. What else do you want? It's far better than a modern smart phone, which can be activated remotely without the user knowing, in order to collect location data, audio, and video at any time. I suspect these capabilities were only developed in the 2006 and later time frame. Of course, when my phone is active, a whole array of agencies and companies are likely able to collect data relating to my location and audio in the immediate vicinity of the phone, but it's nowhere near as intrusive as say, Google Now.
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| From | Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-30 22:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140330183944@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #2134 |
On 2014-03-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: > I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can. The people responsible should be put to death. That's the only way it is going to stop. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-31 08:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bpsnsrF5fkqU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2147 |
On 2014-03-30, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2014-03-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can.
>
> The people responsible should be put to death. That's the only way
> it is going to stop.
A little extreme, but I agree with the sentiment.
--
Today is Setting Orange, the 17th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
automatically and without pity.”
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| From | greymausg <maus@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-31 09:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnljicic.3n0.maus@gmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #2147 |
On 2014-03-30, Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote: > On 2014-03-30, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote: >> I don't. Generally speaking they do it because they can. > > The people responsible should be put to death. That's the only way > it is going to stop. > Think about it. You have just issued a death threat. Friend of mine, since dead, stopped by police on his way home. Policeman: "Where are you coming from, ...Sir?" Man: "I've been in the pub" Policeman: "Would you like to reconsider that statement?" -- maus . . ...
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-30 14:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lh98pv$cnv$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #2132 |
On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car > and turned off, is spying on me. > > Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue. > Most people accept that it's for their own good, and even if it isn't > that it's inevitable. It's loser talk. > I'm not sure I'd characterize it as loser talk or defeatism. Just: at present, the average consumer finds the convenience or utility of carrying a pocket spy device - er, a smartphone - outweighs the risk of it spying, tracking, and recording him. That's sort of my case too. But even before smartphones even dumb phones allow authorities one more way to 'get you.' The East Germans used to keep typewriter samples from different typewriters and could occasionally use it to identify from which typewriter a certain document came from. Point is just: this trend goes way back.
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| From | Shadow <Sh@dow.br> |
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| Date | 2014-03-31 01:33 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <opqhj9hgfvb9k6d17j8hcrf4aiuecbm8vd@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2135 |
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 14:13:19 +0000 (UTC), RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: >On 2014-03-29, Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: >> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my car >> and turned off, is spying on me. >> >> Anyway Shadow, you point out the reason that the spying will continue. >> Most people accept that it's for their own good, and even if it isn't >> that it's inevitable. It's loser talk. >> It's just gone too far to do anything about it. The NSA has managed to convince itself that what it is doing is good for the country, and I just can't imagine one of the directors saying "we were wrong putting backdoors in everything, our enemies can exploit them as easily as we can". And with the economic crisis that Bush left behind people are more worried about losing their jobs or houses than about privacy. When they finally wake up they will have work, but not by choice, and they will be allocated somewhere to live. ;) > >I'm not sure I'd characterize it as loser talk or defeatism. Just: at >present, the average consumer finds the convenience or utility of >carrying a pocket spy device - er, a smartphone - outweighs the risk of >it spying, tracking, and recording him. That's sort of my case too. >But even before smartphones even dumb phones allow authorities one more >way to 'get you.' The East Germans used to keep typewriter samples from >different typewriters and could occasionally use it to identify from >which typewriter a certain document came from. Point is just: this >trend goes way back. Why do you think typewriters are numbered ? East German ? It was in police forensics for decades. As was taking handwriting samples. But it was never a mass gathering of data, just the suspects were sampled. Trivial compared to the police state we live in now. All printers print a code when they work. When you activate your warranty, you get on a nice big database. US, Germany, anywhere in the world. Anything you print can be traced straight back to you. I won't even mention what Motorola did with cell phones "for your safety". And all brands followed suit after 9/11. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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| From | Rich <rich@example.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-31 16:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <533995c4$0$17142$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #2132 |
Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said: > I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my > car and turned off, is spying on me. And, unless you take it out to charge it occasionally, it won't have any energy to operate when you most need it.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-31 19:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bptvf7Ffc1mU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2168 |
On 2014-03-31, Rich <rich@example.com> wrote:
> Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-03-29 19:44:36 +0000, Shadow said:
>
>> I doubt my ancient flip phone, which is kept in the glove box of my
>> car and turned off, is spying on me.
>
> And, unless you take it out to charge it occasionally, it won't have
> any energy to operate when you most need it.
And if it's on a PAYG tariff in the UK, the SIM will have been disabled
and the MNO stolen your money anyway.
--
Today is Setting Orange, the 17th day of Discord in the YOLD 3180
“Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime;
the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out
automatically and without pity.”
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