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| First post | 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000 |
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Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-23 12:06 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 12:11 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 14:43 +0000
Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-23 16:14 +0000
Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-03-23 18:09 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:21 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-23 20:34 +0000
Re: ebooks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2014-06-13 14:14 -0400
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-13 21:44 +0100
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-13 16:53 -0400
Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-06-14 08:37 +0100
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-14 18:34 -0400
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 10:40 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:05 +0100
Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 11:20 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-15 12:37 +0100
Re: ebooks root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2014-06-15 17:48 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-15 15:59 -0400
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-16 06:30 +1000
Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 04:04 -0500
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-16 11:44 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 10:32 -0400
Re: ebooks Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> - 2014-06-16 10:43 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-06-16 13:13 -0400
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:45 +1000
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-17 06:36 +1000
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-15 22:43 +0000
Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-06-15 23:26 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-06-16 22:01 +0100
Re: ebooks "Oeter Johns" <oj19854@nospam.com> - 2014-06-15 06:27 +1000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-23 19:09 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 01:55 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 10:35 +0000
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 13:01 -0400
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-24 17:15 +0100
Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-24 15:07 +0000
Re: ebooks Rich <rich@example.com> - 2014-03-24 17:13 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 13:07 -0500
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-24 13:28 -0500
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-24 21:48 +0100
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:57 +0000
Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 08:14 +1100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:01 +0000
Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:17 +1100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:44 +0000
Re: ebooks "Lanto J." <lantoj78@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 12:01 +1100
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-26 13:36 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-26 20:08 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-24 14:48 -0400
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 18:13 -0400
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:20 -0400
Re: ebooks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2014-03-25 05:49 +0000
Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-25 07:06 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-25 09:40 -0400
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 11:14 +1100
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:42 -0400
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 11:47 -0500
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 19:25 -0400
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 12:19 -0400
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 08:25 -0500
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:01 -0400
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-26 20:38 +0000
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-27 08:19 +1100
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:58 -0500
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:28 -0400
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 22:03 +0100
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:46 -0400
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-26 15:01 -0500
Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 20:57 +0000
Re: ebooks "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2014-03-27 13:23 +0000
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:48 +0100
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 08:26 -0500
Re: ebooks greymausg <maus@mail.com> - 2014-03-27 14:55 +0000
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 10:05 -0500
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-27 11:55 -0500
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 14:25 -0500
Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-27 20:44 +0000
Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 01:38 +0000
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-27 22:37 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:52 -0400
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-28 16:07 +1100
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 10:52 -0500
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 11:57 -0500
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-28 14:41 -0500
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-28 21:27 +0000
Re: ebooks "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2014-03-28 17:02 -0500
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-28 23:46 -0400
Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-02 01:32 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-04-02 14:28 +0000
Re: ebooks Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-04-07 05:32 +0000
Re: ebooks "John" <j@j.j> - 2014-04-17 16:36 -0700
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-04-02 07:31 -0800
Re: ebooks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-03-26 13:38 +0000
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 11:14 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 00:56 -0400
Re: ebooks Clark G <clarkm.geimsler@ieeemmm.org> - 2014-03-27 16:52 +0000
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:03 -0500
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:07 -0400
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 21:44 +0100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-26 13:51 +0000
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:22 -0800
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:54 -0500
Re: ebooks davidmylastname@acm.org (David Griffith) - 2014-03-27 03:41 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-03-27 07:36 -0400
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-28 03:40 -0400
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-27 17:59 +0100
Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-26 15:38 -0700
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-26 22:09 -0400
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 13:55 -0500
Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-28 02:27 +0000
Re: ebooks cb@bobby.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2014-03-28 10:42 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 23:12 -0400
Re: ebooks Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-03-28 23:17 -0700
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-26 16:06 -0400
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 09:19 -0800
Re: ebooks "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-26 13:50 -0500
Re: ebooks Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-03-26 20:00 +0000
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-26 13:30 -0800
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-26 15:51 -0500
Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-26 13:09 -0600
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-26 19:23 -0400
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-27 08:12 +1100
Re: ebooks despen@verizon.net (Dan.Espen) - 2014-03-26 19:24 -0400
Re: ebooks Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2014-03-26 23:40 +0000
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-27 06:36 -0400
Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-27 14:33 +0000
Re: Knuth/TeX (was Re: ebooks) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2014-03-27 14:01 -0500
Re: ebooks rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2014-03-27 03:10 +0000
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-25 08:19 -0500
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:16 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 13:32 +0000
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:20 +0000
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-25 15:49 -0400
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 15:58 +0000
Re: ebooks Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-03-27 01:46 -0400
Re: ebooks "Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:48 -0800
Re: ebooks RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-25 21:20 +0000
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-26 07:31 +1100
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-25 08:42 -0400
Re: ebooks Will Honea <whonea@whonea.net> - 2014-03-24 12:52 -0600
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-24 20:12 -0400
Re: ebooks Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2014-03-24 15:54 -0500
Re: ebooks Rob Myers <rob@robmyers.org> - 2014-03-24 22:19 +0000
Re: ebooks "Slp" <slp0987@nospam.com> - 2014-03-25 07:54 +1100
Re: ebooks scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-03-24 16:21 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 17:02 +0000
Re: ebooks Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2014-03-24 12:21 -0500
Re: ebooks Bob Eager <news0002@eager.cx> - 2014-03-24 19:50 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:48 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-24 23:42 +0000
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-25 15:07 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 23:40 +0000
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-26 21:57 +0100
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-28 13:58 +0000
Re: ebooks Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> - 2014-03-28 15:44 +0100
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 11:35 +1100
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-25 07:28 +1100
Re: ebooks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-24 22:31 +0000
Re: ebooks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-25 00:06 +0000
Re: ebooks "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2014-03-26 07:06 +1100
Re: ebooks Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-03-24 10:25 -0400
Re: ebooks Mike Sanders <mike@taco-shack.cow> - 2014-03-24 06:04 +0000
Re: ebooks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-03-26 13:17 +0100
Re: ebooks Peter Flass <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> - 2014-03-23 19:23 -0400
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2014-03-26 08:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lgukh1$445$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2013 |
On 26-Mar-14 11:19, Peter Flass wrote: > I occasionally find such errors in professionally published stuff, > but it's rare - finding one in a book is unusual, although errors > are getting more common. Self-published stuff seems to have a factor > of ten or more errors. The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at around one error per page, amateurly-edited stuff around one per paragraph, and un-edited stuff at worse than one per sentence. So, even a bad editor adds value, at least for some authors. OTOH, that's for fiction; I don't read enough non-fiction to have a good idea of what the relative error rates are. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-26 16:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53333224$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> |
| In reply to | #2015 |
In <lgukh1$445$1@dont-email.me>, on 03/26/2014 at 08:25 AM, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> said: >The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at >around one error per page, amateurly-edited stuff around one per >paragraph, and un-edited stuff at worse than one per sentence. >So, even a bad editor adds value, at least for some authors. What about the error rates for reprints, e.g., are their more errors with raw OCR or with editied OCR? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> Unsolicited bulk E-mail subject to legal action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-26 20:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lgvdrj$l8i$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #2031 |
On 2014-03-26, Shmuel Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote: > What about the error rates for reprints, e.g., are their more errors > with raw OCR or with editied OCR? You just reminded me of something that irritates me: a surprising number of ebooks have errors the print editions don't. I think the old publishers are reluctantly producing ebooks, but not taking the heart to do it right: they're OCRing print editions or something, and not making much effort to correct errors. I can't give you a specific example but I read a novel published by a house like Penguin, and it had a number of errors that looked suspiciously like a faulty optical character recognition routine. Yet, they charge full price for the ebook. Fire and pitchforks, I say!
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 08:19 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bpgul7FmolpU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2036 |
"RS Wood" <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote in message news:lgvdrj$l8i$1@solani.org... > On 2014-03-26, Shmuel Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote: >> What about the error rates for reprints, e.g., are their more errors >> with raw OCR or with editied OCR? > > > You just reminded me of something that irritates me: a surprising number > of ebooks have errors the print editions don't. I think the old > publishers are reluctantly producing ebooks, but not taking the heart to > do it right: they're OCRing print editions or something, and not making > much effort to correct errors. I can't give you a specific example but > I read a novel published by a house like Penguin, and it had a number of > errors that looked suspiciously like a faulty optical character > recognition routine. Presumably because their operation is now much more marginal than it was economically so they choose not to pay the substantial cost of decent proof reading and are reluctant to get it done in India etc. > Yet, they charge full price for the ebook. Likely because they don’t want to undercut what market they still have with the dead tree books. > Fire and pitchforks, I say!
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2014-03-26 15:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lgvf18$ttg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2031 |
On 26-Mar-14 15:01, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote: > In <lgukh1$445$1@dont-email.me>, on 03/26/2014 > at 08:25 AM, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> said: >> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at >> around one error per page, amateurly-edited stuff around one per >> paragraph, and un-edited stuff at worse than one per sentence. >> So, even a bad editor adds value, at least for some authors. > > What about the error rates for reprints, e.g., are their more errors > with raw OCR or with editied OCR? Raw OCR error rates depend mostly on the quality of the image and of the software, and the types of errors tend to be quite different from ones originating with the author--and I suspect more likely to be caught by an editor or even automated spelling/grammar checkers. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 06:28 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5333fd5d$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> |
| In reply to | #2040 |
In <lgvf18$ttg$1@dont-email.me>, on 03/26/2014 at 03:58 PM, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> said: >Raw OCR error rates depend mostly on the quality of the image and >of the software, and the types of errors tend to be quite >different from ones originating with the author--and I suspect >more likely to be caught by an editor or even automated >spelling/grammar checkers. My concern was errors introduced in a reprint, which almost certainly did not involve the author, especially if he is deceased. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> Unsolicited bulk E-mail subject to legal action. I reserve the right to publicly post or ridicule any abusive E-mail. Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+news to contact me. Do not reply to spamtrap@library.lspace.org
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| From | Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> |
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| Date | 2014-03-26 22:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <86mwgc7jvz.fsf@nine.des.no> |
| In reply to | #2031 |
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes: > What about the error rates for reprints, e.g., are their more errors > with raw OCR or with editied OCR? I read the Hornblower series on Kindle a few years ago. The early novels were chock-full of OCR errors; they had very clearly not been proof-read at all. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no
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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 00:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1403270044520.14705@darkstar.example.org> |
| In reply to | #2031 |
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote: > In <lgukh1$445$1@dont-email.me>, on 03/26/2014 > at 08:25 AM, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> said: > >> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at >> around one error per page, amateurly-edited stuff around one per >> paragraph, and un-edited stuff at worse than one per sentence. >> So, even a bad editor adds value, at least for some authors. > > What about the error rates for reprints, e.g., are their more errors > with raw OCR or with editied OCR? > I started to read one of my great great great grandfather's books, now in ebook form. A lot of weird characters there, so clearly someone scanned it, ocr'd it, and then never checked to make sure it was intact. But I've never seen the books as books, so I don't feel I could start to fix them. Michael
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2014-03-26 15:01 -0500 |
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"Stephen Sprunk" wrote: > The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at around > one error per page, .... I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall I *never* saw a single error in grammar or spelling.
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2014-03-26 20:57 +0000 |
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| In reply to | #2033 |
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: >"Stephen Sprunk" wrote: > >> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at around >> one error per page, .... > >I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall I *never* >saw a single error in grammar or spelling. On the Journalistic other hand, the _Muscatine Journal_ used to have both grammar and spelling errors in most every issue. One memorable one was on the editorial page during the xmas holidays, where Christ lay in a manager. scott
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| From | "Stanley Daniel de Liver" <admin@127.0.0.1> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 13:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <op.xddt44vgo4et73@dell3100> |
| In reply to | #2038 |
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:57:26 -0000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote: > "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: >> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote: >> >>> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at around >>> one error per page, .... >> >> I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall I >> *never* >> saw a single error in grammar or spelling. > > On the Journalistic other hand, the _Muscatine Journal_ used to have > both grammar and spelling errors in most every issue. One memorable one > was on the editorial page during the xmas holidays, where Christ lay > in a manager. > In the UK we have the Grauniad (Guardian), so called because they'd even miss typos in headlines. Computers may have actually helped here. > scott -- It's a money /life balance.
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 17:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ic1e0b-toa1.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #2064 |
On 2014-03-27, Stanley Daniel de Liver <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote: > On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 20:57:26 -0000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> > wrote: > >> "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes: >>> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote: >>> >>>> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at around >>>> one error per page, .... >>> >>> I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall I >>> *never* >>> saw a single error in grammar or spelling. >> >> On the Journalistic other hand, the _Muscatine Journal_ used to have >> both grammar and spelling errors in most every issue. One memorable one >> was on the editorial page during the xmas holidays, where Christ lay >> in a manager. >> > In the UK we have the Grauniad (Guardian), so called because they'd even > miss typos in headlines. My private theory was that the typesetters visited the pub before starting work, but it might have been union 'working practices' as well. > Computers may have actually helped here. Yes. -- Paul Sture "In that case," said Napoleon, "let us wait twenty minutes; when the enemy is making a false movement we must take good care not to interrupt him."
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 08:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lh18uq$59i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2033 |
On 26-Mar-14 15:01, Osmium wrote: > "Stephen Sprunk" wrote: >> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at >> around one error per page, .... >> >> OTOH, that's for fiction; I don't read enough non-fiction to have >> a good idea of what the relative error rates are. > > I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall I > *never* saw a single error in grammar or spelling. Are you classifying _Time_ as fiction or non-fiction? S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | greymausg <maus@mail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 14:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlj8dk5.jku.maus@gmaus.org> |
| In reply to | #2065 |
On 2014-03-27, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > On 26-Mar-14 15:01, Osmium wrote: >> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote: >>> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at >>> around one error per page, .... >>> >>> OTOH, that's for fiction; I don't read enough non-fiction to have >>> a good idea of what the relative error rates are. >> >> I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall I >> *never* saw a single error in grammar or spelling. > > Are you classifying _Time_ as fiction or non-fiction? I gave up Time around the end of Vietnam War. Before the US army arrived , it had been full of opinions of retired US army generals on how the US Army would mop up the VietCong in a couple of weeks. (Last weeks, when the hawks in US were screaming for `intervention i n Ukraine, brought that all back.) -- maus . . ...
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 10:05 -0500 |
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| In reply to | #2065 |
"Stephen Sprunk" wrote: > On 26-Mar-14 15:01, Osmium wrote: >> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote: >>> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out at >>> around one error per page, .... >>> >>> OTOH, that's for fiction; I don't read enough non-fiction to have >>> a good idea of what the relative error rates are. >> >> I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall I >> *never* saw a single error in grammar or spelling. > > Are you classifying _Time_ as fiction or non-fiction? Neither, that discussion has different dimensions. I am suggesting that the one error per page you are seeing is the result of the fact that editors are no longer in the loop. They followed the Linotype operators out the door. I seriously doubt that any competent - not good, just competent - editor would allow anything near one error per page to pass his scrutiny. I pretty much quit reading fiction qua fiction shortly after I got out of high school. There is enough nonsense to filter already without purposely allowing novelists to plant interesting but wild factoids in my head. There is a good book right there,. Common knowledge that originated in a novelists vivid imagination. "List" books were popular a few years ago, it could be a list book. Made up example: Dentists are suicidal. Discuss
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 11:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <lh1l56$5th$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2073 |
On 27-Mar-14 10:05, Osmium wrote:
> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>> On 26-Mar-14 15:01, Osmium wrote:
>>> "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>>> The professionally-edited stuff I've seen seems to bottom out
>>>> at around one error per page, ....
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, that's for fiction; I don't read enough non-fiction to
>>>> have a good idea of what the relative error rates are.
>>>
>>> I took _Time_ magazine for many years. As near as I can recall
>>> I *never* saw a single error in grammar or spelling.
>>
>> Are you classifying _Time_ as fiction or non-fiction?
>
> Neither, that discussion has different dimensions. I am suggesting
> that the one error per page you are seeing is the result of the fact
> that editors are no longer in the loop. They followed the Linotype
> operators out the door. I seriously doubt that any competent - not
> good, just competent - editor would allow anything near one error per
> page to pass his scrutiny.
I suspect the editors are still around but they're either not as
competent as (or more lax than) expected. It's mostly stuff like faulty
parallelism ("I like dogs and to swim") or improper cases ("if I was a
dog"), but now and then even obvious errors like homophones or
missing/extra commas will slip through.
I speed-read fiction, so I don't usually notice the less obvious errors
unless they cause my brain to mis-parse a sentence and throw an
exception, but when re-reading slowly I'll see them, and I'll then
notice other errors in the vicinity. I can't read entire novels at
normal speed because the errors are so frequent as to distract from the
story. And that's even with books on the NYT bestseller list in at
least their second printing (since I only buy paperbacks), where you'd
expect higher standards.
S
--
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 14:25 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bpjc9lF7r7gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2076 |
"Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
> I suspect the editors are still around but they're either not as
> competent as (or more lax than) expected. It's mostly stuff like faulty
> parallelism ("I like dogs and to swim") or improper cases ("if I was a
> dog"), but now and then even obvious errors like homophones or
> missing/extra commas will slip through.
I was trying to figure out if the fuel bladder on a 757 was empty or full
of nitrogen or what. Turns out there is no bladder, it's fuel in an
aluminum container. (Which leaves my question unresolved.) In any event,
_The Seattle Times_ had this:
"Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other Boeing
divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making. The
shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
And your guess is that a human read that? It is almost surely a spell
checker induced error.
Looks like an interesting - but very long - article. I wish I had time to
read it. Note that this is part 4 of 8.
http://seattletimes.com/news/business/757/part04/
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| From | scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <T40Zu.3$_T5.2@fx32.iad> |
| In reply to | #2082 |
"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> writes:
>"Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>
>> I suspect the editors are still around but they're either not as
>> competent as (or more lax than) expected. It's mostly stuff like faulty
>> parallelism ("I like dogs and to swim") or improper cases ("if I was a
>> dog"), but now and then even obvious errors like homophones or
>> missing/extra commas will slip through.
>
>I was trying to figure out if the fuel bladder on a 757 was empty or full
>of nitrogen or what. Turns out there is no bladder, it's fuel in an
>aluminum container. (Which leaves my question unresolved.) In any event,
>_The Seattle Times_ had this:
Inert gas is used on military aircraft. There was some push after
the TWA 747 mid-air explosion to add inerting systems to commercial
aircraft. Not as a retrofit, but as a requirement for new designs
(I believe the 787 may have a fuel system inerting mechanism).
scott
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| From | Johny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-28 01:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <51k9j91oikf87f6kncb7e54abcuq31khhn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2082 |
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:25:40 -0500, "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
wrote:
>"Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>
>> I suspect the editors are still around but they're either not as
>> competent as (or more lax than) expected. It's mostly stuff like faulty
>> parallelism ("I like dogs and to swim") or improper cases ("if I was a
>> dog"), but now and then even obvious errors like homophones or
>> missing/extra commas will slip through.
>
>I was trying to figure out if the fuel bladder on a 757 was empty or full
>of nitrogen or what. Turns out there is no bladder, it's fuel in an
>aluminum container. (Which leaves my question unresolved.) In any event,
>_The Seattle Times_ had this:
>
>"Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other Boeing
>divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making. The
>shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>And your guess is that a human read that? It is almost surely a spell
>checker induced error.
>
>Looks like an interesting - but very long - article. I wish I had time to
>read it. Note that this is part 4 of 8.
>
>http://seattletimes.com/news/business/757/part04/
>
I missed the error at first reading and it took a very careful second
reading to spot it.
It's not absolutely clear how the following arose:-
"many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making.".
The error might not be the simple addition of 'w' to the end of 'no'.
It could simply be due to a 'brain fart' on the author's part who may
have intended to write:-
"many Auburn workers now have no idea what they're making."
which seems the more likely intended wording from the context.
--
Regards, J B Good
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2014-03-27 22:37 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <bpk93kFdhooU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2087 |
"Johny B Good" wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014 14:25:40 -0500, "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect the editors are still around but they're either not as
>>> competent as (or more lax than) expected. It's mostly stuff like faulty
>>> parallelism ("I like dogs and to swim") or improper cases ("if I was a
>>> dog"), but now and then even obvious errors like homophones or
>>> missing/extra commas will slip through.
>>
>>I was trying to figure out if the fuel bladder on a 757 was empty or full
>>of nitrogen or what. Turns out there is no bladder, it's fuel in an
>>aluminum container. (Which leaves my question unresolved.) In any event,
>>_The Seattle Times_ had this:
>>
>>"Another contrast between the machine shops of Auburn and other Boeing
>>divisions is that many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making.
>>The
>>shapes they create often seem almost abstract. "
>>And your guess is that a human read that? It is almost surely a spell
>>checker induced error.
>>
>>Looks like an interesting - but very long - article. I wish I had time to
>>read it. Note that this is part 4 of 8.
>>
>>http://seattletimes.com/news/business/757/part04/
>>
>
> I missed the error at first reading and it took a very careful second
> reading to spot it.
>
> It's not absolutely clear how the following arose:-
>
> "many Auburn workers have now idea what they're making.".
>
> The error might not be the simple addition of 'w' to the end of 'no'.
>
> It could simply be due to a 'brain fart' on the author's part who may
> have intended to write:-
>
> "many Auburn workers now have no idea what they're making."
>
> which seems the more likely intended wording from the context.
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
In any event, it is crystal clear to me that a large, metropolitan newspaper
put out a *major piece* without proofreading. This is not a last minute
thing about a small bonfire almost getting out of control
From what I saw, a very good job of writing too. What a shame.
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