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| Started by | wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2014-03-05 21:52 -0500 |
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SoylentNews founder resigns wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> - 2014-03-05 21:52 -0500
Re: SoylentNews founder resigns RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-06 08:52 +0000
Re: SoylentNews founder resigns Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2014-03-06 10:30 +0000
Re: SoylentNews founder resigns Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-03-06 14:18 +0100
Re: SoylentNews founder resigns RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-06 18:41 +0000
Re: SoylentNews founder resigns Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2014-03-06 22:53 +0000
Re: SoylentNews founder resigns Koen <koen.lefever@gmail.com> - 2014-03-07 13:20 +0000
Re: SoylentNews founder resigns RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-03-07 16:01 +0000
| From | wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-05 21:52 -0500 |
| Subject | SoylentNews founder resigns |
| Message-ID | <bnq67hF2evfU1@mid.individual.net> |
Unexpected development at SN just a month after going live. "I can no longer sustain the level of activity needed to run Soylent news, and so I have resigned as leader. In the end, I was literally begging people to step back and let the site "just run" for a few days while I caught up... alas, to no effect. Issues must be resolved "right here and right now" continuously throughout my day with no end in sight. NCommander has taken over as project lead - he has access to everything from the registrar down. I understand he has a different vision for the project, which will soon be revealed. I'm sorry to leave like this, but there's really nothing for it. I'm going back to my AI studies, which happen at a more leisurely pace. John Barrabas (And yes, this was an amicable transfer of power. There's no hard feelings on my side.)" http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/03/06/0238207 -- I drive a '74 AMC Hornet in my dreams. Also, I really like cheese.
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| From | RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 08:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lf9d0t$uv8$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #1279 |
On 2014-03-06, wjwlsn <ibillwilson@gmail.com> wrote: > Unexpected development at SN just a month after going live. > > "I can no longer sustain the level of activity needed to run Soylent news, > and so I have resigned as leader. > > In the end, I was literally begging people to step back and let the site > "just run" for a few days while I caught up... alas, to no effect. Issues > must be resolved "right here and right now" continuously throughout my day > with no end in sight. > > NCommander has taken over as project lead - he has access to everything > from the registrar down. I understand he has a different vision for the > project, which will soon be revealed. > > I'm sorry to leave like this, but there's really nothing for it. I'm going > back to my AI studies, which happen at a more leisurely pace. > > John Barrabas > > (And yes, this was an amicable transfer of power. There's no hard feelings > on my side.)" > > http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/03/06/0238207 > Interesting! I hadn't seen this. So, digging into the bag of "wild-ass guesses": 1. This kind of project takes up more time and energy than he had imagined, and he burned out. I mean, the IRC channel and a lot of the comments were full of users looking for improvement, change, and so on. It's endless and if he hadn't been mentally prepared for it, it probably overwhelmed him. 2. He took the project as far as he could get it. There are 'start up' people and 'maintenance/management' people, and maybe he was more of a start up person, who now finds the fun is gone. 3. He realized he was out $1000 of pocket and the community wasn't naturally going to let him figure out a model that lets him earn it back. Suddenly it's not the thrill of a renegade website - it's a thing with expenses and that's not fun. I wish him well, anyway, and can certainly appreciate where he's coming from. I expect the comments to be full of "hey, we're a community, we needed to vote on the next leader" or some crap. And I'm a little more than curious to see what NCommander's new "vision" is going to be (there don't seem to be many visions to choose from out there these days). I understand from the IRC channel and elsewhere NCommander did a lot of the hard coding to get that crusty perl up and running. Maybe he was a more natural fit? Interesting times. Meanwhile, Usenet is free, or $10 per month to an NSP - certainly, a far cry from a website that has to pay for all its own bandwidth.
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| From | Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 10:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <bnr12dF7dooU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1282 |
On 2014-03-06, RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> wrote: > Meanwhile, Usenet is free, or $10 per month to an NSP Or E10 a *year* to News.Individual.Net -- Today is Setting Orange, the 65th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3180 "Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"
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| From | Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 14:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <lf9sjp$auu$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1283 |
On Thursday 06 March 2014 11:30, Huge conveyed the following to
comp.misc...
> On 2014-03-06, RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile, Usenet is free, or $10 per month to an NSP
>
> Or E10 a *year* to News.Individual.Net
news.eternal-september.org is free of charge, but registration is
required, and binary groups are not supported.
aioe.org is free of charge, but is filtered out by many due to it being
a preferred news gateway for trolls and paid shills.
--
= Aragorn =
http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 18:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <20140306184127.010c0871@koala.therandymon.com> |
| In reply to | #1290 |
On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 14:18:49 +0100 Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote: > On Thursday 06 March 2014 11:30, Huge conveyed the following to > comp.misc... > > > On 2014-03-06, RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> wrote: > > > >> Meanwhile, Usenet is free, or $10 per month to an NSP > > > > Or E10 a *year* to News.Individual.Net > > news.eternal-september.org is free of charge, but registration is > required, and binary groups are not supported. > > aioe.org is free of charge, but is filtered out by many due to it > being a preferred news gateway for trolls and paid shills. > Here's a plug for my current favorite: solani.org Free like AIOE, but not as well known, so fast connections and good service. You have to register etc. but it doesn't cost anything. I know the guys running it and they're extremely nice individuals. I also like individual.de and they're serious about filtering spam, which is useful: they have the "cleanest" forums I know of.
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| From | Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-06 22:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnlhhv2h.129.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1307 |
On 2014-03-06, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: > On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 14:18:49 +0100 > Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote: > >> On Thursday 06 March 2014 11:30, Huge conveyed the following to >> comp.misc... >> >> > On 2014-03-06, RS Wood <rswood@therandymon.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Meanwhile, Usenet is free, or $10 per month to an NSP >> > >> > Or E10 a *year* to News.Individual.Net >> >> news.eternal-september.org is free of charge, but registration is >> required, and binary groups are not supported. >> >> aioe.org is free of charge, but is filtered out by many due to it >> being a preferred news gateway for trolls and paid shills. >> > > Here's a plug for my current favorite: solani.org > > Free like AIOE, but not as well known, so fast connections and good > service. You have to register etc. but it doesn't cost anything. I > know the guys running it and they're extremely nice individuals. > > I also like individual.de and they're serious about filtering spam, > which is useful: they have the "cleanest" forums I know of. I'll add my vote for Individual.net too; also Datemas and Albasani - the latter another free service with a good reputation. <http://individual.net/> <http://news.datemas.de/> <http://albasani.net/index.html.en> -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~
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| From | Koen <koen.lefever@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-07 13:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lfch2k$apr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1279 |
On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 21:52:33 -0500, wjwlsn wrote: > Unexpected development at SN just a month after going live. > > "I can no longer sustain the level of activity needed to run Soylent > news, > and so I have resigned as leader. > > In the end, I was literally begging people to step back and let the site > "just run" for a few days while I caught up... alas, to no effect. > Issues must be resolved "right here and right now" continuously > throughout my day with no end in sight. > > NCommander has taken over as project lead - he has access to everything > from the registrar down. I understand he has a different vision for the > project, which will soon be revealed. > > I'm sorry to leave like this, but there's really nothing for it. I'm > going back to my AI studies, which happen at a more leisurely pace. > > John Barrabas > > (And yes, this was an amicable transfer of power. There's no hard > feelings on my side.)" > > http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/03/06/0238207 There is an update post from NCommander: "As many of you have already read, John Barrabas resigned as head of SoylentNews, and I've taken over in his place. Many people who are not involved in Staff were likely blindsided on this, and the community itself deserves to have an understanding of the reasons and events leading up to this. This post exists to set the record straight. I would like to make it clear, especially in hindsight, that the events leading up to this were not pretty, and that no one involved came out smelling like roses. Mistakes were made all around, tempers were lost, and to be frank, at times, I've conducted myself in a way that was not professional. In the end, the changeover was amicable, and John and I are still on speaking terms with each other. This isn't intended as a bashfest, but rather as explanation to the community (along with those staff who were not directly involved) of why and how this change came about." "http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/03/06/0728230"
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| From | RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> |
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| Date | 2014-03-07 16:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <lfcqgc$126$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #1339 |
On 2014-03-07, Koen <koen.lefever@gmail.com> wrote: > There is an update post from NCommander: > > "As many of you have already read, John Barrabas resigned as head of > SoylentNews, and I've taken over in his place. Many people who are not > involved in Staff were likely blindsided on this, and the community > itself deserves to have an understanding of the reasons and events > leading up to this. This post exists to set the record straight. > > I would like to make it clear, especially in hindsight, that the events > leading up to this were not pretty, and that no one involved came out > smelling like roses. Mistakes were made all around, tempers were lost, > and to be frank, at times, I've conducted myself in a way that was not > professional. > > In the end, the changeover was amicable, and John and I are still on > speaking terms with each other. This isn't intended as a bashfest, but > rather as explanation to the community (along with those staff who were > not directly involved) of why and how this change came about." > > "http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/03/06/0728230" It's a pretty interesting read, and the IRC raw logs are enlightening, too. Another case of people with a common technical interest who stumble over themselves on issues of management, leadership, communication, and decision-making. It's still a great site, and the problems they hit have more to do with the headlong rush into building a new site fast enough to catch the /. exodus, than with bad will or malice. I think Soy will survive, and hope so - I already like it quite a bit!
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