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  RSS feed for this group. Trent Eickmeyer <trente@gmail.com> - 2014-02-09 08:40 -0800
    Re: RSS feed for this group. Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-02-25 23:58 -0500
      Re: RSS feed for this group. Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> - 2014-02-26 07:42 +0000
      Re: RSS feed for this group. scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2014-02-26 17:25 +0000

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I thought this might help some of the /. refugees.

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On Sun, 9 Feb 2014, Trent Eickmeyer wrote:

> https://groups.google.com/forum/feed/comp.misc/topics/rss.xml?num=50
>
> I thought this might help some of the /. refugees.
>
Don't encourage people to use google for access to Usenet, they have done 
enough damage.

The famous thread where Linus Torvald announces Linux has been vandalized 
by endless people who think it's "cool" to be part of a 20 year old 
thread.  They are helped along because the last time google changed their 
interface they left in the bug that allows replies to messages older than 
30 days.  That may work in their groups, where everything is on one 
webpage, but it is annoying and destructive to Usenet.  I'm not even sure 
the posters who reply to old messages know what they are doing.

Dejanws was useful as an archive of Usenet, and when google took it over, 
initially that was valuable.  But they are a constant drag on what's left, 
and much of the time it seems like one can't even do proper searches of 
the archive.

   Michael

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#951

Michael Black wrote:

>Don't encourage people to use google for access to Usenet, they have done 
>enough damage.
>
>They are helped along because the last time google changed their 
>interface they left in the bug that allows replies to messages older than 
>30 days.  That may work in their groups, where everything is on one 
>webpage, but it is annoying and destructive to Usenet.  I'm not even sure 
>the posters who reply to old messages know what they are doing.

Probably not. Since one of the recent downgrades Google Groups
now shows the original posting date over on the far right where
it is not noticed by the tardy responder.

Chris
-- 
Chris J Dixon  Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk

Plant amazing Acers.

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#969

In article <alpine.LNX.2.02.1402252354510.11311@darkstar.example.org>,
Michael Black  <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Feb 2014, Trent Eickmeyer wrote:
>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/feed/comp.misc/topics/rss.xml?num=50
>>
>> I thought this might help some of the /. refugees.
>>
>Don't encourage people to use google for access to Usenet, they have done 
>enough damage.
>
>The famous thread where Linus Torvald announces Linux has been vandalized 
>by endless people who think it's "cool" to be part of a 20 year old 
>thread.  They are helped along because the last time google changed their 
>interface they left in the bug that allows replies to messages older than 
>30 days.  That may work in their groups, where everything is on one 
>webpage, but it is annoying and destructive to Usenet.  I'm not even sure 
>the posters who reply to old messages know what they are doing.

Even worse than the thread necros is the mangled formatting you see when two
or more Google Groups participants reply.  Each reply throws empty lines
into the quote, so you see something like this:

Yesterday, Alice wrote:
> The day before, Bob wrote:
>> 
>
>> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Nunc sed nibh
>
>> cursus, laoreet libero et, fringilla eros. Pellentesque sit amet
>
>> imperdiet diam, nec mattis velit. Nulla facilisi. Mauris a massa. 
>
>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Nunc sed nibh
>cursus, laoreet libero et, fringilla eros. Pellentesque sit amet imperdiet
>diam, nec mattis velit. Nulla facilisi. Mauris a massa. 

It gets even worse as the thread gets deeper.  For some examples, take a
look at recent posts to comp.sys.apple2.  It might not even always wrap
lines at less than 80 columns, which brings its own nastiness.

About all Google Groups is really good at handling is searching for old
posts.  Its own set of groups that exist outside of Usenet aren't too bad. 
For interacting with Usenet, though, it is an abomination.

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