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  Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-11-24 18:34 +0000
    Re: Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? Batchman <batchman@dosville.foo> - 2017-11-26 08:27 +1100
    Re: Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2017-11-26 13:11 +0000
      Re: Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? Johnny B Good <johnny-b-good@invalid.ntlworld.com> - 2017-11-26 14:03 +0000
    Re: Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2017-11-26 19:57 -0600
    Re: Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2018-06-05 17:06 -0400
      Re: Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2018-06-13 15:06 +0200
        Re: Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share? RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2018-06-13 22:13 -0400

#15020 — Can the new Firefox Quantum regain its web browser market share?

<URL:https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2017/11/21/mozilla-market-share/>

Quoting from the URL above:

   When Firefox was introduced in 2004, it was designed to be a lean and
   optimized web browser, based on the bloated code from the Mozilla Suite.
   Between 2004 and 2009, many considered Firefox to be the best web
   browser, since it was faster, more secure, offered tabbed browsing and
   was more customizable through extensions than Microsoft's Internet
   Explorer. When Chrome was introduced in 2008, it took many of Firefox's
   best ideas and improved on them. Since 2010, Chrome has eaten away at
   Firefox's market share, relegating Firefox to a tiny niche of free
   software enthusiasts and tinkerers who like the customization of its XUL
   extensions.

   According to StatCounter, Firefox's market share of web browsers has
   fallen from 31.8% in December 2009 to just 6.1% today. Firefox can take
   comfort in the fact that it is now virtually tied with its former
   arch-nemesis, Internet Explorer and its variants. All of Microsoft's
   browsers only account for 6.2% of current web browsing according to
   StatCounter. Microsoft has largely been replaced by Google, whose web
   browsers now controls 56.5% of the market. Even worse, is the fact that
   the WebKit engine used by Google now represents over 83% of web
   browsing, so web sites are increasingly focusing on compatibility with
   just one web engine. While Google and Apple are more supportive of W3C
   and open standards than Microsoft was in the late 90s, the web is
   increasingly being monopolized by one web engine and two companies,
   whose business models are not always based on the best interests of
   users or their rights.

   ...

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#15022

Rich wrote:

>    and open standards than Microsoft was in the late 90s, the web is
>    increasingly being monopolized by ONE web engine and TWO companies,
>    whose business models are not always based on the best interests of
>    users or their rights.

(Emphasis above added)

To quote the Bard, `Aye, there's the rub!'

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#15024

Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>>Firefox Quantum
> 
>  Well, the spelling reminds me of a Quantum Fireball if anyone still
>  remembers what that was!

You are referring to the disk drive made by the Quantum Corporation
somewhere in the mid to late 90's, right?

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#15025

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:11:53 +0000, Rich wrote:

> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
>>>Firefox Quantum
>> 
>>  Well, the spelling reminds me of a Quantum Fireball if anyone still
>>  remembers what that was!
> 
> You are referring to the disk drive made by the Quantum Corporation
> somewhere in the mid to late 90's, right?

 Ah! *That's* why the name sounded so familiar! I might even still have 
one in my collection of retired drives as a reminder of the days when HDDs 
used to outlive their usefulness rather than, as is now the case, the 
other way round (The only Seagate drive I ever used in a PC was a 20MB 
unit - Seagate's pricing was a bit too rich for me even before they were 
cursed by the Maxtor Factor of running too bloody hot for all but the 
coolest of PC case designs).

-- 
Johnny B Good

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#15028

Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
> >Firefox Quantum

>   Well, the spelling reminds me of a Quantum Fireball
>   if anyone still remembers what that was!

I had those HDDs according to my detailed history:
Fireball Plus LM 30 GB HDD (7200 RPM; EIDE)
Quantum Fireball Plus LM 15 GB
Quantum 6.4 GB HDD
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#16065

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC)
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

> <URL:https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2017/11/21/mozilla-market-share/>
> 
> Quoting from the URL above:
> 
>    When Firefox was introduced in 2004, it was designed to be a lean and
>    optimized web browser, based on the bloated code from the Mozilla Suite.
>    Between 2004 and 2009, many considered Firefox to be the best web
>    browser, since it was faster, more secure, offered tabbed browsing and



Answer seems to be "no."  Netmarketshare claims mozilla is now below
10%, Chrome is over 60%, and lots of little stuff fills in the gaps
(Edge is at 4%).  Mozilla is dropping.

https://www.ghacks.net/2018/06/04/firefox-dropped-below-the-10-share-value-on-netmarketshare/

Some commentary here:
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=18/06/05/0218239

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#16091

Op 05-06-18 om 23:06 schreef RS Wood:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC)
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> <URL:https://amosbbatto.wordpress.com/2017/11/21/mozilla-market-share/>
>>
>> Quoting from the URL above:
>>
>>     When Firefox was introduced in 2004, it was designed to be a lean and
>>     optimized web browser, based on the bloated code from the Mozilla Suite.
>>     Between 2004 and 2009, many considered Firefox to be the best web
>>     browser, since it was faster, more secure, offered tabbed browsing and
> 
> 
> 
> Answer seems to be "no."  Netmarketshare claims mozilla is now below
> 10%, Chrome is over 60%,
Google is laughing all the way to the bank :(
The world needs more awareness and appreciation of privacy.
> and lots of little stuff fills in the gaps
> (Edge is at 4%).  Mozilla is dropping.
> 
> https://www.ghacks.net/2018/06/04/firefox-dropped-below-the-10-share-value-on-netmarketshare/
> 
> Some commentary here:
> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=18/06/05/0218239
> 
> 

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#16092

On 2018-06-13, Dirk T. Verbeek <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> Answer seems to be "no."  Netmarketshare claims mozilla is now below
>> 10%, Chrome is over 60%,
> Google is laughing all the way to the bank :(
> The world needs more awareness and appreciation of privacy.
>> and lots of little stuff fills in the gaps
>> (Edge is at 4%).  Mozilla is dropping.

I don't disagree with you.  But Mozilla also needs to up its game.  Google
beat out Mozilla back in the day by ... building a better browser.  Firefox
may have caught up, but no one noticed because they were happy with Chrome. 
Worse, newer versions of Firefox alienated popular plug-ins and developers
didn't bother to keep up.  I lost "It's all text" and never got it back, for
example.

Firefox got fat, lazy, and sloppy in its glory days, and lacked the maturity
to keep laser-focused on its mission.  A real rookie mistake.

If Google's laughing, it's because the Mozilla foundation was so easy to
play for a fool.

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