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  Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-18 13:56 +0000
    Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes invalid@invalid.invalid (tomas) - 2014-06-22 03:56 +0000
      Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes invalid@invalid.invalid (tomas) - 2014-06-22 03:59 +0000
      Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-22 09:59 -0400
        Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-06-23 18:57 +0000
          Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-23 16:05 -0400
            Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-06-25 14:44 +0000
              Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-25 21:08 -0400
                Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-06-26 15:59 +0000
                  Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-26 17:53 -0400
        Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2014-06-24 02:03 -0600
          Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-24 18:00 -0400
            Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2014-06-25 14:45 +0000
              Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-25 21:09 -0400
              Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-06-26 13:49 +0000
                Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> - 2014-06-26 17:57 -0400
                Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes cb@bobby.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2014-06-26 22:43 +0000
                  Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-26 20:05 -0700
                  Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> - 2014-06-27 02:27 -0600
                    Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-06-28 06:00 -0400
                  Re: Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2014-06-27 13:05 +0000

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#3741 — Unisys retires proprietary ClearPath processor on mainframes

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/17/unisys_embraces_intel_sunsets_proprietary_processor/

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Unisys is hastening the retirement of its proprietary – and geriatric –
mainframe processor, beginning with 12 new ClearPath systems based on
Intel Xeon processors.

"Continuing the ongoing evolution of the ClearPath family to an open
architecture based on Intel x86 processors," the company said in a
statement, "the new models outperform predecessor ClearPath models
based on CMOS (complementary metal oxide semiconductor) processors."

The new systems are based on what Unisys calls "an advanced fabric
architecture" that "uses software for processes traditionally performed
by hardware." Powered by Intel Xeon E5-2600 v2 processors, the fabric
can incorporate hardware, software, and networking into the Forward! by
Unisys platform, announced last October, which enables secure
partitions through Unisys' s-Par tech.
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-- 
RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>

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#3789

In article <20140618135652.7a803320.rsw@therandymon.com>, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/17/unisys_embraces_intel_sunsets_proprieta
>ry_processor/
>
>//--clip
>Unisys is hastening the retirement of its proprietary – and geriatric –
>mainframe processor, beginning with 12 new ClearPath systems based on
>Intel Xeon processors.
>
>"Continuing the ongoing evolution of the ClearPath family to an open
>architecture based on Intel x86 processors," the company said in a
>statement, "the new models outperform predecessor ClearPath models
>based on CMOS (complementary metal oxide semiconductor) processors."
>
>The new systems are based on what Unisys calls "an advanced fabric
>architecture" that "uses software for processes traditionally performed
>by hardware." Powered by Intel Xeon E5-2600 v2 processors, the fabric
>can incorporate hardware, software, and networking into the Forward! by
>Unisys platform, announced last October, which enables secure
>partitions through Unisys' s-Par tech.
>//-- clip
>

I believe the model they are talking about is the ClearPath LIbra, the distant 
descendent of the Burroughs 5500 line.  Apparently they will sell the 
ClearPath Dorado (son of son of son of ...  the Univac 1107) for a while 
longer.

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#3790

In article <lo5k5v$lfi$1@dont-email.me>, invalid@invalid.invalid (tomas) wrote:
>In article <20140618135652.7a803320.rsw@therandymon.com>, RS Wood
> <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/17/unisys_embraces_intel_sunsets_propriet
>a
>>ry_processor/
>>
>>//--clip
>>Unisys is hastening the retirement of its proprietary – and geriatric –
>>mainframe processor, beginning with 12 new ClearPath systems based on
>>Intel Xeon processors.
>>
>>"Continuing the ongoing evolution of the ClearPath family to an open
>>architecture based on Intel x86 processors," the company said in a
>>statement, "the new models outperform predecessor ClearPath models
>>based on CMOS (complementary metal oxide semiconductor) processors."
>>
>>The new systems are based on what Unisys calls "an advanced fabric
>>architecture" that "uses software for processes traditionally performed
>>by hardware." Powered by Intel Xeon E5-2600 v2 processors, the fabric
>>can incorporate hardware, software, and networking into the Forward! by
>>Unisys platform, announced last October, which enables secure
>>partitions through Unisys' s-Par tech.
>>//-- clip
>>
>
>I believe the model they are talking about is the ClearPath LIbra, the distant 
>descendent of the Burroughs 5500 line.  Apparently they will sell the 
>ClearPath Dorado (son of son of son of ...  the Univac 1107) for a while 
>longer.
>
I meant to a  "sell the ClearPath Dorado CMOS systems for a while longer."  

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#3792

In <lo5k5v$lfi$1@dont-email.me>, on 06/22/2014
   at 03:56 AM, invalid@invalid.invalid (tomas) said:

>I believe the model they are talking about is the ClearPath LIbra,
>the distant  descendent of the Burroughs 5500 line.

I might believe 6500; the B5000 line ended with the 5700.

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#3799

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>In <lo5k5v$lfi$1@dont-email.me>, on 06/22/2014
>   at 03:56 AM, invalid@invalid.invalid (tomas) said:
>
>>I believe the model they are talking about is the ClearPath LIbra,
>>the distant  descendent of the Burroughs 5500 line.
>
>I might believe 6500; the B5000 line ended with the 5700.
>

Internally, Burroughs had three distinct mainframe lines:

  B1xxx      Small Systems  (B1700 and descendents)
  B[234]xxx  Medium Systems (B300, B3500 and descendents)
  B[456]xxx  Large systems  (B5000 and descendents)

Large systems included B5000 through B7900 (at the time,
later A-series, later Clearpath Libra)

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#3853

In <dM_pv.27291$nc6.10450@fx27.iad>, on 06/23/2014
   at 06:57 PM, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:

>Internally, Burroughs had three distinct mainframe lines:

For large values of three.

>  B[456]xxx  Large systems  (B5000 and descendents)

So many errors in so few characters. 

B4xxx were part of the B2500 line.

B5000, 5500 and 5700 were not compatible with the B6500.

B6xxx and B7xxx were the same line.

B8500 was also a large system.

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#3858

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>In <dM_pv.27291$nc6.10450@fx27.iad>, on 06/23/2014
>   at 06:57 PM, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:
>
>>Internally, Burroughs had three distinct mainframe lines:
>
>For large values of three.
>
>>  B[456]xxx  Large systems  (B5000 and descendents)
>
>So many errors in so few characters. 

off by one, i meant b[567].

>
>B4xxx were part of the B2500 line.

Having written a fair amount of the MCP for the medium systems,
I'm quite aware of this.

>
>B5000, 5500 and 5700 were not compatible with the B6500.

They were part of the same line.  I worked in the building where
they were developed .

>
>B6xxx and B7xxx were the same line.
>
>B8500 was also a large system.

It was a one-off (almost literally) and wasn't treated as a large system internally.


scott

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#3872

In <JfBqv.57886$ff5.11103@fx24.iad>, on 06/25/2014
   at 02:44 PM, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:

>They were part of the same line.

What do you mean by "same line"?

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#3883

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>In <JfBqv.57886$ff5.11103@fx24.iad>, on 06/25/2014
>   at 02:44 PM, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:
>
>>They were part of the same line.
>
>What do you mean by "same line"?
>

Within Burroughs, there were three organizations that dealt
with the mainframes.  Small systems (Santa Barbara/City of Industry),
Medium Systems (pasadena), Large systems (Mission Viejo/Tredyffrin).

Architecturally, the medium systems were BCD machines descended
generally from the Electrodata 205 via the Burrough B220/B300,
B2500, through the V560 (with B2500 through V560 binary compatible)
everything designed and built in Pasadena until the V400/V500 when
pasadena was closed and design moved to MV.  The B5000 and B5500
were also designed and built in pasadena before moving south.

Architecturally, the large systems were 48-bit machines descended
generally from the B5000, with various architectural additions
over time, but from the B6500-on, binary compatible.  The models
were designed alternately in either mission viejo or tredyffrin pa.

Architecturally, the small systems were unique microcoded machines
with WCS (B1700/B1900)

Then there were the CP9500, B700, B800 and other mini's and
specialized processors, but they weren't mainframes.

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#3888

In <krXqv.42063$bA1.1694@fx22.iad>, on 06/26/2014
   at 03:59 PM, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:

>Within Burroughs, there were three organizations that dealt with 
>the mainframes.  Small systems (Santa Barbara/City of Industry), 
>Medium Systems (pasadena), Large systems (Mission 
>Viejo/Tredyffrin).

I doubt that most people would identify "product line" with the plant
that designed the product rather than the architecture of the product.
Would you consider the IBM S/360 to be multiple product lines?

>Architecturally, the large systems were 48-bit machines descended
>generally from the B5000,

Except when they were 51-bit machines.

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#3809

On Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:59:03 -0400, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:

>In <lo5k5v$lfi$1@dont-email.me>, on 06/22/2014
>   at 03:56 AM, invalid@invalid.invalid (tomas) said:
>
>>I believe the model they are talking about is the ClearPath LIbra,
>>the distant  descendent of the Burroughs 5500 line.
>
>I might believe 6500; the B5000 line ended with the 5700.

The B6500 was in turn a descendant of the B5500, although I would say
that the current MCP system architecture is in fact closer to the
B6500 than the B6500 was to the B5500.

Louis

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#3852

In <vvbiq9df3f12toenbhnug6cv5jmeurvou9@4ax.com>, on 06/24/2014
   at 02:03 AM, Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> said:

>The B6500 was in turn a descendant of the B5500,

FSVO descendant that doesn't include the syllable size, the word size
or the instruction repertoire. Compare the operational characteristics
manuals of the two lines.

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#3859

Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>In <vvbiq9df3f12toenbhnug6cv5jmeurvou9@4ax.com>, on 06/24/2014
>   at 02:03 AM, Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> said:
>
>>The B6500 was in turn a descendant of the B5500,
>
>FSVO descendant that doesn't include the syllable size, the word size
>or the instruction repertoire. Compare the operational characteristics
>manuals of the two lines.
>

why do you argue with people who were there?

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#3873

In <4gBqv.57887$ff5.26285@fx24.iad>, on 06/25/2014
   at 02:45 PM, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) said:

>why do you argue with people who were there?

Because even Jove nods, and I've got the relevant documents at my
finger tips.

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#3880

Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>>In <vvbiq9df3f12toenbhnug6cv5jmeurvou9@4ax.com>, on 06/24/2014
>>   at 02:03 AM, Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> said:
>>
>>>The B6500 was in turn a descendant of the B5500,
>>
>>FSVO descendant that doesn't include the syllable size, the word size
>>or the instruction repertoire. Compare the operational characteristics
>>manuals of the two lines.
>>
>
> why do you argue with people who were there?

Because experience is not fact; only Wiki is.

/BAH

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#3887

In <PM0004FCBDB147FC71@aca3252b.ipt.aol.com>, on 06/26/2014
   at 01:49 PM, jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> said:

>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> writes:
>>>In <vvbiq9df3f12toenbhnug6cv5jmeurvou9@4ax.com>, on 06/24/2014
>>>   at 02:03 AM, Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> said:
>>>
>>>>The B6500 was in turn a descendant of the B5500,
>>>
>>>FSVO descendant that doesn't include the syllable size, the word size
>>>or the instruction repertoire. Compare the operational characteristics
>>>manuals of the two lines.
>>>
>>
>> why do you argue with people who were there?

>Because experience is not fact; only Wiki is.

Are you really that dumb? Those paper objects on my bookshelf are not
part of wiki.

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#3889

In article <PM0004FCBDB147FC71@aca3252b.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>Because experience is not fact; only Wiki is.

A point on terminology.

"Wiki" is a Hawaiian term that means "Quick" and was used in the name
"WikiWikiWeb" for a web site where users can create and edit pages,
where links between pages are extremely easy to createm and generally
where collaboration is encouraged. WikiWikiWeb was created and the
term was coined by Ward Cunningham.

There are many web sites that are Wikis; one example might be
RepRapWiki, which is the collaborative web site for the RepRap project
of rapid prototyping (mainly filament-deposition 3d printers and
such). Many other Wikis are around on intranets, in schools, etc.

"Wikipedia" is another Wiki - one particularly large and well-known
one, whose goal is to create and maintain and expand a collaboratively
created, edited, maintained encyclopedia, which can serve as a
starting point for finding and exploring information but with
citations and references to the actual source material which is
summarized in Wikipedia's articles.


So, "Wiki" is a general term for the type of web site, where users
collaborate and can create and edit pages freely; "Wikipedia" is a
specific one, which is often referenced because it has collected a lot
of useful information and in turn links to where that information came
from and can be further explored.


Please, if you mean "Wikipedia", say that. If all you say is "Wiki",
then there's really another question left hanging - "_which_ Wiki?"

>/BAH

// Christian

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#3892

On 2014-06-26 22:43:14 +0000, Christian Brunschen said:

> In article <PM0004FCBDB147FC71@aca3252b.ipt.aol.com>,
> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>> Because experience is not fact; only Wiki is.
> 
> A point on terminology.
> 
> "Wiki" is a Hawaiian term that means "Quick" and was used in the name
> "WikiWikiWeb" for a web site where users can create and edit pages,
> where links between pages are extremely easy to createm and generally
> where collaboration is encouraged. WikiWikiWeb was created and the
> term was coined by Ward Cunningham.
> 
> There are many web sites that are Wikis; one example might be
> RepRapWiki, which is the collaborative web site for the RepRap project
> of rapid prototyping (mainly filament-deposition 3d printers and
> such). Many other Wikis are around on intranets, in schools, etc.
> 
> "Wikipedia" is another Wiki - one particularly large and well-known
> one, whose goal is to create and maintain and expand a collaboratively
> created, edited, maintained encyclopedia, which can serve as a
> starting point for finding and exploring information but with
> citations and references to the actual source material which is
> summarized in Wikipedia's articles.
> 
> 
> So, "Wiki" is a general term for the type of web site, where users
> collaborate and can create and edit pages freely; "Wikipedia" is a
> specific one, which is often referenced because it has collected a lot
> of useful information and in turn links to where that information came
> from and can be further explored.
> 
> 
> Please, if you mean "Wikipedia", say that. If all you say is "Wiki",
> then there's really another question left hanging - "_which_ Wiki?"
> 
>> /BAH
> 
> // Christian

It's generally accepted that when a person refers to "the wiki" they 
are referring in fact to the Wikipedia.  That may be unfortunate 
depending on your particular bent, but it is what it is.

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#3893

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 22:43:14 +0000 (UTC), cb@bobby.df.lth.se
(Christian Brunschen) wrote:

>In article <PM0004FCBDB147FC71@aca3252b.ipt.aol.com>,
>jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Because experience is not fact; only Wiki is.
>
>A point on terminology.
>
>"Wiki" is a Hawaiian term that means "Quick" and was used in the name
>"WikiWikiWeb" for a web site where users can create and edit pages,
>where links between pages are extremely easy to createm and generally
>where collaboration is encouraged. WikiWikiWeb was created and the
>term was coined by Ward Cunningham.
>
>There are many web sites that are Wikis; one example might be
>RepRapWiki, which is the collaborative web site for the RepRap project
>of rapid prototyping (mainly filament-deposition 3d printers and
>such). Many other Wikis are around on intranets, in schools, etc.
>
>"Wikipedia" is another Wiki - one particularly large and well-known
>one, whose goal is to create and maintain and expand a collaboratively
>created, edited, maintained encyclopedia, which can serve as a
>starting point for finding and exploring information but with
>citations and references to the actual source material which is
>summarized in Wikipedia's articles.
>
>
>So, "Wiki" is a general term for the type of web site, where users
>collaborate and can create and edit pages freely; "Wikipedia" is a
>specific one, which is often referenced because it has collected a lot
>of useful information and in turn links to where that information came
>from and can be further explored.
>
>
>Please, if you mean "Wikipedia", say that. If all you say is "Wiki",
>then there's really another question left hanging - "_which_ Wiki?"
>
>>/BAH
>
>// Christian

Mahalo.  (I had to look that up.)

Louis

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#3913

In article <5laqq9h8q2rf4fa64tua9l6l2f9vq9n8bj@4ax.com>,
 Louis Krupp <lkrupp@nospam.pssw.com.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 22:43:14 +0000 (UTC), cb@bobby.df.lth.se
> (Christian Brunschen) wrote:
> 
> >In article <PM0004FCBDB147FC71@aca3252b.ipt.aol.com>,
> >jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
> >>Because experience is not fact; only Wiki is.
> >
> >A point on terminology.
> >
> >"Wiki" is a Hawaiian term that means "Quick" and was used in the name
> >"WikiWikiWeb" for a web site where users can create and edit pages,
> >where links between pages are extremely easy to createm and generally
> >where collaboration is encouraged. WikiWikiWeb was created and the
> >term was coined by Ward Cunningham.
> >
> >There are many web sites that are Wikis; one example might be
> >RepRapWiki, which is the collaborative web site for the RepRap project
> >of rapid prototyping (mainly filament-deposition 3d printers and
> >such). Many other Wikis are around on intranets, in schools, etc.
> >
> >"Wikipedia" is another Wiki - one particularly large and well-known
> >one, whose goal is to create and maintain and expand a collaboratively
> >created, edited, maintained encyclopedia, which can serve as a
> >starting point for finding and exploring information but with
> >citations and references to the actual source material which is
> >summarized in Wikipedia's articles.
> >
> >
> >So, "Wiki" is a general term for the type of web site, where users
> >collaborate and can create and edit pages freely; "Wikipedia" is a
> >specific one, which is often referenced because it has collected a lot
> >of useful information and in turn links to where that information came
> >from and can be further explored.
> >
> >
> >Please, if you mean "Wikipedia", say that. If all you say is "Wiki",
> >then there's really another question left hanging - "_which_ Wiki?"
> >
> >>/BAH
> >
> >// Christian
> 
> Mahalo.  (I had to look that up.)
> 
> Louis

And while wiki wiki means quickly in Hawaiian, in NYC terms it 
frequently needs to be translated as "slowly".

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Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greed. Me.

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