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  Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet "tdk" <forum.tdk@squte.com> - 2014-04-08 16:15 -0500
    Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-08 23:05 +0000
      Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet Randy Westlund <Vorzakir@invalid.invalid> - 2014-04-09 05:18 +0000
        Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet john <nospam@no.net> - 2014-04-09 14:18 -0800
          Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet Robert Hayes <jacklndn@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-10 01:36 -0700
            Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet polygonum <rmoudndgers@vrod.co.uk> - 2014-04-10 19:20 +0100
            Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet john <nospam@no.net> - 2014-04-10 13:27 -0800
              Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet Robert Hayes <jacklndn@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-11 09:56 -0700
      Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet Gordon Henderson <gordon+usenet@drogon.net> - 2014-04-09 09:15 +0000
        Re: Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-04-09 21:58 +0000

#2314 — Apps use mesh networking to bypass the internet

From the "or just shout" department: 

FireChat makes use of a feature Apple introduced in the latest version of its iOS 
mobile software, iOS7, called multipeer connectivity. This feature allows phones 
to connect to one another directly using Bluetooth or Wi-Fi as an alternative to 
the Internet. If you�re using FireChat, its �nearby� chat room lets you exchange 
messages with other users within 100 feet without sending data via your cellular 
provider. 

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/525921/the-latest-chat-app-for-iphone-needs- 
no-internet-connection/ 
-- 
regards
~tdk
View this thread at http://squte.com/node/5761

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#2315

On 2014-04-08, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
> From the "or just shout" department: 
>
> FireChat makes use of a feature Apple introduced in the latest version
> of its iOS mobile software, iOS7, called multipeer connectivity. This
> feature allows phones to connect to one another directly using
> Bluetooth or Wi-Fi as an alternative to the Internet. If you�re
> using FireChat, its �nearby� chat room lets you exchange
> messages with other users within 100 feet without sending data via
> your cellular provider. 


This tech ought to have huge possibilities for the user - imagine apps
that connect you to people you're standing near on the bus, for example.
But before we get any of that goodness I'm sure some dirtbag will use it
for some kind of security hack - now they can get your info just by
standing next to you on the bus, etc.

Still, I'm curious to see where this P2P stuff leads.

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#2318

On 2014-04-08, RS Wood wrote:
> On 2014-04-08, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
> This tech ought to have huge possibilities for the user - imagine apps
> that connect you to people you're standing near on the bus, for example.
> But before we get any of that goodness I'm sure some dirtbag will use it
> for some kind of security hack - now they can get your info just by
> standing next to you on the bus, etc.
>
> Still, I'm curious to see where this P2P stuff leads.

Yeah, this has a lot of potential.  My first thought is a
guess-which-person-in-the-room-is-a-zombie game.  But what I'd
really like to see is a true mesh that would allow people to pass
text along to other users on the network, across entire cities or
farther.

I remember when no one could get a phone call through after the
Boston bombing, and even SMS was not reliable.  I wonder whether
communication would have been better if everyone's phone went into
mesh mode, passing text along to only nearby devices with low-power
signals, perhaps with an 802.15 standard.

It could act more like bitmessage or usenet, with each phone acting
as a node and caching messages for an hour, just enough to make sure
they propagate through the network.  Having everyone broadcasting at
full power trying to reach a tower clearly didn't work.

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#2338

Randy Westlund wrote:

> On 2014-04-08, RS Wood wrote:
>> On 2014-04-08, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
>> This tech ought to have huge possibilities for the user - imagine apps
>> that connect you to people you're standing near on the bus, for example.
>> But before we get any of that goodness I'm sure some dirtbag will use it
>> for some kind of security hack - now they can get your info just by
>> standing next to you on the bus, etc.
>>
>> Still, I'm curious to see where this P2P stuff leads.
> 
> Yeah, this has a lot of potential.  My first thought is a
> guess-which-person-in-the-room-is-a-zombie game.  But what I'd
> really like to see is a true mesh that would allow people to pass
> text along to other users on the network, across entire cities or
> farther.
> 
> I remember when no one could get a phone call through after the
> Boston bombing, and even SMS was not reliable.  I wonder whether
> communication would have been better if everyone's phone went into
> mesh mode, passing text along to only nearby devices with low-power
> signals, perhaps with an 802.15 standard.
> 
> It could act more like bitmessage or usenet, with each phone acting
> as a node and caching messages for an hour, just enough to make sure
> they propagate through the network.  Having everyone broadcasting at
> full power trying to reach a tower clearly didn't work.


Yeah! I had a similar idea before, only it is to give access to the 
internet. It would be cool if everyone's wifi router had an open/public 
channel. It could be throttled, very low bandwidth say 56kbit, and 
segregated from the main wifi traffic. Could be used for simple messaging 
applications... like finding my dog :)

You could make a simple wifi dog collar/locator that would work all over 
town. To do that today you either have to add a cellular or sat. modem with 
its subscription costs, or have a high power transmitter designed and 
licensed.

Ham radio APRS would work well for this too, but not every dog owner is a 
licensed Ham operator.

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#2339

On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 14:18 -0800, john wrote: 
> Randy Westlund wrote:
> 
> > On 2014-04-08, RS Wood wrote:
> >> On 2014-04-08, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
> >> This tech ought to have huge possibilities for the user - imagine apps
> >> that connect you to people you're standing near on the bus, for example.
> >> But before we get any of that goodness I'm sure some dirtbag will use it
> >> for some kind of security hack - now they can get your info just by
> >> standing next to you on the bus, etc.
> >>
> >> Still, I'm curious to see where this P2P stuff leads.
> > 
> > Yeah, this has a lot of potential.  My first thought is a
> > guess-which-person-in-the-room-is-a-zombie game.  But what I'd
> > really like to see is a true mesh that would allow people to pass
> > text along to other users on the network, across entire cities or
> > farther.
> > 
> > I remember when no one could get a phone call through after the
> > Boston bombing, and even SMS was not reliable.  I wonder whether
> > communication would have been better if everyone's phone went into
> > mesh mode, passing text along to only nearby devices with low-power
> > signals, perhaps with an 802.15 standard.
> > 
> > It could act more like bitmessage or usenet, with each phone acting
> > as a node and caching messages for an hour, just enough to make sure
> > they propagate through the network.  Having everyone broadcasting at
> > full power trying to reach a tower clearly didn't work.
> 
> 
> Yeah! I had a similar idea before, only it is to give access to the 
> internet. It would be cool if everyone's wifi router had an open/public 
> channel. It could be throttled, very low bandwidth say 56kbit, and 
> segregated from the main wifi traffic. Could be used for simple messaging 
> applications... like finding my dog :)
> 
> You could make a simple wifi dog collar/locator that would work all over 
> town. To do that today you either have to add a cellular or sat. modem with 
> its subscription costs, or have a high power transmitter designed and 
> licensed.
> 
> Ham radio APRS would work well for this too, but not every dog owner is a 
> licensed Ham operator.
> 
If the transmitter is on the dogs' collar... I think technically the DOG
has to be a licensed Ham operator. And let's face it: A dog like that
isn't going to get lost. Unless he really wants to.

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#2353

On 10/04/2014 09:36, Robert Hayes wrote:
> If the transmitter is on the dogs' collar... I think technically the DOG
> has to be a licensed Ham operator. And let's face it: A dog like that
> isn't going to get lost. Unless he really wants to.

Surely only a pig...

-- 
Rod

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#2356

Robert Hayes wrote:

> On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 14:18 -0800, john wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah! I had a similar idea before, only it is to give access to the
>> internet. It would be cool if everyone's wifi router had an open/public
>> channel. It could be throttled, very low bandwidth say 56kbit, and
>> segregated from the main wifi traffic. Could be used for simple messaging
>> applications... like finding my dog :)
>> 
>> You could make a simple wifi dog collar/locator that would work all over
>> town. To do that today you either have to add a cellular or sat. modem
>> with its subscription costs, or have a high power transmitter designed
>> and licensed.
>> 
>> Ham radio APRS would work well for this too, but not every dog owner is a
>> licensed Ham operator.
>> 
> If the transmitter is on the dogs' collar... I think technically the DOG
> has to be a licensed Ham operator. And let's face it: A dog like that
> isn't going to get lost. Unless he really wants to.

:D

Actually the APRS service can be used for GPS positioning, some telemetry, 
and short messages. The transmitter must be owned and operated by a licensed 
Ham, and it must identify using his/her callsign. But you don't have to be 
physically present. People frequently use them on vehicles, and high 
altitude baloonsats.

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#2361

On Thu, 2014-04-10 at 13:27 -0800, john wrote: 
> Robert Hayes wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2014-04-09 at 14:18 -0800, john wrote:
> >> 
> >> Yeah! I had a similar idea before, only it is to give access to the
> >> internet. It would be cool if everyone's wifi router had an open/public
> >> channel. It could be throttled, very low bandwidth say 56kbit, and
> >> segregated from the main wifi traffic. Could be used for simple messaging
> >> applications... like finding my dog :)
> >> 
> >> You could make a simple wifi dog collar/locator that would work all over
> >> town. To do that today you either have to add a cellular or sat. modem
> >> with its subscription costs, or have a high power transmitter designed
> >> and licensed.
> >> 
> >> Ham radio APRS would work well for this too, but not every dog owner is a
> >> licensed Ham operator.
> >> 
> > If the transmitter is on the dogs' collar... I think technically the DOG
> > has to be a licensed Ham operator. And let's face it: A dog like that
> > isn't going to get lost. Unless he really wants to.
> 
> :D
> 
> Actually the APRS service can be used for GPS positioning, some telemetry, 
> and short messages. The transmitter must be owned and operated by a licensed 
> Ham, and it must identify using his/her callsign. But you don't have to be 
> physically present. People frequently use them on vehicles, and high 
> altitude baloonsats.
> 
On the APRS, nobody knows you're a dog. :)

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#2320

In article <li1vbs$nle$1@solani.org>, RS Wood  <randy@therandymon.com> wrote:
>On 2014-04-08, tdk <forum.tdk@squte.com> wrote:
>> From the "or just shout" department: 
>>
>> FireChat makes use of a feature Apple introduced in the latest version
>> of its iOS mobile software, iOS7, called multipeer connectivity. This
>> feature allows phones to connect to one another directly using
>> Bluetooth or Wi-Fi as an alternative to the Internet. If you’re
>> using FireChat, its “nearby” chat room lets you exchange
>> messages with other users within 100 feet without sending data via
>> your cellular provider. 
>
>
>This tech ought to have huge possibilities for the user - imagine apps
>that connect you to people you're standing near on the bus, for example.
>But before we get any of that goodness I'm sure some dirtbag will use it
>for some kind of security hack - now they can get your info just by
>standing next to you on the bus, etc.
>
>Still, I'm curious to see where this P2P stuff leads.

Might re-invent uucpnet or fidonet if we're not careful...

Gordon

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#2336

.
>>
>>Still, I'm curious to see where this P2P stuff leads.
> 
> Might re-invent uucpnet or fidonet if we're not careful...
> 
> Gordon
> 


It would bring new relevance to the word sneaker net, anyway. 
 Imagine trying to get packets across town ...

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